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    Today, 08:44 PM
    https://reason.com/archives/2018/02/18/a-cure-for-mass-shootings-doesnt-exist
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    Today, 08:40 PM
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    Today, 08:30 PM
    That was after the Depression already hit. The government was running out of money. Using gold for money didn't prevent any economic crisis and did not prevent income disparity. Yes, they can and do- it is called "barter" but isn't terribly convenient. If you have a chicken and want some apples but the apple seller doesn't want any chicken you have to find a third or even fourth party to barter with. Too complicated. Money is much simpler. We tried competing currencies in the US. At one point there were over 3,000 different notes used in the US (most of them failed along with the banks who issued them) during the "Free Banking Era" in the mid 1800's. Jackson got rid of the Central Bank and allowed States to do what they wanted. It didn't go very well. It was too confusing and values were uncertain so people decided they wanted just one currency.
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    Today, 08:00 PM
    Some say the FBI did not do enough to prevent the Florida shootings. Should the FBI raid the homes of people who make threats and seize any weapons they may have? Before they have actually committed any crimes with them?
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    Today, 07:50 PM
    Kinda like they did during and prior to the Great Depression? Silver was acceptable too. Examples of a "pure gold standard" in history?
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    Today, 07:34 PM
    The two are not mutually exclusive. You can have both a gold standard and a central bank. What is a "pure" gold standard? Examples from history of them?
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    Today, 07:24 PM
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?519708-CA-Democrats-reject-Feinstein-embrace-ultra-leftist-Kevin-de-Le%F3n-for-US-Senate The Dems didn't endorse any candidates for any offices including Governor, lieutenant governor or state attorney general.
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    Today, 02:49 PM
    The other question is, if the middle class is actually shrinking, in which direction is it going? Are people leaving it because their wealth increased or because it has decreased? https://www.npr.org/2016/07/07/484941939/a-portrait-of-americas-middle-class-by-the-numbers
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    Today, 02:37 PM
    What do you consider "sound money" and how does that prevent the rich from getting richer or help the middle class grow? Some consider gold to be "sound money" We had the Great Depression under a gold standard. The Gini Coefficient is a measure of wealth disparity. Here is what it has looked like in the US:
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    Today, 02:06 PM
    The topic was the middle class. It is not a "deflection" but continuation of the topic. You are the one deflecting. But what should be a solution? The Fed to raise interest rates above the rate of inflation so that people stop borrowing money (and make it harder to pay back what they have already borrowed)? Will higher interest rates improve the income/ wealth of the middle class and slow the wealth growth of the upper class- reducing the income gap? Higher interest rates also reduce businesses from borrowing to expand their businesses and increase their costs- meaning fewer new jobs and less money to pass along to workers in the form of salaries or less to pass along to consumers in the form of lower prices. That would hurt the middle class- however we choose to define it. Should the government tax the wealthy and give money to those at lower income levels to reduce the income spread? Pass laws to make free agreements between borrowers and lenders more difficult or even illegal? The Fed only sets short term interest rates. They don't take money from one group and give it to another. They don't decide where money goes. Government policies and markets decide that. But if they could, what would you suggest the Fed do about income disparities?
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    Today, 01:54 PM
    I asked what you consider "middle class". If we are going to discuss the status of the middle class, there should be some basic agreement as to what we are talking about.
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    Today, 01:52 PM
    So you consider "middle class" to mean people on food stamps?
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    Today, 01:31 PM
    The real question is, how does one define "middle class"? Whether or not Elizabeth Bennet in an 1800's piece of English fiction was or not is irrelevant to 21st Century USA. What makes one "middle class" today? About two thirds of Americans think that applies to them. http://news.gallup.com/poll/212660/middle-class-identification-pre-recession-levels.aspx
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    Today, 01:24 PM
    I should have included the next couple paragraphs at the link: She was considered socially inferior- not economically inferior.
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    Today, 01:10 PM
    Michigan is one of the highest cost insurance states (currently #2). New Hampshire is #39. https://www.insure.com/car-insurance/car-insurance-rates.html
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    Today, 01:04 PM
    They said she was too moderate (no other candidates got enough support to earn an endorsement either). There are presently zero Republican candidates running for the Senate in California.
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    Today, 12:56 PM
    If you define "middle class" as those in the middle- between the rich and the poor-, there has always been and will always be a middle class. If you want to use the Jane Austin class measures, the upper class were educated and had property- which defines much of what is the middle class today. How does one define "middle class"? Pride and Prejudice Classes: https://rpowell.livejournal.com/52202.html
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    Yesterday, 11:36 PM
    Not if the classified information is redacted -and the memo was redacted. Trump didn't say it could not be released but that it could be if they removed classified information from it which they did. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/24/house-intelligence-committee-releases-dem-rebuttal-to-gop-fisa-memo.html Once the FBI confirmed it no longer included classified info, the document could be released. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/congress-releases-redacted-declassified-democratic-memo-53333481
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    Yesterday, 11:26 PM
    No, I don't support getting rid of it. I am part of it.
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    Yesterday, 06:14 PM
    https://www.npr.org/2018/02/24/588563076/memo-by-house-intelligence-committee-democrats-released-as-nunes-addresses-cpac Neither the Republican or Democratic memos had anything "earth shattering" in them. More at link.
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    Yesterday, 05:54 PM
    Middle Class is kind of a historical anomaly (and difficult to define and measure exactly). In this country, it rose following WWII when the US was about the only economic power standing and was needed to help rebuild much of the world (financed in part though the Marshal Plan). There was middle class before that, but it was a much smaller slice of society. It did get a start during the Industrial Revolution of the late 1800's but didn't really effect large numbers until after WWII after the Great Depression wiped out a lot of them. http://www.post-gazette.com/local/region/2011/11/20/The-historic-roots-of-the-middle-class/stories/201111200308
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    02-21-2018, 01:03 AM
    What's interesting to me is how easily the public is conditioned/brainwashed. It wasn't even that many years ago that pretty much everyone agreed that transgenderism is a disorder… and now it's being "celebrated." And if you don't agree with that, then you're the bad guy. It reminds me who the temporary ruler of this world is. (John 12:31)
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    02-20-2018, 01:21 PM
    Donna, again you're not addressing anything I said. You did that twice now. That's not how I like to debate, because if I'm going to reply to the things you're saying, then I think it's only fair that you would do the same. The Scriptures about the quail are one of the worst things you could have chosen in support of meat eating… That was a curse! The only reason God gave them quail was because they were complaining nonstop, meat was what they were craving, so God gave them what they wanted. Exodus 16:3 And the children of Israel said to them, “Oh, that we had died by the hand of the Lord in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the pots of meat and when we ate bread to the full! For you have brought us out into this wilderness to kill this whole assembly with hunger.”
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    02-19-2018, 09:37 PM
    Why no response to anything I said in my previous post? It's easy to post scriptures like the one above, but it doesn't negate anything I said. I already mentioned this passage earlier. I was about to go over all the different interpretations of that passage (there are a few, from a vegetarian/vegan perspective) but I honestly was not intending to get into a Bible study tonight, and that is not even the topic of this thread anyway, so we can go into more detail on this at another time, on another thread. For now I'll say this. Picture in your mind a timeline. At the very beginning, you have God's perfect will (peace and harmony among all living beings, no violence, no killing, no meat eating)...And then at the end, when God restores that original design, once again you'll have God's perfect will. Everything in between is a symptom of this fallen world. Not God's perfect will, but in many cases God giving us over to what we want, due to the hardness of our hearts. So when you look at that timeline, and you see on the left and on the right, God's perfect will… and in the middle this fallen world… what should we, as Christians, aim for? Unless it is a matter of survival, why not honor God's original design and His ultimate plan which he is moving us toward, as we speak? Why not think about the condition of mankind overall, and question why there is so much disease, violence, corruption? Perhaps if we go back to how God originally designed us – to be peaceful, non-violent, and to eat a healthy plant-based diet – then we would see a reversal of these diseases and destruction of this beautiful earth God gave us stewardship of. Also, think about the fruit of the Spirit. What is more in line with love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control – a slaughterhouse or a garden? :) Please answer honestly.
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    02-19-2018, 07:02 PM
    Again, the important thing is God's original design/intent, which is the same as God's ultimate plan, as prophesied in Isaiah and other places. Since God does not change, I believe it is wrong to dismiss God's original design by cherry picking verses that may at first glance appear to contradict it. There are a few different interpretations of that verse about Abel and his offering. The mainstream interpretation seems to be that once sin came into the world, that's when sacrifices were introduced, to of course foreshadow Jesus' sacrifice for our sin. Since this represented something very serious and horrible, it was not something to be done lightly. (And btw, nowhere in that text does it say they ate meat. In fact, that verse doesn't say that Abel killed anything, just that he brought God the best of his flock.) There are a couple other views on that passage… But I don't have time right now to get into all of that. Also, I think it's very important to know that God repeatedly said that he has no pleasure in animal slaughter and he never required it. (Psalm 51:16, Hosea 6:6, Jeremiah 7:22, Isaiah 1:11, Matthew 9:13, Hebrews 10:8, Psalm 40:6, Mark 12:33, Jeremiah 32:30, etc.) So when you put all that together – the heart of God, a heart of love, mercy, compassion, along with his very clear words in Genesis 1:29, and the numerous verses about his desire for mercy, not sacrifice…I think it is wrong to assume that God has no problem with what we are doing with animals.
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    02-19-2018, 02:21 PM
    You're bringing up a different topic and I'm not sure what you believe because as Pete said on that other thread, it is all over the place… But it is certainly not the standard Christian belief. As for the verse about Adam naming the animals, that only confirms what I've been saying. God's original design which we saw in the Garden of Eden was peace and harmony, not a slaughterhouse. Adam was to take care of the animals, name them, and nowhere in Genesis 1 did God say "I created animals for you to eat and exploit." Genesis 1:29 is very very clear, don't ignore that verse. Abel being a keeper of sheep does not mean for the purpose of eating them. The Bible is also clear that meat eating wasn't permitted until after the flood, and it is argued that that was only because all the vegetation was dead and there would have been very little to eat at that time. If any meat eating did occur before the flood, it almost certainly would have been because the fallen angels who corrupted mankind taught them all sorts of demonic things, meat-eating being one of them. In fact, some extra biblical writings say just that, I can look it up and post it for you if you want. Not nearly as much as Coke or apple juice and things like that. Also, almond milk comes unsweetened. :)
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    02-19-2018, 02:12 AM
    Speaking of that, I came across a shocking statistic today… I want to verify if this is true, but it’s very interesting. Apparently, many companies have a financial interest in keeping animal agriculture going. Of course people are eating this and it’s causing resistance… and people are getting sick which means they need more pharmaceutical drugs. And who benefits from that?
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