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			<title>Genetic Individualism vs Collectivism Purportedly Discovered</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 13:28:08 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>If, as reported in  this article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113350/Why-individualism-free-thinking-genes-British-people.html), there...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote class="blogcontent restore">If, as reported in  <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113350/Why-individualism-free-thinking-genes-British-people.html" target="_blank">this article</a>, there are genetic influences for individualism vs collectivism, how can we expect individualism to prevail under an open immigration policy?  On what basis can we reasonably claim that atomized individuals will successfully compete for resources against gangs?</blockquote>

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			<title>Your favorite quote...</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 02:35:43 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>“One thing is clear: The Founding Fathers never intended a nation where citizens would pay nearly half of everything they earn to the government.” ...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote class="blogcontent restore">“One thing is clear: The Founding Fathers never intended a nation where citizens would pay nearly half of everything they earn to the government.” <br />
&#8213; Ron Paul<br />
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“Under the United States Constitution, the federal government has no authority to hold states &quot;accountable&quot; for their education performance...In the free society envisioned by the founders, schools are held accountable to parents, not federal bureaucrats.” <br />
&#8213; Ron Paul<br />
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“I'm convinced that you never have to give up liberties to be safe. I think you're less safe when you give up your liberties.” <br />
&#8213; Ron Paul<br />
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“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” <br />
&#8213; Ron Paul, The Revolution: A Manifesto<br />
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“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.” <br />
&#8213; Ron Paul<br />
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“When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.” <br />
&#8213; Ron Paul<br />
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“Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.” <br />
&#8213; Ron Paul<br />
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“It is no coincidence that the century of total war coincided with the century of central banking.” <br />
&#8213; Ron Paul, End the Fed<br />
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&quot;1913 wasn't a very good year. 1913 gave us the income tax, the 16th amendment and the IRS.&quot; <br />
Ron Paul<br />
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&quot;Capitalism should not be condemned, since we haven't had capitalism.&quot; <br />
Ron Paul<br />
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    &quot;In questions of power then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.&quot; - T. Jefferson<br />
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    &quot;I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.&quot; - W. Churchill<br />
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    &quot;When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it - always.&quot; - M. Gandhi <br />
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    &quot;Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.&quot; - H. L. Mencken</blockquote>

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			<title><![CDATA[AF's suggestions for investigating police brutality]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 18:03:03 GMT</pubDate>
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				<div class="message">In the meantime, and thanks once again, specifically Cleaner44 for the web design offer I may take you up on that, there are a number of great sites out there that are doing a bang up job in reporting police abuse.<br />
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Radley Balko's <i>&quot;The Agitator&quot;</i> <a href="http://www.theagitator.com/" target="_blank">http://www.theagitator.com/</a><br />
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I'd also encourage people to read Balko's columns at HuffPo and Reason as well.<br />
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The <b>heroic</b> Will Grigg at <i>&quot;Pro Libertate&quot;</i> <a href="http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/</a> <br />
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Grigg also posts regularly at Lew Rockwell's sites and blog <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/" target="_blank">http://www.lewrockwell.com/</a><br />
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Our own RPF member DavidDee that started <i>&quot;Dog Murderers&quot;</i> <a href="http://www.dogmurderers.com/" target="_blank">http://www.dogmurderers.com/</a><br />
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David Packman's excellent <i>&quot;Injustice Everywhere&quot;</i> site, <a href="http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/" target="_blank">http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/</a> sadly on hiatus until he figures out what, if anything, to do with the site. I still have my name in the hat to take it over, but honestly think, in spite of my differences, that CATO would do a better job. Point is, <b>somebody</b> needs to get it up and running again, keep in mind that the last time government compiled any form of police abuse statistics was over ten years ago, and in spite of Congressional mandates demanding that they do, it has not been done. Only by private efforts like Packman's are there any sort of reliable figures for trending police abuse.<br />
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An effort I have supported over the years, &quot;Strike The Root&quot; <a href="http://strike-the-root.com/" target="_blank">http://strike-the-root.com/</a><br />
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For the more &quot;hard core&quot; the Sipsey Street Irregulars blog <a href="http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/</a><br />
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And David Codrea's <i>&quot;War On Guns&quot;</i> site <a href="http://waronguns.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://waronguns.blogspot.com/</a></div>
			
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			<title>Class Action Law Suit Requiring the RNC to Refund All Presidential Campaign Donations</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 19:30:21 GMT</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote class="blogcontent restore">That the Republican Party is a &quot;private&quot; organization with its own rules doesn't permit it to defraud the public -- not even if that public is its own members.  People have joined the Republican Party and made monetary donations on the reasonable presumption that the RNC would follow its own rules IT HAS ADVERTISED TO THE PUBLIC.  The damages are actual and the fraud deliberate.  Triple damages are due to all who have contributed to Republican candidates for President and the RNC is liable.<br />
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Rule number 11 ( which can be found on page 13 here <a href="http://www.gop.com/images/legal/2008_RULES_Adopted.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.gop.com/images/legal/2008_RULES_Adopted.pdf</a> ) States: <br />
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&quot;(a) The Republican National Committee shall not, without the prior written and filed approval of all members of the Republican National Committee from the state involved, contribute money or in-kind aid to any candidate for any public or party office except the nominee of the Republican Party or a candidate who is unopposed in the Republican primary after the filing<br />
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			<title>dos emulators</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 07:11:49 GMT</pubDate>
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				<div class="message">I hope you know about dosbox, dosemu, etc....<br />
I remember when 95 came out and we all had the same problems.  DirectX was actually written post haste because MS had straight-up neglected to include a 3d library with 95, and the outcry at 1) not being able to run old games and 2) not having any new facilities to write new games was too much for MS to deflect.<br />
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I'm also wondering.... what was so fundamentally wrong with the 3.1 interface that I'm not remembering?  I picked it up in about five minutes, without having an IT degree at the time.  Nowadays there's a 2-week break-in period when I get a new version of windows, and that's usually trying to find some dead simple, 40-year-old functionality which is completely gone.<br />
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Seems like they've started a trend: unnecessarily rewrite the whole window manager in one version, then spend the next version making it actually work.</div>
			
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			<title><![CDATA[Carl Cameron says it's impossible for Paul to win]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 07:27:59 GMT</pubDate>
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				<div class="message">I'm against all unnecessary regulations of any kind. However, a regulation requiring all cable news media to display the following statement should be implemented:<br />
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<b> The host(s) and guest on this program may not be telling the truth. It is up to the viewer to research all facts on their own if he/she wishes to know the truth. This network is not responsible for the masses believing in carefully orchestrated lies designed by us to get said individuals to behave in a certain manner. </b></div>
			
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			<title>A message to the Establishment</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 21:59:49 GMT</pubDate>
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The end has already begun for the donklephant (the supposed "2 party system")...]]></description>
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				<div class="message">It's too late.<br />
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The end has already begun for the donklephant (the supposed &quot;2 party system&quot;) establishment.<br />
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Weather or not Dr. Paul wins the nomination is of no consequence. The Paul campaign and it's supporters are like Navy Seal Team 6 vs the local PTA. We are infinitely more organized, motivated and educated about the election process. We are winning delegates at an exponential rate. We will not compromise on our values when it comes to the convention.<br />
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Our message is liberty. The message is infectious and once infected it is terminal. Once a Ron Paul / Rand Paul / Liberty convert we will NEVER switch back. We, just like the special forces are &quot;force multipliers&quot; we &quot;infect&quot; those around us with the message of liberty and those infected go forth and infect more. The establishment can play it's games and squeeze Ron Paul out of this election, but we have Rand Paul a young man cut from the same cloth that has a VERY VERY long political life ahead of him who we will support in exactly that same way as we have Dr. Paul.<br />
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So you see establishment, it's already over. The liberty infection takes hold at the very nature of all Americans and human beings...there is but one cure and that is to remove our chains and we are picking the locks right now.</div>
			
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			<title>Oklahoma Grassroots share Liberty Pep Rally – May 11th at Remington Park</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 00:21:09 GMT</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote class="blogcontent restore"><div style="text-align: left;">Come join us as we rally for liberty with Tom Woods, Jordan Page, and Jason Rink! Let’s celebrate our growth and success in 2012, and get pumped about taking this movement to the Oklahoma GOP State Convention!</div><br />
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The rally will kick off at 7pm at the Remington Park Casino. Enter at the casino, and go straight back to the left of the escalators to the banquet hall. This event is FREE and open to the public! All ages welcome. There will be a cash bar available.<br />
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Tom Woods is the NY Times bestselling author of “Nullification,” “Meltdown,” and “Rollback.” He is a senior fellow at the Ludwig von Mises Institute, and is frequently interviewed by the likes of Judge Andrew Napolitano, Glenn Beck, and Peter Schiff. Woods is one of the foremost voices for liberty in America today.<br />
<a href="http://www.tomwoods.com/about/" target="_blank">http://www.tomwoods.com/about/<br />
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Jordan Page is a well-known singer/songwriter in the liberty movement, and has opened for Ron Paul on multiple occasions.<br />
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Sandra Crosnoe says:  ”If you do not already know him: Jordan Page is the muse of the movement — in biblical times the praise team went ahead of the battle. Jordan understands this and is at the tip of the sphere! He is a gifted musician also. I shall never forget when we first met and I watched him set the beat for each song. Prepare to be inspired and motivated and blessed on every level of your being.”<br />
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<a href="http://jordanpagemusic.com/index.html" target="_blank">http://jordanpagemusic.com/index.html<br />
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Jason Rink is the author of “Ron Paul: Father of the Tea Party,” and a featured speaker on the Nullify Now tour.<br />
<a href="http://www.jasonrink.com/about/" target="_blank">http://www.jasonrink.com/about/<br />
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<div style="text-align: center;"><b>Please share flyer on your facebook pages, groups, and websites!  <br />
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<b><a href="http://r3publican.wordpress.com/2012/05/05/oklahoma-r3s-share-liberty-pep-rally-may-11th-at-remington-park/" target="_blank">For life and liberty in our land in our time~</a></b><br />
<b>Posted by </b><a href="http://scrosnoe.wordpress.com/" target="_blank"><b>Sandra Crosnoe</b></a><b> for </b><a href="http://r3publican.wordpress.com/" target="_blank"><b>R3publicans</b></a><br />
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				To those &quot;Republicans&quot; who claim that a media-manipulated populace is the way to nominate candidates, let me point out that a republic is not a democracy. You should know that since you are a &quot;Republican&quot; but the reality is that you are a Republican In Name Only. I can now hear Karl Rove object: &quot;But the electoral college's relevance as a Constitutionally republican form of deliberation among the States has long since been abandoned!&quot; There there, my little cherub, I know. But you're ignoring the fact that a general electorate is very different from a party electorate. Ron Paul scores higher against Obama in the general electorate than does Mitt Romney.
			
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			<title>Some Observations - A Copy/Paste Argument I Wrote For You</title>
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				<div class="message">Not only are we a Constitutional Republic, and not a Democracy. But we're a Representative Constitutional Republic. In America, your vote represents your voice. Your vote is also entirely a representation of the policies you support, in the officials you vote for. So, the Obama supporters indeed have some explaining to do for their failure to research policies/legislative records (and for failure to provide a trustworthy President). But, do not think that fellow Republicans &amp; Conservatives are not scrutinized for their failures to provide a decent President (in a while). George W. Bush may have been glorified for many things, and many of these positions are hypocrisy to what America stands for. The Bush supporting Republicans have a lot of explaining to do as well, for getting us involved in a perpetual war that is not within the best interest of the country. Not to mention the Patriot Act, among other things.<br />
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Now, to more recent events. The &quot;Anyone But Obama&quot; people have some explaining to do. In a Representative Republic, your vote represents your voice (as I stated). This means the people jumping on the bandwagon for Mitt Romney, also must advocate the policies that man supports. As well as, being entirely responsible (if he's elected), for any failures to provide a decent candidate.<br />
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This is why the entire &quot;Blindly Following The Party Lines&quot; is a flawed mentality. You don't have to vote Republican or Democrat, and you surely don't have to jump on the Populist Bandwagon of supporting who the GOP is pushing upon you. Yes, I'm a Ron Paul supporter. I will not vote Romney. Why? As I stated, your vote represents your voice. I support the policies that Ron Paul espouses, and I do not support the policies that Obama/Romney advocates. I do not support the suspension of habeas corpus, or assault weapon bans. I do not support the United Nations, or the Federal Reserve. I do not support Federal Healthcare Programs, and a World-Wide Military Empire. These are not positions I support, therefore, I will not support the candidate(s) which advocate those policies.<br />
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Before you proclaim that Ron Paul supporters are the new Ross Perrot supporters. The error in using this argument, is that you presume Ross Perrot wasn't the better candidate (when he was). This implies that the majority was wrong, and not the Ross Perrot supporters. Behaving like you belong in a Democracy, by trying to condemn people who will not blindly fall in line with the mainstream candidate. Is precisely why Ron Paul supporters (a majority of them, anyway), will not fall in line to elect Mitt Romney. Just because the Mitt Romney supporters are the majority, doesn't make them in the right. This is why we're not a Democracy, because the minority can be oppressed by the majority. The folks that are jumping on the &quot;Anyone But Obama&quot; bandwagon, in order to fall behind Mitt Romney. Simply are, behaving like we live in a Democracy. How so? They're trying to lead us by mob rule, by attempting to push the blame on us for not becoming part of their mob. You see this mob blatantly, between the Republicans and Democrats. They point fingers at one another, without holding themselves (and their representatives) accountable for their own actions, failures, and corruption. The two mobs vilify any candidate, and their supporters, which do not adhere to the &quot;mainstream ideology&quot; of what their mob now represents. The mainstreamed majority that exist with the Republicans and Democrats, have simply transitioned into a Mob Rule. This is why it's so difficult to convert individuals that exist as part of the collective mob they originally fell in line with.<br />
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We all know that Ron Paul is the only true Jeffersonian Republican, because his policies speak that philosophy. It's what Republicanism actually meant when this country was founded. We also know the Federalist party was the rival to the Republican Party in the late 1700's and early 1800's (around the era of the Republican Revolution d` 1800). The Federalist party is also where the Democratic Party evolved from. The issue that we're seeing, is that the mainstream Republican policies have slowly transitioned into the equivalent of Federalist Philosophy. The Federal Reserve? Centralized, and many Republicans support it. That's not a Republican belief, simply because, Republicans support decentralization. This is one thing that makes Ron Paul stick out as a true republican. Another would be foreign policy, because military bases are Federal Government institutions. A world-wide military empire contradicts the idea of conservative beliefs, because those are institutions that expand the government. This is one thing that makes Ron Paul stick out as the true Republican as well. Things like Federal Healthcare, are obviously not Republican positions either. Why? It bypasses state governments (also unconstitutional), and goes to the Federal Government. This is also a key sign that Ron Paul is the only true Republican. Foreign Aid is another area in which Ron Paul shows himself to be the only true Republican. Why? Foreign Aid is taken by taxation, and this is siphoned from the people towards the Federal Government. This is also not a Republican position, due to centralizing resources, instead of leaving that personal decision among the people (decentralized). Ron Paul is also the only one willing to abolish Federal Income Tax (not just nibble at the tax code), this is also a Republican position. <br />
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The war on drugs is also hypocritical to Republican beliefs. Why? Firstly, it's Federally Criminalized (thus, bypassing states), which is not a Republican position. It also increases the size of government in order to police drug users, which is also not a Republican position. The war on drugs also takes control out of the hands of the family (Family Values are part of Conservatism), and grants that power to the Government (Families cannot protect their loved ones from the government in this scenario). This is clearly not a Republican position either. Not to mention, the increased taxation in order to fund the expanding police state/government which is required to maintain a war on those same drugs. Which is also not a Republican position, and the war on drugs is clearly not a policy in which Ron Paul supports. Unlike his competitors, this is why Ron Paul is the only real Republican. We can clearly see that the policies supported by Mitt Romney, and other Republican Political Figures, are hypocritical to the Republican Platform.</div>
			
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				<div class="message">You want to persuade a Mormon Romney supporter, or at least get a kernel of doubt about Romney in their mind? Here is an argument and a few links that would help. In Mormon theology we believe that Jesus Christ Himself inspired the Founding Fathers in the writing The Constitution (a few scriptures: <a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/constitution?lang=eng&amp;query=constitution" target="_blank">http://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/con...y=constitution</a>). Ask them if they think it would be important to follow The Constitution if God Himself took teh time to guide the hearts and minds of men to craft the document, gives it His seal of approval in Mormon scripture, and exhorts everyone to follow it saying any law more or less than it &quot;cometh of evil&quot;? When they answer with the obvious &quot;Yes.&quot; then drive home the point that Dr. Paul is much more of a strict adherent to The Constitution than Mitt Romney and show proof of that on both accounts. Make this the linchpin fo your argument and if it doesn't outright convince, it will place doubts, doubts that can latter be capitalized on.<br />
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Also here are other helps. One of these is an addresses by a man who we believe to be a modern apostle who later on became the Prophet of the Church, and its earthly head. His name was Ezra Taft Benson (he even served as Eisenhower's Sec. of Agriculture). One is called &quot;Our Divine Constitution&quot; <a href="http://www.lds.org/general-conference/1987/10/our-divine-constitution?lang=eng" target="_blank">http://www.lds.org/general-conferenc...ution?lang=eng</a> the other is from a man who is currently one of the modern Twelve Apostles (who was also a Utah State Supreme Court Judge too). His name is Dallin H. Oaks. His address is called The Divinely Inspired Constitution&quot; <a href="http://www.lds.org/ensign/1992/02/the-divinely-inspired-constitution?lang=eng" target="_blank">http://www.lds.org/ensign/1992/02/th...ution?lang=eng</a> If you read these addresses and learn their assertions you can show any Mormon from the words of their own leaders, people they acknowledge as &quot;Prophets, Seers, and Revelators&quot; support a limited constitutional government. Then show that Ron Paul is the one supporting that exact same thing, while Romney is for the exact opposite. This puts Dr. Paul in more harmony with the words of the prophets than Romney, and therefore more worth support. <br />
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			<title>The Merit of a Return to the Constitution</title>
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				<div class="message">The core issue is that the intended series of checks on federal power has been abandoned.<br />
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The system was designed so that either the SCOTUS or a majority of the states could declare a federal law unconstitutional. This prevents a monopoly of power, which is the road to tyranny.<br />
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The other check is the militia system. By having the capability of a universal militia, the founders put in Machiavelli's dictum in THE PRINCE &quot;Good arms and good laws go together. Where the people have recourse to good arms, no Prince dare make a bad law.&quot;<br />
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The hierarchy of laws is simple<br />
(A) US Constitution<br />
(B) Treaties ratified by the Senate<br />
(C) Constitutional federal laws<br />
(D) State Constitutions<br />
(E) State laws made in accordance with US and State Constitutions<br />
(F) Local laws made in accordance with US and State Constitutions<br />
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What is broken is the enforcement mechanism, which depends on an informed and active citizenry. Which depends on a system of education......... that teaches the responsibilities of citizenship. Socialists realize that controlling the education system of a country ultimately leads to control of the country.</div>
			
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			<title>Taxation is Theft (a response to a few criticisms). Happy Theft Day!</title>
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<ol class="decimal"><li>a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, levied upon incomes,property, sales, etc. (dictionary.com)<br /></li>
<li>a charge usually of money imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes (webster.com)<br /></li>
<li>a pecuniary burden laid upon individuals or property owners to support the government, and is a payment exacted by legislative authority. Essential characteristics of a tax are that it is not a voluntary payment or donation, but an enforced contribution, exacted pursuant to legislative authority  (Black’s Law Dictionary, 1979) <a href="http://www.mindserpent.com/American_History/reference/1979_Black_5/sec_t.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.mindserpent.com/American_...ck_5/sec_t.pdf</a></li>
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The third definition leaves no room for confusion. The source for this definition is “the most widely used law book in the United States”. By definition, taxes are not voluntary (i.e. they are theft).<br />
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The first two definitions strongly imply that taxation is not voluntary. Money is either demanded or charges are imposed. Some would argue that since services are provided, the money demanded or charges imposed do not equal theft. After all, if you go into a restaurant and order a steak, it is not theft when the bill is “imposed” and then you are “demanded” to pay it. This and similar criticisms is what I will be writing in response to.<br />
<ul><li><b>Driving on the roads, using services provided by taxation, etc., implies consent. </b></li>
</ul>This a circular argument. The conclusion that using the roads and other services demonstrates consent to taxes relies on the premise that the taxation used for them is voluntary in the first place. Then this is used as evidence that taxation is consensual. To illustrate, imagine that a gang of thieves extort money from you. Then they decide to provide “services” with your money that they now possess. The money used for services (roads, etc.) that they “provide” were not obtained by consent in the first place. Concluding that by using the “services” they provide with your stolen money proves that you consent is fallacious.<br />
<ul><li><b>Not paying taxes is like ordering food and then not paying.</b></li>
</ul>When you enter a restaurant, it is completely voluntary. No one forces you into it, and no one forces you to buy anything. This is wholly different than the services produced through taxation. You can’t simply decline to pay for the tax funded service in the same way you can simply decline to order food. If you are not happy with the service at a restaurant, you can choose to not pay them anymore. If you are unsatisfied by tax funded services, you are still forced to pay for them. Payment of taxes is not dependent on the services consumed. You are charged for services even if you don’t use or ask for them. Whether or not you pay at a restaurant is directly dependent on receiving a service or product. A simple but effective way to determine whether or not a service is truly voluntary is to find out if you can  decline the service and decline the payment. If you can decline the service but are forced to pay, it is not voluntary.<br />
<ul><li><b>Since you have the option to leave, staying proves consent.</b></li>
</ul>The only thing this proves is that you would rather stay than leave. This alone does not establish what is or what is not consented to. The happiness gained from staying in an area close to family and a good job could simply outweigh the negatives of being taxed. To give a simple example, imagine that you live near all of your family and friends, you have a good job, and the weather is perfect. However, the area you live in has a high crime rate. Let’s say the crime rate is so high that in any given year, there is a 95% chance your car will be broken into. Deciding that staying near your family etc. is more important than avoiding burglary does not prove that you consent to being stolen from. The robbery does not become voluntary just because you would rather put up with it than abandon your family and home.<br />
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If you live in a neighborhood and the Mafia takes it over, staying would not prove consent to their rule or “laws”. If staying in the area that the State claims territory to proves consent to taxation, then this same reasoning would have to be used to prove consent to the Mafia’s extortion. Both groups assert a forced territorial monopoly on certain services, but using those services does not prove consent. The threat of violence is used to prevent competition. This necessarily means there are no choices. There is no possibility for consent when choosing all other alternatives is violently prevented.<br />
<ul><li><b>Without taxes, how will X Y and Z get done?</b></li>
</ul>My purpose here was to show that taxation is theft and respond to a few common criticisms. How society could function without institutionalized theft is a different subject.<br />
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			<title>Now is your time.</title>
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Now is your time.<br />
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Now is not the time for another Money Bomb after this one.  Now is not the time to wait for the campaign to guide you.  Now is not the time to sit around and wait for the inevitable tipping point that signals your chance to say &quot;I TOLD YOU SO!&quot; and offer your unique and utterly unsolicited post-show commentary.  Now is not the time to turn towards 2016, or to cry that the sky is falling and plan on how you will take out thousands of armed police and military with nothing but a stick of gum and a paperclip.<br />
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When everything burns up, you start with the smallest thing.  People are taught that when they lose function in a limb, the smallest victory gets the ball rolling to recovery.  Those with memory loss cling to the slightest tickle of a recollection.  Ladies and gentlemen: we are still waiting for that smallest thing.<br />
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Donations during Money Bombs are nice.  It's great to encourage people to hone their energy on one event, one date, that can inspire them to dig a little deeper.  Unfortunately, at this point the campaign just needs money.  I don't think they care much if you donated yesterday, or today, or if you have to wait until your next paycheck clears this coming week.  It's your time to donate whenever you can, and to ask others to chip in whatever they can.  Spread the word that Ron is not only still running, but that he plans to run all the way through the Convention.  Promote it as an anti-Romney gesture.  Point out that Romney is losing to Obama in nearly every poll now, so the &quot;Obama will win if Ron stays in&quot; meme is tired and untrue.<br />
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The big huge Momma Bird known as the official campaign is not there to help you.  Much to the chagrin of those of us who went through this in 2007/2008, the outreach is not there at the level you might expect.  I was told to sign up and fill out a bunch of things (some of which were on the official website) in order to express interest in becoming a delegate.  I never heard a peep.  I sent in questions to folks regarding the process in Florida when it was changed, and never heard back.  I actually got way more responses from non-Paul Floridians than I did from the campaign.  Who's there?  Local folks.  Get in touch with people from your area.  See where your state, district, county, etc., are in their process, and how you can get involved.  If everything's already done, then see how you can volunteer to help others accomplish their goals.  Most states are still picking delegates.  This is about  you, locally, and your experience is likely to be absolutely unique.<br />
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The campaign is not over.  It needs money, it needs delegates, and it needs your voice in Florida this summer if you can spare it.  None of that is really done with the approval and cooperation of the forums at large.  You really have to dig in, educate yourself, and find your local contacts.  <br />
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This is about you deciding to keep going.  Ron can still win something in your district, your county, your state, your country; you just have to figure out what you can do to get him there.</blockquote>

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