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  • osan's Avatar
    Today, 01:55 PM
    Such a contradiction arises ONLY as the result of stone-ignorance of the basics. Firstly, the source of rights is less relevant than one might think, save for the outlandishly ignorant assertion that they evolve from the "state", or some equivalently nonsensical notion. Whether "God" endowed us with rights is immaterial to the fact that our rights inhere from the nature of our relationships to one another. The solitary man is as God in the most practical terms. He can do as he pleases, any time he fancies to do so, and never worry about repercussions beyond things akin to setting himself on fire and the sort. Add one other individual to the mix and everything changes. It is one thing to strike one's own finger with a stone, but quite another to do so to one's fellow, particularly without his knowledge and consent. THAT is where the basis of our rights arises as such, where the notion was begotten because the solitary Adam has no need for such ideas because of his status as effective God of all he sees and experiences. The solitary Adam, by whatever virtue, had born into him the desire to continue his life, thereby giving rise to a claim to that life, which is rightly his own. The appearance of Eve almost certainly made no change in that claim; nay, it may have indeed bolstered it greatly, especially after the "wedding night". :) Wanting so much to do a LOT more of that would almost certainly further cement and invigorate Adam's claim to life. Eve, likely finding herself in the same position, certainly after the passage of that pleasant soreness, would also be even more inclined to claim that which was born into her: life itself.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    Today, 01:35 PM
    By that standard, it seems that Justice would become a commodity. That could be equally tyrannical. You're talking about a wild west scenario here. That's dangerous, too. But you're talking about an indivisible whole, too. Which, as was mentioned, must either be accepted or rejected in order to receive its benefits. So, then, what would you surmise to be the underlying principle of this indivisible whole? You can't really say non-agression since you've mentioned that men should be free to slay in order to establish prosperity.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    Today, 01:19 PM
    Is just a moral conundrum is all. Except that it creates conflicting virtue in terms of Man-To-Man relations as they relate to Government philosophy. That's an important term, by the way. Virtue. It could be said that the most profound, and likely the most generally unrecognized, threat to Individual liberty comes as a result of the slow erosion of virtue.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    Today, 01:16 PM
    Can you make a case that pure freedom won't undermine the safety of Individual Liberty and God-given, unalienable rights against violation? Actually, scratch that. I see you've mentioned something with regard to it in post #34. I'll read over that.
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  • osan's Avatar
    Today, 01:13 PM
    In this one sentence you have somewhat obliquely demonstrated one of the invalidating qualities of any "state" or "government" (the two being effectively interchangeable terms): One should not have to understand what at times may become the subtle and arcane differences between one form of tyranny and another (all "governments" or "states" are tyrannical, the only question striking at the degree and precise nature). The fact that so many people are so easily confused and ultimately bamboozled by these differences; taken in by the seamlessly smooth lies and deceit of the peddlers; that should tell one all they need to know about the fundamental nature of "the state". All that the people need to know, value, and want is "freedom": what it is, what it is not, and the vanishingly small restrictions placed upon the individual based upon recognition of the equal rights of others. Educate well the people in these two considerations such that each holds true mastery of them and no carpet-bagger would be able to dissuade any man from his rights. Leave men free to slay and otherwise punish those who trespass upon them and the world would settle into a far better groove, so to speak, for all would eventually take well to heart the counsel of danger, as well as that of prosperity. It is the classic "stick and carrot" game and it is as close to perfect as human things become. But it demands its price, and far too many people are unwilling to pay, preferring the illusion of getting that which they crave at no cost to themselves. This corruption is the basis for nearly all our current troubles and we would do well to excise this cancer from among ourselves.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    Today, 12:54 PM
    The contradiction occurs as a result of differing views on where rights actually come from. As a result of the contradiction of the primary fundamental principle of Natural Law, we're left with a Man-over-God versus God-over-Man scenario in terms of Man-To-Man relations as they relate to Government philosophy. There is much to say about this.
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  • osan's Avatar
    Today, 12:49 PM
    Hell froogin' no. Where would anyone get such a foolish idea? "States" are not, in and of themselves, extant. They have no reality of their own apart from that of the minds of the individuals that hold this concept. Being materially insubstantial in even the least measure, a non-existent "state" can have no rights, per s. Therefore, all this talk of "states' rights" is pure nonsense, referring to a thing or condition that has never existed and never will, barring a fundamental redefinition of "state", which in itself would bear no change upon the meanings of the discussions we have had in this world prior to such a redefinition. Practically speaking, "state" is naught more than a script in which people assume roles and do their acts in accord with the written word. This is by its very nature arbitrary and therefore wholly invalid because there is nothing to prevent the script from being re/written to violate and destroy some at the hands of others. It is a formula most dangerous and fraught with jittering insanity while daring to don the mantle of the moral high-ground and girded with ostensive "good intentions". We have watched for at least 8,000 years just how well good intentions work out, which is to say they never do in the final analysis. The optimal solution is pure freedom, which perforce negates the existence of the biggest lie ever told: the "state".
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  • luctor-et-emergo's Avatar
    Today, 12:44 PM
    I made some typical Dutch food. Steamed vegetables, mash with gravy and some bacon wrapped ground beef type thingies fried in butter. Soak everything in gravy, nice crispy bacon, pretty plain but tasty vegetables. I had a mix of broccoli, pepper and red onion. Something that's quick to prepare but a healthy meal.
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  • osan's Avatar
    Today, 12:36 PM
    Good point. I attended USC and lived in LA county. I attended UC Davis and lived in Yolo county. Lived in San Mateo, as well. CA was a whole hell of a lot nicer in those days (mid-70s) than now, and in some ways it was pretty bad even then... though not nearly as bad as it is now. At Davis I was allowed my rifles at the dorms, so long as I kept them at the security office, unloaded. Try that today and see how long you will have your loved ones visiting you at Folsom. California is a dump. Very pretty, mind you, but a dump in any event. Very sad because I liked living there in those days, but could never get comfortable because even then I saw where things were heading. I left in 1980 and never looked back.
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    Today, 12:31 PM
    He's "loathsome" but that thing is perfectly normal. Dude if you're gonna be a girl...work on the hair.
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  • osan's Avatar
    Today, 12:29 PM
    Meh... CA has been this way for 40 years at least. People have been escaping for at least 25 and those places to where they have escaped have been almost universally ruined, the "natives" of such places coming to hate Californians to the point of wanting an open hunting season declared on them. Most of the people who emigrate from California settle in and then demand their new host state becomes just like California. IOW, most of the people in California are assholes. Dumber'n a post assholes, at that.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    Today, 12:28 PM
    Yeah, I know. I was just saying that Spooner doesn't work for me. So I opted to share why he didn't. Which, unfortunately, leaves you and I in disagreement with the primary fundamental Principle of Individual Liberty given that a contradiction of the primary fundamental Principle of Natural Law, itself, equally exists in our particular points. Is what it is. Fukit. You've been around here for a long time anyway so I accept that your position is your position. I just disagree with it is all. Anyway. I keep saying I need to get off here and get work done but I keep tinkering around here. Later...
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    Today, 11:56 AM
    Excuse my French but what a fucking moron!
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    Today, 11:53 AM
    True. Which is why I suggested that specific attention be given to the underlined there in post #24. The unsaid often contracticts what is said. And strategically so. So, we'd do well to acknowledge the contradictions when they immediately occur. Especially given that Natural Law is the primary fundamental principle of Individual Liberty and proper human relations. Contradictions in that particular regard stimulate deception in the highest order. Contradictions to that extent are also counterintuitive to the fundamental principle of, not only Natural Law, but, subsequently Individual Liberty and proper human relations. It's how we end up with private cartels, too. :)
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  • LibertyEagle's Avatar
    Today, 11:27 AM
    If the "brown people" entered the country illegally, you betcha. Do you hate white people? If so, why? Is it code for American citizens and the forebears who founded, fought for, settled, made all kinds of inventions and built the country? If so, why the hatred? Please explain. You do get that there is a differentiation between American citizens and the rest of the world, right? Do you really believe that American citizens can afford the welfare system that our government has already put in place for our own citizens, much less everyone else you seem to want to include. So, your argument seems to be that the solution is to provide welfare to the entire world.
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    Today, 11:25 AM
    How many aides does it take to lift a WI rep off the floor? Hint: more Tootsie Pop licks. :D
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  • LibertyEagle's Avatar
    Today, 11:15 AM
    Actually, he was trying to get you to answer a question that you apparently are dodging.
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  • twomp's Avatar
    Today, 11:06 AM
    I doubt it will be the most watched but it will definitely be the most talked about after. After all, "anti-establishment" Trump gets the most MSM coverage of any candidate.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    Today, 11:04 AM
    Okay. We can do that. To be clear, though, I'm not looking to debate you. You've been a good friend. And we've talked in private before about things. But I do enjoy these kinds of open discussions when they can be had in a civil manner. I think they're important to have. So, yeah. Later. I need to get work done. And I can't do it tinkering around on here. Heh.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    Today, 10:35 AM
    Let me ask you this, TER. What's the difference between being called out by God and assembling in/of God? Reason I ask is because I understand ecclesiology to be a study by men concerning the church. I was very specific to say that the Christian Church should be defined as an assembly in/of God. Now, this is just you and I talking here. Respectfully, then, informative links aren't necessary for the discussion I'd like to have with you. If you'd prefer to think on it, it's okay. We can discuss it later. Maybe this evening or tonight. I need to get off of here anyway.
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  • bunklocoempire's Avatar
    Today, 10:05 AM
    We really like Him, because He first really liked us isn't the deal. :toady: I used to gyp myself too, still do sometimes:o, you must be human.:p No wonder your religion posts never(?) have a theme of peace. Elusive, is it? :D Thanks for answering the question. + rep Thanks for asking the question. + rep
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    Today, 09:45 AM
    Yeah. That's the fundamental Principle that guides Individual Liberty itself, and, subsequently, proper human relations. It is unfortunate that it's absent from our Mission Statement. And likely a factor in our shortcomings. Agreed. Which is why I took issue with Ronin's science of Man and God piece, there. The source specifically omitted the spiritual in a way that provided a benchmark to define proper human relations out of scope and removed from the true fundamental principle of Natural Law. Nope. Me either. It's why it's so important to openly reject cleverly disguised words that stimulate that very thing. Failure to reject such dialogue stimulates a Man-over-God philosophy that strategically redefines Natural Law for the purpose of enslaving the ignorant to self-rightous, power seeking, men.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    Today, 08:45 AM
    I disagree with the way that's worded. It's deceptive. And misleading. A very worldly premise for Natural Law that stimulates a Man-over-God Principle. And it's strategically counterintuitive to the fundamental philosophy that provides for the historic benchmark for our Republic. The first sentence really is a predictor of the direction the author takes. Seems like he tends to focus on a science of Man-to-Man relations. Ronin, your source strategically omits the spiritual from that. And the spiritual is supreme. So, then, his benchmark for what surmises Natural Law itself seems deceptive. The author omits the spiritual from the start. Here is what many (including the founders) conclude to be a more precise and relevant explanation of Natural Law and where Man's true moral duty exists for the purpose of guiding proper human relations. See underlined specifically...
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  • GunnyFreedom's Avatar
    Today, 08:03 AM
    because how many times you sue the government is more important than actual departures in policy.
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  • Weston White's Avatar
    Today, 07:34 AM
    Police officers are agents of the state, why are they even donning state flags on their uniforms? If anything they should be wearing either their own state's flag or their local city flag.
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  • donnay's Avatar
    Today, 06:30 AM
    250+ Examples of Natural Remedies Beating Pharmaceuticals Sayer Ji You hear a lot about 'natural healing' these days, but did you know that a sizable body of scientific literature actually supports the idea that natural medicine is safer and more effective than conventional, drug-based medicine? One of the greatest if not the greatest triumph of biomedical science today is its role in validating ancient healing modalities that long before the advent of science, and even recorded history itself, were passed down "orally" from generation to generation in the vast body of folkloric medical knowledge that still forms the basis for the majority of the world's primary health care system. These so-called "natural" or "alternative" modalities, which our species owes its present day survivorship to after eons of dependency on them, are increasingly gaining the attention of men and women in white lab coats intent on unlocking the mysteries of how they work, and in many cases, why they work better than patented, synthetic, chemical-based medications.
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  • donnay's Avatar
    Today, 06:21 AM
    Antibiotics can stop the growth of new brain cells and impair memory Lori Alton Its long been known that antibiotics cause problems in the gut, disrupting the population of healthy microorganisms, increasing vulnerability to a variety of infectious diseases. But evidence is now emerging that antibiotics, with the ability to kill gut bacteria, also have the ability to stop the growth of new brain cells in the hippocampus the area of the brain associated with memory. A study of laboratory mice published recently in Cell Reports reveals that a type of white blood cell communicates between the brain, the immune system, and the gut. But antibiotics were found to greatly diminish the presence of these particular white blood cells likely causing the reduction in generation of new brain cells and worsened memory observed in the mice. How memory, immune system and gut health are all connected
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  • LibertyEagle's Avatar
    Today, 04:11 AM
    Which cannot happen without the support of Congress. Refusing to agree to the TPP and TPA are things a President can do; in addition to renegotiating or getting out of other trade deals entirely.
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  • LibertyEagle's Avatar
    Today, 04:05 AM
    True. That hasn't been lost on me, either.
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