**Homemade weapons** [Archive]

Expatriate

11-02-2008, 12:14 AM

EDIT: All the pics here have disappeared because of this (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=197887). I'll try to find backups and restore them eventually.

.22 Pen Gun
The pen is manufactured using a hydraulic fitting for the barrel and stainless steel tube for the main pen body.

The pen gun also writes!!
http://web.archive.org/web/20070820074245/http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/pics/Pen_Gun_01.jpg
http://web.archive.org/web/20070820074245/http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/pics/Pen_Gun_02.jpg
The short barrel is shown here removed and ready to load.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070820074245/http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/pics/Pen_Gun_03.jpg
The pen clip screws into a removable plastic plug. The clip and plug are pulled out and the gun can be cocked and fired.

If you wish to contact the builder of this weapon for further information you may e-mail John Wilson at nzgunman@yahoo.co.nz

.410 Homemade Shotgun:

This homemade .410 shotgun was sent to me by an anonymous source. Judging by the photo it looks well made. I suspect the barrel and breech are built from iron plumbing pipe!
http://web.archive.org/web/20070820074245/http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/pics/homemade410shotgun.jpg

A Full Bore PCP Air Rifle:
Made in the 1940s during WWII, this gun doesn't look like a Girandoni, but examination shows that it clearly was built by someone familiar with the Girandoni repeating airgun system. The story is that this gun was built in Austria by a partisan bicycle maker during the Nazi occupation in WWII.

The repeating magazine is spring fed and on the left side of the barrel, for the convenient use of a right handed shooter. The gun was charged with the accompanying bicycle type pump. Smoothbore, as would be expected, but firing an 11.76 mm lead ball (.463" caliber) the very same caliber as the original Girandoni Austrian military repeating air rifles! This would have been a fearsome weapon against sentries, drivers, military leaders, etc. at ranges up to perhaps 100 yards.

To a freedom fighter, the lower discharge sound and the lack of flash or smoke would have been huge values. And it did not need powder, primers, or bullets—only easily cast lead or soft-metal balls! No forensic evidence left on the shooter (not that they had too much forensic evidence in those days).

The builder surely drew his inspiration from an Austrian museum which displayed a Girandoni system airgun. Note that this gun has a spring fed magazine, rather than the gravity fed magazine of the original Girandoni military air rifle. While a gravity feed mechanism might be simpler, and even more dependable, the spring fed magazine has great advantages for the purposes of this gun. It is more suited for operation from a vehicle or firing slot where it would be impractical to tip up the rifle for loading and it allows firing with minimal motion at the firing point—very important to a sniper. Basic specs: A husky 12.2 lbs., 45" overall, glare-free, and almost camo anodized type finish.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070820074245/http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/pics/AFullBore-PCP-AirRifle-top.jpg
http://web.archive.org/web/20070820074245/http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/pics/AFullBore-PCP-AirRifle-side.jpg

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Expatriate

11-02-2008, 12:16 AM

EDIT: All the pics here have disappeared because of this (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=197887). I'll try to find backups and restore them eventually.

A .410 Shot Pistol:
These .410 shot pistol pictures were sent to me recently. It is constructed from malleable iron plumbing pipe for the main body ('BSP' pipe in UK) and the grip of a paintball gun! The pistol is striker fired. The ruler was no doubt used to give the builder of the pistol a good slapping.

The upper receiver components:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070820074245/http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/pics/410pistol-UpperReceiverComponents.jpg

The striker assembly:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070820074245/http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/pics/410pistol-StrikerAssembly.jpg

Sear slot:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070820074245/http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/pics/410pistol-SearSlot.jpg

Fully assembled:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070820074245/http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/pics/410pistol-FullyAssembled.jpg

The "Unabomber's" homemade .22 pistol:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070820074245/http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/pics/unabomber.jpg

An example of homemade 12g shot-pistols. They are a bit "hammered" looking but but I was assured they do go Boooom!
http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/pics/shotpistol-g1.jpg
http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/pics/shotpistol-g5.jpg
http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/pics/shotpistol-g6.jpg
http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/pics/shotpistol-g7.jpg
http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/pics/shotpistol-p2.jpg

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Expatriate

11-02-2008, 12:17 AM

EDIT: All the pics here have disappeared because of this (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=197887). I'll try to find backups and restore them eventually.

A 16 bore shot pistol built in Bosnia in 1992.
http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/pics/BosnianShotpistol_1992.jpg

This pistol was made by a man in India. It is a cumbersome looking weapon but of a sound and simple design. It has three interchangeable barrels in various calibres.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/A_Crude_Indian_Homemade_%22Gun%22_.jpg

Here is a .22 zip gun made out of a 7/8" drill bit. This works on the machine gun blow back principle but without the magazine!
http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/pics/drillbit-zipgun.jpg

pcosmar

11-02-2008, 08:21 AM

angelatc

11-02-2008, 08:52 AM

You can apparently make a taser out of a disposable camera.
http://staulkor.com/node/4

Charles Wilson

11-02-2008, 09:34 AM

In my youth (back in the 70s) we had Improvised Munitions as part of the High School ROTC.
TM 31-201 was a classroom text and there were posters on the wall detailing various devices.

Times have changed.
Some of us still remember the lessons of our youth.
http://www.libertylib.com/improvised-munitions-handbook/improvised-munitions-handbook.shtml

http://www.libertylib.com/improvised-munitions-handbook/improvised-munitions-handbook.jpg

Interesting. We all should educate ourselves on firearms and how to fight in an armed conflict using proven guerrilla tactics. Conventional war is out of the question for a modern day revolution. You can bank on the fact that all of the large para-military organizations such as the State Militias have been infiltrated by those in control. Members cannot fart without the BATF checking on the source and size of the explosion. Also remember that the Agents do not need facts to do you in -- they are some of the best liers in the world.

Having said that, I support a peaceful revolution along the lines of Gandi and Dr. King. Why shed blood if it is not necessary? Rather than make your firearms why not go to the nearest Gun Show and buy a weapon of your choice legally, along with ammo and a reloader with ball and powder? Some of the weapons shown here are scary in the fact that they may be more dangeous to the user than to the enemy. Firearm storage should also be considered. A rusty firearm does not work very well -- it could get you killed. http://www.6mmbr.com/corrosiontest.html Just a suggestion.

Expatriate

11-02-2008, 03:35 PM

Rather than make your firearms why not go to the nearest Gun Show and buy a weapon of your choice legally, along with ammo and a reloader with ball and powder? Some of the weapons shown here are scary in the fact that they may be more dangeous to the user than to the enemy. Firearm storage should also be considered. A rusty firearm does not work very well -- it could get you killed. http://www.6mmbr.com/corrosiontest.html Just a suggestion.

I wasn't showing the pics to suggest that we should all make unreliable homemade guns, but rather to illustrate that in countries where you CAN NOT "go to the nearest Gun Show and buy a weapon of your choice legally", people make their own weapons anyways.

That is why "Gun Control" will never work. Even if the government banned ALL guns and SOMEHOW managed to stop the flow of illegal guns into the black market. Various people, whether career criminals or just those who want to protect themselves or their loved ones, would just make their own firearms and ammo in spite of the law. It really doesn't require more than metal scraps, tubing, wood and rubber bands as pcosmar's example (http://www.libertylib.com/improvised-munitions-handbook/pipe-pistol-for-9mm-ammunition.shtml) shows. Ammo can be made from matchheads and rocks, even without the availability of metallic casings.

The fact is, "Gun Control", even a 100% ban, only disarms the law-abiding. I know I have seen people on here saying "I wish guns were un-invented" or "if there was no black market, gun control would work". It may be nice to daydream of a magical world without offensive weapons, but unfortunately such a world does not and will never exist. Therefore the best way to protect law-abiding people is to allow them equal access to the guns criminals will always have.

Charles Wilson

11-03-2008, 08:14 AM

I wasn't showing the pics to suggest that we should all make unreliable homemade guns, but rather to illustrate that in countries where you CAN NOT "go to the nearest Gun Show and buy a weapon of your choice legally", people make their own weapons anyways.

That is why "Gun Control" will never work. Even if the government banned ALL guns and SOMEHOW managed to stop the flow of illegal guns into the black market. Various people, whether career criminals or just those who want to protect themselves or their loved ones, would just make their own firearms and ammo in spite of the law. It really doesn't require more than metal scraps, tubing, wood and rubber bands as pcosmar's example (http://www.libertylib.com/improvised-munitions-handbook/pipe-pistol-for-9mm-ammunition.shtml) shows. Ammo can be made from matchheads and rocks, even without the availability of metallic casings.

The fact is, "Gun Control", even a 100% ban, only disarms the law-abiding. I know I have seen people on here saying "I wish guns were un-invented" or "if there was no black market, gun control would work". It may be nice to daydream of a magical world without offensive weapons, but unfortunately such a world does not and will never exist. Therefore the best way to protect law-abiding people is to allow them equal access to the guns criminals will always have.

Well said. I think it is very likely that Chuck Schumer from New York will get his way and ban firearms if the Democrats get total control of the government -- we will know tomorrow if that is a real possibility or not.

In that case, the prudent thing to do is to purchase whatever firearms you want now while it is still legal to do so, along with ammo, and prepare them for storage some place where the Feds cannot find them. All gun owners will all be criminals in the eyes of the law -- much like bootleggers during prohibition.

pcosmar

11-03-2008, 05:39 PM

Having said that, I support a peaceful revolution along the lines of Gandi and Dr. King. Why shed blood if it is not necessary? .

I wold recheck your history and the FACTS surrounding them.
The Indian revolution was quite bloody as was the American Civil Rights Movement.

If you chose to be a pacifist that is fine, It is your choice to do nothing while friends , family and neighbors are violated and killed.

I am NOT a pacifist.

BTW, I can NOT purchase any firearms, as my Rights have been infringed.
I can however produce them at any time I so chose. And I can educate others.

Charles Wilson

11-03-2008, 09:17 PM

I wold recheck your history and the FACTS surrounding them.
The Indian revolution was quite bloody as was the American Civil Rights Movement.

If you chose to be a pacifist that is fine, It is your choice to do nothing while friends , family and neighbors are violated and killed.

I am NOT a pacifist.

BTW, I can NOT purchase any firearms, as my Rights have been infringed.
I can however produce them at any time I so chose. And I can educate others.

We have had this exchange before. If you knew my history you would know that I am not a pacifist. Martyrs serve a purpose but for the most part dying accomplishes nothing. If push comes to shove, the objective is to get your adversary to give up his life so that you can live and fight another day. I agree, educating others on self defense is a good thing.

We are free today only because we are not a threat to the government. Where are they now: http://www.adl.org/extremism/Militia/Recruitment.asp?m_flipmode=4. Be carefull.

pcosmar

11-03-2008, 11:20 PM

We are free today only because we are not a threat to the government. Where are they now: http://www.adl.org/extremism/Militia/Recruitment.asp?m_flipmode=4. Be carefull.

WE ARE NOT FREE
We have not been free country in my 51 years, and it is getting worse every year.

And QUOTING the ADL:eek::(:(

Pfease :rolleyes:

Expatriate

11-04-2008, 07:46 PM

How to build your own 9mm submachine gun (For educational purposes only) (http://web.archive.org/web/20061016043336/thehomegunsmith.com/9mmPistol.shtml) (The author went to jail in the UK for building one)

Here's the original easy-to-build design for a simple open-bolt homemade 9mm submachine gun. The interesting thing is that it could be made by an average person with nothing more than a hacksaw and drill - no machine tools or special skills required.
You need a username and password to download from this site, so use this one:

username: random4570
password: random4570

Click "Download" and select "Adobe Acrobat (.pdf)".

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3170766/expedient-homemade-firearms-9mm-submachinegun-complete-instructions
http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:B1auEZu-geqyEM:http://img.infibeam.com/img/c3c16f2c/834/9/9780873649834.jpg

Here's some more gun designs from the same site. They are all good reads, although of course assembling most of the guns would be illegal according to the federal National Firearms Act. Make sure you download the .pdf, I have a hard time reading them otherwise. (you need the free Adobe Reader (http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html) to view these files)

Another 9mm submachine gun how-to - this one is quite handsome and built from standard pipe fittings with minimal effort:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6118520/expedient-homemade-firearms-bsp-9mm-smg-p
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:w8vdgjGMyxnl3M:http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/pics/bsp-image1.jpg

A .32/.380 caliber homemade SMG:
Photo Gallery (http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/gallery.shtml)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6454766/Expedient-Homemade-Firearms-Vol-II-PA-Luty
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:YJF-enn6MXRXZM:http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/pics/img32837.jpg

Homemade Semi-Automatic Pistol (.32/.380) (Appears to be much harder to make than the machine guns):
http://rapidshare.com/files/163107638/HomGuns2_SHO_Kimi.rar
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:jabk1WFl_8_22M:http://www.whitehonor.com/HomeWorkshopFirearms/SemiAutoScmatc.JPG

Home Workshop .22 Machine Pistol (looks like it requires machine tools):
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6118895/home-workshop-vol-3-22-machine-pistol-bill-holmes-paladin-press
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:NKmVGi_m0DBfZM:http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/412HAE8QXPL._SL500_AA240_.jpg

Home Workshop 9mm Submachine Gun:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6004246/holmes-bill-home-workshop-guns-for-defense-and-resistance-volume-1-the-submachine-gun
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:3FoGklo963dqgM:http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41KK976036L._SL500_AA240_.jpg

Home Workshop .50 caliber single shot Rifle (looks like it requires machine tools):
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6118148/50-caliber-rifle-construction-manual-bill-holmes-paladin-press
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:dQjryExwlHZHxM:http://www.paladin-press.com/images/large/HWDVD.jpg

Home Workshop silencers:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6004153/billholmessilencersfromthehomeworkshop3872154
http://i.scribd.com/profiles/images/7jrxbu24kx3ap-tiny.jpg

Expedient Homemade Handgun Ammo and Reloading:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13116830/Expedient-Handgun-Ammo
http://i.scribd.com/profiles/images/e9bjsmddj15gs-tiny.jpg

Expedient Homemade Shotgun Ammo and Reloading
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13116907/Expedient-Homemade-Shotgun-Ammo
http://i.scribd.com/profiles/images/hpdxdujqe3n7m-tiny.jpg

Disclaimer: For educational purposes only. I have not tried to make any of these guns, also I'm not responsible if you make these guns and get hurt or get in trouble.

Expatriate

11-06-2008, 05:56 AM

The Metral 9mm. Needs a lathe and is more complex than the above guns, but it's as good as any military 9mm SMG. Uses a Sten magazine however. Semi/Full auto with a folding stock and compact design that's reminiscent of a Mini Uzi. Field strippable. Fires from an open bolt.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4746679/Do-It-Yourself-Submachine-Gun-Gerard-Metral-Paladin-Press
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ZR8XTHW0L._SS500_.jpg (http://www.scribd.com/doc/4746679/Do-It-Yourself-Submachine-Gun-Gerard-Metral-Paladin-Press)

CJLauderdale4

11-06-2008, 06:28 AM

My brother, a DC Cop, already told me that I'm on the list...oh well...I hit the link...guess I should expect to be "balck-bagged" sometime in the next 24 hours...

eOs

11-06-2008, 01:04 PM

I wasn't showing the pics to suggest that we should all make unreliable homemade guns, but rather to illustrate that in countries where you CAN NOT "go to the nearest Gun Show and buy a weapon of your choice legally", people make their own weapons anyways.

That is why "Gun Control" will never work. Even if the government banned ALL guns and SOMEHOW managed to stop the flow of illegal guns into the black market. Various people, whether career criminals or just those who want to protect themselves or their loved ones, would just make their own firearms and ammo in spite of the law. It really doesn't require more than metal scraps, tubing, wood and rubber bands as pcosmar's example (http://www.libertylib.com/improvised-munitions-handbook/pipe-pistol-for-9mm-ammunition.shtml) shows. Ammo can be made from matchheads and rocks, even without the availability of metallic casings.

The fact is, "Gun Control", even a 100% ban, only disarms the law-abiding. I know I have seen people on here saying "I wish guns were un-invented" or "if there was no black market, gun control would work". It may be nice to daydream of a magical world without offensive weapons, but unfortunately such a world does not and will never exist. Therefore the best way to protect law-abiding people is to allow them equal access to the guns criminals will always have.

Relax, guns will never be taken from us so directly. It is in the states best interest to let you keep your guns, but rather relinquish your flow of information. Divide and Conquer is still the name of the game, no matter what century. The internet will be the first thing to go.

Expatriate

11-07-2008, 12:04 AM

Relax, guns will never be taken from us so directly. It is in the states best interest to let you keep your guns, but rather relinquish your flow of information. Divide and Conquer is still the name of the game, no matter what century. The internet will be the first thing to go.

Well that's funny, because the National Firearms Act of '34 virtually prohibited almost all the types of weapons shown above. I would call that taking guns from us directly. And it happened over 70 years ago.

Of course, Divide and Conquer is being used everywhere, but the purpose of the 2nd Amendment was clearly to guarantee private citizens the right to own equipment which is equally effective as that carried by a footsoldier in the Army. It did not grant that right, as Hamilton in the pre-Bill of Rights Federalist Papers explained:

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed29.asp
"By thus circumscribing the plan, it will be possible to have an excellent body of well-trained militia, ready to take the field whenever the defense of the State shall require it. This will not only lessen the call for military establishments, but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist.''

They have already blatantly contradicted the intent of the Constitution by restricting and taxing automatics, short-barreled shotguns, rifles, anti-tank weapons, demolitions equipment, and "silencers", all of which are indispensable to the military. The federal government is not granted the right to do such a thing, but seeing as such unconstitutional legislation has been in place for so long I would really not be surprised if more followed, especially from President Obama's pen (What did he say about clinging to guns again?).

Of course we have to safeguard our other rights as well, but I'm just saying we should not stop fighting to protect our arms rights or not try to regain those already stolen from us.

I do agree that we have to preserve our right to freedom of information, but I think you are wrong about the state allowing us to have arms. They have already taken most of them away!

Expatriate

11-10-2008, 11:10 PM

Bump!

Crowish

11-11-2008, 11:06 PM

blog.modernmechanix.com/2006/08/01/build-a-hunters-crossbow/

Expatriate

11-12-2008, 12:14 PM

5-shot repeating pump-action crossbow .pdf plans:
http://www.vintageprojects.com/archery/cross-bow-plans.html
http://www.vintageprojects.com/archery/crossbow-200.jpg
http://www.vintageprojects.com/archery/Crossbow0001.jpg

Expatriate

12-23-2008, 09:58 PM

bump for more schematics - post 'em if you got 'em!

Homemade airgun pictures:
http://www.bryanandac.com/new_page_10.htm

Some airguns are just as deadly as firearms:
http://www.freesteader.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3466 (air machine gun)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbiPydusWmk&feature=related (20mm air rifle)

Expatriate

01-01-2009, 03:44 AM

Day 9 Lake Titicaca

Our day on the lake starts by meeting this chap who lives on a floating island. He shows us his home made rifle which uses home made gunpowder.
http://www.palnet.co.uk/blog/peru/peru21.jpg

Expatriate

01-18-2009, 11:59 PM

One of my all time favorite's...

This is a home built .50 cal cannon. Some dude made it from scratch, it is hand-loaded from the breech, a simple cocking and firing mechanism and a rough elevation and bearing system on the base plate.

The f*cker weighed about 60 lbs too.

The dude we picked this off of in Bosnia was pissed. If I had spent all that time making this on my own, I'd want to keep it too.

Looks bigger than .50 caliber to me. Doesn't look like a naval caliber 50 either. I am guessing he means 50 millimeter, that looks about right.
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1192/homemade2ut.jpg

Doktor_Jeep

01-19-2009, 02:44 AM

American soldiers disarming people of another sovereign state. Nice.

What's it like to be the Nazi?

Expatriate

01-19-2009, 11:50 AM

American soldiers disarming people of another sovereign state. Nice.

What's it like to be the Nazi?

Yeah, that thought occurred to me too. :(. Is it standard procedure for US troops to disarm all civilians they run across in occupied countries?

What I'd like to know is how the soldier smuggled a big-ass artillery piece home with him. Adam Kokesh got in major trouble just for bringing back a PISTOL that he BOUGHT in the Middle East.

Expatriate

01-21-2009, 04:52 PM

I am not too crazy about this design as it doesn't lend itself to high accuracy, but it is basically a medieval submachine gun and is pretty easy to make. The bow or "prod" would be the hardest part to make/find, but you could always use a bungee cord instead, making it into a repeating slingshot. Still, it's not hard to make a bow from bamboo strips bound with twine, as long as it's not too dried out.

http://www.arco-iris.com/George/chu-ko-nu.htm

A video of a kid showing how he made one of these (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf97Fn11_Lc&feature=related). Although he uses a bungee cord instead of a proper bow, the principle and design is the same.

The bolts go into the gravity-feed magazine on top.
http://www.franzz.eu/shop/bmz_cache/2/2e7451d24f25aee7a79b82638225e286.image.750x499.jpg

Expatriate

01-21-2009, 05:38 PM

A coilgun or gauss gun is an unusual type of weapon that uses a series of coil electromagnets to launch a projectile with similar energy to a firearm, just without all the noise and hot gases. A magazine fed repeating or automatic system is much easier to make for a coilgun since the breech does not have to be sealed, and the ammunition is caseless. The main concern is the time it takes to charge the capacitors again for a second shot; multiple capacitor banks could be a solution.

Lots of people are making their own, since they are unregulated as far as I know, and they are much easier for someone without access to metalworking tools to make than a multi-shot firearm. They are still experimental though, and seem to be more of a curiosity than a practical weapon. Most of the ones I have seen are underpowered and unreliable, but that might have something to do with being made out of camera parts and Radio Shack components by bored computer geeks as a way to pass the time.

http://hackedgadgets.com/2007/01/27/top-5-coil-guns/
http://www.coilgun.ru/
http://www.anothercoilgunsite.com/

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Coilgun_animation.gif
http://hackedgadgets.com/wp-content/_coil_gun__6.jpg
http://hackedgadgets.com/wp-content/_coil_gun__4.gif
http://hackedgadgets.com/wp-content/_coil_gun_1.jpg
http://hackedgadgets.com/wp-content/img-acg85-preliminary1.jpg

Doktor_Jeep

01-21-2009, 06:20 PM

The coilgun need only achieve at least 700FPS to start scaring the tyrants.

But what are you going to do, ban wires? You can build one from an old TV.

Expatriate

01-22-2009, 10:41 AM

From homegunsmith.com's "Hall of Freedom" (http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?;act=SF;f=30;st=0)
Made by "1216hrl"

Posted: Oct. 04 2007,06:15
Cleaning up a few months ago I found a barrel stub and a magazine from an old 22 I had years ago.

So, obviously they had to be useful for something so I had a try at making my own pistol from them and a few other bits floating around.

Most of this is scratch built, only the barrel, slide stop and magazine are pre existing parts.

Used the design principles of a 1911 for the trigger setup suitably shortening the bow, for the reduced distance to the disconnector, and made a heel style mag release for simplicity sake.

Frame is steel made using the method detailed in the tutorial I wrote up some time ago for making 1911 frames, slide is 6065 alloy with a steel breech face insert so it didnt get beat up on the end of the barrel.

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa19/1216modular/Oct04_01.jpg

Slide serrations done using a ball end mill. I like the effect and it is very grippable without being sharp.

Posted: Oct. 04 2007,06:17
Left side shows slide locked back and the 1911 slide stop. The detent housing is a fixed part on the frame, no safety at all, the safety between our ears is the best one I have always thought
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa19/1216modular/Oct04_02.jpg

Pulled apart it looks like this.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa19/1216modular/Oct04_04.jpg

cone on the barrel locks up in the slide when the slide is foward.

recoil spring is a cut piece of FN/FAL inner return spring on a rod that locates into the barrel block.

feed ramp is a bolt on to the barrel type of affair so I could play with the various angles to tune the feeding from the magazine.

Buffer on the recoil spring is a piece of that plastic/ nylon wall plug stuff that you put into a drywall hole to hang stuff from. Cut of the bit that goes in the wall and it is just right to stop the slide battering into the steel frame. :anim_beer:

WIth the wrap around wood grips off you can see some of the mechanism.

Sorry, not a very clear photo.

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa19/1216modular/Oct04_03.jpg

Mainspring housing is welded to the frame and has a recess milled in the back so a pair of flat springs perform the trigger disconnector return and the sear return functions.

the flat springs are from a coil about 8 feet long that you can find inside a lawn mower pull start mechanism.

Hammer strut is high tech 8 guage fencing wire with one end flattened for the slot in the hammer and pinned, and the other end rounded to fit in the divot in the mainspring housing cap.

Mainspring is again a FN /FAL item and is the hammer spring from that firearm shortened to suit the housing.
Looks very similar in every respect to a 1911 mainspring but a bit longer than most 1911 springs, something to keep in mind if you ever need to know, then again it might just be useless info.

This pic also shows the frame high spot that performs as the ejector and how the mag heel release has to be hinged from a point above the magazine proper to perform its function and not let the mag come out to easily. I found hinging it from behind the mag meant needing a spring to heavy for practical use and that the mag tended to slip out with even a slight pull.

this way the mag is blocked by a gate even without a spring there it stays in the mag well.

Firing pin
spring and stop like a 1911

Found a lot of trouble with the firing pin being to small and sometimes damaging the chamber mouth from occasional dry firing so made the firing pin head about 1/8" diameter to spread the impact.

only the lower 1/3rd to 1/4 actually contacts the rim of the case when firing.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa19/1216modular/Oct04_05.jpg

Ready to strip a round of and chamber.

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa19/1216modular/Oct04_08.jpg

so far after some fine tuning it is incredibly smooth and reliable considering every thing that COULD have gone wrong.

15 shots get away as fast as the trigger can be pulled, I do still get an occasional slide over a partial chambered round but that seem to be dependent on the ammo used

It is not super accurate but does put 15 shots into a 5 inch group at about 20 paces with some vertical stringing exhibited.

A view down the sights, also handmade.

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa19/1216modular/Oct04_11.jpg

Grip angle is more vertical than I like but it does kind of grow on you.

I think is is almost "glock"ish in its looks.

The slide stop is not connected to the mag so no last round hold open but it is useful for manual activation when fiddling around as you are not playing with a round in the chamber, hammer back and no safety catch on.

Hi guys, donor magazine was a el cheapo 22 semi made in the Phillipines if I remember correctly. Dont even remember what happened to the rifle now it was so long ago. But the mag and barrel end have been floating around my work shop for years.

Only has a small amount of rearwards rake to it so thats why the grip angle is almost straight up and down.

Matter of fact, I was using the barrel stub to form up the dustcover sections on the 1911 frames I was making. After straightening out the rolled piece a bit the stub fit in and let me form the sides straighter in a vise without crushing the roundness out of the pipe.
Guess I need to machine down a piece of round stock to do that job in future.

ihsv

01-22-2009, 11:39 AM

American ingenuity is inspiring :D

Expatriate

01-22-2009, 10:50 PM

American ingenuity is inspiring :D

Indeed, but I hope Americans aren't the only ones who can do this... well I guess the Chechens do it, but I wonder if things would change if the oppressed people in China or North Korea started making their own firearms. Still, maybe they do and we just don't hear about it, what with the apparent state monopoly on information in those regions...

EDIT: Yes, apparently the Chinese do make homemade guns, although they have resorted to using pebbles for ammunition:

Chinese reporters shot at police anti-gun briefing

This is hilarious, you just can’t make this stuff up (not of course for the poor guy who was shot). The BBC reports (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7514322.stm):

Three Chinese reporters attending a police briefing on the success of an anti-gun campaign were accidentally shot, media reports say.

An officer picked up one of the weapons on show - a confiscated home-made gun - but it went off in his hand.

A reporter needed surgery for injuries to his ankle, crotch and chest, after being hit by what appeared to be pebbles fired by the gun.

It was a homemade shotgun designed for birds. UPDATE: Actually it was a homemade double barreled pistol shotgun!

I think if anyone needs guns confiscated it is the Chinese police. Stay clear of them if you are attending the Olympics ;)

The classic policeman-discharging-his-pistol-in-a-classroom video shows incredible lack of safety but it is even more unbelievable that nobody checked to ensure the gun was unloaded between confiscating it, processing it, storing it and then displaying it to the media.

More here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7514322.stm).

UPDATE: I found a photo of the gun at china.org.cn

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/picture-6-13.png

Very cool. A double barreled pistol!

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/attachement-jpg-site1007-20080718-0014222d985009ea798705-tm.jpg
Other guns that were on display. Those looks like Norinco pistols.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/07/19/chinese-reporters-shot-at-police-anti-gun-briefing/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7514322.stm

Expatriate

01-24-2009, 04:55 PM

This is an interesting shotgun design that never caught on. It is similar to a double-action revolver, except that the striker or "hammer" rotates instead of the cylinder. This "pepperbox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepperbox)" design would make it easier to manufacture than either a revolver or a semi-automatic for the average person, yet still possess equivalent firepower. There are no chambers to line up with the barrel, and no moving parts in the action other than the striker assembly and a break-open breech for reloading. The end result looks very intimidating, having multiple barrels. I'm surprised I haven't seen more homemade designs like this on the internet.

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Hillberg Insurgency Weapons
The Winchester Liberator

The Winchester Liberator and Colt Defender were two remarkable shotgun designs that sprang from the fertile imagination of gun designer Robert Hillberg. They were originally conceived as guerrilla and counter-guerrilla weapons for clandestine warfare, and as such, they were shrouded in secrecy. To appreciate the Hillberg weapons, it is first necessary to consider modern guerrilla warfare.

Almost all guerrilla warfare is fought by indigenous peoples. Frequently, these people are unfamiliar with modern tactics and are wholly unfamiliar with weapons. As a result, the ideal guerrilla weapon must be simple and reliable. More importantly, it must posses a high probability of first round hit and a high probability of a first round kill, even in the hands of a relatively unskilled marksman. The shotgun answers these requirements perhaps better than any other weapon, and the designs proposed by Hillberg brought the shotgun to a new level of refinement for this niche.

Hillberg's first gun was designed around several requirements. Aside from the requirements for hit probability and lethality, it must posses adequate firepower without being too complex. It should also be light and inexpensive to allow it to be delivered en masse via parachute. By early 1962 Hillberg had evolved his concept to a first design. This was a multi-barreled repeating shotgun that was basically an updated pepperbox design. This design gave the firepower of a semi-automatic without the complexity. In the initial iteration, Hillberg envisioned a weapon having four barrel in a diamond configuration, constructed from a simple single casting. His initial design called for an ammunition 'packet' holding four rounds that would be inserted into the gun as a unit, fired, and then ejected by finger pressure.

http://tml.travellercentral.com/hillberg/liberator_concept.jpg

Early tests proved the worthiness of the design. The concept weapon fired 1.5cm (20ga equivalent) loads and had 4 16.1 inch barrels. The entire weapon was only 8 inches tall, which made for a relatively concealable package that was also maneuverable in tight spaces. It weighed a mere 4 pounds and it's inherent ruggedness made it quite suitable for being air dropped. When Hillberg had completed his initial design and final drawings, he approached Winchester with the proposal of manufacturing the gun. Winchester agreed that the weapon had considerable merit but requested time to study the proposal.

After an engineering analysis, Winchester determined that with a few minor modifications, the weapon could be manufactured for about $20 using the latest casting techniques. Armed with it's own studies, Winchester approached the defense department, and received encouragement fro DARPA, who saw that such a weapon could have vast potential, particularly in Southeast Asia, where the United States was become embroiled. Based on DARPA's encouragement, Winchester decided to go forward, with the new gun being developed under the 'Liberator Project' title, in homage to the gun's intended role, a role filled during the second world war by the Guide Lamp Division of general motors and their 'Liberator' pistol.

http://tml.travellercentral.com/hillberg/patent1.jpg

During development of the first Liberator guns, it was determined that the ammunition packet possessed certain disadvantages, most notably in size and the difficulty of aligning the packet with the bores. It was also heavy. The ammunition pack that was a salient feature in the Mark I Liberator, was discarded in the later Mark II version in favor of loading individual rounds into each barrel. This had the advantage of eliminating the alignment problem and also led to a two piece, hinge open design that was to prove even simpler to manufacture than the original one piece Mark I.

The basic features of the Liberator Mark II were outlines in a patent granted in 1964 (no. 3,260,009 reproduced here. The weapon features a pivoting breech secured by a stirrup. The was a relatively strong locking mechanism that had been used with much success on pistols of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The barrels were moved from a diamond patter to a square on to facilitate the tipping breech.

The weapon also features a relatively simple hammer and trigger. The hammer is a simple cylinder with helical cuts and having a fixed striker. Squeezing the full length trigger lever pulled back the striker and caused it to rotate 45 degrees. When the striker was fully retracted, the trigger allowed the striker to fall forward, rotating another 45 degrees and firing one barrel. Pulling the trigger subsequent times rotated the striker 90 degrees and fired the next barrel. This was an eminently simple and robust design that gave the liberator quite respectable firepower. In order to maximize range and lethality, the caliber of the weapon was increased to 16 gauge to take advantage of Winchester's Mark 5 shot collar, which had been developed for the Army's new buckshot ammunition.

http://tml.travellercentral.com/hillberg/patent2.jpg

Using standard 16 gauge buckshot ammunition, the liberator could easily make multiple torso hits at 30 yards. On average, five hits were obtained at that range, and never less than three.

In order to reduce weight, the Liberator Mark II was cast from two pieces of magnesium, with steel reinforcements cast in place. The whole assembly was coated with an epoxy paint and a removable shoulder stock was provided. The complete Mark II had four full choke 16 gauge barrels 13.5 inches long. The weapon measured18 inches in length and weighed 7.6 pounds with the shoulder stock.

The completed Liberator Mark II was presented to Winchester in the middle of 1963. It was demonstrated for various military and police agencies who were impressed with it's simplicity and firepower. This was in addition to it's original mission as a 'guerrilla gun'. Both Hillberg and Winchester began to see a wider application for their unique shotgun.

http://tml.travellercentral.com/hillberg/patent3.jpg

As the role of the Liberator was redefined, one featured proved troublesome. While the new shoulder stock allowed for a more stable platform, accurate shooting, particularly with slugs, was made difficult due to the long whole-hand trigger bar. What had been an asset for an insurgency weapon that might be used by someone of poor hand strength precluded the firing of accurate shots. The gun moved to much.

http://tml.travellercentral.com/hillberg/liberator2.jpg

On an earlier design, Hillberg had used a Smith and Wesson handgun frame as a test fixture. Recalling the reduced trigger pull, Hillberg returned to that design. Instead of a heavy revolving striker, the next generation of Liberator, the Mark III, would used a revolver like mechanism with a revolving striker on the hammer which would advance to fire each subsequent barrel. At the same time, Winchester, now completely in charge of the project, elected to make changes in the barrel cluster. There was some difficulty in casting the 4 barrel assembly with the inserts properly located. To simplify manufacture, Winchester instead elected to replace the complicated casting with a simple cluster of four steel barrels held together at the breech. A simple metal plate was welded to the muzzles to alignment and security, and this plate also formed the front sight of the weapon.

http://tml.travellercentral.com/hillberg/liberator3.jpg

The Liberator Mark III was only 1/2 an inch longer than the Mark II and weighed 7 pounds. In order to widen the appeal, the Liberator Mark III was changed to fire the standard 12 gauge round. The revolver-like trigger was robust and reliable. It could be fired in single action after hand cocking if precise accuracy was required, or it could be fired double action for maximum firepower. Loaded with standard 00 buckshot loads, the Liberator could deliver thirty-six .33 caliber with lethal velocity out to about 60 meters in a couple of seconds. This is a greater volume of fire than the typical sub machine gun. Unfortunately, the military orders that Winchester had hoped for were never forthcoming, and the Liberator failed to catch on with the police market.

The Colt Defender

The Colt Defender was the logical successor to Hillberg's earlier Liberator. With the war in Southeast Asia winding down, Hillberg sought to design a weapon that would have appeal to other purchasers - primarily law enforcement agencies. Hillberg believed his initial concept was sound, but sought to increase its versatility. The final design was completed in 1967. In designing the new gun, Hillberg reverted to the 20 gauge 3 inch magnum. He felt that this gave a more compact and easily controlled weapon with nearly identical hit potential and lethality to the 12 gauge. The new weapon was nothing if not visually impressive. Eight 12 inch barrels were joined together around a central axis. The gun possessed the familiar pistol grip revolver action mechanism with a second forward pistol grip for instinctive shooting. Overall length was 17.75 inches with a weight of 8.6 pounds. The weapon was composed of an aluminum alloy receiver with steel inserts and was covered in an epoxy paint finish.

http://tml.travellercentral.com/hillberg/defender.jpg

The final version of the weapon was available in four configurations: One version contained a receptacle for a canister of tear gas between the barrels. Pressing the trigger on the foregrip allowed the shooter to spray the target with teargas, giving him a non-lethal option. Another version incorporated a barrel selector on the rotating striker on the hammer. This allowed the shooter to select any one of the eight barrel. This meant that the weapon could be loaded with a variety of ammunition and the shooter could select which round was most appropriate for the situation in question. A third variant include both features, and the fourth had neither.

Like the Liberator before it, the Defender possessed semi-automatic like fire without the complexity of the semi-automatic gun. It was extremely simple to operate and very robust. Hillberg believe that the double action trigger mechanism was ideal for law enforcement applications, as it minimized familiarity and training requirements..

Hillberg thoroughly tested the Defender before seeking out a manufacturer. The design proved to be so correct, that only a couple of minor changes were made for manufacturing.

When Colt Industries was contacted, they showed considerable interest in producing the Defender. However, before committing to production, they insisted on a market survey to see if there was an adequate market for the gun before committing to full production. Colt demonstrated the weapon to a number of departments, and all who saw it were impressed with its compactness, volume of fire and reliability. Additionally, many cited its appearance as having a decidedly deterrent effect.

http://tml.travellercentral.com/hillberg/defender_muzzle.jpg

Unfortunately, the Defender was introduced at a time of national recession. Police departments found themselves scrambling to maintain what funds they already had. Despite interest showed in the Defender, Colt determined that there would not be adequate demand for the new weapon to justify full production and the product was shelved. By 1971 the Defender, like the Liberator before it, was dead.

The Liberator and Defender shotguns designed by Robert Hillberg were perhaps some of the most innovative combat shotguns ever devised. Their compactness, reliability, firepower and simplicity have yet to be equaled by any other weapon. They certainly deserved a better fate than they received.

From: http://tml.travellercentral.com/hillberg/index.html

Some antique pepperbox pistols which are similar:

Percussion 10-shot pistol:
http://bp2.blogger.com/_3roanZilw7M/R-Q_phQaW9I/AAAAAAAAADQ/GK3HhdYlanQ/s400/pepperbox4.jpg

Early barrel-less revolver:
http://www.genitron.com/Unique/Mariette-Pepperbox-b.jpg

Expatriate

01-24-2009, 06:41 PM

Built in Sydney, Australia to demonstrate the futility of "gun control"

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=30;t=13409
This is a rude, crude firearm and was built specifically to illustrate the stupidity and ineffectiveness of restrictive firearms laws.
I was employed at the Law Courts in Sydney (Aust) at the time as the Trades Officer Mechanical, (Maintenance Fitter in ordinary language). During a conversation with a couple of the High Court Judges the subject of the laws came up and they were of the opinion that it would be more difficult for criminals to get firearms.
So, I told them that I could go up to the workshop and make a 12 gauge shotgun out of the bits in the scrapbox. Disbelief...the following is the unlovely result:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v174/Flaith/Forum%20Posts/DSC00723.jpg

Yes, there is a trigger and a scear and breech block etc. But there are restrictions imposed by the scrap box and in this case I'd said I'd make it out of what was available. The available bits were what would be expected to be found in the maintanence workshop of a building. There was no lathe, the only power-tools available were a pedestal drill and a bench grinder besides the usual electric hand drill and an arc welder and gas welding and cutting equipment.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v174/Flaith/Forum%20Posts/DSC00715.jpg

This is the receiver, built from two pieces of light angle iron, a 3/4" pipe union weldedinto the front to take the barrel which is a length of 3/4" waterpipe. There is a larger union welded oven the 3/4" one just in case something blew. A bit of drilling and hack-sawing took care of the loading/ejection (sometimes) port and the cocking slots.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v174/Flaith/Forum%20Posts/DSC00716.jpg

The other side, just as ugly.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v174/Flaith/Forum%20Posts/DSC00721.jpg

Above is the Breech block and a wooden recoil buffer.
The block was made of a bit of pipe, two pieces of angle, small off cut for the face, a piece of broom handle bashed into the pipe,its sole purpose was to hold the nail/firingpin.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v174/Flaith/Forum%20Posts/DSC00718.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v174/Flaith/Forum%20Posts/DSC00719.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v174/Flaith/Forum%20Posts/DSC00724.jpg

Barreland receiver.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v174/Flaith/Forum%20Posts/DSC00720.jpg
The adjustable stock, adjustable because the holes were already in the scrap which was brackets from a redundant phone exchange that we'd pulled out.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v174/Flaith/Forum%20Posts/DSC00725.jpg

The block in the fired position

Not shown are the cocking handle (it snapped off the last time I fired it) and the "main spring" which was a number of rubber bands from the cocking handle to the stud at the LHF of the receiver. These were the only parts not from the scrap.

The gun has been fired with all sorts of 12ga ammo including Winchester Super X....the secret is that the barrel/chamber are so sloppy that pressure never reaches danger level.

At 20 feet the shot will penetrate 3/8" to !/2" into a telephone book.

And, Yes, I have fired it off the shoulder, but only with mild trap loads ! !

Expatriate

01-24-2009, 11:44 PM

More homemade artillery.

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=30;t=8714
I'm going to run out of stuff here pretty soon, but here's some pictures of my trusty mortar.

This was built out of 3" ID, 5" OD steel tubing, 1026 or something like that. It shoots dogfood cans full of concrete with amazing range and inaccuracy.

The base or mount was really one of my brainfarts, quite poorly designed. It cracked on both sides while firing ground-thumping maximum loads.

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-62887-Mortar_1.jpg

The mount can also be reversed for a lower firing angle and greater range. Backing it up with sandbags would be a good idea here.

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-63166-Mortar_4.jpg

It all folds up for concealed carry...

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-63319-Mortar_3.jpg

Here's the breech end of the tube.

I made a plug out of 3" cold-rolled which was shaped something like a huge semi-wadcutter pistol bullet with a step and a tapered nose. The cylindrical section was an inch long, and the tapered nose was also an inch long. Then I bored the tube out to about 3.4" for 1" deep, then pounded that plug in cylindrical end first until the nose of it was flush with the end of the tube. The combination of turning the plug and boring the tube left a space where a good solid weld could be laid all around the plug, and built up to flush with the tube end. In other words, it's welded 1" deep all around.

An expert welder, the foreman in the shop where I used to work, welded this with a heavy-duty wire welder. It used both gas shielding and a flux-cored wire, so he stopped to chip out the slag after each pass. The whole end of the tube was nearly glowing red hot by the time he finished. After I faced off the end square in a lathe, he then welded on the trunnion bar and the bracket for the elevation rod. The trunnions are 2" diameter where they bear in the wood.

I forget, but I'd guess this completed tube weighs 80 pounds or more. It's a beast to carry around.

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-64619-Mortar_5.jpg

Here's the powder measure I made to go with the gun.

The square sliding rod is graduated from 1 to 10 in quarter-ounce increments. It is absolutely amazing the "gas mileage" you can get out of a quarter ounce of blackpowder. I mean, 1/4th ounce is roughly 110 grains, just a good hunting load for a Hawkin rifle. Yet, if you shot that Hawkin rifle at that can of concrete, what would happen? Probably it would roll back 15 feet, or maybe be kicked up 2 or 3 feet off the ground. But put that same amount of powder into this mortar, and that can of concrete flies way up into the sky, and buries itself about flush into the ground well over 100 yards away when it comes back down.

When fired with loads over 2 ounces, the can simply disappears, then comes whistling down out of the sky about 18 seconds later. It literally whistles, loud enough to be easily heard from the firing location. Although I've never located the impact site from such a shot, I'd guess the range is over 1/4th mile even when fired at the steeper elevation.

Probably the gun would be more efficient yet if the breech area had a reduced-diameter powder chamber to concentrate at least part of the powder charge together, since even the maximum loads are small in volume relative to the size of the bore. The 1/4th ounce loads are just a thin layer scattered across the flat breech face.

The 3 inch bore size is ideal for this type project, since a standard size of can measures something like 2.97 inches at the rims.

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-65933-Measure_1.jpg

Expatriate

01-27-2009, 12:38 AM

Which Nazi-occupied country was this resistance "comic" from?
http://www.stengun.dk/grafik/gaston-opt.jpg

Pauls' Revere

01-27-2009, 02:41 AM

Holland?

Expatriate

01-27-2009, 06:42 PM

Holland?

I think it's Denmark as the language appears to be Danish but I'm not sure.

They made their own improvised armored car armed with an LMG turret as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_resistance_movement
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/DanishResistanceAC2795.jpg/800px-DanishResistanceAC2795.jpg

http://www.apk2000.dk/netavisen/billeder/Hist/194505xx_Hipo_besejeren.jpg

Expatriate

01-29-2009, 12:34 AM

I found a really good use for that Sten mag I ordered almost a year go.
I think the best way to describe it is a series of pics:

Chamber cut, head spaced and feed ramp cut:

http://stuff.jfettigmachines.com/ar15/ar9/tn_9mm%20AR%20(5).JPG

Couple pics of the bolt, made of 416 stainless:
http://stuff.jfettigmachines.com/ar15/ar9/tn_9mm%20AR%20(6).JPG
http://stuff.jfettigmachines.com/ar15/ar9/tn_9mm%20AR%20(7).JPG
http://stuff.jfettigmachines.com/ar15/ar9/tn_9mm%20AR%20(8).JPG

0% lower with mag block:
http://stuff.jfettigmachines.com/ar15/ar9/tn_9mm%20AR%20(9).JPG
http://stuff.jfettigmachines.com/ar15/ar9/tn_9mm%20AR%20(10).JPG
http://stuff.jfettigmachines.com/ar15/ar9/tn_9mm%20AR%20(11).JPG

and together:
http://stuff.jfettigmachines.com/ar15/ar9/tn_9mm%20AR%20(13).JPG

I heat treated the extractor and ejector fully. Also heat treated the first firing pin fully, apon quenching I think the 1/16" part of it bent a little. I dropped it in the bolt and gave it a slight push and it was snapped.
I heat treated them(O2 drill rod) then tempered them, I must not have tempered them hot enough, I then made a quick firing pin and only heat treated the hammer end. The bolt needs to be heat treated yet, so far it hasnt done any damage but it started making some wear marks where the hammer rides.
I put 2 mags through it so far is all I could do, it was dark and I wanted to test fire it. First round shot, ejected and bolt closed like it should, I found the case then headed inside for inspection. I took the gun apart(upper) and inspected that too, everything checked out ok.
I next finished off the mag, had a few failure to ejects and it stove piped about 3 times. I then realized I didn't lube the bolt.
I lubed it, loaded up another one of those impossible sten mags. I need to get the NFA mag loader. I then proceeded to bump fire the entire mag in one long string from the shoulder (VERY FAST). That put the biggest smile on my face!
So as you can see, I'm ready for another string on saturday. I'll probably make a new firing pin as I expect this one to break.
Also, you might notice a few parts made of aluminum that probably shouldn't be, like the mag catch. Those are temporary.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention! mrdonbs bolt design is what I based that from, I modified it quite a bit but kept most features. Regarding that, the extractor should be at a higher angle, I think my brass hits the ejection port on its way out.

The mag block is being held in by two plungers pushing out using a ball bearing lever type mechanism with a set screw in the bottom. The top was supposed to have one two but I designed it in haste (don't have a good enough computer at my parents place to run solidworks) and the ejector cut into the threads. Its not really needed anyway. I made the mag catch the way I did because I didn't want to have to modify each mag, I wanted to be able to drop them in and go, so far so good. I have one mag that doesn't like it, but theres a goober in that slot.

Also, gotta give a some credit to Cobbler, he kindly let me use his lathe to make the barrel and chamber it. Its an interesting barrel blank I got, 10 groove rifling.

Jon

Heres two pictures:
http://stuff.jfettigmachines.com/ar15/ar9/chambering%20a%20round/tn_chamberingaround%20(2).JPG
http://stuff.jfettigmachines.com/ar15/ar9/chambering%20a%20round/tn_chamberingaround%20(3).JPG

Expatriate

01-29-2009, 12:42 AM

Hi Folks:

Here is my entry into the AR Build-off, “Ugliest Rifle” category. It would have been a lot prettier, but I don't have Fluffy to give me aesthetic advice!

It is a receiver made from .100 4130 sheet formed to shape using homemade dies. It was based loosely on the Bill Holmes version of the AR lower, but I departed from his path pretty quickly.

I used the .100 metal for a few reasons. First, it’s pretty tough and herky. Second, it made sense dimensionally. If I called a magazine .900 wide, I bent the mag well to that, and then bent the “U” that makes up the FCG holder portion to .900 OD, it made the ID .700. Worked pretty well, I think.

The bear of the whole thing was the buffer tube tower. I was trying to make this along the lines of my OhmsResearch AK, in that you didn’t need a lot of fancy tools to make it. Well, I ended up cheating and using a mill on this proof-of-concept lower, but I am chock full of ideas on how to make it easier on the next one! Anyway: Buffer tower. I found some tubing with an ID (1.180) that just barely allowed the threads of the buffer tube to slip inside. I ended up using a combination of JB weld (Thanks to a guy who posted a thread somewhere called “Mujahadeen AR-15) and setscrews to secure the buffer tube to the tower. It is not removable, though of course the buffer and spring are. Without a large (1.5” ?) end mill, I had to pretty much trial and error the curvature of the tower. For me, it was harder than it looked! I managed to get a template made, so I could so it without too much fuss.

Of course, I did not drill it for the detents for the front or rear take-down pin, nor the selector. Instead, I drilled and tapped the ends of these and secured the takedown pins with 8-32 screws and the selector with a 10-32 and a washer. I drilled the underside of the selector, and put a small spring and detent ball in there to make the positive “click.” I also used low temp (575 degrees F) silver solder to attach stops.

I used the high-temp 38,000 psi silver braze to affix the “ears” for the bolt hold-open to the side of the receiver.

So far, after ~200 rounds, it functions perfectly.

Well, I’ll be anxiously awaiting the judges’ decision. If anybody has any questions about this thing, let me know. Sorry about the photos. I had just finished Parking it, and it still had a lot of oil on it.

Oh, and if anyone has an extra stock screw, I’d like to purchase one: I am using one from another AR. Drop me a line.

Stay Safe,
AGreyMan

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01-29-2009, 12:56 AM

MADJACK: A proof of concept, to prove to myself I could do it, and to learn as I went. It has fulfilled every goal and then some. When this project started, I could barely weld, was just taking baby steps in machining, which I hadn't done since shop class in 8th grade, and I didn't have a mill yet, the reciever was turned on my lathe and then hand filed.

I now feel competent at those skills and many more.

People and resources found here helped keep my learning curve from becoming a brick wall.

Thank you every one :thumbs:

I couldn't get a decent picture to save my life today, but here they are.

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-71-62397-22_01.JPG

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http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-71-62723-brass_bead.JPG

BIG 54R: mad I give you "MAD" props for that piece totally awesome, was it a fully scratch build. I've wanted a ruger 22 pistol for a long time but totally broke and wife wont sign off on that one even tho she wants one too, she loves those pistols and shoots a friends all the time at the range! DETAILS mad DETAILS on every thing you did to make that beauty!!! CONGRATS... you give me hope!

MADJACK: Yes BIG 54R, every thing but the springs and the sear,(because I had one)

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02-10-2009, 11:13 AM

Someone else post something homemade, I'm tired of scouring the net for this stuff!

Please? :D

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02-13-2009, 03:14 PM

This is a pretty ingenious design for a repeating shotgun, I think it's in 20 gauge. If you look at the trigger/striker assembly it's clear that each time you pull the trigger the striker turns and fires the next barrel. This guy must have been desperate for a weapon, looks like it was hammered together in no time at all with limited resources. If the design was refined it would be a pretty nice weapon, equivalent to a 5-shot semiautomatic shotgun.

Found this on what is apparently the blog (http://grossfater-m.livejournal.com/1113851.html) belonging to the Russian cop who confiscated it. Sorry about the poor translation but that's what Babelfish spit out.

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(unpleasantly smiling) Trans-GluckThor by its hands.
http://i021.radikal.ru/0803/aa/496f12f33a06.jpg
The here this work of weapons skill laid to me head completely. Caliber - near the hunting 20th, 5- barrel [perelomka] with weight about 4-5 kg. device [USM] - most amusing. In the construction are widely used traditional materials, such a one: water pipes, nails, tin metal and brown sexual paint.
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Operational procedure: to raise the locking key above the block it is trunk, to lower block, to load, to shut stems, to harvest to the small front key, to harvest to the large rear key. On 5 times for each. As is evident on the photo, on each stem relies its own face. With the pressure on the front key special [kryuchochek] turns the tube of striker with the [zakreplennoy] on it metallic plate for 1/5 revolutions (so, at least, must be in the theory). With the pressure on the large key two pieces of iron, to the afore-mentioned [prikreplennye] and which catch the tube of striker for the thickening in the tail end, draw off thuya tube back. Approximately through 4 cm of the free motion of [zhelezyachki] they enter into contact with the lobe, [zakreplennym] on the independent foundation. It separates [zhelezyachki], shock worker is freed also under the action of the spring of [idet] forward. Plate of the striker of [bet] on the face - shot (, in addition - in the theory):.
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Happiness, what construction is not completed - the hook, critical for the turning of striker, [zakreplen] extremely weakly and constantly flies from the assumed place, so that the practical rate of fire in construction is extremely small. But - [VNUSHAIT] ([s]). But you speak - [Gatling]…

TonySutton

02-13-2009, 03:26 PM

ihsv

02-13-2009, 03:53 PM

pcosmar

02-13-2009, 03:57 PM

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02-13-2009, 04:00 PM

The most lethal weapon each of us has is the gray matter between our ears. Keep it intact and be ready to use it. Guerrilla warfare will be the tactic of the day. Get your guns, ammo, bandages and food from your enemy. They will no longer need them if you do your job correctly. ;)

USMC (Ret)

But you didn't make your brain in your basement did you (I hope not lol) :p
This thread is about HOMEMADE weapons:D

Great point though, I agree. And thanks for serving our country.

Chosen

02-13-2009, 04:06 PM

Russia has been preventing arms and ammo from getting into Chechnya for a long time now, but the guerrillas there seem pretty ingenious and won't let that get in the way of them fighting the foreign invasion. Here's some weapons confiscated from the rebels in a Russian raid. It looks like they used those "make your own SMG" websites quite a bit:
http://englishrussia.com/?p=965
http://englishrussia.com/images/chechen_weapons/1.jpg
http://englishrussia.com/images/chechen_weapons/3.jpg
http://englishrussia.com/images/chechen_weapons/4.jpg
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http://englishrussia.com/images/chechen_weapons/11.jpg
http://englishrussia.com/images/chechen_weapons/12.jpg
http://englishrussia.com/images/chechen_weapons/16.jpgThose are amazing, thanks for posting them.

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02-13-2009, 04:43 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE74cKd0PwA&feature=related

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02-13-2009, 04:45 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8vsicLROJo&feature=related

Johnnybags

02-13-2009, 05:33 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKNut2Y9x3M

I'll throw this out there sure that you people can extrapolate. I'll say no more but.....................

orafi

02-13-2009, 05:56 PM

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02-14-2009, 08:03 PM

This thing shoots .177 caliber airgun pellets using .22 caliber blanks. Auctioned off on gunbroker.com for $155.
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=118958604

What u are looking at is a hand made one of a kind funtional pistol. It was built by a local gunsmith that long ago past away.It shoots a .177 cal. pellet and is powered by a RWS 22 crimp blank.It sports 6 revolving barrels which hold a tight pattern as indicated by the target.Dementions are 10" long 5.5 " tall.The barrels are manually rotated and it is single action. Good luck bidding R B

EDIT: Whoops, Gunbroker has deleted the auction. The pics are gone.

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02-17-2009, 09:33 PM

Easier to make than firearms, simple projects for the beginner and well suited to survival situations. There's a few other crossbow designs including a 5-shot repeater if you go back to Page 5 of this thread.

Classic Crossbow: http://www.scribd.com/doc/7419770/Build-Your-Own-Classic-Crossbow

Simple Crossbow: http://www.scribd.com/doc/7196252/Crossbow-Designs-2

Homemade Traps and Snares: http://www.scribd.com/doc/3031816/Homemade-Traps-and-Snares

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02-17-2009, 09:50 PM

Home-made Weapon
DAYTON, Ohio - Home-made, 12-gauge shotgun used by Bosniac fighters on display in the Cold War Gallery at the National Museum of the U.S. Air Force. (U.S. Air Force photo).
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/web/060822-F-1234P-005.jpg

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02-27-2009, 07:26 PM

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6476078/The-Foxfire-Book-Volume-05

This is the 5th Foxfire book published. It's a great reference for people who want to learn how to make their own gunpowder and bullets, or build from scratch a classic American flintlock rifle the way our ancestors did. There is a section on rifling a barrel using only hand tools which I found quite interesting. Skip to page 208 if you're only interested in the black powder/gunsmithing part of the book, otherwise there is a bunch of stories and unrelated blacksmithing stuff that comes first.

The scan isn't so great, so if you like the book you may as well buy a hard copy (http://www.amazon.com/Foxfire-5-Inc-Fund/dp/0385143087/ref=pd_sim_b_njs_4) on Amazon.

The Kentucky/Pennsylvania long rifle wouldn't be too practical in a modern combat environment, but it is excellent for survival as you can make the ammo and everything required to shoot it from scratch. Plus there's the nostalgia factor.

I'm considering building one from a kit, since flintlock muzzle-loading long guns are the only type of gun you can legally own and shoot up here in Canada without registration, licensing and fingerprinting.

Here's a little background on the American Long Rifle:
http://www.airbum.com/NeatShtpix/LongRifle.html

http://www.airbum.com/NeatShtpix/Lancaster1.jpg

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03-03-2009, 11:13 PM

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=30;t=18550;st=0

Hi,

I'm new to this forums, internet really is something great. :)
Please be patient with my english :;):

Ok, I want to show some pieces i made in the last decades, chronological, some history, might be amusing.

The first gun I ever built, at the age of 14, was very crude, the barrel casted of lead - I had no tools, or the experience with it to drill one. Should fire 6mm Flobert, the very short ones. Didn't work, only because I didn't know that they were rimfire, the hammer was strong enough to punch a hole exactly in the center... ???

Sorry, no pics made, cant find the parts, I melted the barrel for other things.

Ok, now to the first working gun, some years later. Single shot, same cartridge. Actually, I don't shoot it anymore, would need some fixes to be judged ok mith the knowledge I have today.

As almost all parts of my guns it is made completly vrom scrap metal. The cartrige is hold in place by the small part connected to the steel rod, the rod catches in a screwed-on nose to lock. Most of the recoil is taken by the hammer, with works as breech, sort of. Not enough, actuelly, the part that holds the cartridge gets lose after some dozen shots, I repaired it a few times, but the problem is the design.

The barrel ist drilled from 16mm diameter steel rod with a hand drill, everything is made with simple hand tools. The fireing pin is a M3 screw, adjustible.

It works, but hitting a barn surely is only possible when your'e standing in the middle of it. :;):

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-67450-First.jpg

It is 6mm Rimfire (Iguess you call it), not short or long rifle - the bullets are round, no powder, just the primer. Ok for hunting mice, or for plinking.

"Workings" means the inner parts, right? I didn't disassamble that thing for 20 years now, and there isn't much to see. There is only trigger, sear (I guess, the part that holds the hammer cocked and is moved by the trigger), a trigger spring between this two parts, and the hammer. You can see the main spring in the picture, also the rest of the parts.

Better to proceed :;):

Next thing was a toy gun I bought at a fun fair as a kid, a key pendant. It was designed for this tiny plastic blanks, toy for kids.

Hm, boring :D

Ok, first: It needs a barrel. I found a piece of pipe, had to drill it for the right size for the proofen 6mm. Next step: It needs something to hold the cartridge in place. I had no really intelligent Idea, so I just made a piece of sheet metal that is inserted from the right side, after inserting a cartridge from behind. Works fine.
Next point: the hammer was too light, broke off anyway, and the hammer spring was too weak.
A filed a exact copy of the hammer out of steel, added a firing pin and a second spring, located behind the hammer, around the screw in the grip.

Now it worked :D

But as the first one, I don't shoot it anymore, the frame had a small crack from the beginning, and when one side was through I stopped. Hm, does anyone now how to solder that cheap zinc-alloy?
It's not powerfull, of course, but not a toy. I shot right through my palm once when reloading it, new years eve, ran aout of blanks :( . Went right through, about 4cm, still have the little scars. Learnd a lot that evening, that was the only injury I ever got from a firearm. And the more I know, the greater is the respect. I really believe in the law of Murphy.

Ok, now it's just a piece in the "museum", but I really like it.

Stefun

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-72061-Revolver.jpg
Here you can see the crack in the frame, I would appriciate any hint how to repair it. It's cheap zinc- alloy, no idea how to weld/solder that.

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-73017-crack.jpg

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03-03-2009, 11:20 PM

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=30;t=18550;st=0
Ok, next strike :D

Hm, you know this TV-series "Home Improvement"? With Tim Taylor and his credo "More Power, HarHaraHar!" ?

Ok, that's just what I wanted. Something for a good show, plinking at flower pots is fun, but somehow no action, first the pot, then the sherds...
Better to create a big cloud of dust with one shot :D

More Power :icon_smile_big:

Now...

It isn't really easy to shoot this thing, but it's fun, for sure :;): . It's cal 12, and really hurts if you try to hold it like a small caliber pistol. The tilt- barrel seemed a good concept, but when I started I thought much too complicated. I had an extractor in mind, and a cocking lever that would cock the gun when closing it - I realised that I didn't want a cocked gun without safety early enough, the slot for the lever serves now as a simple indication if there is a cartridge in the barrel or not.

The locking Pin is underneath the barrel this time, activated by the block under the barrel. The innerts are realy simple, and again, this is all made of scrap.

Barrel are waterpipes, ok, inner diameter was a little too big, I rolled a sheet of stainless steel, about 0.5mm thick, und glued it into the barrel- the size is right for the plastic part of the shells. You can see a small gap at the front end of the barrel - the part in front of it is just held by the sheet of steel - I didn't want to cut it, so I glued a piece of Pipe on it :D
Works fine.

There are two side plates, 3mm steel, and the part (how do you call that?) behind the barrel, 10mm steel - where the firing pin (actually a screw from a CD-ROM drive) is located.

Ok, details later.

Stefun

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-11601-shot1.jpg

This was a fast build, crude, made of some scrap material lying around, some ideas like cocking lever and extractor droped during construction.

the mechanism is simple: The reverse-U-shaped part is the sear, catching at a nose at the hammers rear side. It is pushed out of this nose by a push rod connected to the trigger, left of the hammer. the push rod is lifted up when the hammer goes forward - so cocking with the trigger depressed is possible.

You can also see the hammer spring, and the part that guids it.

Under the barrel is the locking pin inside a massive tube, inside of the pin is the spring that forces it backwards.

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-27141-12gauge.jpg

The locking pin is pulled forward with the block under the barrel, the brass tube determins the rearward position.

under the breech face is the hole for the locking pin - and on the left side a rectangular hole for the planned cocking lever, as I mentioned I realised that I didn't want the gun cocked automatically when closed.

This slot works as indicator if the gun is loaded, if not I can see right through the barrel.

The coulours, silver, black and struckered grey, are simple spray-on, and after the years look don#t look that good, but who cares. :;):

Have some more pics of the 9mm on my camera, will sort them out, but can't make new ones until september :O

Stefun

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-27708-12gauge2.jpg

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03-03-2009, 11:25 PM

Here's the story behind that double-barreled pistol that was posted earlier in the thread, and a few more pictures:

Another couple of years later I started to build again. Had got some technical education meanwhile. Ok, now I knew more, enough to be sure that there are lots of things out there I didn't have a clue of. I really try to test my stuff hard before even thinking about shooting it by hand.

Bigger bore and more than 1 shot, it should be.

I found a piece of seamless pipe at the scrapyard with 10mm inner diameter, hm, perfect fit for 9-Para shells, but not for the bullet, and not for the rim.
No Problem.
I casted my own bullets with 10mm, and soldered a pre-bent copper wire to the rim. I know, that's kind of crazy. I could have used .38 shells, but I had the 9 Para lying around from my Tokagypt.

Two barrels, one trigger - and a selection switch. 3 Positions: safe, left, right. The barrels, of course, are not rifled, simple straight pipes.
This gun, too, is completely made of scrap. Tho block under the barrels, for example, is made of two pieces because I coudn't find better material. The barrels are soft-soldered together, also the tube for the locking pin. The selecting lever moves a shaft with nothes that lifts either the left, right, or both connection rods between trigger and sears (I hope that's the name for the part holding the hammers cocked). the "body" of the gun is the middle part, made of 10mm steel, the rest is screwed on it.
I guess it's better to make some pics.

About the performance...

Ok, it is quite powerful. Sometimes more, sometimes less. I had little experience in reloading, and the results were pretty variable, at least, when I started. The Powder I used is too slow - the bullets have no resistance in the barrel, just their mass, I tried some differend weights and shapes and powder loads, now I'm at 2/3 of a 9Para load und a 11 gramm bullet. Not a very practical gun, little use for it because the ammunition is too much work. There is one thing I used it for: hunting rats. I took some .223 cases and widened them to 10mm outer diameter, soldered the copper wire rim to the shells and loaded them whith 3mm shot. Works fine on short distance, most times I needed the second shot to finish the critter of. Got about half a dozen of them with this gun.

Also fun were wooden bullets and very, very little powder (5-10 pieces or so), just enough power to punch holes into cardboard.

Ok, pictures of details and ammo later:

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-16411-garrucha.jpg
Ok, details :)

Barrel lenght is 190mm, you can see the locking mechanism.
http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-20490-garrucha_details.jpg

And now the Ammo. As I sad, the rim is a soldered on piece of copper wire. The shot shells are made from .223, cut and widened to fit the barrel. The bullets are casted of lead and greased.

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-20922-garruche_ammo.jpg

The sears are at the rear of the hammer and are moved by the push-rods, witch are located between the forked trigger base and the center part. at the detail-picture you can see the thin wire-springs that push these rods down, you can also see the selector shaft with one rod lying on it.
The pushrods fall in a notch when the lever (witch also works as positioning spring) and shaft are in the right position.

The push rods are also lifted out of contact when the hammer goes forward, so also if i keep the trigger pressed I can cock the hammer back and it gets catched by the sear.

I could make a drawing if there is interest.

Took some tinkering to find that solution, Internet wasn't available at the time I built that, these pieces are about 20 years old.
But that's what it is about, tinkering, finding solutions, using my hands and simple tools to create something working. These guns are no weapons for me, not even for sport shooting - I have normal, industrial guns for that. The fascinating part ist the process of creating - and most times all I have is a hand drawn scetch on a piece of Paper, no exact plans or so, design is also affected by what I find at the scrapyard.

Ok, I have heard more than once that I lack any sense for aesthetics :;): , crude, simple - but working, that's what many of the things are that leave my workshop.

Stefun

Patience, my friends, patience :anim_beer: , no Internet at home. But I made same pics, just have to resize them and write the story :)

Here is the promised sketch of the selection mechanism, description is a few posts above.

Only one side is shown, the second one is the same, only the notch at the selector shaft is on a different place.

Not shown ist the trigger spring, I think it is on one of the pics.

Actually, I did not build a gun since I have a lathe and a milling machine, and since I learnd to use them. These are old projects - even I wonder sometimes what I have done back then. :;):

I have an actual project, a .22 sporting pistol, but there are not many parts made now, and some have to be redone. How to rechamber a barrel? Drill the old chamber out and insert a piece with the right inside profile? I've seen something like that at hunting rifles, brass (or something like that) chambers for the cartridge, inserted into the barrel. That's what I'm currently tinkering about.

But this thread is for the pieces from my youth, when I didn't know better :;):

Stefun

single-trigger selector switch mechanism for selecting left, right or both barrels:

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-20167-neu_3.gif

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03-03-2009, 11:34 PM

He did this with nothing but hand tools, a drill press and a welder, but it works.
Hi,

took a while, but I made some Pics of another of my old projects.

The double-barrel, and the 12gauge were fun, but I was infected :p

A semi-auto it should be, but my tools still were just a drill press, a welding trafo and hand tools like files and saws...
And I sure had no experience with designing a gun like that, and Internet was something I've actually heard of :D.

Ok, caliber 9mm Para - I had an old Tokagypt anyway, so this Ammo was already there. Barrel- there was a lever at the machine I was working with, made of 9,2/13mm stainless steel tubing - Bingo - I cut it off and replaced it with some scrap

But how could I add a chamber? As I said, I had no experience, and so I took a piece of 10/17,2mm steel pipe (as I used for the twin-barrel), drilled it for about 5mm to 13mm - and welded it to the barrel pipe.

This pipe fitted good into a 20mm square pipe I had, so this became the bolt, together with some other scrap.

Of course the gun had to be simple - so it's simple blowback operated and single action, no safty or catch when tha mag is empty.
Oh, the magazine. Single stack, taking 7 cartridges, made from sheet metal left over from repairing my car, bent and welded, the bottom is filed to shape. The magazine catch is at the lower end of the grip, unintentionelly working very well - holds the magazine in place, but the mag can be pulled out without touching the lever - works fine.

The hammer spring is in the hammer -ok, this thing I copied from the Tokagypt.Simple, compact design.

The reciever is made of 3mm sheet steel, welded and screwed together. Actually, I'm not sure why I fixed the barrel to the reciever at the front end too - I guess I simply wanted to make sure it doesn't move.

Although the gun is crude and simple - it consists of about 100 parts. (counted before welding). Some solutions are complicated, but I didn't know better :;):

Ok, although the barrel is just an oversized pipe the gun has power. Barrel lenght 193mm. Weight about more than 1kg. Unfortunatly the welding of chamber to barrel proved too weak, after some shots there was a leak, so I cut the welding away and did it a second time, better. I also added side plates to the bolt because it was too light for the spring (which I made by expanding a tension spring from a desktop lamp).

Due to it's weight it shoots very smooth, and surprisingly accourate at 10-15m. Ok, the impact holes show the bullets side view, but who cares :p Good enough for plinking. But, as most of my old projects, I don't shoot it any more.

More details later have to edit pics.

Stefun

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-20054-Gun1.jpg

Some closeups, breech held open:

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-21946-gun2.jpg

The welded chamber was, and still is scary, although the new welding seem to hold I don't shoot it any more.

Ok, some pics of the magazine:

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-22903-gun3.jpg

Expatriate

03-03-2009, 11:34 PM

Hammer cocked and released:

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-23494-gun4.jpg

ok, ok, to be honest: I still shoot it occasionally. :;):

I've made special ammo for this thing, slower powder, and less laod than 9Para, but slightly heavier self cast lead bullet. There are still about 200 rounds left which will be used up sometime.

I couldn't use normal shells for that, my bullets have 9,2mm, they wouldn't fit into normal 9 Para. So i had to re"calibrate" spent cases, which were, thanks to the crude chamber, 10mm outer diamater.

The result works, but is far from being professionel -some shots are clearly subsonic, most are not. my reloading experience back then was as thin as my gun design abilitys :;):

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-25269-gun5.jpg

Johnnybags

03-05-2009, 01:29 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSXcV-r1Ifs

the greens would love it as well.

http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/uSXcV-r1Ifs/default.jpg

Expatriate

03-05-2009, 10:30 PM

The M13- awesome ingenuity

the greens would love it as well.

All you need for propellant is water, eh? :cool:

Here's what an HHO powered gun like that would look like if developed into an automatic caseless assault rifle:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3728937.pdf
You have to enter an email and password for this site, you can use this one:
email: randomperson5282@inbox. com
pass.: randomperson

Looks bulkier and it's definitely more complex than conventional arms, but as long as you have a supply of water and a source of power to break the water down you could potentially have unlimited propellant, even if you were reduced to shooting pencils or nails out of it :p

One big advantage I can see, besides the lack of ejected casings, would be the ability to select power levels by adjusting the mixture of gas being metered into the firing chamber.

I bet they would be nicknamed Supersoakers if the military ever used them with HHO as the propellant gas. The above patent was designed for a butane/oxygen mix, but I don't see why it wouldn't work with hydrogen/oxygen.

pcosmar

03-05-2009, 10:52 PM

Don't hit those websites without a proxy.
B)

I hit them.
I am infringed, and have no firearms.
I was on "lists" long before I heard of Ron Paul. No point in trying to hide now.

Well at least not till I do that Shadow and Smoke thing. :D

Johnnybags

03-06-2009, 06:43 AM

All you need for propellant is water, eh? :cool:

Here's what an HHO powered gun like that would look like if developed into an automatic caseless assault rifle:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3728937.pdf
You have to enter an email and password for this site, you can use this one:
email: randomperson5282@inbox. com
pass.: randomperson

Looks bulkier and it's definitely more complex than conventional arms, but as long as you have a supply of water and a source of power to break the water down you could potentially have unlimited propellant, even if you were reduced to shooting pencils or nails out of it :p

One big advantage I can see, besides the lack of ejected casings, would be the ability to select power levels by adjusting the mixture of gas being metered into the firing chamber.

I bet they would be nicknamed Supersoakers if the military ever used them with HHO as the propellant gas. The above patent was designed for a butane/oxygen mix, but I don't see why it wouldn't work with hydrogen/oxygen.

I am amazed at American ingenuity. An HHO cartridge could easily be made for a song rather than generate onboard. Heck, the m13 could have a balloon in the chamber filled with hho, just need flame mechanism to burst the balloon.

Expatriate

03-08-2009, 06:39 AM

Apparently someone (http://www.roguesci.org/theforum/showthread.php?t=3745&page=3) actually has admitted to building one of Philip Luty's do-it-yourself submachine guns (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1805361&postcount=36), and it worked. He used a second-hand 9mm barrel instead of the hydraulic tubing suggested in the plans, making the gun much more accurate than it would normally be. Plus he didn't use any machine tools, not even a drill press. And it worked.

"I was able to build the gun in about 60 hours with only some basic hand tools, and the only power tool was a handheld drill. A drill press and angle grinder would make it easier and go faster but at the time I did not have such things. Many parts described in the book I could not find anywhere. Parts that I could not find include the wag well, 3 inch roll pin, barrel, barrel sleeve, steel collars of the right size. I have worked out many of the problems and this page should help you on your build."
http://i6.tinypic.com/8f4yuqx.jpg

"For the barrel I used a pre-owned UZI barrel purchased from www.auctionarms.com for half the price of a chamber reamer. This barrel is 10 inches long, one inch longer than the tube called for in the book but don’t cut it shorter. The barrel comes chambered and rifled making it more accurate and is a huge time saver. It needs a sleeve to fit into the steel collars. The sleeve has the dimensions of 0.75" x 0.035" x 0.68" and will slide onto the UZI barrel with ease but not sloppy. It is a tap tight fit into the 3/4 inch collars. The set screws on the collars hold it in place against the barrel."

"Close up of sleeve on barrel in collars. I could not find collars with the right outer diameter, only ones with a smaller 1.25 OD. These will not fit into the upper receiver. To fix the problem buy a 1.375" x 0.065" x 1.25" tube and cut it up and put it over the collars to get the right size. It might be a little too large and need to be filed down where it makes contact with the upper receiver to fit in."

"For the breech block I used 0.625" x 0.12" x 0.39" and 0.75" x 0.065" x 0.62 tubes for the center of it. The inside tube is too large and needs to be filed down all around to slide inside the larger one. JB weld is used to secure them together along with the tight fit. Over this goes the steel collars and over those go the 1.375" x 0.065" x 1.25" slices also held on strong by JB weld."

"I could not find the 3 inch roll pin called for in the book. I used a 0.5" x 0.095" x 0.31" tube cut with 2 hacksaw blades on one saw and opened up with files to cut the slot for the ejector. In the center went a round steel rod held in with JB weld and two roll pins."

"The Firing pin is part of a drill bit shank; it was too long at first and was ground down and at an angle to keep from getting caught on the end of the cartridge. It too is glued in with JB weld."

"At the end of the upper receiver is the recoil shield and guide rod. The guide rod is made from a thick metal coat hanger stuck into a steel round with that inside of a collar and that collar inside of the large collar used in the rest of the weapon. This is JB welded together. The end cover is made from scrap left over from making the lower receiver."

"The recoil spring is poorly made. I could not make the spring winding device described in the book. Instead I wrapped the wire around a long thin screw driver with one end clamped down and the wire held on with vice-grips. It does cycle with weapon but will need to be replaced along with the guide rod at some point."

"Trigger is cut and filed from scrap left over from lower receiver."

"Sear is made the same as it is in the book, but mine would bind on the side of the upper receiver to fix this I used some nuts to keep it strait."

"The Magazine is made from a tube that is about the size of the magazine well described in the book and is a tight fit into the lower receiver. The lips were bent in a vise and tapped with a hammer."

"Lips let cartridge protrude enough to allow breach block to catch it."

"I finished the lower receiver with the oil and torch method from the book, it works very well, wipe down the parts that can rust with oil. Many of the parts are made with stainless steel or aluminum, these parts I painted with a semi flat black spray paint. If your breach block doesn’t line up quite right with your chamber file the parts of the block that make contact with the receiver walls to point it in the right direction. Silicone spray does a fantastic job of making the breach block and magazine operate smoothly if you are having friction problems."

"I enjoyed building this weapon, though at times it was frustrating and time consuming. It will go faster and your results will be better if you have better tools, drill press, grinders, welder, and of course some skill with the tools. Don't be discouraged if your parts don't look as nice as the ones in the book, isn't easy to shape everything just right but if you make everything line up on yours it should work. I have only fired one shot from this, and it worked. At some point I will be able to do a full test fire and will update this site when that happens. I expect to be able to do that this summer."

Expatriate

03-08-2009, 07:31 AM

Homemade submachineguns used by U.V.F. "Loyalist" militants in Ireland.
http://www.roguesci.org/theforum/showpost.php?p=102186&postcount=133

Click the thumbnails to see high resolution ImageShack scans.

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7771/avengerqx7.th.jpg (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengerqx7.jpg)http://img222.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7518/avenger2io7.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avenger2io7.jpg)http://img219.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

30 years ago, this rectangular design was popular :
Here is video, unfortunately not of machine gun in action
YouTube - Loyalist - U.V.F Gun lecture. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZBQxKQo2cE)

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8314/avengswernr0.th.jpg (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengswernr0.jpg)http://img222.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
Pretty heavy barrel on these square section smg.
Since no bolts are visible on side of barrel shroud end, I guess the barrel is pinned in place by welding or soldering.

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4205/rectangularsidecf8.th.jpg (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rectangularsidecf8.jpg)http://img222.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

Expatriate

03-09-2009, 01:08 AM

Another design, this is made from round tubing, first one with magazine on side, second has magazine under :
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7328/round1jf7.th.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=round1jf7.jpg)http://img221.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8739/round2pr0.th.jpg (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=round2pr0.jpg)http://img222.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

Apparently, those rectanglar and round designs look like they are based on smg from the book
"improvised weapons of american underground",
another info for that is from magazine Firepower, article (1984)
called ".45 minuteman SMG", its available on net, but horrible scan, maybe somebody could find better.

Expatriate

03-09-2009, 02:31 PM

This is fascinating, these guys make things using Paleolithic technology (stone and wooden tools only), and yet the bows are so nice, almost like works of art.

I'm gonna have to try this some time, I didn't know you could make such great bows out of ordinary branches found in the woods.

5-part video showing how a Paleolithic bow is made:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPJmrWZmSRI&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kcwD23doDA&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PI3rZd8EXE&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTOqqrmegio&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57qfzHsTg9g&feature=channel_page
End result:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmFAtREeMPw
http://photos.imageevent.com/paleoaleo/miscimagesforinternet/websize/Group%201.jpg

Stone Age arrows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c7HFKUS4kg&feature=channel_page

http://mesolithman.avatar.yuku.com/paleoplanet69529

A different guy making a bow in the woods, not using Stone Age technology:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=1y40KyGF1fY&feature=related
Also making arrows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIRVAc23ubw&feature=related

Another primitive hunting bow tutorial:
http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/ieyFAv57-PA/default.jpg
Four part video this time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaEdkHmWDMc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z39mdwqkIA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x49c6narQqc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieyFAv57-PA&feature=related

Making arrows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rbmfWDm3fA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GwJudQdsMY&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p_stbapip0&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtHlhhAYXmc&feature=channel

Check out the other things on that channel, there's a lot of interesting stuff there.
http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/7GwJudQdsMY/default.jpg

Expatriate

03-09-2009, 02:58 PM

.22lr 5 shot repeater:
This is the second 22 rifle I have built, it is almost the same design as one I built a year or so ago. This one feeds from a 5 shot magazine. The barrel, magazine, sight, and about half the springs were purchased, all else was scratch built. I had most of the machining completed before I bought my larger mill and lathe, so most of it was done on my mini lathe and micro mill. I finished the work on the larger equipment.
I'm having some problems posting pictures, I'll try again.
http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-25787-Model_2f.jpg

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-09461-pieces.jpg

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-09056-Model_2e.jpg

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-08852-Model_2d.jpg

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-08759-Model_2c.jpg

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-08612-Model_2a.jpg

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Bolt action .223 single shot:
Here's a project I did about 6 or 7 years ago. Tools available at the time of this build were my lathe, drill press with cross vice, hacksaws and files and a couple visits to a buddy's house for the use of a mill. The parts I used a "real" mill on were the slot in the bottom of the bolt where the hammer swings and the slot in the side of the bolt where the bolt stop / bolt guide rides.

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-12923-ss223_pile_O_parts.jpg

I had a fellow member PM me a couple months ago asking about the can't-fire-out-of-battery safety feature. In the above photo, you can see a small rod projecting upward from the rear of the AR trigger. The top end of this rod goes into a small slot in the bottom of the bolt (just under the root of the bolt handle). The rod will prevent the trigger from being pulled in "near battery" positions. It can be pulled when the bolt is extracted but in that position, there is no risk of the hammer hitting the firing pin.

The rifle is chambered in 223. Because of a lack of primary mechanical extraction, getting a fired case to "pop loose" takes a quick jerk on the bolt handle... not really to bad but somewhat annoying.

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-12780-ss223_barreled_action.jpg

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-12628-ss223_with_bob.jpg

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-12331-ss223.jpg

Expatriate

03-10-2009, 07:48 AM

How to make a:

Long Bow- http://www.vintageprojects.com/archery/bow.pdf
http://vintageprojects.com/archery/bow-2-100.jpg
Flat Bow- http://vintageprojects.com/archery/Flatbow.pdf
http://vintageprojects.com/archery/Flatbow0001_small.jpg
Portable Hunting Bow and Arrowheads- http://vintageprojects.com/archery/hunting-bow.pdf
http://vintageprojects.com/archery/hunting-bow-3-100.jpg
Recurve Bow- http://vintageprojects.com/archery/recurve-bow.pdf
http://vintageprojects.com/archery/recurvebow0001_small.jpg
Pump action Cross Bow- http://vintageprojects.com/archery/crossbowfull.pdf
http://vintageprojects.com/archery/Crossbow0001_small.jpg

Although easier to make than a single shot gun, bows have a much higher rate of fire:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CNEhEeC2-M&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDLHUHxc3-8&feature=related

Not to mention the arrows can carry "special payloads" (probably illegal though:rolleyes:):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbdM69hhUYw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsTyArLtrAA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVahjGXa0vw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7wl9kOZdsE&feature=related

ihsv

03-10-2009, 10:11 AM

http://inventorspot.com/files/images/bluray_1.img_assist_custom.JPG

How to Make a Blu-Ray Laser Phaser
http://inventorspot.com/articles/how_make_bluray_laser_phaser_8145

I couldn't resist :D

Expatriate

03-10-2009, 10:46 AM

Did you ever see the handheld burning laser made by that guy using a mini Maglite and a DVD burner?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgJ0EpxjZBU

I really wouldn't recommend messing around with lasers though, it's way too easy to blind yourself or seriously damage your vision if you point it at something that reflects the beam back into your eye. As a matter of fact, probably the best use for a laser weapon is in blinding your enemies.

noxagol

03-10-2009, 10:55 AM

Expatriate, how did you rifle the barrel? That's the only part I am unable to do.

ihsv

03-10-2009, 11:05 AM

Expatriate

03-10-2009, 11:22 AM

Expatriate, how did you rifle the barrel? That's the only part I am unable to do.

I haven't built any firearms myself since it's mostly illegal to do that in Canada, I was just posting guns I have seen on the net that others have built.

Say, what kind of gun are you building anyway?

If the firearm is only intended to be used in close quarters or as a defensive weapon, then using a non-rifled tube is fine, you won't really notice a difference in accuracy unless you are trying to hit a target a good ways away.

That said, there are a number of ways I know of to rifle barrels. They are all very labor-intensive. The easiest thing to do is to just buy a pre-rifled barrel over the internet, which is almost always non-restricted since it's just a steel tube with grooves on the inside. This will also help in that it should already have the chamber reamed out as well, getting another hard-to-do thing out of the way.

The easiest way to rifle your own barrel is to make a rifling machine. Here's a few examples:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/3602969/firearms-How-to-Build-the-Antique-Rifling-Machine
http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/showthread.php?t=126815
http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=30;t=8647
http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=30;t=19704;st=0
http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-81364-2.JPG

You can also make a piece called a mandrel, which is essentially a hardened rod of the correct caliber with the rifling pattern finely engraved on its surface. Then you form the barrel around the mandrel with a hammer, and slide it off. I don't think that would be practical or even possible for the average person to do at home though.

Expatriate

03-10-2009, 01:05 PM

It can also be used to blind cameras, I imagine.

Check this out: :D

It's a set of infrared (invisible to the naked eye) LEDs that you wear on a headband. It creates a bright spot that shows up on cameras, obscuring your identity. Apparently it is quite easy and cheap to make.
http://www.toytowngermany.com/lofi/index.php/t89761.html
http://www.oberwelt.de/projects/2008/Filo%20art.htm
http://www.toytowngermany.com/forum/uploads/post-16-1203874733.jpg http://www.toytowngermany.com/forum/uploads/post-16-1203874736.jpg http://www.toytowngermany.com/forum/uploads/post-16-1203874741.jpg

I-R.A.S.C.
The device developed by U.R.A. / FILOART offers the public reliable protection against governmental security measures (and those of other surveillance agencies). The I-R.A.S.C. offers security against security, and in so doing reveals the discrepancy in power between the state and the individual. The I-R.A.S.C. not only demonstrates systems of interaction, developed specifically for surveillance purposes between humans and machines, but also between machines themselves. This absurd accumulation of technology is symptomatic, for although the security measures are supposedly for the good of the people, the individual is considered less and less in current security concepts.

The I-R.A.S.C. is an infrared device, which protects against infrared surveillance cameras. It can be made by anybody; no special skills are required. The device radiates infrared light disrupting the reception of infrared surveillance cameras. A sphere of light covers the face of the person under surveillance and as the interaction is invisible to the human eye (at a frequency between 780nm and 1mm), the individual is unaware of what is going on i.e. they don't see the infrared rays emitted by either the surveillance camera or the I-R.A.S.C.

noxagol

03-10-2009, 03:21 PM

Thanks, Expatriate. I'm just looking to see if I can do it, not really after anything other than something that works. If rifling isnt doable, I'll just use large caliber fin stabilzed rounds heh.

noxagol

03-10-2009, 03:37 PM

Also, I make knives and axes and swords by hand, kind of like this (no, that is not me, I lack recording device): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6yiBqgzrJM&feature=related

ihsv

03-10-2009, 04:08 PM

Also, I make knives and axes and swords by hand, kind of like this (no, that is not me, I lack recording device): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6yiBqgzrJM&feature=related

That. Is. Awesome!!!!!

Expatriate

03-10-2009, 04:43 PM

Also, I make knives and axes and swords by hand, kind of like this (no, that is not me, I lack recording device):

That's awesome!

I want to make a hand-and-a-half sword someday, but I hear swordmaking is quite a bit harder than knifemaking, since it's hard to get the temper just right so the sword can hold an edge and not bend too much, but still not shatter on impact. The only guide I have been able to find so far is this:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2911107/How-to-Make-a-Sword

Right now though I'm trying to start work on an oak hunting bow and arrows similar to the designs I posted on the last page. That's the only real projectile weapon I can make legally in Canada without paying through the nose to register it and get a license.

Could you post any pictures of your knives/swords/axes? :)

noxagol

03-11-2009, 11:06 AM

The trick with swords is to get the temperature as even as possible along the length of the blade for the quench. If you have uneven temperatures, when you drop it in your oil/brine drench tank, it will warp. I would make swords but I don't have a big enough forge to heat it for the quench or an oven big enough to temper it.

I'm hoping to get working again on some stuff this weekend or sometime next week. Depends how things play out. I will get some pictures soon if I can remember. I don't have a digital camera myself but my parents just recently got one. So I will post some as soon as I can.

I could also make one for you if you like, just send me a PM and we can talk.

Expatriate

03-14-2009, 05:27 PM

If you want to make a primitive bow and arrow (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2006254&postcount=91) like the ones on the last page, this forum I found has lots of information:

https://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=j8mf724v1lerm2djsu7flv47p0&

Expatriate

03-18-2009, 07:52 PM

By "Fuzzbean". Another example of why it's impossible to successfully ban guns.

OK, here's a good one. A firearm built completely from hardware store stuff, 2x4 lumber, and standard steel material.

The extra barrel in the photo is my test barrel.

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-57950-YAR1.jpg

A close-up of the firing mechanism. Underhammer type.

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-58049-YAR2.jpg

Ergonomically designed.

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-58102-YAR8.jpg

Elevation-adjustable ghost ring battle sights, standard equipment.

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-58202-YAR6.jpg

Sturdy construction.

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-58299-YAR9.jpg

Only the finest kiln-dried lumber used.

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-58383-YAR5.jpg

Featuring the exclusive Fuzzbean Collet Bedding System.

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-58516-YAR7.jpg

Special steel hammer insert for maximum durability.

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-58621-YAR4.jpg

ecessed ignition system protects firer from over 7% of high-pressure gases and flying debris.

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-58732-YAR3.jpg

OK, here's the scoop on the barrel. On the left we have Exhibit A, the test barrel. Note the breechplug is pinned in with a single 1/4" pin. On the right we have Exhibit B, the suspected actual Yooper Assault Rifle barrel. Note there are TWO 1/4" pins securing the breechplug in that case. While it may not be readily apparent to the untrained eye, these innocent looking barrels were both insidiously cut from a single length of J525 HydraBrite hydraulic pressure tubing, 3/4" OD by 9/16" ID. Indeed, they were cut in a calculated and premeditated fashion, such that the breech of one originated from as nearly as possible in the same area of tube as the breech of the other. After completing the necessary drilling, reaming , and assembly, the test barrel was escorted to a remote location for further interrogation. In preparation for this event, two measurement zones were marked onto its surface directly over the powder chamber area. These zones were 90 degrees apart and spaced about 1.25" longitudinally along the barrel. It was determined the barrel measured .751" at each of these locations.

Next, the test barrel was loaded with 70 grains of FFFg black powder and 7/8 ounce of bird shot. This was fired by cannon fuse. No expansion was noted in either measurement zone.

Then, the barrel was loaded with 140 grains FFFg black powder and 1 3/4 ounce of bird shot. This was fired as before. No expansion noted.

Then 210 grains of FFFg blackpowder, and 1 3/4 ounce shot. No expansion.

Then 210 grains FFFg and three .530" lead balls. No expansion.

Following this testing, the test barrel was disassembled and examined very closely. There were no defects noted in the breechplug or breechplug pin. The barrel surface was inspected by observing light reflected off its surface at a shallow angle. A very slight ripple was noted on each side of the fuse hole, outside of the measurement zones. The barrel diameter measured .752" in the area of these ripples.

After much beer drinking and tossing of coins, it was determined that the barrel known as "Exhibit B" might possibly be safe with a single .530" round ball and 30 grains of FFFg blackpowder. Or maybe 60 grains FFg and 3/4 ounce bird shot, if executed in mid-air during a "base jump" and an ambulance was on standby. Considering that J525 tubing has a previous record of being fabricated from plain low-carbon steel, it was felt that the possibility of metal fatigue ruled out routinely using charges which would almost certainly be withstood in a single test shot.

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-61620-YARB1.jpg

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03-18-2009, 07:55 PM

The results of the testing were taken into consideration in the fabrication of the actual YAR barrel. Obviously, threading a large nipple into the thin-walled barrel tube would weaken it greatly. So the breechplug was designed with a recessed powder chamber 5/16" diameter and 3/8" deep. The nipple threads though both the barrel wall and the breechplug wall. Thus the barrel is not weakened in the area of highest pressure, plus the nipple acts as a "fifth locking lug" for the breechplug. The breechplug is 1.450" long.

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-62092-YARB2.jpg

A view of the barrel end. You can see the thickness of the tubing relative to the bore.

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-62212-YARB3.jpg

And the nipple. Made by grinding from a 1/4-28 thread grease fitting. One with a rather long thread. This has a kinda big hole going through it.

Just for fun, I made up a batch of home-made black powder from saltpeter and sulfur I got from a drug store, plus some poplar charcoal I made in a paint can in my woodstove. It shot OK using plastic toy gun caps for ignition, but was really just a stunt. It seems wise to use factory made powder and real percussion caps when in a combat situation.

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/iB_html/uploads/post-30-62625-YARB4.jpg

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03-22-2009, 12:08 AM

This one is pretty ingenious, looks easy to make and the videos show a lot. You can see the extractor quite clearly. Gives you a good idea how it works without having to look at blueprints.

Video 1: Disassembly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hge1D0bfw9Q&feature=channel_page
http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/sHWu_U7xcmU/default.jpg

Video 2: Cycling a bunch of rounds through the action. Only jams twice. :p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SokII5RX7gk&feature=related
http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/SokII5RX7gk/default.jpg

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03-22-2009, 12:22 AM

If you don't really understand how a bolt action rifle functions, this video explains it quite well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47mPQjjGrns&feature=channel_page
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/47mPQjjGrns/default.jpg

The reason for the "primary extraction cam" is to initially pop the case out of the chamber. Since the case swells up from the pressure on firing the gun, it sticks in the chamber and this makes the action much easier. You could make a bolt-action gun without this function, but then you would have to jerk the bolt back forcefully each time you cycled it.

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03-22-2009, 01:07 AM

A harpoon gun, 40mm launcher, 12gauge pistol, dart launcher, and pengun.
http://www.geocities.com/draingun/

http://www.geocities.com/draingun/12ga/02.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/draingun/harpoongun/07.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/draingun/harpoongun/06.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/draingun/pengun/01.jpg

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03-22-2009, 01:27 AM

If you have access to CNC (computerized-numerical-control) equipment, CAD (computer-aided-design) programs, or CAM (computer-aided manufacturing), then you will find this site very interesting. Even if you don't have all that stuff it's still fascinating to download the files and look at them.

http://www.cncguns.com/projects.html
http://www.cncguns.com/downloads.html
(scroll down to the drop-down menus and choose the gun you want to download)

They let you download free .igs files or e-drawings (if you don't have a CAD program) for the manufacture of many parts of modern firearms such as the AR15, Colt 1911, Sig P228, AK47, Beretta 92, and Ruger 10-22.

There's also a lot of pictures of the parts as he manufactures them.

http://www.cncguns.com/images/AR10_10percent-1.jpg
http://www.cncguns.com/images/1911%20action2.gif
http://www.cncguns.com/images/1911_drawing_frame2.jpg
http://www.cncguns.com/images/P3250330.JPG
http://www.cncguns.com/images/receiver_show_complete.jpg

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04-30-2009, 06:08 PM

If you live in Montana or any other state that passed a "Firearms Freedom Act", state law now says you can make these without any kind of permit, license or federal registration. Anywhere else and you have to get an NFA permit from the feds and pay $200 as far as I know.

http://www.freeinfosociety.com/science/silencer.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6588939/Workbench-Silencers-The-Art-of-Improvised-Designs

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3845037/Silent-but-Deadly-More-Homemade-Silencers

http://www.scribd.com/doc/11117081/Home-Workshop-Silencers

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6117204/mini14-home-workshop-mini14-silencer

http://www.freeinfosociety.com/science/pictures/Silencer3.gif
http://guns.connect.fi/rs/krsgraaf.GIF

Athan

04-30-2009, 07:12 PM

Video of a homemade submachine gun (illegal unless you get a Class III license, and even then, manufacture is illegal)

Why the hell is manufacture of them illegal? Its a trade skill.

Unless you don't mind becoming one of the 1,000,000+ (http://www.aclu.org/privacy/35968prs20080714.html) on the "terrorist watch list" :rolleyes:
Didn't DHS and missori already call us that?

virgil47

05-01-2009, 07:25 PM

Relax folks just being registered users of this forum has already put your names on the watch list. I'm sure key word recognition software that the NSA uses has already had many, many hits on these forums. I believe the software program is called Carnivore. Just relax you'll never know when they're coming. Don't resist and it'll be much easier on you. LOL. Welcome to the U.S.S.A.

satchelmcqueen

05-01-2009, 11:09 PM

ild use an air compressed type gun. "no country for good men" made me a fan of that.

Alawn

05-02-2009, 01:20 AM

The new treaty that Obama says he is going to push through will make it illegal to make a gun.

virgil47

05-02-2009, 11:47 AM

Treaties do NOT supersede the U.S. constitution.

silverhawks

05-02-2009, 12:10 PM

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05-18-2009, 11:06 AM

from here: http://www.timawa.net/contributions2.htm

http://www.timawa.net/images/contributions/c_rpg.jpg
(3) - RPG-2 round locally made by the MILF and captured in Buliok, North Cotabato, March 2003

http://www.timawa.net/images/contributions/c_s14_1.jpg
(4) - Mysterious .50 caliber BMG sniper rifle, origin still being determined, Pikit, North Cotabato. US-made receiver, with barrel from a .50 caliber M2 machine gun and a reversed M-60 bipod.

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05-18-2009, 11:18 AM

Like the Khyber Pass, this is another place where the locals build copies of commercial firearms by hand and sell them.
http://www.madinpursuit.com/pakistan/paki_13b.htm

http://www.madinpursuit.com/pakistan/darra_tea.jpg

The dusty village streets were lined with tiny open air workshops, each with brightly handpainted signs advertising machine guns (or handguns or rifles) as if they were tasty fried cakes. Men and boys sat on the floors of these workshops (not a table or chair in sight) making guns from scratch. Their special skill was in taking an assembly-line-produced weapon (Smith & Wesson, Lee-Enfield, Kalashnikov) and reverse engineering it so that they could reproduce it by hand. They used primitive lathes, mud furnaces, anvils, hammers, bow drills and other modest hand-tools. Gun manufacture has little tolerance for error and Pashtuns have little tolerance for exploding weapons, so the Darra craftsmen are experts (even down to reproducing meaningless serial numbers and trademarks).

http://www.madinpursuit.com/pakistan/darra_gunsmith.jpg

http://www.daylife.com/photo/03et8qMaPE3nb
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/03et8qMaPE3nb/610x.jpg
Pakistani tribal men make shotguns in a roadside small workshop in the Darra Adamkhel tribal area, bordering Afghanistan some 50 kms south of Peshawar, 06 March 2007. Darra Adamkhel is Pakistan's largest weapons bazaar and factory, renowned for its gun making expertise since the late 19th century, Darra is a sprawl of hundreds of workshops where some 3,500 gunsmiths toil on replica weapons.

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06-03-2009, 08:35 AM

To download use this account, or make your own.
username: random4570
password: random4570
http://www.scribd.com/doc/5001287/Construction-Guide-Ronald-Brown-Homemade-Guns-And-Homemade-Ammo

How many homemade gun books have you read, only to discover that to make the thing work you needed a metal lathe or a milling machine? This book covers it all: legalities, concepts of ballistics, a basic 12 gauge shotgun design from pipe, simple gunpowder recipes, primer material, reloading and much more - including designs for a homemade double barrel, a muzzleloader, pipe sizes for other calibers, and more! This is one book that really delivers what it promises. Even if you have no intention of ever building a firearm, the information in this book is an insurance policy. No matter where you may live in the world or under what regime, the knowledge represented in this book offers you a chance to cope. It offers hope, not in nice wishes and goodwill, but in tangible fact and step-by-step illustrated instructions. For information purposes only…..

Starts with a basic primer on guns, then it shows you how to make a simple 12 gauge single barrel shotgun, a double barreled version, alternate caliber versions and a muzzleloader (which does not require shells, just gunpowder and rocks to stick down the barrel). Also shows how to do basic reloading (refilling) of shotgun shells, and how to make gunpowder and refill the primers.

A gun like this, while not pretty, could put food on the table and prevent you from starving in a survival situation, and although its usefulness in combat would be marginal at best, it could serve to get you a better weapon.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41CMPTRPXXL._SS500_.jpg (http://www.scribd.com/doc/5001287/Construction-Guide-Ronald-Brown-Homemade-Guns-And-Homemade-Ammo)

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06-03-2009, 09:49 AM

http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/wood115.html

Downloadable .pdf version:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13087631/How-to-Bury-a-Gun-and-Ammo

The method above was used to bury a semiautomatic rifle with ammo for 15 years, and when the owner dug it up it was still in perfect condition.

http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/images/wood115-3.jpg http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/images/wood115-5.jpg

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06-07-2009, 11:41 AM

You can read these free online or download them using the password at the top of this page (if you don't want to give them your email).

Ragnar's Big Book Of Homemade Weapons
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16169095/Benson-Ragnars-Big-Book-of-Homemade-Weapons
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41DRN4DTK7L._SS500_.jpg (http://www.scribd.com/doc/16169095/Benson-Ragnars-Big-Book-of-Homemade-Weapons)

David's Tool Kit: a Citizen's Guide to Taking Out Big Brother's Heavy Weapons
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7162290/Davids-Tool-Kit-a-Citizens-Guide-to-Taking-Out-Big-Brothers-Heavy-Weapons
http://covers.allbookstores.net/c/1243890690/book/full/9781559501439 (http://www.scribd.com/doc/7162290/Davids-Tool-Kit-a-Citizens-Guide-to-Taking-Out-Big-Brothers-Heavy-Weapons)

Expatriate

06-11-2009, 09:34 PM

Homemade .30 carbine on display in the NRA National Firearms Museum:

http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/532/Assault_Carbine.JPG

Expatriate

06-20-2009, 01:10 PM

This is a pretty interesting read. The first part sounds like they're trying to sell you something, but the ebook is free and included in the document so I guess they're just trying to sell you on the idea. Supposedly, if you follow the directions, you can make a semi or fully-automatic weapon in 24 hours of labor using nothing more than a hacksaw and drill, some scrap sheet metal and tubing. It also helps if you have an AK47 trigger set, hammer and grip, as well as magazines and a barrel in the preferred caliber (can be bought on the internet since they're not considered weapons), but at the end of the book they show you how to make those items from scratch if you can't buy them. The weapon itself is chambered in either .22LR, 7.62x25 Tokarev, or 9mm. It could probably be adapted to any other pistol round.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/15655467/24HRAK47

Once again, if you want to download the document you can either use the password several posts above or make your own account.

Also, this is the original forum post that contained this design, the ebook refines the directions and adds more info on making parts:
http://www.weaponeer.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6683&PN=3&TPN=1

Of course, it's only legal to build the semi-auto version in US states that allow it, and if you're not in the US it's probably not legal to build a gun unless you work for the government. So in that case the book is for educational purposes only.

http://www.weaponeer.net/forum/uploads/orionshammer/images/2008-04-01_002047_v2_finished_side.jpg (http://www.scribd.com/doc/15655467/24HRAK47)

In this video the builder is using rubber bands for the recoil spring because he didn't have a suitable spring at the time.
YouTube - BlowbAK Pistol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iukCrZLUK78)

.22 version using 10/22 magazines:
http://www.weaponeer.net/forum/uploads/orionshammer/images/2008-03-07_042158_v1_muzzleflash.jpg

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07-02-2009, 01:59 AM

In case people reading this thread were wondering why so many of the pics and downloads in the earlier part of this thread disappeared, Philip Luty, (a courageous Brit who came up with the best and easiest to make homemade machine gun designs) was abducted by the British Thought Police and had his website (www.thehomegunsmith.com) erased because he published information they didn't like. Nobody knows where he is since apparently under new terrorism laws his government doesn't have to tell anyone. Read about it in this thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=197887

I think I found alternative sources for all his downloads since others were wise enough to save backups:
You might want to download the files in case Scribd deletes them, as they have been known to do with similar information.

To save the files to your hard drive you can use this account or make your own:
username: random4570
password: random4570

Volume I: Simple 9mm Submachine Gun: http://www.scribd.com/doc/6454642/Expedient-Homemade-Firearms-9MM-Sub-Machine-Gun-luty
(You can still buy this book on Amazon if you want a hard copy) - http://www.amazon.com/Expedient-Homemade-Firearms-9mm-Submachine/dp/0873649834

Volume II: Simple .32 or .380 caliber Submachine Gun: http://www.scribd.com/doc/6454766/Expedient-Homemade-Firearms-Vol-II-PA-Luty

9mm Submachine Gun made from British Standard pipe fittings: http://www.scribd.com/doc/6118520/expedient-homemade-firearms-bsp-9mm-smg-p

These ones are from a cache (http://web.archive.org/web/20070317052350/http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/) of his old website:

Square tubing design for 9mm Submachinegun: http://web.archive.org/web/20070226215617/www.thehomegunsmith.com/9mmPistol.shtml

Improved .32 or .380 Submachine Gun MkII: http://web.archive.org/web/20061017131458/thehomegunsmith.com/32-380Pistol.shtml

No machine tools are required to make his original two machine gun designs, that's the beauty of them. Here's one someone made using only a hand drill and a hacksaw:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2004278&postcount=88

Luty's designs have only three moving parts besides the mag and ammo; the bolt, trigger, and sear. You could probably build any of them in a few days of work for less than the cost of a pair of shoes. All are of straight blowback design and fire from an open bolt, meaning that the firing pin is a part of the bolt face. When the trigger is pulled the spring-loaded bolt slams forward, chambering a round and firing it, then is blown back by the recoiling empty shell. The empty shell casing strikes the ejector and flies out of the ejection port cut in the side of the gun, then the bolt slams forward again, picking up another round from the magazine and repeating the process until the trigger is released or the gun runs out of ammo.

Overview of the process of construction for the .32/.380 model:
Home Made Machine Gun - Video (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/884388/home_made_machine_gun/)

Luty also wrote guides on how to make your own improvised ammo if you couldn't buy it:

Homemade .32, .380, or .38 Special Ammunition: http://www.scribd.com/doc/13116830/Expedient-Handgun-Ammo

Homemade 12 gauge and .410 Shotgun Shells: http://www.scribd.com/doc/13116907/Expedient-Homemade-Shotgun-Ammo

(In countries where blank cartridges for replica guns or starter's pistols are not available, nail-gun blanks could be used as primers instead with some modification of the basic idea. The procedure could be used to make many more types of cartridges than the examples given.)

Philip Luty has been charged with "incitement of crimes" because he made this info available. No such thing as free speech in Britain anymore, I suppose. However in America there is absolutely nothing illegal about possessing this information unless you actually build the gun, at which point you will have violated 18 U.S.C. 922(o), the "Gun Owner's Protection Act" (1) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act) and the National Firearms Act which, remember now, shall not be infringed ;).

In the US there is no way to legally build these guns that I know of. You could modify the designs to fire from a closed bolt as a semi-automatic (one shot per trigger pull) with a hammer disconnect, and then they would be legal, but this would also have the effect of greatly increasing the complexity of the gun and making it harder for the average Joe to build.

I'l try to find and restore the original pics eventually. Meanwhile, I guess you might want to pray for Phil if you believe that helps. If anyone discovers anything about what they have done with him please inform us. He has cancer so they'd better be taking good care of him.

Expatriate

07-02-2009, 02:38 AM

Modern infantry would be incomplete without their frag grenades, so why in the name of the 2nd Amendment should you be?
Warning: Grenades in the U.S. require the proper licensing and tax stamps to be legal, so get permission if you don't want to be considered a criminal.

How To Make Fragmentation and Incendiary Hand Grenades:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/14886759/Expedient-Hand-Grenades-G-Dmitrieff-
http://www.deltaforce.com/catalog/media/C-198_005_Expedient_Hand_Grnede.jpg (http://www.scribd.com/doc/14886759/Expedient-Hand-Grenades-G-Dmitrieff-)

How to Make Tracer Bullets, Armor Piercing Incendiary Bullets, and 12 gauge Aerial Thermite Grenades:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/3614244/firearms-The-Private-Weaponeer-Tracers-N-Stuff
http://ep.yimg.com/ip/I/campingsurvival_2057_50570577 (http://www.scribd.com/doc/3614244/firearms-The-Private-Weaponeer-Tracers-N-Stuff)

Black Powder is required for muzzleloaders, and can even be used to reload your modern cased ammo, although it isn't as powerful as modern gunpowders and your gun will require cleaning after a handful of shots. Still, it's better than nothing and can easily be made at home. Plus, it can be used for making cheap solid-fuel rockets, which is a very enjoyable hobby.
http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/foxfire5.html
http://www.scribd.com/doc/14561359/How-to-Make-Black-Powder
http://www.musketeer.ch/blackpowder/homemade_bp.html
If you don't know where to get the ingredients:
Potassium Nitrate, if you don't want to make it from piss :o can be obtained as "Stump Remover" from lawn and garden centers.
Sulfur is not absolutely required for black powder, but it decreases the ignition temperature enough for it to work reliably in flintlock guns. Guns using primers or caps supposedly can use sulfurless powder just fine. It is a fungicide and pesticide, and is often used for cropdusting. You might be able to get it at a farm supply center or a drug store, but otherwise it can be ordered from a chemical supply company, since it is generally unrestricted.
Charcoal is available as, well, charcoal. It has to be powdered though.

Once you have mixed up your black powder, you will want to grind it finely to make it perform well. Use a ball mill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_mill) containing lead musket balls or balls of any other heavy non-sparking material. Ball mills aren't hard to make, just use a capped piece of PVC pipe or something with a lid, fill it about an eighth of the way with balls and jury-rig a motor to roll it slowly on it's side for a day or two. Here's an example of a well-made homebrew design:
http://www.brianredmond.net/pyro/mill.html

Once it is properly ground, you can corn (granulate) it by wetting it and pushing it through a sieve to increase its quality still further. Advantages of corning are as follows:
(from Wikipedia) Around the late 14th century, European powdermakers began adding liquid to the constituents of gunpowder to reduce dust and with it the risk of explosion. The powdermakers would then shape the resulting paste of moistened gunpowder—known as mill cake—into "corns," or granules, to dry. Not only did "corned" powder keep better because of its reduced surface area, gunners also found that it was more powerful and easier to load into guns. The main advantage of corning is that the flame spreads between the granules, lighting them all, before significant gas expansion has occurred (when the gunpowder explodes). Without corning much of the powder away from the initial flame would be blown out of the barrel before it burnt. The size of the granules was different for different types of gun. Prior to corning, gunpowder would gradually demix into its constitutive components and was too unreliable for effective use in guns.

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07-05-2009, 10:14 PM

For those of you who would like to build one of Philip Luty's submachine guns legally, I found a document he released on Scribd that outlines the changes required to make his 9mm BSP submachine gun design into a legal semi-automatic.

This is the original, illegal full-auto design:
9mm Submachine Gun made from British Standard pipe fittings: http://www.scribd.com/doc/6118520/expedient-homemade-firearms-bsp-9mm-smg-p

This is what you'd have to do to it in order to make it legal:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/14423834/BSP-Semi-Auto

Note that this would increase the amount of moving parts from 3 to 7, add some fiddly little springs, and the end result would be a gun with reduced performance. Still, that's what you have to do to comply with federal gun laws in America. The alternative is a hefty jail sentence if you get caught with the original, simple version of the gun.

Expatriate

07-07-2009, 02:13 AM

Looks similar to Luty's designs, but I suppose you could say that for any simple open-bolt SMG. The police say it's very "troubling". I sure hope Canada doesn't go the way of Britain and ban gun schematics because of this. They already banned "defaming of identifiable groups" so it wouldn't be a stretch.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/23/police-find-homemade-submachine-gun/

A submachine-gun seized during a gang house raid in Winnipeg's North End last week is unlike anything a police firearms expert has seen locally before.

What makes the gun so unique -- and troubling, police say -- is the way it was cobbled together.

http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/dynamic_resize/?src=http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/winnipeg/2009/01/13/011309wsshow4.jpg&size=640x480&quality=60
Winnipeg Police Service spokesman Jason Michalyshen displays a weapon seized in the ammunitions raid of a Winnipeg home at a Jan. 12, 2009 press conference. The weapons included one item believed to be a homemade machine gun. (C. Procaylo/SUN MEDIA)

http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/dynamic_resize/?src=http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/winnipeg/2009/01/13/011309wsshow1.jpg&size=640x480&quality=60 http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/dynamic_resize/?src=http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/winnipeg/2009/01/13/011309wsshow2.jpg&size=640x480&quality=60

Duttchen said the gun will be sent to a lab in Ottawa for examination as part of an investigation into its origin.

Police showed the firearms to reporters yesterday, along with an assortment of drugs and a 9-mm handgun seized during a separate bust Saturday afternoon in the 800-block of McCalman Avenue.

"We've got a significant amount of firepower here," Michalyshen said.

Two of the more unusual items were hollowed-out books used to hide about $9,000 in cash, police said.

Officers also seized 31.5 ounces of cocaine, 17 ounces of marijuana, eight Percocet tablets, two grams of hashish oil and 3.2 ounces of the cutting agent benzocaine.

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07-07-2009, 02:59 AM

“Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest.”
— Mahatma Gandhi

The British Empire's prohibitive gun laws are still around today in India.

I guess it's only the law-abiding people who were deprived though - looks like the criminals are manufacturing everything they need with ease, if they don't get it from corrupt officials at the state-owned military and police arms factories.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/05/02/india-elections-causing-illegal-gun-prices-to-rise/

The Election-Gun-Buying-Mania does not appear to be purely an American phenomenon. The black market in India have seen prices for guns double since before the general election. The arms dealers claim the spike in demand is attributed to the various political factions arming themselves.

Raiganj, April 23: An arms selling racket is active in North Dinajpur, thanks to political parties which want to be well-equipped before the elections and are acquiring weapons through criminals who are on their payroll.

This looks well made for a homemade gun. Clearly the maker had access to a milling machine and a decent knowledge of firearms. There must be underground arms factories in India nowadays. Looks patterned after a Beretta 1934 (http://www.tague.at/pistolen/index.htm?/pistolen/pages/en_beretta1934.htm) or a similar pistol.

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Thanks for the info, Mehul. I think the image of the pistol is profound because it shows just how advanced the production of illicit arms really is. That’s a nice piece, and probably rivals some guns available for sale here in the US. It’s even chorme plated. It’s bumper chrome, but still that’s impressive. The grips are even nicely done, meaning that there is a certain level of artisanship and competition that goes into the manufacture of illegal guns. There’s no chance of stopping people from owning guns, ever. It will never happen. It doesn’t even work in countries where they were never allowed to civilians to begin with, and I think that’s great!

I’ve always said that if gun prohibition came to America, it would unleash waves of suppressed, selective fire SMGs and real Assault Rifles the likes of which haunt the Anti-Gunners nightmares, and they would literally be for sale on every street corner in America. Why would people buy these things? Because they already own most everything else! Why would you have a Bolt Action .22 when you could have a select fire SMG if the price and penalties for possession were the same? With the SMG, you’d more than likely be able to reload the ammo, too. If you’re gonna be a Bear, be a Grizzly.

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07-14-2009, 02:33 PM

This SMG is an older design, and obviously much harder to make than the Luty submachineguns (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2192847&postcount=126) on the previous page. It requires a milling machine and a lathe. Also, the article says that the plans have to be modified somewhat for the design to work properly.

It does include an extractor though, unlike the Luty designs, which means it would be much quicker to make the weapon ready again in the event of a dud round. (Lutys rely purely on the power of the recoiling case to extract it from the chamber, so if a round failed to go off you would have to pull the bolt back and put your fingers into the ejection port to remove it). However, I think it would be much easier to add an extractor to a Luty than build the Minuteman design from scratch, if you absolutely had to use poor quality or homemade ammo that was likely to contain duds.

Here's the plans, must be printed out and taped together since the pages are cut in half:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6338854/minuteman-smg-plans

Article describing construction and some design changes (must download to read properly):
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16108379/Minuteman-SMG-cal-45ACP

To download use this account, or make your own.
username: random4570
password: random4570

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Expatriate

07-14-2009, 03:02 PM

Well, say you want to reload your empty shell cases, but you live somewhere where you can't just go out and buy primers, gunpowder and bullets. You can cast your own bullets out of fishing weights or any other source of lead, and you can make black powder or use crushed standard match heads for gunpowder. But most people don't realize that you can use STRIKE-ANYWHERE matches to refill your old primers, so you don't always have to buy new ones.

Army manual (TM 31-210) section about this:
http://www.libertyreferences.com/improvised-munitions-handbook/reusable-primer.shtml

Also how to reload a cartridge using improvised materials:
http://www.libertyreferences.com/improvised-munitions-handbook/rifle-cartridge.shtml

Here's a couple of videos describing how to reload primers:

YouTube - Making Primers Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0jxpLH8FtY&feature=related)
YouTube - Making Primers Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p1Xv6eDFjo&feature=related)

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07-14-2009, 03:25 PM

Shoots 420 rounds per minute and is belt-fed. The 80-year-old builder got caught and the gun was confiscated by police.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/381815.jpg (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/12/finn-invents-electric-drill-powered-machine-gun/)

http://www.hameensanomat.fi/uploaded/image/2004/11/25/2511pyssy.jpg

Not a blowback… it’s pretty easy to see it’s a cam-driven system, the big drum there probably runs the bolt back and forth, and honestly with a .22 rimfire you could probably just have it crush the rim as it comes to the top of the travel, or trip a sear with another little projection/indentation on the drum.

I’ve thought of building such a thing for a long time, except hand-cranked so as to be legal.

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07-14-2009, 11:08 PM

The Borz (Wolf) is not a specific model of gun. It is the name given to any of the many similar small homemade submachineguns found in the hands of Chechen rebels. It is similar to the Luty SMGs (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2192847&postcount=126) posted earlier in that it is fabricated from whatever materials are available, and usually has an unrifled tube for a barrel. However that doesn't matter much at the short ranges it is intended for. Normally it is used to kill a few Russians quickly in a surprise attack, in order to take their superior firearms.
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/3000/3061.htm

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Chechnya’s Homemade Weapons Fuel War
Russian

Rebels are using improvised and home-made weapons to continue their guerrilla war.

By Umalt Dudayev in Grozny (CRS No. 227, 15-Apr-04)

On a chilly day at the beginning of April a short young man wearing a black jacket, jeans and knitted cap pulled right down to his eyes walked briskly through Grozny’s central market. He went up to two Russian officers who were buying cigarettes and beer at a small mud-spattered kiosk.

The young man suddenly pulled out a short-barrelled gun from under his jacket and opened fire on the unsuspecting Russians. Then he dropped his own gun next to the dead bodies and quickly pulled the gun of one officer out from its holster, grabbed a submachine gun lying next to the other and disappeared into a nearby side-street.

When Russian and Chechen security officials arrived at the scene some time later, no one could describe for them what the killer looked like. The only evidence they found was the abandoned Chechen-made Borz – or Wolf – submachine gun.

The Chechen-manufactured Borz is one of a number of weapons, made, reconfigured or repaired in Chechnya, which enable enemies of the Russian military and the pro-Moscow Chechen police force to continue their fight at very low cost. The net result is that even if the Russian authorities were to manage to stop the theft of weapons, or their trade and sale to the rebels, a substantial arsenal will remain in their hands.

The 9-mm submachine gun Borz is an ideal weapon for sudden attacks. It is a small compact gun, whose lightness and ease of use makes up for its poor technical quality.

“This submachine gun has quite poor tactical and technical features,” said Major Anatoly Medvedev, an officer for the Russian intelligence service, the FSB, in Chechnya. “The 9-mm bullets from the Makarov pistol, which the Borz uses, are too powerful for the steel from which the gun’s barrel is made and wear it out quickly. After shooting two or three cartridges, a Borz simply begins to ‘spit’ the bullets out.

“Nonetheless, I would describe this gun as ideal for saboteurs and killers. It has entirely fulfilled its purpose as a weapon used by paramilitary groups of a partisan type. It has a fantastic rate of fire, and once all the bullets have been fired it can simply be thrown away. As far as I know, a Borz costs very little in Chechnya, about 100 US dollars, and its production requires little effort or expense.”

The Borz gun was first produced in 1992 in Grozny’s Krasny Molot factory by the order of the first Chechen president. General Jokhar Dudayev, who personally received the first manufactured weapon bearing the number, 0001. Industrial production of the gun soon stopped due to the lack of good-quality metal and the outbreak of war in 1994. But the homemade manufacture of these weapons has continued up until recently.

Vladimir Semchenko, head of the science department at Moscow’s Central Army Forces Museum of Russia, told IWPR that the main military museum of the country has several Chechen Borz submachine guns in its collection, “One of them was given to our museum as a gift by General Gennady Troshev [who formerly commanded Russian troops in Chechnya]. The exemplars of this gun that we have differ from one another both in their technical features and in appearance, which indicates that they were homemade.”

Adlan Musayev, who used to work at the Krasny Molot factory, said that “only several hundred” Borz guns were produced there but it had spawned many more copies.

Homemade weapons have helped Chechen rebels fight on, particularly in the second conflict that began in 1999. The fighters do not have heavy weaponry but are extremely skilful at fashioning whatever comes to hand into battle arms.

Their guerrilla warfare relies heavily on mines and explosives. Lacking conventional mines, they use unexploded mines and rockets. Sometimes they simply surround the rockets with explosive and blow them up. Often they heat the unexploded weapons over fire and obtain liquid explosive, which they pour into containers, to which they then add metal bolts, nuts and nails to create shrapnel.

The Russian high command, and especially its main spokesman Ilya Shabalkin, has frequently said that its soldiers have found medical syringes at captured militant bases and used this as proof that many fighters are drug addicts. However, it appears that most of these syringes are being used as detonators for mines. De-miners can detect metal objects but do not pick up the presence of plastic syringes.

The guerrillas are also skilled at reusing captured weaponry. Major Medvedev said they had found a heavy machine gun in a militant base in Vedeno in southern Chechnya which had been removed from the turret of an armoured vehicle. “Even those officers who had served in many conflict zones were amazed at what they saw,” he said.

“The fighters put it on a rotating tripod, fixed bicycle handlebars to it, and connected the mechanism of electric trigger to an ordinary battery. As a result they turned it into a very powerful, compact and convenient gun, which is as good as factory-made ones. As the saying in Russia goes, ‘Necessity is the mother of invention’!”

Twenty-three-year-old Iznaur, who fought in the platoon of the famous Chechen commander Hamzat Gelayev, whose death was recently confirmed, reveals another source of weaponry.

“Turning a drive shaft from a KAMAZ truck into a mortar doesn’t take much effort,” he said. “You just need to solder a medium-sized nail to one end of the shaft, and your mortar is ready! All that’s left is to stick it into the ground and you can start shooting. We had several such mortars in our platoon.”

Attempts by pro-independence president Aslan Maskhadov to produce arms in the inter-war period of 1996-9 also created a stock of weaponry that is still being used. Weapons were produced mainly in Grozny at some of the workshops of the half-destroyed Krasnyi Molot and Elektropribor factories and in the third largest city in Chechnya, Argun. The Argun factory mainly produced mortars and grenade launchers.

An FSB officer in Chechnya, who wished to remain anonymous said, “According to our information, before they invaded Dagestan in the summer of 1999, the units of Shamil Basayev and the Arab fighter Khattab received over 250 such mortars and about a thousand auxiliary grenade launchers, which had been manufactured in Argun. Also, in Grozny, Makarov pistols were being made on a territory of a former tram depot. Components were purchased at military factories in Russia.”

Even today in Chechnya one can buy Makarov pistols, refashioned from gas pistols for between 100 and 150 dollars. Makeovers that have an “Ossetian” barrel from North Ossetia are the most popular with the buyers. They are just one part of an arsenal of weaponry that is fuelling the continuing violence in Chechnya.

Umalt Dudayev is a pseudonym of an independent Chechen journalist.

The BORZ ("Wolf") machine-pistol (due to its dimensions, that's more likely assimilable to a large pistol cabable of selective fire than to a real sub-machinegun or machine-carbine) is clandestinely produced in metal workshops of Chechnya to equip "Self-Defence Forces", partisans and separatist-terrorist formations. The weapon is based on the PPS (Sudaev) WW2-era machine-carbine, and it is a blowback-operated gun. Lock is provided by a return spring.
The barrel is securely fastened to the bolt. With the forward movement, the bolt extracts the cartridge from the magazine and chambers it. The weapon fires from the open bolt, and the bullet is ignited by striking pin. The pressure of solid-reactant gases on the bottom of case retards the blow-back at the moment of the shot, and such principle (the retarded blow-back) made it possible to decrease the mass of the bolt and the recoil.

The receiver group is made of stampet sheet steel. The magazine well and the grip are connected to it by spot welding (or sometimes by screws). The bolt is fixed by screws. The very simple sights are all in one with the receiver group. The cocking handle is top-mounted; the BORZ machine-pistol sometimes features a small up-folding stock to help controlling the weapon while full-automatic firing.
The magazine construction is borrowed from the World War 2 - time German "Schmeisser" MP-40.
A second generation machinepistol-submachinegun, called BORZ-20, has been recently spotted in Chechenya; according to the sources the BORZ-20 is a clone of the Israeli MICRO-UZI, firing from the closed-bolt position and having an higher capacity magazine (40 rounds) that's housed in the grip; a sound suppressor might apparently be attached to this BORZ-20.

Pros of the project: the weapon is compact enough, and the availability of low-capacity magazines allows to carry the weapon concealed and ready to fire. The safe - fire selector switch is placed a position that makes possible to switch the safety off and select semi-auto or full-auto fire while still holding the weapon from the grip, and keeping the finger at the trigger's reach; and, since the cocking handle is placed upside, that can be cocked ambidextrously. Also, the grip of this weapon is reported to be fairly ergonomic, and the elongated magazine well can be hold as a foregrip to allow better control of the weapon in full-autofire. The fore part of the bolt has been engineered with a protrudescence to work as a spent cases deflector, so that such an item is not required as a separate part.

Cons of the project: the offensive capabilities of this weapon in actual combat situations is modest due to its weak cartridge and of the general low quality in manufacture of most existing BORZ machine-pistols (which are for the most part made in clandestinely-made in backyard workshops). The weapon is largely inaccurate in full-autofire, and its short aiming line further decreases the accuracy. Bolt, barrel and sights tend to wear out. The presence of the up-folding butt (in the models that are actually provided with it) doesn't even helps much in aimed fire because its accommodation is actually defective, and it can be partially effective in its function only if kept against the stomach or the thigh. The bolt of this machine-pistol has a very short service life; the safety of the weapon can be engaged only when the bolt is open, and this can lead to accidental discharges if the BORZ is dropped or receives a hit. Reliability is also poor. The dirt normally caused by the shooting can pollute the chamber or the bolt, thus leading to misfires. The tooth of the ejector can often cause the separation of the bullet case collar (or of a piece of the case anyway) that goes stuck in the ejection window, causing jammings or preventing a new round from being chambered. The early opening of bore leads to the ejection of solid-reactant gases inside the receiver group, and this doesn't only causes the rapid overheating of the weapon, but also dirts the striking pin.

-THE HISTORY AND THE CURRENT SITUATION-
The Chechen-manufactured BORZ is one of a number of weapons, made, reconfigured or repaired in Chechnya, which enable enemies of the Russian military and the pro-Moscow Chechen police force to continue their fight at very low cost. The net result is that even if the Russian authorities were to manage to stop the theft of weapons, or their trade and sale to the rebels, a substantial arsenal will remain in their hands.

The 9x18mm BORZ machine-pistol is an ideal weapon for sudden attacks. It is a small compact gun, whose lightness and ease of use makes up for its poor technical quality.

Here are some declarations of Maj. ANATOLY MEDVEDEV, an FSB (Russian Intelligence Service) officer dispatched to Chechenya:
"This machine-pistol has quite poor tactical and technical features. The 9x18mm bullets from the Makarov pistol, used in the BORZ, are too powerful for the steel from which the gun’s barrel is made and wear it out quickly. After shooting two or three cartridges, a Borz simply begins to ‘spit’ the bullets out. Nonetheless, I would describe this gun as ideal for saboteurs and killers. It has entirely fulfilled its purpose as a weapon used by paramilitary groups of a partisan type. It has a fantastic rate of fire, and once all the bullets have been fired it can simply be thrown away. As far as I know, a BORZ costs very little in Chechenya, about 100 US Dollars, and its production requires little effort or expense".

The BORZ machine-pistol was first produced in 1992 in Grozny’s Krasny Molot factory by the order of the first Chechen president. General Jokhar Dudayev, who personally received the first manufactured weapon bearing the number, 0001. Industrial production of the gun soon stopped due to the lack of good-quality metal and the outbreak of war in 1994. But the homemade manufacture of these weapons has continued up until recently.

VLADIMIR SEMCHENKO, head of the science department at Moscow’s Central Army Forces Museum of Russia, declares that the main military museum of the country has several Chechen BORZ machine-pistols in its collection:
"One of them was given to our museum as a gift by General Gennady Troshev [who formerly commanded Russian troops in Chechenya]. The exemplars of this gun that we have differ from one another both in their technical features and in appearance, which indicates that they were homemade".

ADLAN MUSAYEV, formerly employed at the Krasny Molot factory, declares:
"Only an handful of huntdeds of BORZ machine-pistols were produced there but it had spawned many more copies. As far as I recall, in two military campaigns the only weapon the extremists have managed to develop and start makeshift production of is the primitive BORZ machine-pistol."

Expatriate

07-14-2009, 11:25 PM

Obviously homemade. Found it on a Russian site with no comment attached so I don't know its history. Looks like it was designed for maximum concealability without sacrificing firepower. The magazine actually forms the grip, which is interesting.

http://talks.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/000759/759627.jpghttp://talks.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/000759/759631.jpg
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07-15-2009, 02:43 PM

Although making a fully-automatic submachinegun (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2192847&postcount=126) is almost as easy as a single-shot weapon, full-autos usually require test firing and tweaking in order to get them to work right. This is time consuming and, unless a silencer (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2104162&postcount=112) is also made, could get you in trouble if the test-firings are heard by others.

If you needed weapons in short order that would work properly without testing, you might want to make several single-shot guns instead of an automatic. They actually do have some advantages; for one, you don't have to make a magazine, which can be a tricky procedure. Two, if fitted with a "silencer", a single-shot weapon will be far quieter than an automatic, because the bolt does not slam back and forth loudly when fired, and there's no cases ejected on the floor. Three, theoretically if you lived in an oppressive country and were caught, single shot weapons are usually considered less of an offense than automatic weapons, and probably wouldn't trigger a large investigation. Of course, you shouldn't use this information to break the law, it is intended for study purposes only.

Another useful thing about single shot weapons is that, since they have no repeating mechanism, they don't have to use factory made ammo. If you make a muzzle loaded weapon, you can use rocks, ball bearings or fishing weights for bullets and crushed match heads for gunpowder. You could use a battery, a switch, and a filament from a light bulb to ignite the charges, if other methods of ignition were too difficult to construct. For breech loading, you could make your own shotgun shells (http://www.scribd.com/doc/13116907/Expedient-Homemade-Shotgun-Ammo) or pistol rounds (http://www.scribd.com/doc/13116830/Expedient-Handgun-Ammo) using cardboard, plastic or metal tubes for the cases. Toy caps or strike-anywhere match heads can be used to make primers. So even if you can't get your hands on real ammunition you can still make a serviceable weapon. Several of the following guides detail this procedure.

All single shot designs can be made into multiple shot weapons by attaching more barrels and triggers, or modifying the trigger to fire the next barrel with a rotating striker each time you pull it, like this rather crude design (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1962748&postcount=65). There was once a commercially manufactured self-defense shotgun (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1928932&postcount=55) that worked like this. There is also a modern compact 4-barreled, 4 shot pistol called the COP-357 that uses the same principle.

Here are three of Philip Luty's designs for improvised single-shot weapons.

.22 caliber silenced pistol (.pdf):
http://web.archive.org/web/20070304115943/www.thehomegunsmith.com/pdf/22pistol.pdf
US legal version:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070304091510/improvisedweapons.1colony.com/about.html

.22 caliber "Pen Gun":
http://web.archive.org/web/20070221071858/www.thehomegunsmith.com/pdf/ZipGun.pdf

12 gauge Shotgun Pistol (.pdf):
http://web.archive.org/web/20070221044637/www.thehomegunsmith.com/pdf/12g-pistol.pdf
Overview of parts:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070926123754/www.thehomegunsmith.com/pdf/12g_Schmatics.pdf

Standard tubing sizes that can be used to make barrels for various calibers:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070217154716/www.thehomegunsmith.com/gunbarrels.shtml

This manual was posted earlier, but it's a good read, so I'll repost it here.
Contains instructions for homemade ammo, as well as a homemade double-barrel shotgun:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/5001287/Construction-Guide-Ronald-Brown-Homemade-Guns-And-Homemade-Ammo

From U.S. Army Technical Manual TM 31-210 (http://www.libertyreferences.com/improvised-munitions-handbook/improvised-munitions-handbook.shtml) Improvised Munitions Handbook:

9mm Pipe Pistol:
http://www.libertyreferences.com/improvised-munitions-handbook/pipe-pistol-for-9mm-ammunition.shtml

12 gauge Shotgun:
http://www.libertyreferences.com/improvised-munitions-handbook/shotgun-12-gauge.shtml

7.62mm Rifle:
http://www.libertyreferences.com/improvised-munitions-handbook/carbine-7.62mm-standard-rifle-ammunition.shtml

.45 Pipe Pistol:
http://www.libertyreferences.com/improvised-munitions-handbook/pipe-pistol-for-45-caliber-ammunition.shtml

Match head shotgun:
http://www.libertyreferences.com/improvised-munitions-handbook/match-gun.shtml

.38 pipe pistol:
http://www.libertyreferences.com/improvised-munitions-handbook/pipe-pistol-for-38-caliber-ammunition.shtml

.22 pipe pistol:
http://www.libertyreferences.com/improvised-munitions-handbook/pipe-pistol-for-22-caliber-ammunition.shtml

Silencer:
http://www.libertyreferences.com/improvised-munitions-handbook/low-signature-system.shtml

How to use the improvised shotgun to launch Molotov Cocktails:
http://www.libertyreferences.com/improvised-munitions-handbook/fire-bottle-launcher.shtml

Some pics of single shot weapons:

http://web.archive.org/web/20070304091510/http://improvisedweapons.1colony.com/images/.22_pistol_1.5.jpghttp://web.archive.org/web/20070224011441/http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/pics/menubar12g.jpg

http://web.archive.org/web/20070210124638/http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/pics/homemade410shotgun.jpg

http://www.instructables.com/files/deriv/FD0/19R9/F82EZI1L/FD019R9F82EZI1L.MEDIUM.jpghttp://www.instructables.com/files/deriv/F6Z/98OI/F82EZI1K/F6Z98OIF82EZI1K.MEDIUM.jpg

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Expatriate

07-26-2009, 11:03 AM

If firearms can be made in prison, under the very nose of the state, it leaves no doubt as to how easy it is. Why some people think that outlawing guns will keep them from being made in the outside world is a real mystery to me.

Double barreled Shotgun:
"made from iron bedposts; charge made of pieces of lead from curtain tape and match-heads, to be ignited by AA batteries and a broken light bulb. On May 21, 1984 two inmates of a prison in Celle, Germany, took a jailer as a hostage, showed off their fire power by letting go at a pane of bullet-proof glass (bottom right), and escaped by car."

http://www.marcsteinmetz.com/images/fluchtstuecke/flucht_gewehr.jpg

Double-barreled Pistol:
"This gun was found along with other homemade firearms in the cell of two Celle prison inmates on November 15, 1984. The weapons had been made in the prison’s metal workshop. They were loaded with pieces of steel and match-heads."

http://www.marcsteinmetz.com/images/fluchtstuecke/flucht_pistole.jpg

Four Shot Pistol:
"A 4-barrel zip gun found on the shelves of the Kingston Penitentiary library on October 1945. The trigger, now missing, was a clasp from an overshoe."
http://crimesift.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/zipgun.jpg

Shiv:
"disguised as a wooden crucifix; found in an inmate’s cell in Wolfenbüttel prison, Germany, sometime around 1994; intended for use in an escape or as a general weapon. At that time a lot of crucifixes were fashioned in prison woodshops until jailers finally figured out their true purpose.[/QUOTE]

http://www.marcsteinmetz.com/images/fluchtstuecke/flucht_kreuz.jpg

Two-shot zip gun:
https://www.busaccagallery.com/userfiles/9009PrisonZipGun2.jpg

Expatriate

08-04-2009, 10:14 PM

Remember that Mythbusters episode where they made a lethal crossbow out of paper?

Check out the videos in this guy's account. He hardens paper by gluing multiple layers of it together, basically a "papier mache" technique, and makes functioning ammo and firearms using the hardened paper. Yes, they use gunpowder, and yes, they are made from paper. I think the primers are toy caps wrapped in hardened paper, with a small piece of metal inside for them to be crushed against by the firing pin.

You could easily make a gun suitable for hunting small game with this technique. If you rolled the barrel thick enough to withstand higher pressures, you could doubtless make a gun that could defend against humans as well.

I bet you could also make paper cartridges that would work in a real firearm, or even a paper firearm that could use real cartridges. The main drawback to this construction material is the time it takes the glue to dry, and also the fact that it has to be painted to be waterproof.

Also, if you wanted to make a gun for recreational shooting but were afraid of the barrel blowing up and maiming you, paper guns might be a good place to start, since a PAPER barrel blowing up is basically like a firecracker, no deadly shrapnel is produced. As long as you didn't hold the gun by the barrel you'd be fine.

YouTube - stuff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfubSyxvHyE&feature=channel_page)
YouTube - homemade shotgun shells (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z65q5nk-c8w&feature=channel_page)
YouTube - homemade slug shell (loading) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg4cJGaDqoY&feature=channel_page)
YouTube - Homemade Bullet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt3fuWpuZZ4&feature=channel_page)
YouTube - M1911 Experiment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE0p03j1QWs&feature=channel_page)
YouTube - Paper M1911 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEulW7F5JV4&feature=channel_page)
YouTube - paper craft 5 (k98 blank + pencil shooting) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlH3zrsmKPc&feature=channel_page)
YouTube - paper craft 2 (k98 bolt action) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z26zY6j8C0s&feature=channel_page)
YouTube - Teaser 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otAFUy32AD0&feature=channel_page)
YouTube - paper AK Pistol thing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnHEZzHvlw4&feature=channel_page)
YouTube - AWSM Update/ Preview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhak4_pr4wo&feature=channel_page)

Call Me V

08-06-2009, 02:32 AM

Wow. The paper guns are seriously ridiculous.

This is the best example yet why gun control would not work.

Objectivist

08-06-2009, 04:28 AM

I can make napalm.

Expatriate

08-19-2009, 02:52 PM

This book is for the advanced home gunsmith - assuming you live somewhere other than the US where it's legal to build fully automatic weapons. Otherwise it's for study purposes only as protected by the 1st Amendment, which is afforded a little more respect by the fedgov than the 2nd.

Combine the information in this book with the rather spartan, but easy to build SMG plans already posted (1 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1805361&postcount=36)) (2 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1810085&postcount=37)) (3 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2175048&postcount=125)) (4 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2192847&postcount=126)) (5 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2210015&postcount=131)) (6 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2004278&postcount=88)) (7 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2197472&postcount=128)) and you will have a pretty good base of information to start designing and building military-grade automatics. The first part contains useful information on history and development, trigger groups, firing mechanisms, capabilities and ammunition. The last section of the book contains blueprints and manufacturing instructions for the British Sten submachine gun as well as the Russian PPSh 41. Note however that both these guns were designed for mass production, not home construction, and may be somewhat difficult for the average person to attempt. You would be better served using the information to improve upon the simple SMG designs posted earlier, for example adding a selective fire mechanism or improving the bolt.

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Expatriate

08-23-2009, 09:17 PM

This book looks like a decent source of information if you want to build a bolt-action rifle from scratch. Unlike some of the other weapon designs shown in this thread, a bolt rifle is perfectly legal to build without a permit most places in the US. The book assumes that you have a lathe and milling machine, as well as machining experience (it doesn't explain or define terms such as "broach (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broaching_%28metalworking%29)") so it's not as if anyone could pick it up and create a gun from scratch. However some of the information could be useful for improving simpler designs or just learning more about rifles.

To download, click the link, then right click the word "PDF" and click "Save Link As..."

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Description of contents:
Introduction - Mr. Holmes defines what gunmaking is and how one may become a gunmaker.

Tools and Equipment - A good lathe and mill are mandatory. If you cannot acquire good machine tools and learn how to use them, then you should just forget about trying to fabricate a quality firearm.

Materials - Description of high-alloy steel, chamber reamers and stock wood with sources for purchasing.

Design - Bolt-action design featuring a one-piece receiver with three forward locking lugs, one-piece bolt with three locking lugs, model 70-type three position safety, model 70-type trigger, and a Sako-type extractor. The advantage of three locking lugs is that they are easier to cut with a shop-made broach. The proper scope base will have to be determined by the maker.

Receiver Manufacture - Describes the design and machining process of producing the receiver. Also included are instructions on making the broach used to form the receiver locking lugs.

Bolt Manufacture - Describes the design and machining process, fitting the extractor, and welding the bolt handle.

Trigger Assemblies - Describes the design and machining process of a model 70-type trigger. Also included, are instructions for fitting such a trigger to the 98 Mauser, P14/17 Enfield, and US Springfield. This chapter alone is worth the price of the book.

Safeties - Describes the design and machining process of a three-position model 70-type safety, bolt sleeve, firing pin, and cocking piece.

Bolt Stop and Ejector - Describes the design and machining process of the bolt stop and ejector.

Magazines, Trigger Guards, and Floorplates - Describes the design and fabrication process of a one-piece steel trigger guard with hinged floorplate. A custom Savage 110 or Remington Model Seven would not be complete without an elegantly shaped steel trigger guard. Since none are available for purchase, you will have to make them.

Modification of Existing Actions - Brief descriptions of what can be done to sporterize the Mauser 98, P-14/17 Enfield, and US Springfield.

Barrel Fitting, Chambering, and Shaping - Very little is described about threading, chambering, and fitting a rifle barrel. Most of the chapter is devoted to the process of forming fluted and octagon barrels. A drawing of a barrel support tool used in machining is included.

Iron Sights and Quarter Ribs - A very good description on tooling and process for producing band sight bases, and quarter ribs.

Muzzle Brakes - Describes the design and machining process of making muzzle brakes. I have no doubt that Mr. Holmes muzzle brakes work well, but they add nothing to the appearance of the completed rifle.

Stocks - Describes producing a one-piece wood stock from the blank by hand. Semi-inleted and shaped stocks are not readily available for such a unique rifle action. This is something that more hobby gunsmiths should consider learning. With practice, it is not really that hard to do. Brief description of quality stock wood and stock finishing.

Checkering - A very good chapter with patterns on hand checkering. This is another skill that more hobby gunsmiths should consider learning. It's too bad Mr. Holmes did not include plans for making a checkering cradle.

Buttplates - Describes producing and forming a curved steel butt plate and grip cap. Make or buy? You can decide, but it is still a good process to know.

Heat Treatment - Describes the heat treatment of high-alloy steel. Mr. Holmes recommends that the receiver and bolt be sent to experts. The other parts can be heat treated in shop.

Finishing and Coloring - Instructions are given only for metal preparation. The preparation requires most of the work and skill in producing a fine metal finish. No bluing process is explained.

Adjusting and Test-Firing - Describes proper checking and testing of the trigger-safety system, feeding, extraction, and ejection before live firing. The rest is safety precautions.