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Libertarian arguement for open borders

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Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
Ron: What the country does need, he said, is "a much better immigration service" fed by more resources. Not that he'd "vote for extra money." But he does, he told the crowd, have a plan.
And what is his proposition for a "much better immigration service" exactly?

The solution to really addressing the problem of illegal immigration, drug smuggling, and the threat of cross-border terrorism is clear: remove the welfare magnet that attracts so many to cross the border illegally, stop the 25 year US war in the Middle East, and end the drug war that incentivizes smugglers to cross the border.
Ron Paul's Plan: End the welfare state. End the War on Drugs. End foreign military interventions.

Guess what he doesn't suggest? Actually limiting immigration.

In fact,, as you can see if you watch the video below, Ron's only hesitation on having completely open borders is the presence of the welfare state.

But you get rid of the welfare state, which is what his goal was, then you won't have an immigration problem and therefore immigrants should be able to come freely. This he made clear way back in 1988, explaining how immigration is a boon to the USA and why border regulation fails. Starts around the 4 minute mark.

And of course, Ron doesn't want to deport the illegal immigrants already here, which means he de facto supports Dreamers.

Why? Because Ron understands liberty. He knows that when you surround a place with fences and armed guards who will attack and even kill you for trying to cross their lines you don't live as a free person, you live in a prison. He knows the history of the USA and how it lasted the first 100 years of its existence with completely open borders. He knows that when you authorize a powerful central government to decide who can go where and when you violate the property rights and association rights of all the citizens of the country. And finally he knows that the free flow of capital, both in goods, services, and people, between countries is what creates wealth and peace and that doing to ourselves in peace time what our enemies do to us in war -that is blockade ourselves and limit or eliminate free trade- is only a prescription for poverty.

You can be a prisoner or a slave when the state regulates free movement but you can never be free.


  1. Swordsmyth's Avatar
    What the country does need, he said, is "a much better immigration service" fed by more resources. Not that he'd "vote for extra money." But he does, he told the crowd, have a plan.
    If he believes in open borders then he is wrong.

    Freedom brings success, success attracts leeches, leeches destroy freedom.

    Any freedom society must control immigration and naturalization or it will die.

    Article 1 Section 9

    Mises on Nationalism, the Right of Self-Determination, and the Problem of Immigration

  2. PierzStyx's Avatar
    You understand the US Constitution as well as you do the free market, which is to say you don't at all.

    You should also beware of linking that Mises Institute article as everyone on that thread just embarrasses over it, showing its falws and your error for accepting it merely because it agrees with your notions. Really you shouldn't link to MI in general I would think as it is an avowed anarchist site ran by an avowed anarchist.
    Updated 03-09-2018 at 01:24 PM by PierzStyx