• Feds announce final e-cigarette rule that nearly bans them

    Electronic cigarettes and premium cigars will now be regulated the same way as tobacco cigarettes and regular cigars, according to a new federal rule issued on Thursday.

    Under the rule, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration would have to approve all tobacco products not currently regulated that hit stores after February 2007. The e-cigarette industry was virtually non-existent before then.

    Premium, hand-rolled cigars would also be included in the new regulation.This final rule also prohibits the sale of "covered tobacco products" to individuals under the age of 18 and requires the display of health warnings on cigarette tobacco, roll-your own tobacco, and covered tobacco product packages and in advertisements.

    The Tobacco Control Act of 2009 sets February 15, 2007, as the latest date by which all tobacco products would have to have to be grandfathered in. Mitch Zeller, head of the FDA's Center for Tobacco Products, has said publicly that he couldn't choose a later date, although industry officials disagree.

    That means nearly all every e-cigarette on the market — and every different flavor and nicotine level — would require a separate application for federal approval. Each application could cost $1 million or more, says Jeff Stier, an e-cigarette advocate with the National Center for Public Policy Research and industry officials.
    An amendment to appropriations legislation working its way through the House would change the date so more e-cigarettes would be grandfathered in.

    The proposed rule was released more than two years ago in April 2014 and the final rule gives the industry two additional years to comply. The industry will have had "plenty of time to submit their applications," says Robin Koval, CEO of the Truth Initiative, an anti-tobacco health group.

    Koval says "it's perfectly reasonable" that people should know what's in something that "you inhale into your lungs."
    Industry experts say treating e-cigarettes, which don't contain tobacco, the same as cigarettes could lead to such onerous and costly approval that all but the largest tobacco companies would be forced out of the market — and possibly those companies too.(Cui bono-Who helped write the legislation? p4p)
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...them/83951786/


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      puppetmaster -
      Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
      I'm thinking about getting a gallon of the 100mg/ml VG to put in the freezer just in case.......

      https://www.nudenicotine.com/product...ed-shelf-life/
      Great idea. Lasts a long time.
    1. puppetmaster's Avatar
      puppetmaster -
      Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
      PG gives me sores on my lips, even 10%.......
      propylene sucks imho.
    1. dannno's Avatar
      dannno -
      Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
      Where would you get the nicotine, Danno?
      From a person willing to pay $1 million, I suppose..

      The idea is it doesn't make sense to pay $1 million for every flavor, so you sell the flavors without nicotine so they aren't under the regulation - but then certain brands may be willing to pay the fee to sell the nicotine that people will need.

      It's stupid because the nicotine is extremely toxic when it is concentrated, although you could get the VG/PG blended in with it already and that could be a $1 million product, not sure if they would have to pay $1 million for each level of concentration..
    1. r3volution 3.0's Avatar
      r3volution 3.0 -
      ...they just do not stop having yankees in Washington.
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      jbauer -
      Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
      Call your Congressman. I just did. Look guys, it can't hurt and just might help.
      Did you give a large re-election donation with your call?
    1. jbauer's Avatar
      jbauer -
      Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
      I'm thinking about getting a gallon of the 100mg/ml VG to put in the freezer just in case.......

      https://www.nudenicotine.com/product...ed-shelf-life/
      So I don't smoke or "vap". How long does a gallon of the stuff last? Are we talking days, weeks, months? I could see if 25 gallons might get you through to go ahead and get it done. However, if we're talking 100s of gallons of the stuff it might be easier to figure a post-ban way around it all.
    1. tod evans's Avatar
      tod evans -
      Quote Originally Posted by jbauer View Post
      So I don't smoke or "vap". How long does a gallon of the stuff last? Are we talking days, weeks, months? I could see if 25 gallons might get you through to go ahead and get it done. However, if we're talking 100s of gallons of the stuff it might be easier to figure a post-ban way around it all.
      The way I'm using juice now a gallon of 100mg would last me 2-3 years if I could keep the hardware going...

      Different devices use juice differently but I'm a noobie and have only purchased and maintained one style of device..

      I did manage to kick a 40+ year tobacco habit using this system.........And if the feds $#@! with vaping as they plan I'll be right back to burning tobacco...
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    1. LibertyEagle's Avatar
      LibertyEagle -
      Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
      Got information on the bill #? Or bill name? Or even a silly email/fax form page I can pass around?

      This is monumentally stupid. I consider the e-cigs to be one of the greatest inventions for positive improvements for health in a long time. I know so many people that gave up smoking and are much healthier as a result.
      I saw it yesterday when I was looking at blogs. Whomever runs into it again should post it.

      And yeah, I agree. This has improved so many people's health, it's hard not to be seriously bummed. I know I am.
    1. Anti Federalist's Avatar
      Anti Federalist -
      I quit cigarettes by vaping years ago...but now, I'm half convinced to grow some of my own tobacco and start smoking again.

      If for nothing else but to stuff pepper up the ass of Uncle, and the pantywaist pussies who faint dead away at the very hint of a whiff of tobacco smoke, as if you just blew a cloud of plutonium vapor in their faces.

      Couldn't think of two groups of people I would more like to give a collective and hearty "$#@! $#@!ing you" to.
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      Anti Federalist -
      Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
      DW and myself have personally bought e-cig setups and juice for 5 different friends who otherwise wouldn't have put out the cash to try it. All 5 of them gave up cigs completely and 2 don't even vape anymore either.
      Yah, that was me.

      Vaped for about 6 months and gave that up too.
    1. presence's Avatar
      presence -
      Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
      DW and myself have personally bought e-cig setups and juice for 5 different friends who otherwise wouldn't have put out the cash to try it. All 5 of them gave up cigs completely and 2 don't even vape anymore either.
      I think we see the necessity of regulating this anti legal addiction drug then.
    1. specsaregood's Avatar
      specsaregood -
      Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
      I think we see the necessity of regulating this anti legal addiction drug then.
      Exactly, who else is gonna fund slush funds for the schools? Think of the children.
    1. Tinnuhana's Avatar
      Tinnuhana -
      Speaking as someone who's extremely allergic to tobacco smoke, it has been nice sharing meals and conversation with people vaping when otherwise, I'd have to be in a different room or building.
      Maybe when they deschedule MJ at the end of the year, the tobacco growers will switch to that and...nah, we lose no matter what. Does anyone think this is a test run for how they'll regulate cannabis when the time comes?
    1. puppetmaster's Avatar
      puppetmaster -
      looks like they will eventually ban tobacco plants and its derivatives.....and legalize smoking weed....??

      Looks also like they are banning pipe tobacco brands that were not in production before 07.... This is a home run for the cigarette brands and a big tax increase for the gov.
    1. opal's Avatar
      opal -
      Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
      So how many more days do those of us who vape have to order juice?
      Is it just the juice or the gear too? The place I get my batteries from (proprietary threading but I like them) has a mothers day sale starting tomorrow..was gonna stock up anyway.

      Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
      I've always heard that it was better to get PG to freeze and then if you want, use VG to cut it later.
      VG girl here too.. can't handle the PG juice.

      I have tried mixing my own.. the results are never the same. This really blows.
      There are several places that sell max VG juice - up to I think .36 mg nic in larger bottles 250 ml I think is the size.
      It does loose flavor after a while - even in the freezer.

      If we get a president that gets rid of the FDA.. all their regs go too I hope
    1. Anti Federalist's Avatar
      Anti Federalist -
      Quote Originally Posted by opal View Post
      If we get a president that gets rid of the FDA.. all their regs go too I hope
      You have a better chance of seeing god.
    1. opal's Avatar
      opal -
      ok.. I found the document.. have it downloaded as a pdf. It's 1.7 MB so I think it's probably too big to attach and I'm going to try and paste it in.. wish me luck

      ok. .it's 495 pages long.. some how I think even if it did work.. the reading is too dry

      if anyone has thoughts where to upload so anyone that wants to read it can.. feel free - I'll try
    1. LibertyEagle's Avatar
      LibertyEagle -
      CASAA is asking us to contact our Congressmen and ask them to support HR 2058.


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