• Vermont becomes 9th state to legalize cannabis, first by way of state legislature

    and it was signed into law by a Republican governor too

    Vermont Becomes the Ninth State to Legalize Recreational Marijuana
    Today the governor signed a bill that eliminates penalties for possession and home cultivation.

    Jacob Sullum
    Jan. 22, 2018

    Today Vermont Gov. Phil Scott signed a bill making his state the ninth to legalize marijuana for recreational use and the first to do so through the legislature rather than a ballot initiative. The new law, which takes effect on July 1, allows adults 21 or older to possess up to an ounce of marijuana in public, to grow up to six plants (two of them mature at any one time) per household, and to keep whatever they produce.

    "After more than 15 years of hard work by [the Marijuana Policy Project] and our allies in the state, adults in Vermont no longer need to fear being fined or criminalized for low-level marijuana possession and cultivation," says Matt Simon, MPP's New England political director. "Responsible adults will soon have the freedom to enjoy a safer option legally, and law enforcement will be free to concentrate on serious crimes with actual victims."

    Unlike the initiatives that legalized recreational marijuana in Alaska, California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Nevada, Oregon and Washington, the Vermont law does not permit commercial production or distribution. But it creates a Marijuana Regulatory Commission (with the same membership as the advisory commission that Scott appointed last September) that is charged with studying "regulation and taxation of a commercial adult-use marijuana market that is economically sustainable, reduces the illegal marijuana market, [and] results in net revenues to the State after appropriate costs for education, public health and public safety have been deducted." The commission is required to produce a final report by the end of the year.

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    1. Swordsmyth's Avatar
      Swordsmyth -
      Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
      That a North Korean missile?
      I just grabbed the gif from a news article on the yahoo front page, I think it was a satellite launch.
    1. dannno's Avatar
      dannno -
      Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
      Why..
      I see no need to regulate it whatsoever.

      It is harmless,, and on top of NO Harm,, it is beneficial. for food,for construction,for clothing,for medicine and for art.

      It is a gift from God and forbidding it is criminal.

      It needs to be part of the environment,, again.
      I wouldn't mind it that way, but anything less would be unacceptable to the vast majority of the population.

      Even with my plan it would be far less regulated than cigs.. You can't commercially grow or sell tobacco without all kinds of permits, and there are very high taxes especially for cigs, and now in many places you have to be 21..
    1. shakey1's Avatar
      shakey1 -
      Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
      Why..
      I see no need to regulate it whatsoever.

      It is harmless,, and on top of NO Harm,, it is beneficial. for food,for construction,for clothing,for medicine and for art.

      It is a gift from God and forbidding it is criminal.

      It needs to be part of the environment,, again.
      ^^^THIS^^^
    1. pcosmar's Avatar
      pcosmar -
      Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
      I wouldn't mind it that way, but anything less would be unacceptable to the vast majority of the population.

      Even with my plan it would be far less regulated than cigs.. You can't commercially grow or sell tobacco without all kinds of permits, and there are very high taxes especially for cigs, and now in many places you have to be 21..
      Also dumb..

      and I started smoking tobacco at 12.
      Back when I could still walk to a story and buy them with no question,, other than what flavor.

      My profession was far more dangerous than anything I smoked.

      At 40 I could still free dive lobster at 30 ft down. and i am 60+ and have no breathing issues,
      Though for the last couple I have been smoking Cannabis as well. I may have cut back on tobacco,, but am still a regular smoker.

      I enjoy tobacco,, and wish I could afford better quality..
    1. osan's Avatar
      osan -
      Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
      "Live free or die" state needs to get with the program. Completely surrounded by 3 states that have legalized, plus Canada which will be legalizing this summer.



      What's the legend here? What's the 'D' represent? Democrat? Decriminalized? Douche? Decriminalized Democratic Douche? Help me out?

      And the colors? I surmise the dark green is "legal" at the least. What about the rest?
    1. osan's Avatar
      osan -
      Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
      The problem is that "decriminalize" in the colloquial sense means that it is still illegal to grow or sell. For a libertarian, the word decriminalize sounds like you can grow 30 plants in your backyard and sell weed to your neighbor. Well, that is never going to happen because they are always going to want to regulate sales to children. But typically decriminalization bills will allow possession of small amounts and that is all.

      I've always said they should make legalization bills which criminalize sales to under 18 without a prescription, and then just the regular sales tax.
      Yeah well, screw the colloquialisms of marginal spirits and intellects. I'm speaking in strictly proper terms. Decriminalization means the so-called "state" is keeping its nose out of things that are none of its business.

      Does anyone here realize just how close to being free this land actually is? The veil separating this tyranny from freedom is so thin as to be imperceptible by most. It would take but the most marginal and subtle twist in the ways things are done to transform this land into something far different and far better.

      How I despise stupid, corrupt men.
    1. osan's Avatar
      osan -
      Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
      I just grabbed the gif from a news article on the yahoo front page, I think it was a satellite launch.
      I see yet another of my attempts as mildly sarcastic humor has failed.
    1. CCTelander's Avatar
      CCTelander -
      Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
      Legalization = partial FAIL.

      DECRIMINALIZE, damn it!

      "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to osan again."
    1. Danke's Avatar
      Danke -
      Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
      What's the legend here? What's the 'D' represent? Democrat? Decriminalized? Douche? Decriminalized Democratic Douche? Help me out?

      And the colors? I surmise the dark green is "legal" at the least. What about the rest?
      I think every county in the so-called live free or die state is blue.
    1. Root's Avatar
      Root -
      The green mountain state just got a little greener. Next ski season there is going to be really fun.
    1. jct74's Avatar
      jct74 -
      Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
      "Live free or die" state needs to get with the program. Completely surrounded by 3 states that have legalized, plus Canada which will be legalizing this summer.



      What's the legend here? What's the 'D' represent? Democrat? Decriminalized? Douche? Decriminalized Democratic Douche? Help me out?

      And the colors? I surmise the dark green is "legal" at the least. What about the rest?


      The map is from Wikipedia. Here's the legend:

    1. Danke's Avatar
      Danke -
      Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
      The map is from Wikipedia. Here's the legend:

      prohibited for any use but decriminalized? Huh?
    1. kcchiefs6465's Avatar
      kcchiefs6465 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
      prohibited for any use but decriminalized? Huh?
      Decriminalized refers to not facing prison time for small amounts possessed. There are still civil fines/penalites (license suspension) and criminal penalties for things outside of simple possession of small amounts of cannabis.
    1. dannno's Avatar
      dannno -
      Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
      prohibited for any use but decriminalized? Huh?
      It means they don't have any medicinal laws, but small amounts are decriminalized.
    1. Jan2017's Avatar
      Jan2017 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Root View Post
      The green mountain state just got a little greener. Next ski season there is going to be really fun.
      btw, the name Vermont comes from the French words for green mountain, "mont vert."

      Very significant that this was a legislative action by the State of Vermont, imho.
      Colorado (btw, the birthplace of the Libertarian Party) was first by voter referendum and now
      Vermont the first by the state legislature. Welcome aboard !

      Although a quick internet search seemed to dispel(?) my understanding that George Washington smoked what he was growing -
      there is a definite quote somewhere I read that George Washington was separating/harvesting "the flowering tops of the female hemp plant" so naturally I'll presume he used those female plants for more than rope.

      Thomas Jefferson probably said “Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda, smoking hemp…”

      James Madison
      our nation’s fourth president and “Father of the Constitution” was heard to say that smoking hemp
      inspired him to found a new nation based on Democratic principles.
      https://culturemagazine.com/4-foundi...grew-cannabis/

      Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
      prohibited for any use but decriminalized? Huh?
      No kidding -
      recommending to avoid Nebraska as it is regarded to be one of the very worst,
      very dangerous to drive through with an out-of-state plate.
    1. Root's Avatar
      Root -
      Q: What's the first thing you say to random strangers when getting into a ski gondola in Vermont?
      A: Anyone have any weed?

      Q: What's the second thing you say to random strangers in the Vermont ski gondola?
      A: Anyone want some weed?

      50/50 track record on never getting to question 2.
    1. Jan2017's Avatar
      Jan2017 -
      Quote Originally Posted by opal View Post
      I think the word I'd like to see across the board is UNSCHEDULE - get it off the scheduled prohibition list. Regulate the way dandelions are regulated.
      Yes, considering cannabis as a scheduled drug by the Federal government is the biggest problem legalized states will continue to have.
      Countless over-the-counter medications are more worthy of that designation certainly . . . more dangerous, hepatotoxic, abused, and deadly -
      tylenol is the worst sh!t by far - extremely hepatotoxic but the goonerment doesn't care.
    1. osan's Avatar
      osan -
      Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
      The map is from Wikipedia. Here's the legend:

      OK thank you.

      Now I'm even more cornfuzed.

      How can it be decriminalized in Nebraska, yet prohibited for any use? This map makes me feel retarded.

      So stick with me on this one: NY - decriminalized for medical use, eh? Well screw my brain that STILL doesn't make sense. If it is DECRIMINALIZED, how can the state regulate it for med use only? Or does someone "caught" with it just have to say that it's for medical use only?

      "Why yes occifer, the three hundred pounds of cannabis you just discovered in my trunk is indeed for my personal medical use..."

      And what in hell is this "limited THC content" thing? They find a joint in my pocket and then what? Off to testing for delta-9 levels? How much of the joint does that consume? How long does it take? What is my disposition until results are obtained? Do I sit in a cell because I am pending test results and might pose a flight risk?

      This has my head spinning... I think I need to light a joint so I can chill out. It's my COMPANION JOINT, so you can't hassle me about it. And yes, I can take it on planes for my PTSD. $#@! y'all.
    1. Raginfridus's Avatar
      Raginfridus -
      Too bad aboutKansas. Indiana will still be last to legalize
      :P
    1. shakey1's Avatar
      shakey1 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
      Too bad aboutKansas. Indiana will still be last to legalize
      :P
      My money's on Nebraska to be the holdout.



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