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  1. I am not judging how other countries want to govern themselves. I don't care if Israel is socialist. I DO care when other countries come waltzing into other countries and tell them how to live or completely take their land from them. Centuries of propaganda, colonialism, and imperialism has made the world as we see it today. So, that's right; Israel is not the only extension of Europe. But the most modern examples are the most offensive because they occurred at a time when the world was so called "civilized" and show pure hypocrisy from Europe and America at a time of war when empire building was considered 'evil'. That modern example is Israel.

    But regarding your question: "So, for the same reasons, would you oppose criticism of Israel?"

    You still didn't tell me what kind of criticism you're talking about. If it has to do with the way they govern themselves, then I've already answered that.
  2. Many countries "adopt the theory of socialism", often to a much greater extent than Israel. India even has socialism in it's constitution, and it is illegal to establish a political party that does not reference socialism in it's platform there. Iran, while it does not outright endorse socialism, is one of the most centrally planned countries on earth and does consider itself "anti-capitalist". Comparatively, Israel is a lot more economically free than many European countries, it is ranked no. 48 on the IEF. France is no. 67. Italy is no. 92. Iran is no. 171. I do not see you criticizing them to the same extent as you do to Israel. "Israel is an extension of European imperialism into the middle east." - but virtually every country in the Americas (the United States, Canada, Mexico, Brazil) is an extension of European imperialism.
  3. Or because they adopt the theory of socialism?
  4. What kind of criticism? Israel is an extension of European imperialism into the middle east. You mean that kind of criticism?
  5. So, for the same reasons, would you oppose criticism of Israel?
  6. Iran became a "totalitarian state" after a revolution fueled by outrage to overthrow the American selected Shah. So they are largely governed by islamic laws. If it wasn't accepted, the majority of the population would revolt. But they don't, only the young population influenced by western culture do. If there was a revolt among young people in America who favor Sharia law, they'd also be opposed by the rest of the population. It is not your place to tell them what style of government they should adopt. If you think so, then grab a gun and go put on fatigues.
  7. I'm not sure what you mean by "western values"... Iran is a totalitarian state. There are many non-western countries that are not totalitarian. I don't know why you want Ahmadinejad to be safe from criticism. He certainly deserves it. He might not want to impose his terrible extreme views on other countries, but he does impose them upon the individuals that live in Iran.
  8. I am not a white, black, or religious supremacist/extremist. I am opposed to globalism and imperialism. Your values do not apply to the rest of the world. Iran radicalized against the west because America came into their country and overthrew their democratically elected leader in 1953 to suit their interests. There are those who have "white guilt", but I'm not white so the post was offensive. Just because Ahmadinejad doesn't have western values doesn't make him worse than "any US president in the last century". At least he hasn't been imposing his will and values on the rest of the world.
  9. Okay, so you're a black supremacist, or an Islamic extremist. Calling someone a "Jewish fuck" is racist and you should not be surprised if someone accuses you of being so if you talk to people like that.

    What I said in the topic was directed at those within this movement that have a victim mentality that they are suffering more under tyrannical US presidents than Iranians are under great leaders like Ahmadinejad and Chavez who protects them from the Zionists and "seem like nice guys on Piers Morgan". These people do exist, the Daily Paul is full of them and there's a lot here too.
  10. Stormfront? They are white supremacists, nothing to do with me. My neg rep was a little emotional, but your post was offensive. "Ahmadinejad is far worse than any US president in the last century."

    That is an idiotic statement. He's not your president and how his country is governed is none of your damn business. You want to tell them how to live? Then I hope to see you in your fatigues fighting for european imperialism. Since you think the entire globe should revolve around white western values.
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