• lilymc's Avatar
    05-25-2017, 08:23 PM
    No, you're still not getting it. It was just an example of something that is incongruent. It's not about judging anyone, I could've used a completely different example that had nothing to do with food. But if you refuse to even acknowledge that, never mind.
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    05-25-2017, 08:18 PM
    Sigh. You're bringing up all sorts of other things, things are important but this post deserves a reply that would take much more time than I have right now. I really need to eat dinner… I was traveling today (planes trains and automobiles) and all I had was a small snack.
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    05-25-2017, 08:13 PM
    What are you trying to do, stir the pot here? :p Yep, case in point. That's one of the things I was talking about in my previous post. Then again, some people think that she just wants attention and wants to create controversy to get subscribers and become famous.
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    05-25-2017, 07:51 PM
    lol. That is one of the reasons I usually don't call myself a vegan. Even though I don't eat meat and dairy, many vegans hold beliefs I disagree with… beliefs that are unbiblical… For that reason, as well as some other reasons, I usually just say 'plant-based.'
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    05-25-2017, 07:47 PM
    I think you misunderstood. I wasn't saying that you would have to tell anyone anything. I was saying that if someone could not in good conscience slaughter a pig or cow for food, they are not acting in line with their conscience by eating meat, wouldn't you agree? Well, people have different beliefs, but from a biblical perspective, God did not create us to eat each other. Genesis 1 makes it clear that in the very beginning, God created all living beings, humans and animals, to be vegetarian. We've talked about this before on other threads. Do you honestly believe that a good God would create animals who can suffer and feel pain, who have a strong desire to live and enjoy life.... for the purpose of being caged and tortured and eaten? No, that's not God's original design. At least not according to the Bible, and imo to common sense and intuition.
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    05-25-2017, 07:09 PM
    I've cared for animals all my life. I'm talking about pets, of course, but like I said, I don't think that one has to have experience working on a farm, to legitimately be a voice for the animals. As for what you said… I think that many animal rights activists do have experience with animals because typically they are people who love animals. BTW, there are a number of cattle ranchers who had a change of heart, turned their ranch into animal sanctuaries and went vegan. :) Here are a couple vids...
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    05-25-2017, 05:24 PM
    I eat oatmeal almost every morning too. The kind you cook on the stove. Usually with fresh fruit or whatever toppings I have on hand. My breakfast the other day. (before I added almond milk) Yes, Huzzah! :D
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    05-25-2017, 05:01 PM
    What's the but? Why are you asking, unless you're implying that one needs to work on a farm to have a valid opinion on this matter?
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    05-25-2017, 10:25 AM
    That not what I was said or meant, you seemed to be doubting that Jesus said that, that's what I was asking you about.
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    05-24-2017, 11:29 PM
    I agree. Do you believe animals were created by God?
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    05-24-2017, 09:05 PM
    How very sad. Are you actually doubting the most important truth, that we should love God and love others? There are some things that we as Christians should know intuitively. We don't have to worry about Bible versions or the bible being changed or agendas of "church leaders" to discern certain basic, obvious truths.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    05-24-2017, 08:55 PM
    True. I remember hearing similar stuff when I was in college (unfortunately) and that was a long time ago. So it's probably a lot worse now.
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    05-24-2017, 08:51 PM
    Yeah, I know that many believe the cultural Marxist propaganda zealously. That's why it's sad to me… So many are taking the bait.
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    05-24-2017, 04:46 PM
    The reason I use the word "true" is because we were talking about the government labeling something "property." That is either a true statement, or it is not. But I'm glad that you agree that the law is simply what is legal, not what is true, right, or acceptable.
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    05-24-2017, 04:39 PM
    I don't think it's silly at all, we're really just discussing whether a man-made law means something is actually true. This isn't that difficult. But if you don't want to discuss it then that's totally fine.
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    05-24-2017, 04:32 PM
    This sounds like more divide and conquer crap to me. Phrases like "cultural appropriation" or "cisgender".... Who comes up with these idiotic, divisive phrases? Probably those who want us all to be fighting each other so we take our attention off of the true enemy.
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    05-24-2017, 04:22 PM
    That was what the law said, but my question was, was that really true… apart from the law? I don't believe that you have to be party to something to have a belief one way or the other. Let me try asking this in a different way. If our government decided to round up and enslave all libertarians, and call them "property"....and you happened to be one of the people rounded up and enslaved... Would you agree that you are truly "property" apart from what the law said? In other words, that you were no different than an inanimate object and anything at all could be done to you, and it would be moral and acceptable, simply because they claimed that you are "property"?
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    05-24-2017, 03:25 PM
    Occam's Banana
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    05-24-2017, 03:22 PM
    Hi! That's not the article I had read before… But he does speak about Romans 13 a lot in several different places. I also saw a video yesterday of a talk he did on that. I could post it here, but it's very long… So instead I'll try to post an article later. I really shouldn't be posting here right now, I've got a ton of things I'm supposed be doing today. :)
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    05-24-2017, 03:16 PM
    Amen! That's pretty much exactly what I was going to say to him. I like to keep things simple.
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    05-24-2017, 03:14 PM
    You can continue to pretend that an elephant, or a pig or a dog is the same as an inanimate object… but regardless of what the law says, we all know that's not true. The law also said that black slaves were "property." You guys didn't answer this question earlier, so I'll ask again. Were those involuntary slaves truly property, apart from what the law said? IMO this sounds like "might makes right." And I think we all know what happens when humans have that mentality. I don't want to judge or making anyone feel bad, I do feel it's important to ask this question... If we don't want to be treated that way, why do we do the same to those we have power over?
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    05-23-2017, 06:34 PM
    I think that Romans 13 is misunderstood and misapplied by many. Chuck Baldwin did an article on this. I'll see if I can find it. But I'll probably do this later because I need to start cooking dinner soon.
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    05-23-2017, 06:24 PM
    Well, I agree with NC, but I don't usually phrase it the way he does… Because as you said, the word "lawful" can easily be misunderstood unless one is specific. I'm going to post a quote by MLK Jr, from his letters from a Birmingham jail. One may well ask, “How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?” The answer is found in the fact that there are two types of laws: there are just laws, and there are unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that “An unjust law is no law at all.” Now, what is the difference between the two? How does one determine when a law is just or unjust? A just law is a man-made code that squares with the moral law, or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas, an unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal and natural law.
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    05-23-2017, 06:15 PM
    I agree with you and AF that "might makes right" is happening. But just because something is happening doesn't mean that it is the true way. As NC put it, there's a difference between what is legal and what is lawful.
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    05-23-2017, 06:11 PM
    An animal is not a car. An animal is not a TV set. An animal is a living being, and the ones we've been talking about have sentience, emotions, and a strong will to live. I want for us to get somewhere here, but it's difficult when you refuse to answer certain questions about your personal view. I hope you don't get mad at me, but I'll try again. Do you personally believe it is immoral to abuse or torture an animal? Yes or no? You're right. But I assumed that everyone here understands there's a difference between what is legal and what is true, or 'lawful' as you put it. :)
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    05-23-2017, 06:01 PM
    No, I meant should it, or does it truly… apart from what is currently happening.
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    05-23-2017, 05:53 PM
    Actually, they do. Maybe not according to man-made laws, but according to natural law, they do. Proving that is another matter, but I think most people intuitively know that animals should not be abused, tortured, or killed for unnecessary reasons.
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    05-23-2017, 05:23 PM
    If that's the case, then we should throw out all laws on murder, stealing, assault, kidnapping, etc., etc. In fact, if that's the case, might as well throw out all laws, altogether. Because pretty much all laws are based on some sort of "right and wrong." Like I said before, in a world where no true morality exists, it'll ultimately come down to might makes right. Does anyone here truly believe that might makes right?
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    05-23-2017, 05:14 PM
    I agree with most of what you said here. But, in reply to your second sentence… I wouldn't put it that way. There are many people who are trying to live according to God's law. Of course they often miss the mark, but overall they've surrendered to a higher law that they did not "write," so to speak. But I definitely agree with your last paragraph. This is a messed up world, and it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better, iyam.
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    05-23-2017, 04:33 PM
    By "truly" I meant objectively/universally. Provable is another matter, imo. Does that make sense?
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