• Trump expected to increase Police Militarization by lifting ban on military gear

    Kevin Johnson
    Aug. 27, 2017

    WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is preparing to lift a controversial ban on the transfer of some surplus military equipment to police departments whose battlefield-style response to rioting in a St. Louis suburb three years ago prompted a halt to the program.

    The new plan, outlined in documents obtained by USA TODAY, would roll back an Obama administration executive order that blocked armored vehicles, large-caliber weapons, ammunition and other heavy equipment from being re-purposed from foreign battlefields to America's streets.

    On Monday, Attorney General Jeff Sessions is scheduled to address the annual meeting of the Fraternal Order of Police, the nation's largest police union, and he may outline the program changes there.

    Administration officials did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

    The administration's action would restore "the full scope of a longstanding program for recycling surplus, lifesaving gear from the Department of Defense, along with restoring the full scope of grants used to purchase this type of equipment from other sources,'' according to a administration summary of the new program recently circulated to some law enforcement groups.

    "Assets that would otherwise be scrapped can be re-purposed to help state, local and tribal law enforcement better protect public safety and reduce crime."

    more:
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ces/606065001/


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    1. CaptUSA's Avatar
      CaptUSA -
      #MAGA baby!
    1. timosman's Avatar
      timosman -
      What do the cops pay with?
    1. TheCount's Avatar
      TheCount -
      President Trump is planning on reversing a ban on allowing local police forces to use surplus military equipment, according to a new report.

      The Trump administration will now allow local police forces to take and use armored vehicles, high-caliber weapons and other kinds of heavy equipment that were once used in the military, USA Today reported Sunday.


      The Obama administration initially banned the practice after police in Ferguson, Mo. were heavily criticized for using the equipment against protestors in the wake of the shooting of Michael Brown three years ago.

      Attorney General Jeff Sessions is set to address the Fraternal Order of Police Monday, where it’s believed he might unveil the new policy.


      "Assets that would otherwise be scrapped can be re-purposed to help state, local and tribal law enforcement better protect public safety and reduce crime,” administration officials wrote in a document obtained by USA Today.
      http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...uipment-report
    1. Swordsmyth's Avatar
      Swordsmyth -
      Thank you for fixing the quote in your signature.
    1. TheCount's Avatar
      TheCount -
      Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
      Thank you for fixing the quote in your signature.
      I changed it before I replied to your extra-large extra-bold font post.
    1. Anti Federalist's Avatar
      Anti Federalist -
      Can't repeal Obamacare.

      Can't repeal NAFTA.

      Can't get tax cuts.

      Can't repeal McClure/Volkmer.

      But sure as $#@! can copsuck.
    1. Raginfridus's Avatar
      Raginfridus -
      He's following the agenda like a loyal drone.
    1. TheCount's Avatar
      TheCount -
      Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
      #MAGA baby!
      MAG*A


      * For certain definitions of great. May not contain actual greatness. Some restrictions apply.
    1. timosman's Avatar
      timosman -
      Is there a money flowchart associated with these transactions?
    1. Dr.3D's Avatar
      Dr.3D -
      Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
      #MAGA baby!
      Guess folks forgot to ask, great again for whom?
    1. Raginfridus's Avatar
      Raginfridus -
      Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
      Is there a money flowchart associated with these transactions?
      Not likely. Surplus donate to PD. Your PD will either hire new mechanics retired from military for the MRAPs, work something with local Nat'l Guard, or the city/county/university will contract diesel technicians familiar with them. My guess is the second, because it facilitates the mingling of PD with the military. In a few years, we'll see PD formally integrated with the military. They already train together, and many are vets.
    1. timosman's Avatar
      timosman -
      Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
      Not likely. Surplus donate to PD. Your PD will either hire new mechanics retired from military for the MRAPs, work something with local Nat'l Guard, or the city/county/university will contract diesel technicians familiar with them. My guess is the second, because it facilitates the mingling of PD with the military. In a few years, we'll see PD formally integrated with the military. They already train together, and many are vets.
      One World Police.
    1. NorthCarolinaLiberty's Avatar
      NorthCarolinaLiberty -
      These two sources say that:

      1. Military equipment transfers increased under Obama after his "ban."
      2. Obama's "ban" only affected the bayonet.





      If You Thought Obama Was Giving Less Military Gear to Local Police Departments, You Were Wrong
      Despite President Obama's much-touted 2015 executive order, an In These Times investigation reveals evidence that police departments are still receiving as much military hardware from the Pentagon as ever.
      September 16, 2016

      Excerpts:


      But an In These Times investigation provides evidence that, in practice, the president’s much-ballyhooed reforms to the 1033 program have done little to stem the flow of battlefield gear to cops.

      In fact, the total value of equipment distributed through the program actually increased in the year following the ban, according to figures provided to In These Times by Michelle McCaskill, media relations chief for the DOD's Defense Logistics Agency (DLA), which oversees the shipments.

      [Ban 2015
      Gear transferred, 2014-15 = 418 million
      Gear transferred, 2015-16 = 494 million]

      http://inthesetimes.com/features/oba...pment_ban.html


      ***


      Obama's military gear ban affects only the bayonet
      by Tara Copp | May 19, 2015

      Excerpts:

      President Obama's new restrictions on transferring Defense Department equipment to local police, in reality, adds only one new piece of gear to the "banned" list: the bayonet.

      Every other item on the "prohibited equipment list" released Monday was already a no-go for the Defense Department, a senior defense official told the Washington Examiner.


      http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ob...rticle/2564691


    1. NorthCarolinaLiberty's Avatar
      NorthCarolinaLiberty -
      Peter Kraska, a professor at Eastern Kentucky University’s School of Social Justice Studies and one of the leading researchers of police militarization, told the Guardian that the new [ban] rules [under Obama] were nothing more than a “publicity stunt.”

      http://inthesetimes.com/features/oba...pment_ban.html
      ..
    1. Raginfridus's Avatar
      Raginfridus -
      We received an MRAP at Purdue, so Obama's indeed full of $#@!. I linked to the details in another topic.
    1. NorthCarolinaLiberty's Avatar
      NorthCarolinaLiberty -
      Donald Trump is a dirtbag copsucker, but I don't think this is all it appears. For example, Obama banned armored vehicles on tracks, but most of the transferred armored vehicles to kops ran on wheels. It would be interesting to see a side-by-side comparison of the actual DoD and police lists.

      Obama pulled a publicity stunt and it looks like Donny boy is doing the same. Except in reverse.
    1. NorthCarolinaLiberty's Avatar
      NorthCarolinaLiberty -
      Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
      Your PD will either hire new mechanics retired from military for the MRAPs, work something with local Nat'l Guard, or the city/county/university will contract diesel technicians familiar with them.

      Other expenses for this equipment:


      --costly storage
      --costly fuel
      --training
      --premium insurance
      --picking up the vehicles (they're not delivered)
    1. Pauls' Revere's Avatar
      Pauls' Revere -
      Together with "Stingray" making the world a safer place.<sarc>

      http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-p...htmlstory.html

      Several years ago, little was known about the StingRay, a powerful surveillance device that imitates the function of a cell tower and captures the signals of nearby phones, allowing law enforcement officers to sweep through hundreds of messages, conversations and call logs.

      The secrecy around the technology, which can ensnare the personal data of criminals and bystanders alike, spurred lawsuits and demands for public records to uncover who was using it and the extent of its capabilities. In California, a 2015 law requires law enforcement agencies to seek permission at public meetings to buy the devices, and post rules for their use online.

      But a Los Angeles Times review of records from 20 of the state’s largest police and sheriff’s departments, plus the Alameda County district attorney’s office, found some agencies have been slow to follow or have ignored the law. Several that partner with federal agencies to work on cases are not subject to the law’s reporting requirements. The result is that little information on StingRay use is available to the public, making it hard to determine how wide a net the surveillance tools cast and what kind of data they gather.
    1. Origanalist's Avatar
      Origanalist -
      Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
      Guess folks forgot to ask, great again for whom?
      You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Dr.3D again.

      It damn sure aint for me.
    1. Origanalist's Avatar
      Origanalist -
      Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
      One World Police.
      Pretty much.


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