Longtime TPP Supporter Mike Pence Now Says It’s Like Obamacare

Yes, Pence is for globalist trade deals and he is wrong. Here's the thing though, CPU, your guy Johnson is for TPP and he is the presidential candidate. Pence is a VP candidate and can't sign off on legislation. Johnson can.

I trust that helps you.

NOTE: This is an answer to a question CPU asked me to answer here, when I refused to help him in his attempted derailment of a thread about Johnson. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6275184

Originally Posted by LibertyEagle

Yes, Pence is for globalist trade deals and he is wrong. Here's the thing though, CPU, your guy Johnson is for TPP and he is the presidential candidate. Pence is a VP candidate and can't sign off on legislation. Johnson can.

I trust that helps you.

Why are you talking about Johnson? This thread was about Mike Pence. Please read the thread titles before posting.

Originally Posted by CPUd

Why are you talking about Johnson? This thread was about Mike Pence. Please read the thread titles before posting.

If you'd look at the post above yours, I addressed that. I must say that this really brings to light a lot about you, since you just got through linking to this thread and asking me to answer your question in another thread, here. What does that say about you, do you think, when you try to make people think that I just popped in here talking about Pence? When the fact is that you provided the link and specifically asked me to.

I think we can safely assume if Trumppence got elected, Pence would be the one pulling the strings. Unlike other candidates, there have been reports directly from his inner circle that this looks to be the case:

How Donald Trump Picked His Running Mate
Trump Adviser: Trump Will Outsource Being President to His VP

Originally Posted by LibertyEagle

If you'd look at the post above yours, I addressed that. I must say that this really brings to light a lot about you, since you just got through linking to this thread and asking me to answer your question in another thread, here. What does that say about you, do you think, when you try to make people think that I just popped in here talking about Pence? When the fact is that you provided the link and specifically asked me to.

I'm not trying to make people think anything. They can read for themselves.

Originally Posted by CPUd

I think we can safely assume if Trumppence got elected, Pence would be the one pulling the strings. Unlike other candidates, there have been reports directly from his inner circle that this looks to be the case:

That would be YOU. Not "we".

You are quoting Kasich in your first article. And twisting what Mannafort said in your second.

Pitiful. Really.

Originally Posted by Chester Copperpot

Because youre anti-trump rhetoric is so over the top, all the time, everybody knows its bull$#@!..

Even if your posts are true, you are so horribly skewed that your sincerity and integrity on the topic of Trump cannot be believed unless further confirmed by other sources.

I understand there are issues with Trump.. Everybody here whos a libertarian understands that and knows... However look at it this way.. We know all these hacks in DC have been brainwashed and programmed in globalism, keynesianism, etc etc etc.. With Trump here theres a chance to get some of that de-programmed.. And if that means that Mike Pence has come around, then im all for it.

Im more disturbed how a Libertarian - so called like Johnson could be FOR TPP.. I might have voted for him but not now... Austin Petersen should have gotten the nod

Part of the problem is that whatever Trump says cannot be believed because it is often contradictory to what he has said previously, sometimes in the same interview. But now we have a guy Pence who is saying things like he would pass the TPP to find out what's in it. How is that any different from what exists now?

The programming is continuing as always, no matter who gets elected. When someone says they refuse to look at something, based on where it came from, that's because of the programming. I posted some relatively neutral comments in the DNC thread, and there are people jumping on it like i was going to go out and start campaigning for them. When you automatically dismiss everything coming from one side of it, that's how they know they have you, because then you are receptive to whatever BS coming from the other side.

Originally Posted by CPUd

I think we can safely assume if Trumppence got elected, Pence would be the one pulling the strings. Unlike other candidates, there have been reports directly from his inner circle that this looks to be the case:

How Donald Trump Picked His Running Mate
Trump Adviser: Trump Will Outsource Being President to His VP

Lol who believes this $#@!?

Edit: didn't you get called on it and you started to back track? Short memory. Not good.

Originally Posted by CPUd

I'm not trying to make people think anything. They can read for themselves.

Good that you clarified. As in you said we should listen to LE since no one is gona go thread searching.

Originally Posted by silverhandorder

Lol who believes this $#@!?

Edit: didn't you get called on it and you started to back track? Short memory. Not good.

- ignore the content
- attack the source
- attack the messenger

Not good.

Originally Posted by CPUd

- ignore the content
- attack the source
- attack the messenger

Not good.

What content? I don't consider compromised messengers as generators of relevant content. Maybe you should work at restoring your reputation.

There certainly appears to be a grand disconnect within the minds of the Trump supporters on this.

I mean, one of their biggest points of disagreement with Gary Johnson is that he supports free trade, and has even said he's willing to sign TPP. To be sure, there are problems with this.

But then, the very first - and only - thing that Trump has actually done besides talk about things is put Mike Pence on his ticket. A huge advocate for this specific trade deal.

It would seem that if you judge people by their actions instead of their words, that they would hold it against Trump at least equally, if not more so.

Originally Posted by CaptUSA

There certainly appears to be a grand disconnect within the minds of the Trump supporters on this.

I mean, one of their biggest points of disagreement with Gary Johnson is that he supports free trade, and has even said he's willing to sign TPP. To be sure, there are problems with this.

But then, the very first - and only - thing that Trump has actually done besides talk about things is put Mike Pence on his ticket. A huge advocate for this specific trade deal.

It would seem that if you judge people by their actions instead of their words, that they would hold it against Trump at least equally, if not more so.

Yes, and the circumstances surrounding the Pence pick sound like he would have rather gone with Christie. If his hand could be forced like this, imagine what would happen when the real operators start leaning on him.

Originally Posted by CaptUSA

There certainly appears to be a grand disconnect within the minds of the Trump supporters on this.

I mean, one of their biggest points of disagreement with Gary Johnson is that he supports free trade, and has even said he's willing to sign TPP. To be sure, there are problems with this.

But then, the very first - and only - thing that Trump has actually done besides talk about things is put Mike Pence on his ticket. A huge advocate for this specific trade deal.

It would seem that if you judge people by their actions instead of their words, that they would hold it against Trump at least equally, if not more so.

He did more than that. He protected Corey and his speech writer. He attacked the media. He opposed the war in the heartland of Bush support. I could go on.

Wow, why is CPUd supporting Mike Pence all of a sudden?? ...and is that allowed here

Originally Posted by Chester Copperpot

Also I want to point out that part of Trump's strategy is to not show his hand and in a negotiation to steer things so he can make the move to win.

Ive only read one of Trum's books - "The Art of the Comeback".. And it was many years ago.. Anyway one of the things he bragged about in that book was negotiations with his casino bond holders and how he dangled the threat of bankruptcy over their heads to make them concede to lower interest and principal abatements.. Then he bragged how he would NEVER do a bankruptcy because it would tarnish the Trump name.

of course as soon as I read that I knew that that was Trump's way of setting up misinformation so the next time he had to negotiate they would be convinced he would NOT declare bankruptcy - and declare bankruptcy would be exactly what he would do - thereby winning the negotiations yet again.

So let him do his thing for America. I definitely dont agree on the civil rights or big hand of govt but hes the best guy to get the country's finances back in order and fix alot of these bull$#@! globalist trade deals, unnecessary wars etc etc

Not so sure Trump is as economically astute as he claims to be:
Trump: U.S. can never default because it prints money
Trump Tells Donors He Wants Mnuchin for Treasury, Fortune Says

Originally Posted by LibertyEagle

Yes, Pence is for globalist trade deals and he is wrong.

Actually it appears Pence had a long conversation with Donald Trump and Trump convinced him to change his mind on the issue. Good for him.

Still not sure why CPUd wants everybody to know about it I mean, you would think somebody who supported Hillary not that long ago would be ok with other people changing their mind about political issues, so certainly CPUd has no problem with Pence changing his mind on the issue. CPUd must want us all to know that Pence is against the TPP now

Originally Posted by dannno

Actually it appears Pence had a long conversation with Donald Trump and Trump convinced him to change his mind on the issue. Good for him.

Yeah, I can just imagine that conversation...

"Ok, Mike. Sit down. Listen, I'm trying to be President, Ok. The people, Mike. They don't like this TPP thing. You need to say you don't support it."
"Well, yeah, but the guys who fund my campaigns really think this wil..."
"Enough, Mike. It's over. TPP is out. Ok? The people think I'm great on this. They don't like TPP, OK? We can call it something else after the election."
"You have no idea what TPP is, do you?"
"Doesn't matter, Mike. Do you want to be fired? They think I'm bringing back jobs. Yours can be first."
"I'll just tell 'em we had a conversation about it."