Secessionists formally launch quest for California's independence

Published on 11-21-2016 11:24 PM

I fully support this, and am going to donate to the cause.

Secessionists formally launch quest for California's independence

http://www.latimes.com/politics/esse...htmlstory.html

Supporters of a plan for California to secede from the union took their first formal step Monday morning, submitting a proposed ballot measure to the state attorney general’s office in the hopes of a statewide vote as soon as 2018.

Marcus Ruiz Evans, the vice president and co-founder of Yes California, said his group had been planning to wait for a later election, but the presidential election of Donald Trump sped up the timeline.

“We’re doing it now because of all of the overwhelming attention,” Evans said.

The Yes California group has been around for more than two years, Evans said. It is based around California taxpayers paying more money to the federal government than the state receives in spending, that Californians are culturally different from the rest of the country, and that national media and organizations routinely criticize Californians for being out of step with the rest of the U.S.

The attorney general’s office will give the ballot measure a title and summary, and Evans said he hopes to begin collecting signatures to get it on the ballot in the spring. Qualifying ballot measures typically requires significant resources to pay signature gatherers, and Yes California doesn’t have major financial backing. But Evans said 13,000 people have volunteered to collect signatures.

“This is real,” Evans said. “We treat it seriously.”

Various groups have made noise about California forming its own country in the wake of Trump’s election this month, most prominently Silicon Valley financier Shervin Pishevar. But similar proposals have dotted the state’s political landscape for years. Yes California has tried and failed previously, and Silicon Valley venture capitalist Tim Draper was not able to get a proposal to split California into six states onto the 2016 ballot.

288 Comments

oyarde - 11-21-2016, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Danke

I'd imagine other states will still be getting their fruits and nuts.

They can keep those over priced raisins , I can get 'em elsewhere

GunnyFreedom - 11-21-2016, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by The Northbreather

What about all the wine!!

yeah...but what about all the whine?

69360 - 11-22-2016, 12:44 AM
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There would never be another democratic or liberal president again without California. The democrats would never have a majority in congress or the senate again. The GOP probably would have a super majority.

Lets kick them out before they even try to leave.

Weston White - 11-22-2016, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 69360

There would never be another democratic or liberal president again without California. The democrats would never have a majority in congress or the senate again. The GOP probably would have a super majority.

Lets kick them out before they even try to leave.

lolz, and never again would they hold the infamous popular vote.

FunkBuddha - 11-22-2016, 05:53 AM
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Please, please, please let me lead a column of tanks and soldiers on a "March to the Sea" through California before they go. I'm sure all of those $#@!heads think it's cool that Sherman did it to the South. Why not reciprocate?

Suzanimal - 11-22-2016, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by The Northbreather

What about all the wine!!

I'm not worried about it. I'm sure they'll still be willing to sell it. If they piss me off, I'll just buy Georgia wine or maybe I will winecede and make my own.

Suzanimal - 11-22-2016, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by FunkBuddha

Please, please, please let me lead a column of tanks and soldiers on a "March to the Sea" through California before they go. I'm sure all of those $#@!heads think it's cool that Sherman did it to the South. Why not reciprocate?

Most non-Southerners do. My New York in laws, for example. Hell, even my husband felt that way until I reeducated him. My sister in law told me we all deserved to die. Anyone owning a Confederate flag should be charged with treason and I should be charged with treason even though I've never owned one but because I'm a "sympathizer". True story.

I was never interested in owning one of those flags until I found out it was a trigger for her. I'm not really a flag person but I wanted to have a Confederate flag theme for my birthday party just to freak them out. Mr Animal wouldn't let me, though. He's a party pooper.

Interestingly, these same people moved here and complain that it's not like Buffalo. Everyone in Buffalo is smarter and works harder, btw. I keep reminding them that I-75 and I-85 head north and Delta is ready when they are but they won't go because they know the economy is $#@! up there.

XNavyNuke - 11-22-2016, 06:45 AM
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Only support it if the water, fuel, and transmission lines are cut at the border. Cal has passed restrictive environmental laws then craps in the backyards of neighboring states. This is followed up by their senators and reps dissing on how f'ed up the rest of the country's environmental regs are and basically rubbing the outlanders noses in the Callie-made sh't.

IMHO

XNN

otherone - 11-22-2016, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Danke

I'd imagine other states will still be getting their fruits and nuts.

I expect those with means will summarily emigrate to the eastern 49.

FunkBuddha - 11-22-2016, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Suzanimal

Most non-Southerners do. My New York in laws, for example. Hell, even my husband felt that way until I reeducated him. My sister in law told me we all deserved to die. Anyone owning a Confederate flag should be charged with treason and I should be charged with treason even though I've never owned one but because I'm a "sympathizer". True story.

I was never interested in owning one of those flags until I found out it was a trigger for her. I'm not really a flag person but I wanted to have a Confederate flag theme for my birthday party just to freak them out. Mr Animal wouldn't let me, though. He's a party pooper.

Interestingly, these same people moved here and complain that it's not like Buffalo. Everyone in Buffalo is smarter and works harder, btw. I keep reminding them that I-75 and I-85 head north and Delta is ready when they are but they won't go because they know the economy is $#@! up there.

You're welcome to come along!!!

Also, please don't send your in-laws up 75, they might decide to stay. We've got more than enough carpetbagging half-backs here in East Tennessee.

georgiaboy - 11-22-2016, 08:12 AM
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Will have to figure out how to get all those Asian imports from the California ports into Heartland USA.

Our local Savannah, GA port would love the potential for increased business.

tod evans - 11-22-2016, 08:18 AM
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Can't realistically hold 'em all accountable...

oyarde - 11-22-2016, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 69360

There would never be another democratic or liberal president again without California. The democrats would never have a majority in congress or the senate again. The GOP probably would have a super majority.

Lets kick them out before they even try to leave.

They should be forced out by any means . It is for the children.

jllundqu - 11-22-2016, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Kords21

I'm sure TYT will be along to give California the same treatment they gave Texas

https://youtu.be/FDomPWLeGuI

kahless - 11-22-2016, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by The Gold Standard

Yes, we know. He's brown, so he must not be smart enough to understand what he's really trying to do. We should really send him home and let the white folks decide the matter.

LOL, right to the race card. No, like I said I would rather not have to contend with a new China or Mexico eventually asserting their will on the rest of us down the road.

Anyway that CEO I spoke of whose comments went viral about #calexit is different from the OP article has since walked it back.

http://www.businessinsider.com/will-...alexit-2016-11

“In the heat of election night, I didn’t adequately or precisely describe my new thinking,"Pishevar wrote. “I do not believe in secession - nor will I ever. I never used that term. I love this country and everything it has to offer.”

Originally Posted by Anti Federalist

Meh, that's the Cuba argument.

If they have an open border with Mexico, then why would they not become a second world corrupt state, like Mexico?

Only difference is that everybody will have learned their lesson by then.

No, they want to go, we should encourage and facilitate that as much as possible.

Cuba did not have the economy to be a military threat and has the Caribbean separating us from them. California's population alone now is a threat even before they import a half billion Chinese and would be a problem if they wanted to eventually "liberate" the western states with their Progressive ideology.

The CEO I was bashing that walked it back now has the right idea.

Pishevar said the movement of states to regain power from the federal government was part of, "A new Federalism where state & local govts are empowered to determine their destinies while bonded together in a United States of America."

oyarde - 11-22-2016, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Suzanimal

Most non-Southerners do. My New York in laws, for example. Hell, even my husband felt that way until I reeducated him. My sister in law told me we all deserved to die. Anyone owning a Confederate flag should be charged with treason and I should be charged with treason even though I've never owned one but because I'm a "sympathizer". True story.

I was never interested in owning one of those flags until I found out it was a trigger for her. I'm not really a flag person but I wanted to have a Confederate flag theme for my birthday party just to freak them out. Mr Animal wouldn't let me, though. He's a party pooper.

Interestingly, these same people moved here and complain that it's not like Buffalo. Everyone in Buffalo is smarter and works harder, btw. I keep reminding them that I-75 and I-85 head north and Delta is ready when they are but they won't go because they know the economy is $#@! up there.

Sympathizer , love it . Now , it is true people have to work harder in Buffalo. Just think of all the snow they have to shovel just to get out to go to work .

oyarde - 11-22-2016, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by XNavyNuke

Only support it if the water, fuel, and transmission lines are cut at the border. Cal has passed restrictive environmental laws then craps in the backyards of neighboring states. This is followed up by their senators and reps dissing on how f'ed up the rest of the country's environmental regs are and basically rubbing the outlanders noses in the Callie-made sh't.

IMHO

XNN

Environmental terrorists .

Carlybee - 11-22-2016, 10:32 AM
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I wish they would so they'll stop moving here.

Root - 11-22-2016, 10:39 AM
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I still say this should be encouraged on all levels.

Anything that can disrupt the Empire of States, even temporally is a good thing.

kahless - 11-22-2016, 10:48 AM
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It would be better to just break California up into multiple states with the federal government purpose to provide military defense and immigration control. We all could be somewhat independent except on immigration.