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    Yesterday, 07:06 PM
    Well, she openly admitted that she set him up. Still, though, the guy should have known better.
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    Yesterday, 07:02 PM
    If I was the maid, the whole house would be cleaned. Like yesterday. Sorry, boys. Business is business.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:52 PM
    The more I think about the pure comfort level of that of some of the trolls we have here these days, and the more that I see them just continue doing it with no fear of being checked, the more I wonder if there is a reason that they're being allowed to run amok. There has to be a reason. We wouldn't go for this kind of thing even a year ago. There must be reason for the sudden change in tolerance for such blatantly reckless behavior. Usually, I'll go check a troll's friends list to see if it's the same old troll, since the same old troll usually keeps the same friends both here and there, but this self-defined Canadian High School student seems to know a little too much for a self-defined Canadian High School student. Dear Lamp is a little braver than he oughtta be. I thought he was talking about playing video games. Admittedly he wasn't.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:26 AM
    Talk about the good times...
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:22 AM
    That's right. I forgot about them. I got that infographic from a National Geographic piece, I think. So, yeah. Servants. Good thinking. Now that I think about it, my ancestor, the first of my namesake to come here, came over on The Charles in 1621 and landed in Virginia where he became part of what would eventully be the Virginia settlement colony. He was actually a servant who ended up becoming a land owner after the Man who paid his way in acres sold him land. And we've basically been there ever since, having grown up in Washington Co, Va, myself. Anyway. I'm rambling. Sorry. But it seems like feudalism has existed in other ways and branched out beyond that direct graphic. Hm. I haven't really studied feudalism as an application in the time line of history as much as I'd like to have. I know what it is, but not really how it trickled down and faded during the exploration years toward early pre-America.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    09-24-2017, 06:56 PM
    The King: Leader of the Feudal System Barons: Executors of the Feudal System Knights: Knights were given land by a Baron in return for military service when demanded by the King. They also had to protect the Baron and his family, as well as the Manor, from attack. The Knights kept as much of the land as they wished for their own personal use and distributed the rest to villeins (serfs). Although not as rich as the Barons, Knights were quite wealthy. Villeins: Villeins, sometimes known as serfs, were given land by Knights. They had to provide the Knight with free labour, food and service whenever it was demanded. Villeins had no rights. They were not allowed to leave the Manor and had to ask their Lord’s permission before they could marry. Villeins were poor.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    09-24-2017, 06:40 PM
    Nope. This passed Thursday night. Or is it past? I dunno. Last week.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    09-24-2017, 06:13 PM
    You're one happy-go-lucky, dude, HB. lol. Anyway. Bye.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    09-24-2017, 06:09 PM
    Well. Doesn't look like people are going to the games these days. I call it a win for society. Maybe people will pay start to pay attention to the name of their secretary of state and what he's doing instead of their running back.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    09-24-2017, 05:48 PM
    How do either of those entities protect the rights of The One? You can't win, HB. It's a losing game, brother. Now leave me alone dammit. All of yuns. If you want to do anarchy, then, go do it. lol. If it worked so well, why ya around here bugging us?
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    09-24-2017, 05:28 PM
    Well, economic security and economic prosperity are two, quite different, applications. They are more than mere words. Much like Life is more than merely existing. And much like the pursuit of happiness is much more than an ideal. It's an ever-changing aspiration. It's a constantly expanding vision of self-fulfillment. That vision comes from self-realization and from self-development, morally and intellectually. And in every regard. When I say economic security, I'm talking about the fact that any society will ultimately turn into a State in some form. In any society there will be a hierarchy. This means rules. This means coercion. And this means that someone has to enforce it. Then again, what if someone cant work anymore? What if someone is disabled? Who is going to check your shipping containers from imports outside of your society in order to make sure your material economy isn't blown up? And I still never got arounf d to the free rider problem. What happens if you own the dam and some people get the overflow? Now all of a sudden he sees that he doesn't have to pay like the other guy. What if someone consumes more than he should? What decides what is fair and what isnt? Another thing is that human nature dictates that if a man can get away with paying as little as possible, or nothing at all, then, by gosh he'll try. Those are just remedial situations and one could go much deeper. I just don't really feel like it, O. I'm serious, now. I'm just really tired of this thread.
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    09-24-2017, 09:50 AM
    just eat good healthy vegetables.. that K will be the best of all
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    09-24-2017, 08:19 AM
    Good Morning, O. Sorry.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    09-24-2017, 08:16 AM
    Okay. You didn't really explain the differing modes of anarchy but I'll let you slide since it's a copypasta. Now. Add capitalism to the equation. Add economic security to the equation. Both are anti-capitalist. Yet both require economic security. Economic security demands servitude. Servitude is achieved by force of written rule or gun. It's just a given. Capitalism is organization. Anarchists (at least true to their principles anarchists) reject capitalism in whole (organization) because they recognize that some capitalist transactions are accomplished by force. To steal a quote from a good book on the topic, "It is a truism that government's power needs only to exist to be feared to be dominant, over the fear-ridden, without ever needing to be exercised aggressively."
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    09-24-2017, 08:05 AM
    Hm. I didn't even know they transcribed Ron's videos. But I don't need to read it. Let's start with the question that was asked of Ron by the facebook subscriber in that transcript. First question on anarchy: I want to go to this email, and this is from Nathan Kelly. And he emails in to you: would you agree that the best form of government is none at all Or put another way, the only legitimate form of governance is individual governance. Ron Paul: Well, I'm glad he put the last sentence on, because you always want government.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    09-24-2017, 07:56 AM
    Well, I don't know what you mean by equating HB's list of works by various authors as "those days." We've always been for small, limited government as a platform. Limited for Liberty. We've not been ant-government as a platform so far as I can recall. If we have and I'm mistaken, then please tell me when that time was. That aside, let's take a look at HB's list. It contains works from a broad cast of authors. All of whom offer differing, varying, and most often contrary applications of an ideal. Now this presents a problem. I'll tell you why. It presents a problem because each and every one of those varying applications must be secured by a governmental body of some concoction which must be supported by both society as well as smart people. It's far more complex than just applying an ism to something and rolling with it. Each one of those varying applications of a single ism demand a tailored means of security. And in every case all you're doing is trading one State for another. The application of any ism (particularly with regard to securing it) is equally as important as said principles of the ism.
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    09-23-2017, 10:17 PM
    How do you get 4g on a 2g phone? If that's the case, I want to use my moto razr from back in the day instead of this smart phone.
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    09-23-2017, 09:51 PM
    HA. "Natural Citizen'' is new to you. Granted, it's very easy to say that something has been 'covered' just because an opinion has been written down some place. Right? Of course it is. Here is the answer to the question. It is the only legitimate answer. And I'm sure that not one person on this board will disagree with me. Libertarianism permits for voluntary socialism so long as you're a libertarian and have renounced the use of force.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    09-23-2017, 07:47 PM
    Ah gawsh. When the youngsters start saying youngster, it's probably time to put me out to pasture. lolol. I keep forgetting that we've watched people basically grow up under the tent for the past 30 years or so. But that's a good thing, I suppose. You guys would've had fun in the 80s when a feller had to pound pavement the old fashioned way. No Internet, no smart phones, no nothing. Instant activism was unheard of. Only radio and newspapers and if your letter got through to the editor and printed, it was a small victory. Billboards were the memes of the day. lolol.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    09-23-2017, 07:22 PM
    This thread needs Occam's. That's what this thread needs. At least he's gosh darned realistic.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    09-23-2017, 06:54 PM
    But there would be a State none the less. Economic security requires a coercive force. As a consequence, any system which depends upon coercive force to achieve economic security demands servitude. This is fundamental. Another thing, Pierz, respectfully speaking. This is just a little tip for functionally debating, since I've noticed that you try to do this quite a bit in order to sell your ism. And it's not just you, this happens every time we debate trustees of this particular ism. You cannot reframe the question or the terms of the whole of the debate in order to omit your ism's shortcomings. At least, not honestly. You will get busted and called out on it every single time. At least, on this forum. Every single time. Simple ignorance, of course, is an entirely different matter. We'll try to help one to understand the shortcomings of voluntary socialism if one is willing to objectively hear them so as to make an informed choice toward a functional understanding of the workings of culture, government, proper man-to-man/government-to-man relations, etc.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    09-23-2017, 06:52 PM
    Aw, geez. Why'd you have to quote me, of all people on this thread? Hm? Why? I left the thread. Firstly, I advocate for small government. Meaning that the government has one and only one role. Which is to protect Individual Liberty. That isn't possible in what is being offered in this thread. What is being offered in this thread is the question of replacing one State with another State. And in the replacement State (A Democracy in this case), the Individual and any group of Individuals has no protection against the Majority. None. In a Democracy there is no mechanism to protect the rights of The One to the right to his rights against the unchecked power of the Majority. Secondly, I'm intellectually honest enough to know that anarchy and capitalism do not mix. They are patently contrary to one another in fundamental principle. I'm smart enough to understand that economic security is not possible without a coercive force.
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    09-23-2017, 05:08 PM
    Sigh. Youth is wasted on the young. I should make that my sig. Heh.
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