• TSA blames you for longer lines at airport security checkpoints

    http://nbc4i.com/2016/05/13/tsa-blam...y-checkpoints/

    By NBC4 Staff and Associated Press Published: May 13, 2016, 2:48 pm Updated: May 16, 2016, 5:36 pm

    WASHINGTON (WCMH/AP) — Facing a growing backlash over extremely long airport security lines, Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson on Friday asked fliers “to be patient” as the government takes steps to get them onto planes more quickly.

    Travelers across the country have endured lengthy lines, some snaking up and down escalators, or through food courts, and into terminal lobbies. At some airports, lines during peak hours have topped 90 minutes. Airlines have reported holding planes at gates to wait for passengers to clear security.

    Johnson said the government has a plan to deal with the lines but won’t neglect its duty to stop terrorists.

    “Our job is to keep the American people safe,” Johnson told reporters at a news conference. “We’re not going to compromise aviation security in the face of this.”


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    1. Danke's Avatar
      Danke -
      Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
      Would not be the same population density and it does not provide the same psychological impact or elicit the same irrationally heightened response in fear.





      A lot of public venues have large crowds.
    1. Anti Federalist's Avatar
      Anti Federalist -
      Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
      Would not be the same population density and it does not provide the same psychological impact or elicit the same irrationally heightened response in fear.
      Yep, that.

      Frankly, I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.
    1. phill4paul's Avatar
      phill4paul -
      Someone I know just did round trip out of state. From smaller airport. Just a carryon and (1) personal item (another bag). She was "red carded", I hadn't heard of this, which is a random card that allows the passenger to move through without the search. When she got back she was unpacking her bag and felt one of the pockets. Thinking she didn't put anything in there she looked in it. She found a glass smoking bowl and a tiny bit of weed that must have been in there for two years or more. Lol. That might have ended her trip real quick.
    1. pcosmar's Avatar
      pcosmar -
      Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
      Well it's certainly not the TSA's fault, they hire only this country's best & brightest
      doing the jobs real Americans won't do.
    1. Brian4Liberty's Avatar
      Brian4Liberty -
      Probably not related at all, but many people now carry on all their luggage to avoid airline fees for checked bags. Nah, that couldn't be it. Economic incentives and punishments never effect human behavior, and certainly not in ways unanticipated by central planners.
    1. sam1952's Avatar
      sam1952 -
      Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
      Someone I know just did round trip out of state. From smaller airport. Just a carryon and (1) personal item (another bag). She was "red carded", I hadn't heard of this, which is a random card that allows the passenger to move through without the search. When she got back she was unpacking her bag and felt one of the pockets. Thinking she didn't put anything in there she looked in it. She found a glass smoking bowl and a tiny bit of weed that must have been in there for two years or more. Lol. That might have ended her trip real quick.
      Myself was surprised when my carry on went through the x-ray machine and they curiously looked at it few times. they pulled it off the line and fumbled around then the agent pulled out a loaded .380 magazine much to my surprise. They looked at me I looked at them and thought oh $#@!, they're going to strip search me then who knows what else.

      They asked why it was there and did I have the gun it went to. I explained as I drove to FL I separated my magazine from my firearm going through non-recipratory states and left the magazzine in my suitcase. No I did not have the gun.

      Honestly this is where things got weird. They confiscated the magazine and ammunition but returned my leather mag holder. They ran my drivers license, asked a few questions about small towns in my area that only a local would know. This all took about 5 minutes. I was told I would receive a letter and not to ignore it. I was at my gate and headed home.

      All in all I was surprised and impressed with the experience (not what everyone was expecting I know). Six months later I received a letter from TSA giving me a list of prohibited items and a warning.

      I then applied for pre-check and received it which I was doubtful about qualifying for... go figure
    1. ZENemy's Avatar
      ZENemy -
      What we allow is what will continue.
    1. DamianTV's Avatar
      DamianTV -
    1. juleswin's Avatar
      juleswin -
      Quote Originally Posted by Bryan View Post
      I've been talking about this with some people. The leading thought is that they want the long lines to increase sign-ups for the PreCheck program. Long term, you'll be a second class citizen if you don't sign up.

      To sign up for PreCheck you have to be fingerprinted, pay an $85 fee and provide other documentation.
      Never gonna happen with me. I still make them pat me down whenever I fly, I also make sure to be at the airport at least 2 hrs before my flight and this is even with national flights
    1. DamianTV's Avatar
      DamianTV -
      Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
      Never gonna happen with me. I still make them pat me down whenever I fly, I also make sure to be at the airport at least 2 hrs before my flight and this is even with national flights
      Illusion of Convenience where being "unregistered" and "free" is very inconvenient.
    1. TheTexan's Avatar
      TheTexan -
      Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
      doing the jobs real Americans won't do.
      While passing through security the other day, I heard someone thank the TSA employee for doing what he does.

      I meant to find that guy and thank him for thanking the TSA agent but I couldnt find him.
    1. timosman's Avatar
      timosman -
      Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
      While passing through security the other day, I heard someone thank the TSA employee for doing what he does.

      I meant to find that guy and thank him for thanking the TSA agent but I couldnt find him.
      It might have been a display of sarcasm.
    1. TheTexan's Avatar
      TheTexan -
      Quote Originally Posted by sam1952 View Post
      Myself was surprised when my carry on went through the x-ray machine and they curiously looked at it few times. they pulled it off the line and fumbled around then the agent pulled out a loaded .380 magazine much to my surprise. They looked at me I looked at them and thought oh $#@!, they're going to strip search me then who knows what else.

      They asked why it was there and did I have the gun it went to. I explained as I drove to FL I separated my magazine from my firearm going through non-recipratory states and left the magazzine in my suitcase. No I did not have the gun.

      Honestly this is where things got weird. They confiscated the magazine and ammunition but returned my leather mag holder. They ran my drivers license, asked a few questions about small towns in my area that only a local would know. This all took about 5 minutes. I was told I would receive a letter and not to ignore it. I was at my gate and headed home.

      All in all I was surprised and impressed with the experience (not what everyone was expecting I know). Six months later I received a letter from TSA giving me a list of prohibited items and a warning.

      I then applied for pre-check and received it which I was doubtful about qualifying for... go figure
      What a nice story! I hope you sent them a thank you letter, for the pleasant experience they were able to provide.
    1. sam1952's Avatar
      sam1952 -
      Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
      What a nice story! I hope you sent them a thank you letter, for the pleasant experience they were able to provide.
      They are on my Christmas card list
    1. Mani's Avatar
      Mani -
      “Our job is to keep the American people safe,” Johnson told reporters at a news conference. “We’re not going to compromise aviation security in the face of this.”

      Because the TSA has thwarted so many attacks in the past decade right??
    1. Mani's Avatar
      Mani -
      Quote Originally Posted by ghengis86 View Post
      That's what I always thought. Hell, I thought that about the Brussels airport a few years back and looks like the turrist thought the same thing and went and did it.
      Some of the asian airports I have visited you cant even get into the airport without a valid boarding pass and passport, and at the very entrance there is an xray machine just to get into the airport.

      In terms of keeping travelers and planes safe, that seemed to be a more effective measure...
    1. Mani's Avatar
      Mani -
      Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
      "Travelers across the country have endured lengthy lines, some snaking up and down escalators..."

      How does one line up on an escalator?


      While after several trips to Japan I will agree with the sentiment they are well known for their efficiency and good customer service, pretty top notch overall, however, my very first trip to Japan was a rather scary moment. After deplaning and walking around for a bit the 200+ passengers followed the signs up the escalator. At the TOP of the escalator less than 10 feet away was a gate. The metal shutter was not open so people stood in front of it and waited......within a few seconds the entire top of the escalator was full of people waiting for the gate to open, but there's another 100 people being brought up the escalator. It got pretty crazy for a few seconds as people starting piling into each other and there was no way to stop it as you'd look below and there's still 100 people coming up the escalator. Thankfully the gate opened before it became true carnage of bodies piling on, people being tossed off the escalator or falling down. It looked like it was about to be a massive train wreck.


      Here I am halfway up the escalator and I see people slamming into each other at the top, people starting to scream as they can't stop themselves from going forward while they see a wall a people in front of them. There's no more room at the top but tons of people keep piling on. WOW, that was a freaky experience. Almost death by escalator. Felt like Lemmings falling off a cliff.
    1. jbauer's Avatar
      jbauer -
      Quote Originally Posted by sam1952 View Post
      They are on my Christmas card list
      You do know that Christmas is now a terrorism word right?
    1. sam1952's Avatar
      sam1952 -
      No, I didn't know that. Learn something new every day. Damn, i'm flying tomorrow too. Hope I didn't loose my pre-check.

      Somebody better tell Charlie Brown, poor kid
    1. Danke's Avatar
      Danke -
      Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
      While passing through security the other day, I heard someone thank the TSA employee for doing what he does.

      I meant to find that guy and thank him for thanking the TSA agent but I couldnt find him.
      That was probably me, I always thank the TSA agents.


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