• Trump says he'd try U.S. citizens in Gitmo military tribunals

    What a liberty position

    During an interview with the Miami Herald on Thursday, Trump was asked if he would push to get U.S. citizens accused of terrorism tried by military commissions at the U.S. military base in Cuba, a change that would require action from Congress.
    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...-in-guantanamo

    I'd love to see the resident Trumpkins try to defend this one.


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    1. jmdrake's Avatar
      jmdrake -
      Oh but Trump is the liberty candidate because he's against the TPP. Trump can grab your property (eminent domain), grab your guns (if you're on the no fly list), and stick you in Gitmo but as he long as he doesn't sign the TPP it's all gravy.
    1. CPUd's Avatar
      CPUd -
    1. r3volution 3.0's Avatar
      r3volution 3.0 -
    1. AuH20's Avatar
      AuH20 -
      If you're primarily voting on GITMO or trangender bathrooms, then you have some real issues.

      The big ticket items are where a shrewd individual bases his or her vote on. Relations with Russia, Trade, Illegal Immigration.................. Things that will decide the future of the country in 20 years.
    1. CPUd's Avatar
      CPUd -
      Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
      If you're primarily voting on GITMO or trangender bathrooms, then you have some real issues.

      The big ticket items are where a shrewd individual bases his or her vote on. Relations with Russia, Trade, Illegal Immigration.................. Things that will decide the future of the country in 20 years.
    1. William Tell's Avatar
      William Tell -
      Trump hates the Constitution!
    1. AuH20's Avatar
      AuH20 -
      Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
      ICBMs and russian sub missiles >>>>> GITMO. Sorry but GITMO is a nonissue these days.

      Withhold support for Trump and don't be surprised what transpires in Eastern Europe. The Ukrainians are already massing at the Crimean border and Hillary hasn't even been sworn in.
    1. Dr.3D's Avatar
      Dr.3D -
      Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
      Trump hates the Constitution!
      Of course, if followed, it limits his power.
    1. CPUd's Avatar
      CPUd -
      Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
      ICBMs and russian sub missiles >>>>> GITMO. Sorry but GITMO is a nonissue these days.

      Withhold support for Trump and don't be surprised what transpires in Eastern Europe. The Ukrainians are already massing at the Crimean border and Hillary hasn't even been sworn in.
      Quoted for posterity.
    1. AuH20's Avatar
      AuH20 -
      Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
      Quoted for posterity.
      It's the truth. The Doomsday clock is 3 minutes to midnight. As crazy as it sounds, Donald Trump may be the lone obstacle to World War.

      Hillary and the Neocons will be left unopposed to force Russia into a first strike position if she triumphs in November. The Never Trump people can enjoy their subterranean existence arguing about Gitmo and Emminent Domain.

      http://thebulletin.org/timeline
      "Last year, the Science and Security Board moved the Doomsday Clock forward to three minutes to midnight, noting: 'The probability of global catastrophe is very high, and the actions needed to reduce the risks of disaster must be taken very soon.' That probability has not been reduced. The Clock ticks. Global danger looms. Wise leaders should act—immediately." See the full statement from the Science and Security Board on the 2016 time of the Doomsday Clock.
      http://buchanan.org/blog/trump-peace-candidate-125499

      Rather, they were realists who recognized that, though we prayed the captive nations would one day be free, we were not going to risk a world war, or a nuclear war, to achieve it. Period.

      In 1991, President Bush told Ukrainians that any declaration of independence from Moscow would be an act of “suicidal nationalism.”

      Today, Beltway hawks want to bring Ukraine into NATO. This would mean that America would go to war with Russia, if necessary, to preserve an independence Bush I regarded as “suicidal.”

      Have we lost our minds?
      http://fredoneverything.org/hillary-...in-washington/

      A point that the tofu ferocities of New York might bear in mind is that wars seldom turn out as expected, usually with godawful results. We do not know what would happen in a war with Russia. Permit me a tedious catalog to make this point. It is very worth making.

      When Washington pushed the South into the Civil War, it expected a conflict that might be over in twenty-four hours, not four years with as least 650,000 dead. When Germany began WWI, it expected a swift lunge into Paris, not four years of hideously bloody static war followed by unconditional surrender. When the Japanese Army pushed for attacking Pearl, it did not foresee GIs marching in Tokyo and a couple of cities glowing at night. When Hitler invaded Poland, utter defeat and occupation of Germany was not among his war aims. When the US invaded Vietnam, it did not expect to be outfought and outsmarted by a bush-world country. When Russia invaded Afghanistan it did not expect…nor when America invaded Afghanistan, nor when it attacked Iraq, nor….

      Is there a pattern here?

      The standard American approach to war is to underestimate the enemy, overestimate American capacities, and misunderstand the kind of war it enters. This is particularly true when the war is a manhood ritual for masculine inadequates–think Kristol, Podhoretz, Sanders, the whole Neocon milk bar, and that mendacious wreck, Hillary, who has the military grasp of a Shetland pony. If you don’t think weak egos and perpetual adolescence have a part in deciding policy, read up on Kaiser Wilhelm.

      Now, if Washington accidentally or otherwise provoked a war with Russia in, say, the Baltics or the Ukraine, and actually used its own forces, where might this lead, given the Pentagon’s customary delusional optimism? A very serious possibility is a humiliating American defeat. The US has not faced a real enemy in a long time. In that time the armed forces have been feminized and social-justice warriorified, with countless officials having been appointed by Obama for reasons of race and sex. Training has been watered down to benefit girl soldiers, physical standards lowered, and the ranks of general officers filled with perfumed political princes. Russia is right there at the Baltic borders: location, location, location. Somebody said, “Amateurs think strategy, professionals think logistics.” Uh-huh. The Russians are not pansies and they are not primitive.


    1. enhanced_deficit's Avatar
      enhanced_deficit -
      This is highly troubling, regardless of which party you support.
      It would be especially problematic considering his recent statements about SWCs Obama and Hillary.

      BTW, did he say if there would be any difference in housing arrangements/rights afforded under his "unconstitutional plans" for Americans he sees as having real vs fake birther certificates?

      Donald Trump Again Implicitly Accuses Barack Obama of Treason
      http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...reason/487034/
      Jun 14, 2016

      Donald Trump on 'lock her up' chant: 'I'm starting to agree'
      http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/29/politi...p-lock-her-up/

      Trump calls Hillary Clinton 'founder of ISIS,' crowd cheers 'lock her up'
      https://www.rt.com/usa/354562-trump-...-isis-founder/
      Aug 4, 2016

      Donald Trump: I meant that Obama founded ISIS, literally
      http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/11/.../do...a-founder-isis



      National leaders teams need to wake up and stop him before this goes too far.
    1. robert68's Avatar
      robert68 -
      Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
      It's the truth. The Doomsday clock is 3 minutes to midnight. As crazy as it sounds, Donald Trump may be the lone obstacle to World War.

      Hillary and the Neocons will be left unopposed to force Russia into a first strike position if she triumphs in November. The Never Trump people can enjoy their subterranean existence arguing about Gitmo and Emminent Domain.
      ...
      If Hillary wins what country will you be moving to for safety from the "Doomsay"? Have you got your passport(s) and made all the provisions?
    1. robert68's Avatar
      robert68 -
      ..
    1. Ender's Avatar
      Ender -
      Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
      If you're primarily voting on GITMO or trangender bathrooms, then you have some real issues.

      The big ticket items are where a shrewd individual bases his or her vote on. Relations with Russia, Trade, Illegal Immigration.................. Things that will decide the future of the country in 20 years.
      Sorry, but GITMO or trangender bathrooms are not even in the same political universe.

      Taking the last of individual rights away leaves us nothing; not caring if your neighbor can be suddenly disappeared to GITMO is completely contrary to everything we believe in and why freedom is so important. The devil's in the details and there is no way to ignore this issue.

      It is deadly to every American.
    1. cindy25's Avatar
      cindy25 -
      think long term. Trump can be restrained by Congress, but Hillary could not. the Dems take SCOTUS, bring single payer, and start more wars. and if Trump loses the GOP candidate in 2020 would be a neo-con. if Trump wins, Rand is viable in 2020
    1. CPUd's Avatar
      CPUd -
      Quote Originally Posted by cindy25 View Post
      think long term. Trump can be restrained by Congress, but Hillary could not. the Dems take SCOTUS, bring single payer, and start more wars. and if Trump loses the GOP candidate in 2020 would be a neo-con. if Trump wins, Rand is viable in 2020
      Trump supports single-payer, too:




      And he has no problem with foreign intervention, as long as he can take the oil:

    1. Anti-Neocon's Avatar
      Anti-Neocon -
      Quote Originally Posted by cindy25 View Post
      think long term. Trump can be restrained by Congress, but Hillary could not. the Dems take SCOTUS, bring single payer, and start more wars. and if Trump loses the GOP candidate in 2020 would be a neo-con. if Trump wins, Rand is viable in 2020
      If you want a liberty candidate to be viable, you should probably start by not having an incumbent in the Republican Party. Unless your plan is for Rand, someone who doesn't even show interest in running as it is, to leave his party to run as a Libertarian or something.
    1. John F Kennedy III's Avatar
      John F Kennedy III -
      If you want a real libertarian candidate, RON Paul 2020.
    1. adissa's Avatar
      adissa -
      Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
      It's true. Whatever happened to "all is fair in war?"
    1. CaptUSA's Avatar
      CaptUSA -
      At least he wants to give 'em a trial.

      He's really softening his positions. He may have just lost me. We are supposed to KILL Americans who are suspected of terrorism. What's this crap about tribunals?!!

      /sarc


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