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    Today, 10:08 AM
    Because it's false. Orthodoxy teaches salvation by grace through faith (as the Gospels and Epistles do). Wherever you got your schooling failed you. Salvation Is Indeed By Grace At a recent, post-liturgical coffee hour, a catechumen raised a question that has troubled many people who were brought up in a Protestant environment and at some point found themselves drawn to Orthodoxy. “If we are saved by grace, and not by works,” he asked, “why does the Orthodox Church put so much stress on ascetic practice? Why should it be necessary, or even useful, to fast as we do, to make countless prostrations during Great Lent, to stand for hours through long services, and even to give so much money to the Church?” (He was preparing to enter a parish in the Southern Diocese, where tithing is usually considered an important part of personal spiritual discipline.) Then he added, “Aren’t all these things works? And what happens if I don’t do them? Am I cast out of the Kingdom and basically condemned to hell?” The discussion went on for some time, until the coffee ran out and most people went home. He stayed, though, and continued his questioning with the priest, who later admitted he had the feeling that on some level this catechumen was getting the better of him. Finally the man pulled out a pocket Bible and opened to Colossians 3. Selecting a few verses to make his point, he read: “Why do you submit to regulations, ‘Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch’ (referring to things that all perish as they are used), according to human precepts and doctrines? These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting rigor of devotion and self-abasement and severity to the body, but they are of no value in checking the indulgences of the flesh.” “Why, then,” he asked, “do the Orthodox submit to such regulations: ‘Do not eat (this or that),’ or ‘Do this, that, and the other thing,’ in order to be a ‘good Christian’? Isn’t it enough to ‘love God and my neighbor as myself’?” It was a good question. While there’s a perfectly reasonable and satisfactory answer to his objection, it seems worthwhile for all of us to think about these things, in an effort to understand just why ascetic practice and spiritual discipline in general are so important in Christian life. Our rebellion against God and his will touches every aspect of our existence. “Sin” or “sinfulness” is not just an accumulation of specific acts of disobedience or willfulness that in some way violate the commandments. It is more than the sum total of our individual sins. Those sins are symptomatic of something broader and deeper that virtually defines us, that characterizes our every act and attitude. Sin is a state of being that permeates all aspects of our life, conscious and unconscious, physical as well as spiritual. In fact, the distinction we usually make between what is physical and what is spiritual is artificial and misleading. The human person can only be understood holistically. Our bodily gestures affect our psycho-spiritual disposition, just as our spiritual state can affect our body. Nothing attests to this fact more eloquently than the Orthodox service of Holy Unction, with its emphasis on the forgiveness of sins as integral to the quest for healing.
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    Today, 09:40 AM
    No matter how many times you tell this lie about Orthodoxy it won't be true. :) ~hugs~
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    Today, 05:46 AM
    Anyone who exposes the corruption and hypocrisy of Donald Trump on these forums should not be banned for that. However, if they are trying to discredit Dr. Paul's or Sen. Paul's messages about liberty, free markets, limited government, etc., then I say that earns them negative reputation every single time.
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:57 PM
    It wouldn't. Not sure how SF even got into that. The presumption/doctrine that "Election" is a real thing renders obedience (and all other "works") irrelevant.
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:57 PM
    Of course not. But the thing is, when a state gets intolerable, you just move to another state. When the CONstitution's cartelized power decides to fuck you over, there's nowhere to go(unless you're one of those lucky enough to have the means to move overseas to a tax haven).
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:27 PM
    Obama: Clinton would have won in a landslide if only young people voted So if the stupidest, least experienced segment of society had voted, Hillary would have won.
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:26 PM
    The solution is random audits.
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:57 PM
    And it's fiat.
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    Yesterday, 01:46 PM
    That's not a "failure" (preventing the Fedcoats from stealing from people is a success), but you are otherwise correct.
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:53 AM
    Well, after enough experience with folks, one makes certain associations. Check out his post history. :eek:
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    Yesterday, 11:51 AM
    Fantabulous. :) Sorry I haven't had time to update it properly in recent weeks. It's a very busy season nao. :( ~hugs~
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:33 AM
    I did not ask. We testified that we had certainly never observed such irresponsible behavior.
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:35 AM
    Ban public housing is my first choice. Second - if you can afford cigarettes you shouldn't live in pubic housing anyway. But AF is right. See where this is going indeed. The storefront we rent has apartments upstairs. One of them had two single Moms sharing a place. They got into a spat and ended up calling Family Services on each other. The Mom that didn't move out is a smoker. When they came to interview us about her habits, they specifically asked if she smoked inside with the child there. I asked if that was illegal now, and the 300 lb apple shaped 25 year old government worker literally narrowed her eyes....creepy as hell. The thing is - this was a trap. Her former roommate called them because she would go outside to smoke when the kid was asleep. That's apparently a sin against the state now. Even though I have lived in houses where I was farther away from my sleeping kids being inside than she was when she went outside.
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    Yesterday, 12:06 AM
    Going by my experiences with danke on teh forums, he'd want something like this: or this:
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  • LibertyEagle's Avatar
    12-01-2016, 11:58 PM
    Oops, sorry, those are filled to the brim with illegal aliens.
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    12-01-2016, 08:37 PM
    WTF? I thought he was liked around here. I know he left years ago and didn't indicate otherwise. Not sure why you're going Full Retard here, cocksucker...
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    12-01-2016, 07:48 PM
    Our buddy nate teaches piano from his home. Hope he finds a way around this if it ever becomes srs bizness.
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    12-01-2016, 06:34 PM
    :D w00t! It won't be the same without you, though... :( :'(
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    12-01-2016, 02:26 PM
    Not orthodox, but am lovings :D
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    12-01-2016, 02:23 PM
    Trying to make Missus AF jealous? ;) :D
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    12-01-2016, 12:45 PM
    Damn you're the men, Danke and NS. I have been looking for that for 2 days - Amazon included - and couldn't find it. See why? I was looking for male / male and it's female/female. Damned transgendered electronics modern silliness. Can't tell boys from girls.
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    12-01-2016, 12:43 PM
    Maybe! Hmmm! I started to say I don't know which is pos and which is neg, but it appears that's on the adapter :) !
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    12-01-2016, 11:48 AM
    Edited - problem solved! Below is a picture of a power supply. The sleazy Chinese seller blurs out the specs but it's a 12v 2000 ma adapter. I have that. I just need the extension cord pictured. It's a male / male. I can't find one. Anybody? It goes to a La-Z-boy Power recliner, with heat massage.
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    12-01-2016, 10:21 AM
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by scrosnoe on 05-05-2012 at 06:21 PM
Come join us as we rally for liberty with Tom Woods, Jordan Page, and Jason Rink! Let’s celebrate our growth and success in 2012, and get pumped about taking this movement to the Oklahoma GOP State Convention!


The rally will kick off at 7pm at the Remington Park Casino. Enter at the casino, and go straight back to the left of the escalators to the banquet

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by scrosnoe on 01-18-2012 at 11:47 PM
Oklahoma: Ron Paul OK Announces Honorary State Co-Chairs – Rep Charles Key and Former State Sen Randy Brogdon

[Editorial comment: Great news for the movement! As one of two Grassroots Coordinator in Oklahoma for Ron Paul in 2008, I am encouraging other counties to follow the lead of Ron Paul OK, a group based in the OKC Area. We are principled, limited government, constitutional Republicans -- Republicans Restoring the

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News on 6: Tulsa Ron Paul HQ Opening Kicks Off a Full Calendar of Events

by scrosnoe on 01-09-2012 at 04:52 AM

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As the Republican field sets its sights on New Hampshire, one of the candidates is looking forward to the Oklahoma primary.

It’s not until March 6th, but Ron Paul is already planting roots in Tulsa.

He is the first Republican candidate to open campaign offices in the Sooner State. One is

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A Pumpkin, a Speech and a Song -- Carve a Message and Convey a Story

by scrosnoe on 10-31-2011 at 11:13 PM
Current Conditions or Just a Bad Dream?
Could it all be a bad dream or a nightmare?
Is it my imagination or have we lost our minds?
It is surreal.
It is just not believable.
A grand absurdity.
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Based on preposterous notions and on ideas whose time should never have come.
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R3s via Naomi Wolf: How I was arrested at Occupy Wall Street

by scrosnoe on 10-24-2011 at 04:32 AM
Naomi Wolf: How I was arrested at Occupy Wall Street

Arresting a middle-aged writer in an evening gown for peaceable conduct is a far cry from when America was a free republic. Read Naomi Wolf's report of her arrest at Occupy Wall Street about the 'closing civil society' where we live.

Report from Naomi Wolf (October 19, 2011):

Last night I was arrested in my home town, outside an event to which I had been invited, for standing

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