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  • osan's Avatar
    Today, 06:42 PM
    Perhaps, but the degree of it is beyond the pale in ways never before imagined. What makes me laugh is how the "left" call the rest "intolerant". Their stupidity is so overwhelming and toxic that the fact the rest of us have not murdered them in all manner of unspeakable and freakishly horrid ways speaks in bold defiance to their dull-witted accusation.
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  • osan's Avatar
    Today, 06:10 PM
    I was thinking notable "personalities", but now that I think of it, this is the sort of political bullshittery that someone yanks from their butts and all of a sudden it's a "movement". This is not so very much unlike terms such as "trigger" and so forth. Some douche wagon misuses it in this way or that and the surrounding landscape absorbs and regurgitates without the least thought given as to propriety, stupidity, or anything else carrying the risk of further intellectual atrophy.
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  • osan's Avatar
    Today, 05:01 PM
    And once again you answer with no evidence other than your apparent opinion. I don't know enough about "alt-right" to take anyone's word as exemplary. It is as if people are pulling new words from their bootholes and the whole world takes them as somehow authoritative. I suspect this sort of thing is primarily the product of noise campaigns designed to get people worked up in one direction of another. The signal to noise ratio is so low in human communications anymore, I can barely believe anyone is able to order a fookin' pie from Pizza Hut (EEEeeeeewwww...) these days. Humanity is an unmitigated, ambulatory disaster.
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  • osan's Avatar
    Today, 12:26 PM
    Examples? I have yet to see this. Thus far I am seeing what appears as a textbook ID-based campaign; against alt-right because they are alt-right. I am still not clear on who/what they are, but so far the words against them have been nothing more than buck-naked assertions. If anyone can show me some convincing evidence that "alt-right" is what is being claimed, I will accept it. Thus far, I keep asking and keep getting what seem to be deflections.
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  • osan's Avatar
    Today, 11:55 AM
    Or perhaps just federally protected? Just a thought. Do you have evidence of this? I have not noticed it as yet. They seem to be calling for the rights of men. Granted, this is not a thing I am expert on so perhaps I have just missed the essentials.
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  • osan's Avatar
    Today, 11:14 AM
    What part of "tends" do you not grok? Nationalism has not fared that well through history, but I did not say there was anything wrong with it, in sé. In fact, I went to some effort to say otherwise.
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  • osan's Avatar
    Today, 11:08 AM
    How do you justify this claim? And this? What I have seen of those ID'ing as "Alt-Right", they seem to be interested in at least some aspects of freedom. Perhaps you go too far.
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  • osan's Avatar
    Today, 07:52 AM
    It is a simple notion based on the observable fact that more powerful entities prevail over less, generally speaking. That which constitutes "more powerful" is not a standardized list. Circumstance plays a role, sometimes significant. Size has nothing perforce to do with it, either. The lousy little island of Great Britain and the even smaller splotch known as the Netherlands are examples of more powerful entities that took names across the globe. The key lies largely in organization, both the amount and the nature of which determines much of the relative power between organisms. Nations are, to all practical effect, organisms. They are larger than individuals, usually far more so. They tend to be more organized; certainly more broadly so such that other notions such as that of the division of labor come into prominence as well. That is where the real differentiation between smaller and larger groups begins to make itself felt. Larger groups with a division of labor optimized for centralized control holds the potential for far greater power than those of more broadly distributed and/or smaller organisms. But there is a catch: there must exist the drive "at the top" to acquire, cultivate, maintain, and exercise this control. Similarly, there must be the will by the broad population to submit. But when both conditions are met in optimal/optimum form, the result is precisely small splotches of land moving outward in conquest of areas and populations hundreds or even thousands of times their own physical size. Once again we can readily see that human weakness and other failings are a key element in enabling such organisms to enjoy such success. But it's not all bad, in a sense. Hearkening back to my notion of the least common denominator: once one nation arises and organizes along the lines here mentioned, the rest of humanity is presented with the choice to follow suit or be consumed. That is the way it happened on this world, at any rate. Those people who plunged themselves into the muck and filth of Empire survived. Those who did not were consumed, at times unto extinction.
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    Today, 07:19 AM
    "John McCain’s the guy who’s advocated for war everywhere,” “He would bankrupt the nation. We’re very lucky John McCain’s not in charge, because I think we’d be in perpetual war,” “I would say John McCain’s been wrong on just about everything over the last four decades. He advocated for the Iraq War, which I think destabilized the Middle East,” “If you look at the map, there’s probably at least six different countries where John McCain has advocated for us having boots on the ground,”
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  • AZJoe's Avatar
    Today, 07:08 AM
    "Our secret police agencies are busy at work planting “intelligence” among the presstitute media ... To openly take on a newly elected president is an act of extraordinary audacity that implies enormous confidence, or else desperation. ... “The deep state, although there’s no precise or scientific definition, generally refers to the agencies in Washington that are permanent power factions. They stay and exercise power even as presidents who are elected come and go. They typically exercise their power in secret, in the dark, and so they’re barely subject to democratic accountability if they’re subject to it at all. It’s agencies like the CIA, the NSA, and the other intelligence agencies, that are essentially designed to disseminate disinformation and deceit and propaganda, and have a long history of doing not only that but also have a long history of the world’s worst war crimes, atrocities and death squads. This is who not just people like Bill Kristol, but lots of Democrats are placing their faith in, are trying to empower, are cheering for as they exert power separate and apart from—in fact, in opposition to—the political officials to whom they’re supposed to be subordinate. ... https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/02/paul-craig-roberts/stakes-trump/
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  • AZJoe's Avatar
    Today, 06:20 AM
    I didn't get that take from the article. The article said he was horrible because of his actual policy mentality: "he has a blind vision that the United States is an Empire that must deal with "strategic interests" around the world, in many cases from a military angle. There is absolutely no indication that McMaster has adopted the view of George Washington that the United States should stay out of foreign entanglements. None. ... he holds the view that U.S. troops on the ground are the only way to solve many conflicts ... "
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  • AZJoe's Avatar
    Today, 06:09 AM
    Good quips: "That isn’t what this resistance is now doing. What they’re doing instead is trying to take maybe the only faction worse than Donald Trump, which is the deep state, like the CIA with its history of atrocities, and say they ought to almost engage in like a soft coup where they take the elected President and prevent him from enacting his policy." ... "It's a way to demonize Trump while defending the police state apparatus. ... it prevents well-meaning people from taking Trump to task on issues that really matter. ... This way you can be “anti-Trump,” while at the same time being pro-Wall Street fraud, corporatism, war, unconstitutional spying, and the national security state. This is your “resistance” as it stands today. ...We’ve never seen to the extent that those in the intelligence community are using intelligence apparatus and tools to be used politically against an administration official,” ... The intelligence community’s sprawling bureaucracy is organizing to topple the Trump presidency ... This is a very dangerous game to play. You open this box and there’s no closing it up again. ... How are so many of our fellow citizens being so easily herded ... The minds of our children have been stunted in a very damaging way by the people in charge of “higher education.” ... The microaggression program teaches students the exact opposite of ancient wisdom. Microaggression training is—by definition—instruction in how to detect ever smaller specks in your neighbor’s eye. Microaggression training tells students that “life itself is exactly what you think it is—you have a direct pipeline to reality, and the person who offended you does not, so go with your feelings. ...
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  • osan's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:42 PM
    Firstly, one ought not put words into the mouths of others. Secondly, two wrongs don't make a right, even if three rights make a left. Nationalism tends to fail because people take it too far, universally at the behest of "leaders". To marginalize "leadership" as you do here by not-that-subtle innuendo is to ignore reality. It is precisely because the average man is a Weakman that leaders have almost universal power of those they ostensibly serve. They are the masters and the rest are in servitude. That is the practical reality, all words, titles, and other purports to the contrary notwithstanding.
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  • osan's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:32 PM
    And I find this endlessly cute. Cool, meaningless lyrics that have "it".
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  • osan's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:20 PM
    Some elements are OK-ish, some not so OK, and some scary. Note how "freedom" is mentioned nowhere. FAIL. This strikes me as more of the same old shit. I would also like to know where these defining elements came from in the sense of authority to be there. This looks like one man's opinion on the matter, which is fine so far as that goes. I would, however, take the description with a boulder of salt. Points 7, 8, and 9 are particularly failsome.
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  • osan's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:03 PM
    Of course, and do we have it? It seems not. For ages men have written of man's seduction by evil forces such as the "devil". I think men are the devil who tempt others with pretty lies. They are devils to allow themselves to be seduced by the words they want to hear. CORRUPTED man is the Weakman, an advocate of force against his fellows to compel him to orthodoxy. Corrupted orthodoxy. This is the core of Empire. Lies, corruption, force, all leading to death, misery, poverty, servitude, and true inequality artlessly disguised as its opposite.
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  • osan's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:40 PM
    Does that term have a reasonably rigorous definition? I really don't even know what it means. The innuendo seems to bias towards liberty, but I'm not in possession of a real definition. Could be a good start, but how many on the so-called "alt-right" understand freedom properly? If the alt-right ends up as nothing better than advocates of a strong state, however pared back, then what have we bought... unless we take those gains as mere steps toward a more completely thought out goal. And where is the plan? Waging the battle in ad hoc, seat of the pants fashion is not the way to wage this war, and be sure that it is indeed warfare.
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  • osan's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:31 PM
    Ron did a lot, for which I am appreciative, but in the end we are in the same place. Same enough, anyway. If 30 million Americans saw the light tomorrow and understood freedom and wanted it enough, it would still be insufficient, methinks. The progressives are now a majority, it seems, and they are impossibly strident in their demands, views, and intolerance. Imagine, if you will, that a "miracle" happened and in six weeks we were transported into freedom. No more welfare state - being ramped down in 12 months to zero. No more drug war or laws. NFA/GCA/etc. all get the deep-six, bye bye labor laws, minwage, and so forth down the long line to the roots. What would be the result? War. Just look at what the lefties have been doing and threatening because we elected a president they don't want. Imagine what they would do were all the free stuff they think should be available to the world all of a sudden disappear. They would go apey in a big way and violence would become the method of settling the issue. I strongly suspect there is no way to avoid violence save to cave in to the left. I have no desire to cave.
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  • osan's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:07 PM
    Sure we do. If 100 million Americans stood tall with the proper perspective, what do you think Theye could do that would not require open warfare against such a population? We are BORN with everything we need. Information is all around us for the taking. My essays are there, as well as the writings of people far smarter than myself. We have the ability to CHOOSE the right attitude. We have the ability to ACT pursuant to our beliefs. There is nothing stopping us, other than ourselves. We CHOOSE to go along to get along. We CHOOSE the wrong attitude. We CHOOSE falsehoods over truth, not because we are incapable of recognizing them for what they are, but because they do not accord with what we want, which usually means "free stuff". It's hard to see only because most libertarians appear to be that in name only, much like a goldfish calling itself a cocker spaniel. Because they are marching in reinforcement of the tyranny they do passionately crave. At the end of the day, these people recognize that which will decrease their accountability and responsibility for their opinions, feelings, words, and actions, as well as bring them more fully to an environment where they can disappear in the vast torrents of human activity, taking for "free" ever greater amounts without having to work for it.
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  • osan's Avatar
    Yesterday, 03:14 PM
    Either. Both. Completely agree, and it is not happening, despite there being tons of really smart and determined people seemingly working toward the stated ends.
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  • osan's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:52 PM
    But the lowest-level goals should be precisely the same if "freedom" is in fact that in which we are interested. And when the goal is world communism? Is it all good, or are those goals unworthy of our respect? Just to be clear, I am not talking about people who seek to enter into communes with others of their accord, but those whose goal is to apply force to make YOU adopt a lifestyle in which you have no interest.
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    Yesterday, 02:25 PM
    I think it is too early to tell where the Trump administration is taking us. I cannot imagine it will be any place that much better, but I have no basis as yet for deciding either way. I've read parts of it. All well and good, but the world is not toeing that line, so to speak. It's not taking that advice. It's not going in that direction. Those who walk the different path are facing ever greater consequences. I carried a gun illegally in NYC for 20 years. Today, I would be hard pressed to be able to get away with it. More to the point is the fact that the act requires "getting away". Sure, I can be free any time I want. I can also be shot, sent to prison, and so forth. Those are costs to freedom that no man holds the authority to exact upon another, and yet here we are. How do we escape this as individuals, short of parking an Atlas booster up our asses and shooting ourselves to Mars? Harry's solutions are non-solutions for the individual as such. They only work when 100 million of us take them into practice. Even that volume might not suffice. Choose to stop paying taxes and see what results. Carry that gun openly in Manhattan and see how long you last. Do those lines of coke, smoke that joint, hire that hooker openly, and so on down a depressing and nauseating list and see how well you fare in open public. But it's all well and goody to butt-fuck to your heart's content.
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    Yesterday, 01:39 PM
    Not grokking the question. I do not. But so far he is doing marginally better than Clinton would have done, I am pretty certain. No idea how it will all shake out, but Trump is what we have and unless you are ready to start shooting, you're stuck with him. Therefore, why not try to make this disaster of a "system" work in a better direction? Again, what is the alternative? Give up? I can do that too, because I am rapidly running out of fucks to give. That aside, what's the path forward? That is the question I have posed and nobody has yet stepped up. I am all for full freedom by the sunset today. I am perfectly alright with 100 million Americans dead in 3 months because they are wholly unprepared for actual freedom. I could care less about them. So if anyone has the way onto that path, please let me know and I will jump aboard. Barring that, we are faced with the choice to press on or give up. If we give up, then assume thy pecker in thy hand, beer in the other, and park the tuchus in the Lay-Z-Boy, say "fuck it", and enjoy the show. Otherwise, I reiterate: what is the path forward? Furthermore, why is Trump's approach wrong? Not saying it isn't, but I don't know that it is, either, the way so many seem so positive about it.
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  • osan's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:57 AM
    You are presuming to know the man's intent. You could be right... or not. What if he believes it? What if he is correct?
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    Yesterday, 09:02 AM
    A realist. Forgive me, I was addressing all those who have been going on about how everything is wrong with Trump, etc. I would like to know how they see liberty as coming about. If, as with you and myself, they do not see liberty as even a remote likelihood any time in the coming 10000 years, then I can but wonder what they are doing here. I come for the free beer.
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    Yesterday, 08:16 AM
    How is the new land of free America to be won? What are the specifics and on what basis do we think they are going to happen? Who is going to make the moves necessary and in what time frame may we expect to have freedom miraculously dumped into all our laps. What about preparedness for actual freedom? How will the average men of America deal with a sudden absence of chains? So far I have read here mostly negative about Trump and his cabinet choices, perhaps justly so, but pretty well never with any real substance behind the complaints and never (to my eyes) a practical alternative. So once again how, exactly, do we all see this as coming about?
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    Yesterday, 07:44 AM
    At first blush, many would take your questions as idiotic. To wit: However, methinks there is something there worthy of eyes. Meteoric rises such as those of Rowling should always be viewed with some suspicion in environments such as that in which we currently marinate.
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    Yesterday, 07:43 AM
    Why do you ask?
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    Yesterday, 07:33 AM
    If you have no "great" questions, then your understanding is lacking. This is no attempt at insult, but just an observation. It's OK, so long as you keep on learning. I would certain get after them about taxes. What is the position on the net effect of taxation and whether it is theft/robbery. All my economics professors (Drexel) essentially called taxation a disaster for any economy. There's a lot more than just this, of course, but I'd ask that first. Oh, and about money. That's a sure give-away. Do they understand money v. currency.
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    Yesterday, 07:26 AM
    Who are "we"? What are they "winning"? None of that is clear, no matter who "we" are. Not at this point.
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