• Secessionists formally launch quest for California's independence

    I fully support this, and am going to donate to the cause.


    Secessionists formally launch quest for California's independence

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/esse...htmlstory.html

    Supporters of a plan for California to secede from the union took their first formal step Monday morning, submitting a proposed ballot measure to the state attorney general’s office in the hopes of a statewide vote as soon as 2018.

    Marcus Ruiz Evans, the vice president and co-founder of Yes California, said his group had been planning to wait for a later election, but the presidential election of Donald Trump sped up the timeline.

    “We’re doing it now because of all of the overwhelming attention,” Evans said.

    The Yes California group has been around for more than two years, Evans said. It is based around California taxpayers paying more money to the federal government than the state receives in spending, that Californians are culturally different from the rest of the country, and that national media and organizations routinely criticize Californians for being out of step with the rest of the U.S.

    The attorney general’s office will give the ballot measure a title and summary, and Evans said he hopes to begin collecting signatures to get it on the ballot in the spring. Qualifying ballot measures typically requires significant resources to pay signature gatherers, and Yes California doesn’t have major financial backing. But Evans said 13,000 people have volunteered to collect signatures.

    “This is real,” Evans said. “We treat it seriously.”

    Various groups have made noise about California forming its own country in the wake of Trump’s election this month, most prominently Silicon Valley financier Shervin Pishevar. But similar proposals have dotted the state’s political landscape for years. Yes California has tried and failed previously, and Silicon Valley venture capitalist Tim Draper was not able to get a proposal to split California into six states onto the 2016 ballot.


    Sign up for a free account to add your comment!


    Comments 288 Comments
    1. The Northbreather's Avatar
      The Northbreather -
      Nor cal better reboot the Jefferson state in a hurry
    1. oyarde's Avatar
      oyarde -
      I will be donating on a regular basis .
    1. oyarde's Avatar
      oyarde -
      If any of you , seriously want to ever bring any greatness to America , support CalExit. Until then , no political greatness may ever be achieved .Those backward degenerates are holding everyone else back with communism , socialism , environmental terrorism , fascist gun stance etc . California is the anti america
    1. oyarde's Avatar
      oyarde -
      be rid of 20 percent of the house democrats ( american communist party ) . Help bring Liberty to the children.
    1. oyarde's Avatar
      oyarde -
      If you do not support CalExit , you hate children .
    1. NorthCarolinaLiberty's Avatar
      NorthCarolinaLiberty -
      And these Cali nutjobs were always laughing at Texas for the same thing.

      Who'd have thunk it.
    1. Anti Federalist's Avatar
      Anti Federalist -
      Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
      And these Cali nutjobs were always laughing at Texas for the same thing.

      Who'd have thunk it.
      Yar, all of a sudden secession is not for racists and rednecks but intellectual progressives and being anti war is cool again.

    1. oyarde's Avatar
      oyarde -
      Trump should be proactive and just build the wall around them as well , we can then charge them tolls to enter the new free world .
    1. Anti Federalist's Avatar
      Anti Federalist -
      Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
      Trump should be proactive and just build the wall around them as well , we can then charge them tolls to enter the new free world .
      Oyarde has Done Something
    1. GunnyFreedom's Avatar
      GunnyFreedom -
    1. Kords21's Avatar
      Kords21 -
      I'm sure TYT will be along to give California the same treatment they gave Texas

      https://youtu.be/FDomPWLeGuI
    1. Zippyjuan's Avatar
      Zippyjuan -
      Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
      be rid of 20 percent of the house democrats ( american communist party ) . Help bring Liberty to the children.


      California ranks #46 "most dependent" state in terms of federal tax dollars per capita going to it after taxes paid to Washington. (or another way- fourth least dependent state).

      This list has them a bit higher but still near the bottom:

    1. oyarde's Avatar
      oyarde -
      Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post


      California ranks #46 "most dependent" state in terms of federal tax dollars per capita going to it after taxes paid to Washington. (or another way- fourth least dependent state).

      This list has them a bit higher but still near the bottom:

      Yeah , I do not care about the money , I want free of the dozens of bad Rep.'s you have .
    1. Anti Federalist's Avatar
      Anti Federalist -
      Quote Originally Posted by Kords21 View Post
      I'm sure TYT will be along to give California the same treatment they gave Texas

      https://youtu.be/FDomPWLeGuI
      I'm not holding my breath.

    1. otherone's Avatar
      otherone -
      Looking at number one and three, California does not strike me as a state friendly to retirement, versus those where a lot of SS money goes.
    1. oyarde's Avatar
      oyarde -
      Being rid of California Rep.'s makes it possible to repeal tons of bad legislation . The rest of America would prosper in a free economy while they do as they wish. America would absolutely eventually be net positive by being rid of them.
    1. Anti Federalist's Avatar
      Anti Federalist -
      Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
      California ranks #46 "most dependent" state in terms of federal tax dollars per capita going to it after taxes paid to Washington. (or another way- fourth least dependent state).
      Exactly.

      How grossly unfair, to have to pay in all that money into the fedgov and get pennies on the dollar back, the balance to be sent to redneck, backward, bible thumping states full of gun toting yahoos and racist deplorables.

      It is not treason to secede, it is self determination, the cornerstone of human rights, as laid out by the UN and international agreements.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination

      #CalExit Now
    1. seapilot's Avatar
      seapilot -
      Quote Originally Posted by The Northbreather View Post
      Nor cal better reboot the Jefferson state in a hurry
      I support CalExit, they can have everything west of the San Andreas Fault.
    1. oyarde's Avatar
      oyarde -
      Just think of the CalExit paradise . Special weapons and magazines made that hold two shells , called California Special.
    1. Feeding the Abscess's Avatar
      Feeding the Abscess -
      The US government would allow California to secede over its dead body. Far too much economic activity would be lost.


    Sign up for a free account to add your comment!





    Continue / discuss in the forums Read More

  • Activism News & Discussion

    r3volution 3.0

    A Monarchist Party?

    Thread Starter: r3volution 3.0

    Plank One: "Democracy is socialism; we favor monarchy because we favor liberty." Plank Two: "Elections are a joke and we decline to participate; you may self-destruct all by yourself."

    Last Post By: Weston White Today, 12:03 PM Go to last post
  • Ron Paul & Rand Paul: News & Discussion

    charrob

    War on ISIS - Whose Side Are We Really On?

    Thread Starter: charrob

    A thread discussing this, as well as the original BBC Report, is also in the U.S. Political News subforum: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?516826-Bombshell-Report-Confirms-US-Coalition-Struck-A-Deal-With-ISIS

    Last Post By: AZJoe Today, 08:19 AM Go to last post
    Brian4Liberty

    Pentagon Expands 'Terror War' To Africa: Where Is Congress?

    Thread Starter: Brian4Liberty

    Pentagon Expands 'Terror War' To Africa: Where Is Congress?

    Last Post By: AZJoe Today, 07:34 AM Go to last post
    bunklocoempire

    Trump To Release New US Strategy: Will Neocons Cheer? RPLR

    Thread Starter: bunklocoempire

    Foreign affairs analyst Jim Jatras joins today's Liberty Report to discuss the new US National Security Strategy scheduled to be released next week. Big changes? New approach? We'll discuss...

    Last Post By: Zippyjuan Yesterday, 07:23 PM Go to last post
    Suzanimal

    Government Should Leave Bakers Alone

    Thread Starter: Suzanimal

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?434887-Court-hears-case-over-gay-wedding-cake http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2017/december/11/government-should-leave-bakers-alone/ Copyright © 2017 by RonPaul Institute. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit and a live link are given. Please donate to the Ron Paul Institute

    Last Post By: osan 12-13-2017, 08:55 PM Go to last post
  • General News & Politics

    enhanced_deficit

    USA Today Editorial Board Calls Trump Unfit To Clean Obama’s Toilets

    Thread Starter: enhanced_deficit

    This is probably unprecedented critique of a sitting POTUS who is also commander in chief of wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria: 12/13/2017 02:17 am ET USA Today Editorial Board Calls Trump Unfit To Clean Obama’s Toilets In Scathing Editorial By Rebecca Shapiro USA Today published a brutal editorial from its editorial board Tuesday after President Donald Trump...

    Last Post By: Madison320 Today, 12:04 PM Go to last post
    phill4paul

    Bunkerville: Trial #3 begins....

    Thread Starter: phill4paul

    Evidentiary hearing included SA Dan Love. He was not allowed to testify in the first two trials. Some things he has to say are interesting to say the least... https://redoubtnews.com/2017/10/us-attorneys-office-implicated/

    Last Post By: Weston White Today, 12:01 PM Go to last post
    dannno

    Charlottesville Antifa Steamrolled By Car

    Thread Starter: dannno

    Cernovich: Civil War is here https://www.pscp.tv/Cernovich/1vAGRNpAXDrGl? Trumps Comments on Charlotesville https://www.pscp.tv/Cernovich/1eaJbmegBRdGX?

    Last Post By: Madison320 Today, 11:55 AM Go to last post
    enhanced_deficit

    ISIS weapons arsenal included some purchased by U.S. government

    Thread Starter: enhanced_deficit

    Is this responsible journalism if such reporting could lead to leak of state sponsored secrets? Should US media like our closest democratic ally Israel be required to to get "cleared for publication" news clearance from authorized agencies for sensitive issues relating to defense of our freedoms? ...

    Last Post By: Influenza Today, 11:49 AM Go to last post
    Brian4Liberty

    Peter Strzok: Partisan FBI infiltrator

    Thread Starter: Brian4Liberty

    It seems that some government employees have taken their partisanship to extremes, such that it would be impossible for them to fulfill their job requirement of being unbiased. Might as well consider this guy to have been a member of the Hillary campaign. Mueller aide fired for anti-Trump texts now facing review for role in Clinton email probe

    Last Post By: AuH20 Today, 10:53 AM Go to last post
    dannno

    Net Neutrality Repealed

    Thread Starter: dannno

    F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Ruleshttps://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/12/14/technology/net-neutrality-repeal-vote.html

    Last Post By: timosman Today, 10:47 AM Go to last post
    AuH20

    Assange: The Bad Guys Are About To Pull the Rug From Underneath Trump

    Thread Starter: AuH20

    941236265256566784 https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/941236265256566784 Leading a lamb to slaughter. Trump's Achilles heel from the start was never possessing a clear, firm ideological bent that could have prevented this subterfuge. Trumps' only chance for recovery could hinge on his self-preservation instincts finally kicking in. Perhaps, this phony Russian debacle may force his...

    Last Post By: Superfluous Man Today, 10:44 AM Go to last post
    Swordsmyth

    Pelosi Says Trump Never ‘Should Have Been President’

    Thread Starter: Swordsmyth

    House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi blasted President Donald Trump’s political legitimacy Tuesday by telling reporters he never “should have been president” and stated a possible congressional investigation into allegations of sexual harassment and assault by Trump before he took office should go forward. The ranking House Democrat also said that a sexual harassment civil case, brought by...

    Last Post By: goldenequity Today, 10:18 AM Go to last post
    Swordsmyth

    Emanuel rolls out Chicago ID for 'undocumented' and those 'on the sidelines'

    Thread Starter: Swordsmyth

    Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel has officially unveiled a new ID program he says is designed to welcome the “undocumented” community and people “on the sidelines” into the city. “If you want somebody who’s undocumented to feel comfortable to be able to drive their child to school and all the benefits, they have to be part of the city,” Emanuel said. ...

    Last Post By: Superfluous Man Today, 09:38 AM Go to last post
    Swordsmyth

    Prominent appeals court judge to be investigated over sex misconduct claims

    Thread Starter: Swordsmyth

    A federal judicial council will launch an internal investigation into a prominent judge accused of sexual misconduct on the job. Judge Alex Kozinski, a member of the San Francisco-based U.S. Court of Appeals for...

    Last Post By: Zippyjuan Today, 09:01 AM Go to last post
  • Gold Chart

    [Most Recent Quotes from www.kitco.com]
  • Silver Chart

  • Economics News & Discussion

    specsaregood

    China’s new alternative financial system - and how it could mortally wound the US dollar

    Thread Starter: specsaregood

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-13/gold-will-soar-china-kneecaps-dollar more at link, interesting read.

    Last Post By: devil21 Yesterday, 10:56 PM Go to last post
    Firestarter

    BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street own the US

    Thread Starter: Firestarter

    When investigating the 1 October Las Vegas “mass shooting” I found out about Vanguard and Fidelity (FMR). I postponed starting a thread on this, because there were some other things I wanted to do first. First I looked at the major shareholders in Live Nation Entertainment Inc, which includes Vanguard (several times) and Fidelity:...

    Last Post By: Zippyjuan Yesterday, 10:42 PM Go to last post
    anaconda

    Bitcoin Cracks $5000

    Thread Starter: anaconda

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/cbovaird/2017/09/01/bitcoin-price-tops-5000-as-cryptocurrencies-march-higher/#6d8dc42a5a8e

    Last Post By: devil21 Yesterday, 09:26 PM Go to last post
    timosman

    The economy's biggest mystery — paychecks just aren't growing

    Thread Starter: timosman

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/08/lack-of-wage-growth-remains-the-economys-greatest-mystery.html

    Last Post By: oyarde Yesterday, 08:06 PM Go to last post
    DamianTV

    More Ron Paul Followers Prefer Bitcoin To Gold

    Thread Starter: DamianTV

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-10/more-ron-paul-followers-prefer-bitcoin-gold Full article on link...

    Last Post By: r3volution 3.0 Yesterday, 07:46 PM Go to last post
    Madison320

    Where is your bank account# stored in Bitcoin?

    Thread Starter: Madison320

    I don't understand how Bitcoin is anonymous. When you buy or sell a Bitcoin, isn't your bank account linked to your wallet?

    Last Post By: Crashland Yesterday, 12:18 PM Go to last post
  • Bitcoin Chart

  • Living Free and Healthy

    Swordsmyth

    Major Cause of Dementia Discovered

    Thread Starter: Swordsmyth

    An international team of scientists have confirmed the discovery of a major cause of dementia, with important implications for possible treatment and diagnosis. Professor Garth Cooper from The University of Manchester, who leads the Manchester team, says the build-up of urea in the brain to toxic levels can cause brain damage – and eventually dementia. The work follows on from Professor...

    Last Post By: Firestarter Today, 07:08 AM Go to last post
    osan

    The Dangers of a Transgender Ideology [SHORT VIDEO]

    Thread Starter: osan

    This doctor is a very smart girl who has nailed the hide to the barn door. If you have small children or know people that do who would like to raise healthy children, rather than destroyed, collapsed heaps of human wreckage, then watch this and take it in carefully. PS: No idea who or what is "The Daily Signal".

    Last Post By: osan Yesterday, 08:08 PM Go to last post
    enhanced_deficit

    Is Wi-Fi safe for health?

    Thread Starter: enhanced_deficit

    Cell phones used to be "safe", then there came "causes for concern" and final determination remains inconclusive as of now. Do you consider home wi-fi safe for health? My guess is vast majority probably see typical home Wi-Fi radiation levels as fully safe or within acceptable risk levels. Disclaimer, I have not tried to research/validate views in below article. ...

    Last Post By: enhanced_deficit 12-13-2017, 11:13 PM Go to last post
    donnay

    Leaked Emails Mention Aspartame Causing Holes in the Brain

    Thread Starter: donnay

    http://realfarmacy.com/aspartame-email/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

    Last Post By: Zippyjuan 12-13-2017, 06:47 PM Go to last post
    Danke

    It is gonna be a cold winter.

    Thread Starter: Danke

    This fall the Indians on a remote reservation asked their new Chief Oyarde if the coming winter was going to be cold or mild. Since he was a chief in a modern society, he’d never learned the old tribal secrets. He couldn’t look at the sky to predict what the winter was going to be like. "It's going to be a very cold winter." So just to be on the safe side, Oyarde told his tribe that the...

    Last Post By: Suzanimal 12-13-2017, 08:38 AM Go to last post
    donnay

    GLOBAL VACCINE CARTEL WREAKS DESTRUCTION: THE EVIDENCE

    Thread Starter: donnay

    https://www.infowars.com/global-vaccine-cartel-wreaks-destruction-the-evidence/

    Last Post By: Zippyjuan 12-12-2017, 05:39 PM Go to last post
  • Education & Thought Power

    r3volution 3.0

    Contract Enforcement in Ancapistan

    Thread Starter: r3volution 3.0

    Some example contracts to consider: Contract #1: "Smith shall give Jones $100 today, and Jones shall give Smith $110 in one year. Either party may unilaterally void the contract." Contract #2: "Smith shall give Jones $100 today, and Jones shall give Smith $110 in one year. Smith may unilaterally void the contract." Contract #3: "Smith shall give Jones $100 today, and Jones shall give...

    Last Post By: r3volution 3.0 Yesterday, 09:10 PM Go to last post
    kcchiefs6465

    FBI (all the way up to Hoover) Knowingly Frames Innocent Men, Covers Up Evidence for Decades

    Thread Starter: kcchiefs6465

    A case I just recently became aware of in which the FBI, all the way up to J. Edgar Hoover, conspired to imprison men for decades for a murder they knew the men didn't commit. Not only did they know the men did not commit the murder, they knew about the murder going to happen two days prior to it and did nothing to prevent it because of the "potential" good their informants could do if they were...

    Last Post By: CCTelander Yesterday, 12:18 PM Go to last post
  • Follow us on Twitter! Like us on Facebook! Subscribe to our top news RSS Feed! New! Subscribe to us on YouTube!