• The libertarian movement has no affinity with the Unite the Right Rally

    Restating the Obvious: An Open Letter from the Libertarian Movement

    Today (August 12th, 2017), the “Unite the Right” rally is scheduled to proceed in Charlottesville, VA. The “Right” being united there isn’t just any “Right,” but one that welcomes white supremacists and self-described fascists. Multiple speakers will say this themselves, and the chants at a chaotic pre-event march the night before included Neo-Nazi slogans.

    The purpose of this letter is to clarify the role for libertarianism in this rally – which is no role at all.

    That clarification is necessary because it might appear otherwise. Three of the listed speakers have at one time or another identified as libertarians: Mike Enoch, Augustus Invictus, and Christopher Cantwell. Mike Enoch previously called himself a libertarian, but now mocks the philosophy as “autistic.” Augustus Invictus previously attempted to run for Senate through the Libertarian Party. Recently, though, he publicly changed his registration to Republican in disgust. Christopher Cantwell now seems ambivalent about his relationship with libertarianism and anarchism, but his primary identification is with fascism.

    Regardless of how any speakers or attendees have identified in the past or present, we want to make clear that this event is not in any way a place for libertarianism. Among libertarians, some identify as “right-wing,” some as “left-wing,” and some as “radical centrists.” Virtually the entire outside political spectrum is mirrored within libertarianism, and this makes for no shortage of infighting. One area where the undersigned have consensus, however, is in a rejection of any attempt to connect white supremacy and fascism to libertarianism. Libertarians, including those who see themselves as on “the Right,” have no interest in uniting with the horrifically authoritarian “Right” – often called the “Alt-Right” – rallying in Charlottesville.

    All this should be exceedingly obvious from even a cursory glance at the two movements.

    On a historical note, modern-day libertarianism largely took root in the English-speaking world through Jewish intellectuals, some of whom fled the Nazis. Our movement grew as a revolt against fascism, Communism, and early twentieth-century progressivism. As Thomas Leonard has shown in his Illiberal Reformers, that third enemy’s intellectual history is closely interwoven with eugenics.

    On the level of philosophy, libertarianism stresses the freedom of individuals even when that freedom goes against some supposed collective will. The entire point behind a politics of white supremacy is to replace free association with endless central planning and regulation on collectivist racial grounds. “Unite the Right” speaker Richard Spencer actively seeks to turn the United States into a 100% white ethno-state. It is impossible to conceive of this happening without a return of the total state and its horrors.

    Despite the obvious incompatibility of that totalitarianism and libertarianism (of any kind), an attempted association between the two is unsurprising. Attempts at rebooting authoritarian movements often operate through a tactic called entryism. Entryism is where a smaller political movement attempts to capture a larger one and seize its resources. In cases like fascism and Communism, the tendency towards entryism is probably a joint product of amoral opportunism and an inability to rationally defend their views.

    It is necessary, then, for libertarians to restate the exceedingly obvious and insist on the stark differences between our views and those of anyone with any affinity for National Socialist Germany.

    We, the undersigned, affirm such a gulf between liberty and its opposite.
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    1. PierzStyx's Avatar
      PierzStyx -
      Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
      I'm getting the impression, there were no white nationalists involved with this at all. Seems somebody has been just trying to make it look that way.
      Must be why they mimicked Nazi torch marches right?





      Or what white nationalists flags were on prominent display, such as the white flag with the black St. Andrew's cross.



      The white nationalist League of The South describes that flag thusly:

      The Black Cross of Southern nationalism is highly symbolic. Besides being an ancient symbol associated with certain of our people, it has other meanings. It is a stark and simple symbol, signifying our fundamental cause and our bold and direct approach to it. The white field stands for our Folk and for purity. The black cross stands for no surrender.

      In a day of ambiguity and indecisiveness, we are projecting certainty and strength. Moreover, we now have a symbol that in 2014 is uniquely ours.
      You also have people holding the fasces (and Fascist) black shield that is used by white nationalist group Vanguard America:




      You know, because there weren't any white nationalists there. /s
    1. brandon's Avatar
      brandon -
      I used to think the alt-right was unfairly maligned by the media and liberals as nazis, racists, and fascists. Now they have literally become literal nazis. I don't know if I was just totally blind to it before, or if the media narrative has just shaped what they became. In any case, what a $#@!ing shame. These tools have set back any progress conservatives have made by years.

      The tepid repudiation of these idiots by some of the posters here has me raising my eyebrows.
    1. tod evans's Avatar
      tod evans -
      Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
      I used to think the alt-right was unfairly maligned by the media and liberals as nazis, racists, and fascists. Now they have literally become literal nazis. I don't know if I was just totally blind to it before, or if the media narrative has just shaped what they became. In any case, what a $#@!ing shame. These tools have set back any progress conservatives have made by years.

      The tepid repudiation of these idiots by some of the posters here has me raising my eyebrows.
      I'm not going to repudiate any of those involved.

      My opinion is that if they're stupid enough to live in a city and stupid enough to get involved in racially charged issues in a city then they deserve whatever befalls them.

      I'll not waste my time supporting any of 'em especially the kops.
    1. acptulsa's Avatar
      acptulsa -
      Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
      The tepid repudiation of these idiots by some of the posters here has me raising my eyebrows.
      The last couple of years, repudiations of stormfronters which heat up beyond 'tepid' have led to infractions and bans.
    1. lilymc's Avatar
      lilymc -
      I think we need a movement of non-hateful, non-racist normal people who stand for liberty and truth. And who understand who the real enemy is.

      I'm so tired of all this division and deception.
    1. brandon's Avatar
      brandon -
      Quote Originally Posted by lilymc View Post
      I think we need a movement of non-hateful, non-racist normal people who stand for liberty and truth. And who understand who the real enemy is.

      I'm so tired of all this division and deception.
      Seriously. Bring back the Love in Revolution.

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    1. tod evans's Avatar
      tod evans -
      Quote Originally Posted by lilymc View Post
      I think we need a movement of non-hateful, non-racist normal people who stand for liberty and truth. And who understand who the real enemy is.

      I'm so tired of all this division and deception.
      Ya don't see this kind of BS out here in the sticks.

      People weren't made to stack on top of each other.
    1. lilymc's Avatar
      lilymc -
      Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
      Seriously. Bring back the Love in Revolution.

      Attachment 5830
      Exactly!

      Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
      Ya don't see this kind of BS out here in the sticks.

      People weren't made to stack on top of each other.
      Well, we can't really change that at this point. Personally I think all this BS is the result of a lot of manipulation by the PTSB.
    1. Anti Federalist's Avatar
      Anti Federalist -
      Quote Originally Posted by Antischism View Post
      I wish I could say it was surprising, but all the traditionalists, racists, and Republicans that were brought into the movement have really poisoned the well.
      According to your terms, Ron Paul is all three of those.
    1. Dr.3D's Avatar
      Dr.3D -
      Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
      I used to think the alt-right was unfairly maligned by the media and liberals as nazis, racists, and fascists. Now they have literally become literal nazis. I don't know if I was just totally blind to it before, or if the media narrative has just shaped what they became. In any case, what a $#@!ing shame. These tools have set back any progress conservatives have made by years.

      The tepid repudiation of these idiots by some of the posters here has me raising my eyebrows.
      How can we know what we are seeing through the eyes of the media, is the truth?

      Last I knew, the so called 'White Nationalist' groups spokesman wasn't even allowed his first amendment rights to address the news media. He was immediately surrounded and punched in the face for trying to say anything.

      Something about this doesn't smell right. It's almost as if this is all some kind of act and we are supposed to buy it.
    1. nikcers's Avatar
      nikcers -
      Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
      How can we know what we are seeing through the eyes of the media, is the truth?

      Last I knew, the so called 'White Nationalist' groups spokesman wasn't even allowed his first amendment rights to address the news media. He was immediately surrounded and punched in the face for trying to say anything.

      Something about this doesn't smell right. It's almost as if this is all some kind of act and we are supposed to buy it.
      inb4 Trump tweets that he is going to send in the feds.
    1. The Rebel Poet's Avatar
      The Rebel Poet -
      Quote Originally Posted by Antischism View Post
      I see this place has finally transformed into White Nationalist Forums. I think I'm done visiting for good.
      You just noticed?? Actually it was worse until recently. You can't leave just after we got several of the more obnoxious WN's to finally give up.
    1. bunklocoempire's Avatar
      bunklocoempire -
      Quote Originally Posted by Antischism View Post
      I see this place has finally transformed into White Nationalist Forums. I think I'm done visiting for good.
      Nah, people just really love their public parks and all the joy public property brings.

    1. Danke's Avatar
      Danke -
      Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
      I used to think the alt-right was unfairly maligned by the media and liberals as nazis, racists, and fascists. Now they have literally become literal nazis. I don't know if I was just totally blind to it before, or if the media narrative has just shaped what they became. In any case, what a $#@!ing shame. These tools have set back any progress conservatives have made by years.

      The tepid repudiation of these idiots by some of the posters here has me raising my eyebrows.
      most of the assembly was peaceful patriots. But a minority of white supremacists spoiled it, Feds, Soro's goons?
    1. angelatc's Avatar
      angelatc -
      Quote Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet View Post
      You just noticed?? Actually it was worse until recently. You can't leave just after we got several of the more obnoxious WN's to finally give up.
      Thanks for the neg. I didn't vote for Trump. Derp. Derp. Derp.
    1. phill4paul's Avatar
      phill4paul -
      Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
      most of the assembly was peaceful patriots. But a minority of white supremacists spoiled it, Feds, Soro's goons?
      I'd have to be given some solid numbers. A lot of dupes in the mix. The only ones I could be sure of were the militia that showed up armed, weren't attacked, and didn't shoot anyone. But, yeah, there were provocateurs there. On both sides playing to incite excited emotions.
    1. angelatc's Avatar
      angelatc -
      Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
      I'm getting the impression, there were no white nationalists involved with this at all. Seems somebody has been just trying to make it look that way.
      No, there were definitely white nationalists involved. I am wondering if the guy actually invited them, or if they just seized the opportunity and he wasn't smart enough to realize this is a losing gambit.

      You've been here as long as I have - you may remember that Josh and Bryan had a devil of a time keeping them off these forums. They're like any other fringe element - if you tolerate them, they'll soon become the entire focus of your movement, especially for the opposition.

      The never-Trumpers and the left are making hay with this. Never mind that we never heard much at all about the leftist that took out 5 cops in Dallas. (Do you remember them interviewing his mom? Giving us any lists of groups he associated with? Throwing up Facebook posts?) If the GOP didn't see this coming, they have themselves to blame.
    1. Anti Federalist's Avatar
      Anti Federalist -
      Quote Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet View Post
      You just noticed?? Actually it was worse until recently. You can't leave just after we got several of the more obnoxious WN's to finally give up.
      Why not just have a discussion instead of a neg rep?

      I know Ron Paul is no racist.

      But according to a great many people he was by virtue of the stories in the newsletter that carried his name.

      I was here in 2007/08 when a whole $#@! ton of people were ready to throw him under the bus for that, which to this day I maintain were nothing more than observations, perhaps put crudely.

      He's also a Republican and a traditionalist, if I am understanding correctly what what that pejorative means.

      Antischism claims all three of those things are horrible traits.

      Quote Originally Posted by Antischism View Post
      I wish I could say it was surprising, but all the traditionalists, racists, and Republicans that were brought into the movement have really poisoned the well.
    1. Anti Federalist's Avatar
      Anti Federalist -
      Quote Originally Posted by lilymc View Post
      I think we need a movement of non-hateful, non-racist normal people who stand for liberty and truth. And who understand who the real enemy is.

      I'm so tired of all this division and deception.
      We did.

      Nobody was interested.

      So we all went home.
    1. pcosmar's Avatar
      pcosmar -
      Out of pure curiosity,,

      Where is the nearest Fusion Center to this mess?

      it seems a bit engineered.


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