• HVACTech's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:18 PM
    yah, I feel your pain man, not only is there a "federation" involved... there is also a "Prime directive" involved. curses! I HATE it when that happens! :) balm for the soul. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyMNCqhRNOM
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    Yesterday, 10:18 PM
    why have you not shared your special knowledge of this word with Wikipedia? is it because you consider a "unitary state" to always be superior to a "federal state"? I simply cannot make this subject more simplistic for you AF. sorry.. :o (and yes, Federal express also exists.) :)
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    04-29-2016, 08:09 PM
    @.oyarde, Federations are weak to start with . you will have to take that up with AF and others. I do not consider a "Federation" to be the ultimate Pandora's box sir. :) (AF is DEATHLY afraid of federations sir) :p
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  • HVACTech's Avatar
    04-29-2016, 07:49 PM
    would you be so kind sir. as to enlighten us, as to WTF you are talking about? :confused: the FFs were LONG DEAD before the 14th. ( did you borrow suzes secret decoder ring?)
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    04-29-2016, 06:16 PM
    especially for you erowe1! :p "what is a Federation?" can it be defined? or is it as esoteric as the wind? (and before you ask, yes. I can explain why the wind blows. and also why it rains!) :eek:
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    04-29-2016, 06:05 PM
    oh, thanks for the heads up! :cool: what happens if I put a dot in front of it? @.anti federalist. testing.. did that fix it? appears so... thanks again.
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    04-29-2016, 05:29 PM
    or are they always Government's OF Governments? "The governmental or constitutional structure found in a federation is known as federalism. It can be considered the opposite of another system, the unitary state. A federation (also known as a federal state) is a political entity characterized by a union of partially self-governing states or regions under a central (federal) government. As originally written, the United States Constitution was created to limit the federal government from exerting power over the states by enumerating only specific powers. It was further limited by the addition of the Tenth Amendment contained in the Bill of Rights and the Eleventh Amendment. However, later amendments, particularly the Fourteenth Amendment, gave the federal government considerable authority over states." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation
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  • Bryan's Avatar
    04-29-2016, 03:03 PM
    There are a lot of people hot on this issue.. the 2016 race... on both sides. I don't see him as bashing all liberty supporters, just fighting on his point of view. While the site does not support Trump, and for well established reasons, I also see it as a failure to have the site be an echo chamber of bashing on the lowest common denomination. It doesn't help anyone intellectually. We need our positions to be solid against criticism. Without this, if you develop your talking points from an echo chamber you'll get destroyed once you leave the walls of the echo chamber. So discussion on the issues is valid, even if that means defending wrong information for someone we don't support. Also consider, different people have different MOs for why they support a candidate, for most here there is some strategy. Some will agree with that and some not.
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    04-29-2016, 02:47 PM
    Well, I certainly disagree with that, which part of this is irrelevant? http://www.ronpaulforums.com/content.php?1957 (Link to Mission Statement) Thanks.
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  • Bryan's Avatar
    04-29-2016, 02:38 PM
    Bossobass has been a strong liberty fighter for a long time. We obviously disagree on the Trump issue but we can still be amicable on matters. So long as people stick with the guidelines they are welcome here. The guidelines include not promoting non-supportive candidates but we can still rationally breakdown issues and the news cycle for everyone to get a better focus on current events. (Not just addressing erowe1). Thanks.
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    04-29-2016, 02:31 PM
    Let's please keep this civil. I think Bossobass first post here was sarcasm to spin some common talking points. Things work best by sticking to a logical discussions of the issues but at least, stick with the guidelines, see my sig. Thanks.
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  • Bryan's Avatar
    04-29-2016, 01:09 AM
    Pointing out reality isn't a downer. All IMO... for some people, you can't complete. Most others aren't going to turn on a dime, it can nominally take around six months or more for someone to go from getting a seed of liberty and turning it into a new world outlook. Within that six months there is a lot of person reflection, withdraw from past ties, leaning new things and then starting to articulate new views. One key is to recognize when you are just planning seeds that you need to accept that you are doing just that, don't expect the quick change. Otherwise, there are a lot of do's and don'ts to this; another major topic. These things are doable for most people, and it's the people that are important, the vessel comes after that. While working towards it, I understand the scope of the problem, so it's in mind. The key however, is that it has to be planned for, and it's why we need better plans. The Liberty Blueprint is just the first layer of plans.
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  • HVACTech's Avatar
    04-29-2016, 12:00 AM
    the concept of anarcho-capitalism, is too easy to understand. to think that they were unaware of it sir. these men were not pikers. I think of it this way... what would happen, if anarchists decided to work together, to ward off the Statists? how would we go about it.. and what would it look like? the peoples proclivity to create "states" is well known. and needs to be accounted for sir.
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    04-28-2016, 11:27 PM
    Anti Federalist. A federation of states, created a government, and then it was corrupted? or was it corrupt from the very start, by it's creators... so they could become kings? :confused:
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  • Bryan's Avatar
    04-28-2016, 09:53 PM
    There are a few options, one is the courts. File a legal challenge. This would be pretty expensive so you'd want some institutional backing. I found this page, could be of interest to look at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_case_law_in_the_United_States Another option is legislative, basically get legislation drafted up, gain support, and push it through to become law. You'd want a good common sense bill so legislators will look bad to not support it. If they don't you work to expose them. Worst case, you get people to run against them. There are some established techniques to make this happen by applying pain to legislators. Obviously none of this is easy or cheap. I'm not a lawyer but -- state legislators can pass whatever law they want; more or less; the laws however can be challenged in a court which can strike them down.
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    04-28-2016, 09:07 PM
    "We've all but forgotten that most everyone opposed it at the time. It only squeaked through once the Bill of Rights was tacked on" :rolleyes: uh, no. it was ratified in 1789. "tacked on" is right. that happened in LATE 1791. that it has been corrupted in OBVIOUS. Ronin Truth The "states" did no such thing. Read Article VII of the CONstitution. :rolleyes: will that give me confirmation of the ratification dates? no, it will not. what "such thing" are you talking about?
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    04-28-2016, 07:25 PM
    That's not the issue at all, you said "as opposed to giving aid and comfort to Hillary Clinton" as if this is a binary option, it is not and calling you out for framing this as a binary option does not equate to being threatened. It is understood that there may be "dozen data points where they are the same or similar to Ron/Rand on issues" and it could be argued that the GOP nominee may end up being better than the Democrat nominee but that doesn't mean that they have earned support, much less should enjoy having ones good name put behind the candidate. Some may think it's the best things, other will degree. I can very much respect people who have high standards of who they will put their name behind.
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  • Bryan's Avatar
    04-28-2016, 10:57 AM
    I was just describing a similar system that was put together using similar concepts. Our straw poll system was pretty basic but it was just as fair execpt it was designed to allow people to buy votes, which was the point of the fund raiser. Otherwise the blockchain system presented lacks security as they do not describe a closed loop system to manage ballot stuffing. One could be added. The list of voters who received a key needs to be published, as does the keys that were not used. In this way people can validate that their unused vote was not cast for someone else. You can also flush out names of non voters. Without this the people who control the keys can add votes, thus weaking others. Ballot stuffing. As described you can validate your vote but have no way to know if it was weighed properly.
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    04-28-2016, 10:13 AM
    While as a site we do not support Trump, we understand some of our members do and we are open to dialog on specific issues that focus on the issues. Starting a thread that insults other members, degrading a supported candidate framed around support for a candidate we are not in favor of, from a news person that isn't seen to have strong credibility will only serve to annoy members and cause problems. I hope it is understandable why this is being closed. Just be a little more careful in the future. We're not trying to kill discussion. Thanks.
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  • Bryan's Avatar
    04-28-2016, 09:50 AM
    The block chain voting is a good topic, but going too much down a different rabbit hole vs the original topic, so splitting off. A few issues here. . You might need a better way to resolve candidates with the same name and similar looks if anyone can submit ballot access. Spammers would have a field day. There is some value to a private voting booth, it can prwvent your employer or others from pressuring your vote. This block chain could allow for votes to be solid, and massed in large numbers.
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    04-28-2016, 09:27 AM
    ??? Is he addressing people that are totally opposed to Trump (per title) or the GOP establishment (per article)? If this is to the GOPe, I doubt they'd care to read. How does he know the demographics of other writers? What's the point in bring this up? Is he not making an argument of might over right? Not that either of these two factions are right... Does this statement not implies that 35 year olds will be out of the picture, dead or have lost interest in money and power by the age of 45? Any one see that happening? If your plan is to wait for people 35 years old to move out of the way I think you'll be waiting for at least 35 years, if not longer. Sounds like a bad plan and wishful thinking that the controls of power will be all but handed to you in 10 years.
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    04-27-2016, 09:26 PM
    about the different "versions" of windows" ? what "problem" do YOU have with windows sir? :confused: WHY do you NOT like fresh air? is it bad for you?
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    04-27-2016, 09:13 PM
    yah, that is what I was thinking too. after all, he IS from CENLA. how do I know that I can trust him? to form a union with him would be a VERY bad idea sir... what would you think about a league? could we do that?
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    04-27-2016, 08:35 PM
    this REALLY happened today... should I remain friends with this guy? or would that lead to BAD things? :confused:
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    04-27-2016, 08:21 PM
    "Every version" of what? pizza? :confused: "source"? LOL!
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    04-27-2016, 08:01 PM
    :rolleyes: don't like that eh? :p what are you talking about again? :)
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    04-27-2016, 07:58 PM
    does this mean that you do not support a Monarchy sir? :confused: and despise a Anti Federalist a King/Dictator at the helm. :toady:
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  • Bryan's Avatar
    04-27-2016, 07:51 PM
    Recent political events have brought up questions as to how the political parties determine their party nominee for president. Ron Paul supporters ran into a lot of issues in 2008 and again in 2012. Here again, in 2016, more people are crying “foul”. All of this begs the question, what are the issues with the process and what specifically should be changed? Here are the issues that I see being brought up: • Does party leadership have too strong of an influence over the outcome of the delegate process, in part by manipulating rules and leveraging their pre-existing position? • Caucus systems aren’t desired by some people; they just want a primary vote to decide everything. You shouldn’t have to be a master at parliamentary procedures and have the party rule book memorized to have your voice heard. Is it reasonable to reform this overall structure? • Is it fair to have super delegates as part of the process? So what would the perfect liberty movement party nomination system look like? (Not that we’ll agree).
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    04-27-2016, 07:51 PM
    which "version" are we talking about sir? think of it this way... "windows 95" was the very first "version" of "windows". can we agree on this sir? and then "modifiers" were employed.. get it? as a fellow engineer, (and you have a degree) erowe1 the kind the US Constitution created is the government kind is your query past tense, or pretense? what does... erowe1 the government kind, mean sir? if it means "and authorizes them to govern the people."
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  • Bryan's Avatar
    04-27-2016, 07:07 PM
    Let's please keep thing civil, there is little value in attacking others, it's best to stick to the topic and debate the issues. Thanks.
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    04-27-2016, 06:50 PM
    @HVACTech I have very bad news for you anti-federalist... there are different types of "federations" worse yet, they are all formed with very different intents and purposes. (sorta like HVAC/R) do you have a specific federation in mind anti-federalist? or do we still need to continue discussing what they are? :toady:
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    04-27-2016, 06:19 PM
    I had the good fortune today, of requiring the professional services of a fellow RPF's member. :) this gave me a welcome opportunity to discuss how we can best defend our "turf" against the "statists" :cool: if we work together, to promote what we both believe in.. and we recruit others to join with us... how many Anarchists does it take to form a "state"? and what would it look like? (yes. I paid him in Silver)
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  • Bryan's Avatar
    04-27-2016, 06:02 PM
    Thanks, great to hear from you.... so what will it take to remove that "almost"? :) Agreed, we do need liberty minded liberals. In a certain sense, we learn some to the right, but we also lean in other ways too. :) I'm not aware of that ever being a site policy, it all depends on the situation and what someone brings to the table.
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    04-27-2016, 05:53 PM
    One can argue that liberty has past us as nation, but the real question is, has it past your heart? If it has not, the only question is how you will fight. If you think it has past us as a nation and it is beyond repair, spread liberty outside of politics, don't bother with elections and such. Such an effort will always been necessary, and when done right, will always bear fruit. Otherwise, per my OP, I do agree that it's good to plan for hard time that may come to pass. Let's hope they don't, but there can still be room to do more.
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    04-27-2016, 05:47 PM
    :) As I've said, much of the knowledgebase material is just setting up the framework, it's not the actual content (and a bit dry). More content is coming. Otherwise, yes, when osan and I get after it, it's not going to be easy reading. :) To your other points, you're right that we need to talk a language that others understand, and some people are really good at that. For others, they fit in better with the deep philosophy material. It's good to be able to do both.
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    04-27-2016, 05:34 PM
    Full Definition of confederation 1 : an act of confederating : a state of being confederated : alliance 2 : league http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/confederation
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