• Feds announce final e-cigarette rule that nearly bans them

    Electronic cigarettes and premium cigars will now be regulated the same way as tobacco cigarettes and regular cigars, according to a new federal rule issued on Thursday.

    Under the rule, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration would have to approve all tobacco products not currently regulated that hit stores after February 2007. The e-cigarette industry was virtually non-existent before then.

    Premium, hand-rolled cigars would also be included in the new regulation.This final rule also prohibits the sale of "covered tobacco products" to individuals under the age of 18 and requires the display of health warnings on cigarette tobacco, roll-your own tobacco, and covered tobacco product packages and in advertisements.

    The Tobacco Control Act of 2009 sets February 15, 2007, as the latest date by which all tobacco products would have to have to be grandfathered in. Mitch Zeller, head of the FDA's Center for Tobacco Products, has said publicly that he couldn't choose a later date, although industry officials disagree.

    That means nearly all every e-cigarette on the market — and every different flavor and nicotine level — would require a separate application for federal approval. Each application could cost $1 million or more, says Jeff Stier, an e-cigarette advocate with the National Center for Public Policy Research and industry officials.
    An amendment to appropriations legislation working its way through the House would change the date so more e-cigarettes would be grandfathered in.

    The proposed rule was released more than two years ago in April 2014 and the final rule gives the industry two additional years to comply. The industry will have had "plenty of time to submit their applications," says Robin Koval, CEO of the Truth Initiative, an anti-tobacco health group.

    Koval says "it's perfectly reasonable" that people should know what's in something that "you inhale into your lungs."
    Industry experts say treating e-cigarettes, which don't contain tobacco, the same as cigarettes could lead to such onerous and costly approval that all but the largest tobacco companies would be forced out of the market — and possibly those companies too.(Cui bono-Who helped write the legislation? p4p)
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...them/83951786/


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    1. Matt Collins's Avatar
      Matt Collins -
      Reason has a good article on it explaining the details:


      http://reason.com/blog/2016/05/05/fd...ban-on-e-cigar



      The FDA can go suck on a cancer stick.



      My question is, what counts as "flavored" cigars?
    1. LibertyEagle's Avatar
      LibertyEagle -
      Call your Congressman. I just did. Look guys, it can't hurt and just might help.
    1. FindLiberty's Avatar
      FindLiberty -
      Yet another classic tale of unintended regulation consequences:

      Tidy profits for a few friends and death for everyone else who
      tries to resist or happens to become a physical victim (life/limb) or
      is ruined through financial drain and/or prison.

      Very sad.
    1. dannno's Avatar
      dannno -
      Quote Originally Posted by wizardwatson View Post
      It is bad. And it's about nothing other than money.

      I'm probably just going to quit. Just glad have a couple years. I thought at first the ban was immediate.

      I've been vaping almost 3 years I think after being an on-again off-again smoker, and really the cheapness is an incentive to stay vaping. It is a crappy thing for ex-smokers as a whole, but for me, I've been on the fence anyway. Kansas is already planning to tax it anyway, and now that it's regulated like tobacco likely all 50 states will tax them like they tax cigarettes at around $6 per 30ml bottle or more.

      Anyway, just another crappy thing that makes me wish the apocalypse would hurry up and come and end this insanity.

      How would they tax online sales?

      https://artisanvaper.com/ has e-juice for $35/250ml - $25/250ml during sales.

      A lot of other places are starting to come down in price too.
    1. dannno's Avatar
      dannno -
      This is definitely a bad direction to go, it will make it much more difficult for people to quit smoking cigs and get into vaping, but I don't think it is going to ruin it for those who it has become a hobby. People here who are saying, "oh, I'm going to quit because the government.." aren't really considering the full impact of where the market is going to go once these regulations are in place.

      You will probably be able to continue to buy hardware from China, and like I said e-juice you can get locally with no nic and then add the nic yourself.
    1. wizardwatson's Avatar
      wizardwatson -
      Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
      How would they tax online sales?

      https://artisanvaper.com/ has e-juice for $35/250ml - $25/250ml during sales.

      A lot of other places are starting to come down in price too.
      Well, cig taxes aren't paid by retailer. The states (currently) force the manufacturers to buy stamps. Then the state enforcers spy on retailers making sure all cigs are stamped.

      Kansas currently has a law to tax juice that goes into effect next month, but as far as I know they still don't know how they are going to do it. I assume these new FDA rules are in light of that. Get all the small timers out then it's easier to tax the manufacturers that remain. So my guess is the taxmasters and big tobacco are shooting to put the taxes in place in a few years everywhere.

      Right now, I agree, it's pretty unworkable.
    1. GunnyFreedom's Avatar
      GunnyFreedom -
    1. puppetmaster's Avatar
      puppetmaster -
      Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
      just like EVERY other industry
      the big companies push these regs. to block competition....a protection racket...racketeering by our gov.. $#@! them this crap is just going to make me more money
    1. puppetmaster's Avatar
      puppetmaster -
      All you need is a base liquid and add flavors after you buy.
    1. bunklocoempire's Avatar
      bunklocoempire -
      Protecting my rights again, eh? No, no you're not.
    1. tod evans's Avatar
      tod evans -
      Quote Originally Posted by puppetmaster View Post
      All you need is a base liquid and add flavors after you buy.
      I'm thinking about getting a gallon of the 100mg/ml VG to put in the freezer just in case.......

      https://www.nudenicotine.com/product...ed-shelf-life/
    1. TomtheTinker's Avatar
      TomtheTinker -
      black market $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    1. Uriel999's Avatar
      Uriel999 -
      Quote Originally Posted by younglibertarian View Post
      Sickening. Will this government intrusion ever end?

      Funny how members of the US military can buy cigs for 10-20% lower prices and no taxes in the oversea bases.

      Then again hypocrisy has always been rampant.
      Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
      I'm thinking about getting a gallon of the 100mg/ml VG to put in the freezer just in case.......

      https://www.nudenicotine.com/product...ed-shelf-life/
      Welcome to the world of prepping.

      May I suggest you join www.survivalistboards.com.
    1. Slave Mentality's Avatar
      Slave Mentality -
      Nothing left to do really, but enjoy what you can without being put in a cage and hope for a meteorite the size of Africa to rain its sweet relief down on our stupid ass species. Apes with nukes.
    1. LibertyEagle's Avatar
      LibertyEagle -
      Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
      I'm thinking about getting a gallon of the 100mg/ml VG to put in the freezer just in case.......

      https://www.nudenicotine.com/product...ed-shelf-life/
      I've always heard that it was better to get PG to freeze and then if you want, use VG to cut it later.
    1. LibertyEagle's Avatar
      LibertyEagle -
      There is legislation in the House right now to push the grandfathering date out beyond 2007. The e-cig orgs are asking that everyone call your Congressman and ask them to support it.
    1. LibertyEagle's Avatar
      LibertyEagle -
      Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
      This is definitely a bad direction to go, it will make it much more difficult for people to quit smoking cigs and get into vaping, but I don't think it is going to ruin it for those who it has become a hobby. People here who are saying, "oh, I'm going to quit because the government.." aren't really considering the full impact of where the market is going to go once these regulations are in place.

      You will probably be able to continue to buy hardware from China, and like I said e-juice you can get locally with no nic and then add the nic yourself.
      Where would you get the nicotine, Danno?
    1. tod evans's Avatar
      tod evans -
      Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
      I've always heard that it was better to get PG to freeze and then if you want, use VG to cut it later.
      PG gives me sores on my lips, even 10%.......
    1. Chomp's Avatar
      Chomp -
      Discriminatory 21 laws against legal adults. So, why not a total ban for e-cigs. Ban the liberals !
    1. Chomp's Avatar
      Chomp -


      Old Soviet poster of 1960s that became a bitter reality in the US today. Translate - Liberty in America -


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