• Secessionists formally launch quest for California's independence

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    Secessionists formally launch quest for California's independence

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/esse...htmlstory.html

    Supporters of a plan for California to secede from the union took their first formal step Monday morning, submitting a proposed ballot measure to the state attorney general’s office in the hopes of a statewide vote as soon as 2018.

    Marcus Ruiz Evans, the vice president and co-founder of Yes California, said his group had been planning to wait for a later election, but the presidential election of Donald Trump sped up the timeline.

    “We’re doing it now because of all of the overwhelming attention,” Evans said.

    The Yes California group has been around for more than two years, Evans said. It is based around California taxpayers paying more money to the federal government than the state receives in spending, that Californians are culturally different from the rest of the country, and that national media and organizations routinely criticize Californians for being out of step with the rest of the U.S.

    The attorney general’s office will give the ballot measure a title and summary, and Evans said he hopes to begin collecting signatures to get it on the ballot in the spring. Qualifying ballot measures typically requires significant resources to pay signature gatherers, and Yes California doesn’t have major financial backing. But Evans said 13,000 people have volunteered to collect signatures.

    “This is real,” Evans said. “We treat it seriously.”

    Various groups have made noise about California forming its own country in the wake of Trump’s election this month, most prominently Silicon Valley financier Shervin Pishevar. But similar proposals have dotted the state’s political landscape for years. Yes California has tried and failed previously, and Silicon Valley venture capitalist Tim Draper was not able to get a proposal to split California into six states onto the 2016 ballot.


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    1. Brian4Liberty's Avatar
      Brian4Liberty -
      Shankar Singam (one of the Calexit leaders) was on Tucker Carlson tonight. He basically admitted that his plan was to drive the "middle class" out of California so that it can be repopulated with immigrants, no doubt from his home nation.

      This is what conquest (or reconquista) looks like.
    1. Anti Federalist's Avatar
      Anti Federalist -
      Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
      Shankar Singam (one of the Calexit leaders) was on Tucker Carlson tonight. He basically admitted that his plan was to drive the "middle class" out of California so that it can be repopulated with immigrants, no doubt from his home nation.

      This is what conquest (or reconquista) looks like.
      Cultural Marxist revolution.

      Out in the open demographic warfare is now being waged, and one side does not even want to admit they are under attack.
    1. TheTexan's Avatar
      TheTexan -
      I hope this new Cali has free healthcare
    1. TheTexan's Avatar
      TheTexan -
      And UBI
    1. TheTexan's Avatar
      TheTexan -
      I would prefer to not have to work.

      Thanks.
    1. Swordsmyth's Avatar
      Swordsmyth -
      The Yes California Independence Campaign is back.

      The Yes California Independence Campaign went dark in April after its self-appointed leader, Louis Marinelli, announced he was abandoning the movement and settling permanently in Russia. The news was not that surprising. Marinelli set up a makeshift embassy (which he said would be used to promote the secessionist movement) in Moscow last December.
      Earlier this week, the former vice president of the campaign, Marcus Ruiz Evans, announced in an email that he's picking up where Marinelli left off as president of Yes California. Among his first actions, Evans shuttered the group's unofficial embassy and cultural center in Moscow.
      "Although well intentioned, it was a distraction, a point of contention, and a source of division among supporters of California independence. It needed to close and now it is closed," Evans said of the embassy in a statement.
      Marinelli will stay on as member of the group's advisory board, but will not be an officer.

      More at: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/calif...151500174.html
    1. Warrior_of_Freedom's Avatar
      Warrior_of_Freedom -
      We can keep the conservative farmers in the north while the gay part of California can form its own state
    1. Swordsmyth's Avatar
      Swordsmyth -
      California's Path To Independence Smoother Than Catalonia's, Secessionists Say

      California’s burgeoning secessionist movement has been watching Catalonia’s struggle for independence with an eye toward the future. Proponents of transforming California into an independent republic have pointed out that there are many similarities between Catalonia and America’s largest state. For example, both are relatively wealthy.
      However, the circumstances of the two states diverge in one notable respect: The US constitution and California’s state constitution would make it easier for California to secede than Catalonia.

      At least, that’s what one leader of California’s largest pro-secessionist group said during an interview with McClatchy.
      Catalonia has approached secession in the best way it could, Marin said. If secession is what Californians want, he says their path to independence will be easier thanks to the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which says any powers not explicitly given to the federal government are retained by the states. The states cannot unilaterally declare independence, but Marin argues that the Constitution provides the federal government and the states a sanctioned path toward that negotiation.

      “There are definitely similarities in the fiscal situation – we both give more than we get back,” said Dave Marin, director of research and policy for the California Freedom Coalition. “But there’s more flexibility in the U.S. Constitution for secession than there is in the Spanish one. California has more tools available to it.”
      In a shocking display of police brutality, the government of Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy forcefully tried to shut down a Catalan independence referendum that took place on Oct. 1 despite being declared illegal by a court in Madrid. Most recently, Catalan Leader Carles Puidgdemont symbolically declared independence before suspending it pending talks with the central government. Meanwhile, Rajoy said Wednesday that Catalonia has eight days to comply with the state’s order to drop its independence bid or Madrid will revoke the state’s autonomy and reassert centralized rule, likely accompanied by a violent crackdown as the rest of Europe backs away.
      However, Dave Marin says California can probably find a way to disentangle itself from the US peaceably by employing unconventional tactics.
      The first step for Marin’s group is getting an initiative on the 2018 ballot that would repeal a section of the state’s constitution that says California is an “inseparable” part of the US.
      “Our state government is very experienced at doing things that undermine the federal government without being unconstitutional,” Marin said, citing California’s sanctuary cities as an example.

      The California Freedom Coalition is collecting signatures to get its ballot initiative in front of voters in 2018. It does not definitively say California will declare independence from the United States; it would repeal a provision in the state constitution that says California is “an inseparable part of the United States.” It also directs the governor to negotiate for greater autonomy from the federal government and establishes an advisory commission on California autonomy and independence.
      Calls for California’s independence pre-date Donald Trump’s presidency, but his election magnified the movement considerably. Still, most Californians see secession as ridiculous, with only 20% seeing it favorably. Meanwhile, 32% saw it favorably.
      “We’re not strictly saying secession right now,” Marin said. “But if that number gets into the high 40s or 50s, it makes sense to consider. And then we have a few more tools to pursue it than Catalonia.”

      More at: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-1...essionists-say

      We NEED to have a "LET THEM GO" movement and a "KEEP THE RED COUNTIES" movement when the time comes.
    1. Raginfridus's Avatar
      Raginfridus -
      They're both relatively Spanish too, but that doesn't make them all that similar. lol
    1. navy-vet's Avatar
      navy-vet -
      California is on fire.
    1. navy-vet's Avatar
      navy-vet -
      They aren't going to secede.
    1. Zippyjuan's Avatar
      Zippyjuan -
      However, the circumstances of the two states diverge in one notable respect: The US constitution and California’s state constitution would make it easier for California to secede than Catalonia.
      More than half of all eligible voters (not just half the voters who turn out at an election) would have to approve. Then Congress would also have to go along as well as 38 of the other 49 states. Neither gonna happen.
    1. Raginfridus's Avatar
      Raginfridus -
      Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
      And UBI
      If it worked for Weinstein, I don't see why a guy like me couldn't do better...
    1. Swordsmyth's Avatar
      Swordsmyth -
      Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
      More than half of all eligible voters (not just half the voters who turn out at an election) would have to approve. Then Congress would also have to go along as well as 38 of the other 49 states. Neither gonna happen.
      And just where do you get that idea from?
    1. Raginfridus's Avatar
      Raginfridus -
      Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
      And just where do you get that idea from?
      That's how many states are needed for an article V convention, but I don't know about secession... Of course, just coming out and saying they secede, and that they're withholding all federal income tax would be easier. Nobody's gonna cry if they don't follow protocol, and I think Cali being so blunt would throw the whole country for a loop.
    1. Swordsmyth's Avatar
      Swordsmyth -
      Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
      That's how many states are needed for an article V convention, but I don't know about secession... Of course, just coming out and saying they secede, and that they're withholding all federal income tax would be easier. Nobody's gonna cry if they don't follow protocol, and I think Cali being so blunt would throw the whole country for a loop.
      Adding a state does not require a constitutional amendment, letting one leave shouldn't require anything more
    1. navy-vet's Avatar
      navy-vet -
      Seems that was tried by a half a dozen States once. Didn't worked out at all well, ask suzi about it.
    1. Swordsmyth's Avatar
      Swordsmyth -
      Quote Originally Posted by navy-vet View Post
      Seems that was tried by a half a dozen States once. Didn't worked out at all well, ask suzi about it.
      This time we can let them go and say good riddance.
    1. Raginfridus's Avatar
      Raginfridus -
      Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
      Adding a state does not require a constitutional amendment, letting one leave shouldn't require anything more
      Might makes right. The only reason Statists have for claiming a state can't secede from the Union is that Dixie lost. In no uncertain words: Might Makes Right.

      Cali's different in that nobody likes them (or Texas), so public opinion would be with them getting the hell out all the way. On the other hand, if this oddly reaches SCOTUS, the federalis will want them to stay, and nobody can take this $#@! seriously.

      10/1 +reps this goes nowhere. I bet all my reps, so burn me for everything if one state secedes w/o guerrilla carnage and open rebellion. That leaves Cali out of the running, unless a bunch of people want to bleed for the pleasure of libtard elites. (Might be good practice for project mayhem...)

      Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
      This time we can let them go and say good riddance.
      Lincolnites could have done the same. It only took them a few short years to stigmatize the South as a bastion of pagan slavemasters, when really it wasn't anything like the hell they assumed. That's because most idiots only believe what they read in the news, and they never traveled - same as today.

      Theres a great little book about this called A South-side View of Slavery.
    1. Swordsmyth's Avatar
      Swordsmyth -
      Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
      Might makes right. The only reason Statists have for claiming a state can't secede from the Union is that Dixie lost. In no uncertain words: Might Makes Right.

      Cali's different in that nobody likes them (or Texas), so public opinion would be with them getting the hell out all the way. On the other hand, if this oddly reaches SCOTUS, the federalis will want them to stay, and nobody can take this $#@! seriously.

      10/1 +reps this goes nowhere. I bet all my reps, so burn me for everything if one state secedes w/o guerrilla carnage and open rebellion. That leaves Cali out of the running, unless a bunch of people want to bleed for the pleasure of libtard elites. (Might be good practice for project mayhem...)
      I am not betting either way, my crystal ball doesn't work that far into the future, but I think Trump might be trying to provoke CALExit and then let them go followed by MASSExit etc., the Dems would never stand a chance in Federal races again.

      If they do leave and we let them I expect a "Northern Ireland" war/terror campaign for the red counties, but that would be preferable to the nation wide civil war that we are headed for if some or all of the deep blue states don't leave the union or if we try to stop them.


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