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  1. Ron Paul > Rand Paul.
  2. I don't use my 'real' Facebook page, check it maybe once a month. I have a second page for everything Rand Paul related (I run some big Rand Paul pages).
  3. I actually did recently create one for a college scholarship. But I've literally never used that account other than for that. I literally have zero friends on my facebook account, and deliberately so. I don't like using it. Seems like a waste of time for me. I'd rather spend time here on serious stuff
  4. No friends to add?
  5. I don't use facebook, BTW.
  6. WRT: Your comment about neg repping the author of the sex = marriage article, if you want to be a jerk you could neg rep him here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post5426012
  7. Since you mentioned the American Revolution, what is your take on it based on the above?

    For what its worth, I think the Catholic position on this is better than the positions I've heard from most Protestants, assuming I am interpreting it correctly.
  8. With regards to abortion and euthanasia, Pope John Paul II wrote in Evangelium Vitae:

    Abortion and euthanasia are thus crimes which no human law can claim to legitimize. There is no obligation in conscience to obey such laws; instead there is a grave and clear obligation to oppose them by conscientious objection. From the very beginnings of the Church, the apostolic preaching reminded Christians of their duty to obey legitimately constituted public authorities (cf. Rom 13:1-7; 1 Pt 2:13-14), but at the same time it firmly warned that "we must obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29).
  9. And more:

    The citizen is obliged in conscience not to follow the directives of civil authorities when they are contrary to the demands of the moral order, to the fundamental rights of persons or the teachings of the Gospel. Refusing obedience to civil authorities, when their demands are contrary to those of an upright conscience, finds its justification in the distinction between serving God and serving the political community. "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesarís, and to God the things that are Godís." "We must obey God rather than men":

    When citizens are under the oppression of a public authority which oversteps its competence, they should still not refuse to give or to do what is objectively demanded of them by the common good; but it is legitimate for them to defend their own rights and those of their fellow citizens against the abuse of this authority within the limits of the natural law and the law of the gospel. (2242)
  10. Here are some of the relevant sections from the Catechism when it comes to civil disobedience:

    Authority does not derive its moral legitimacy from itself. It must not behave in a despotic manner, but must act for the common good as a moral force based on freedom and a sense of responsibility: A human law has the character of law to the extent that it accords with right reason, and thus derives from the eternal law. Insofar as it falls short of right reason it is said to be an unjust law, and thus has not so much the nature of law as of a kind of violence. (1902)

    Authority is exercised legitimately only when it seeks the common good of the group concerned and if it employs morally licit means to attain it. If rulers were to enact unjust laws or take measures contrary to the moral order, such arrangements would not be binding in conscience. In such a case, authority breaks down completely and results in shameful abuse. (1903)
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