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CareerTech1
01-23-2008, 05:42 PM
"Everyone is basically a Socialist except Ron Paul" MSNBC's Tucker

He just actually said this!!!

RON PAUL!!!

RevolutionSD
01-23-2008, 05:43 PM
Tucker has mental problems.

Go RON PAUL!

CareerTech1
01-23-2008, 05:44 PM
that was a complement :-)

Warrior_of_Freedom
01-23-2008, 05:44 PM
video?

randomname
01-23-2008, 05:44 PM
Tucker has mental problems.

Go RON PAUL!

But he's right :D

InJ3cted
01-23-2008, 05:44 PM
tube?

Mystile
01-23-2008, 05:45 PM
socialism is the cancer killing America. (neocons are pretty socialist themselves)

CareerTech1
01-23-2008, 05:45 PM
it was just on - doubt it will be up for a bit

RevolutionSD
01-23-2008, 05:45 PM
that was a complement :-)

Yes but Tucker trashes Paul one day and praises him the next. He cannot be trusted!

CareerTech1
01-23-2008, 05:46 PM
Socialism = Soviet Union
Ron Paul = America as defined by Jefferson, Franklin, Washingon, Madison, etc.

billyjoeallen
01-23-2008, 05:47 PM
we need a youtube.

clintontj72
01-23-2008, 05:47 PM
I cannot wait to see a youtube of this!

BeFranklin
01-23-2008, 05:52 PM
that was a complement :-)

Tucker has no mental problems at all, he's brilliant! LOL :D

Hangly Man
01-23-2008, 05:53 PM
Yes but Tucker trashes Paul one day and praises him the next. He cannot be trusted!

He didn't trash Ron Paul, he was as blindsided by that guest as we were.

Save your criticism for Bill Maher.

Zydeco
01-23-2008, 05:55 PM
He's right, of course

Soccrmastr
01-23-2008, 05:56 PM
socialism is the cancer killing America. (neocons are pretty socialist themselves)

trolls are the cancer that is killing RPF

Wyurm
01-23-2008, 05:59 PM
Yes but Tucker trashes Paul one day and praises him the next. He cannot be trusted!

I'm not a doctor, but could he be bi-polar maybe? I mean it would explain why one day he's our best friend in bad times and the next day he's our worst enemy. It's a wierd love/hate relationship he generates.

Edit: and before anyone gets upset with that statement, let me say I'm being serious and it's not a joke, nor an attack on Tucker.

colecrowe
01-23-2008, 06:00 PM
That is so true--especially when you view Romney talking about his healthcare program plans at the NH debate and the NH forum from early January. That stuff was crazy--totally nationalized healthcare. Pure socialist garbage. And they didn't even ask the DOCTOR of 30 years about the healthcare problem!

FSP-Rebel
01-23-2008, 06:02 PM
Utube...

chrismatthews
01-23-2008, 06:03 PM
I'm not a doctor, but could he be bi-polar maybe? I mean it would explain why one day he's our best friend in bad times and the next day he's our worst enemy. It's a wierd love/hate relationship he generates.

Edit: and before anyone gets upset with that statement, let me say I'm being serious and it's not a joke, nor an attack on Tucker.


Tuckers from a different wing of libertarianism than Paul, thus the apparent duplicity. He's a cosmo where Paul is a paleo. No disputes are ever as violent as domestic disputes.

benhaskins
01-23-2008, 06:03 PM
it would be nice if tucker started plugging ron paul on a regular basis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsVkV3AZqqI

RonPaulVolunteer
01-23-2008, 06:07 PM
it would be nice if tucker started plugging ron paul on a regular basis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsVkV3AZqqI

It's NOT the YouTube.... ignore it...

.

LudwigVan Kubrick
01-23-2008, 06:15 PM
surprised no one has it by now

m72mc
01-23-2008, 06:17 PM
Socialism = Soviet Union
Ron Paul = America as defined by Jefferson, Franklin, Washingon, Madison, etc.

actually

soviet union was = communist

socialism is not the same thing

clintontj72
01-23-2008, 06:24 PM
arrrrggggg....need youtube....ahhhhhhgrrrrrrr!

jeffrey7
01-23-2008, 06:27 PM
Tuckers from a different wing of libertarianism than Paul, thus the apparent duplicity. He's a cosmo where Paul is a paleo. No disputes are ever as violent as domestic disputes.

what is the difference between the two?

FunkBuddha
01-23-2008, 06:29 PM
It'll be a while, but I'll youtube it. Can someone tell me about what time it was on?

FunkBuddha
01-23-2008, 06:29 PM
it would be nice if tucker started plugging ron paul on a regular basis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsVkV3AZqqI

thanks for the Bob Marley...

LudwigVan Kubrick
01-23-2008, 06:31 PM
I'm going to just DVR MSNBC and CNN from now on. Then I wil upload to some place advertising something I want to advertise. Then drop the link here. Everybody wins. People get to see their videos quicker too.

Or maybe someone else should have thought of this 4 months ago? ;)


/end bump motivated rant

PimpBlimp
01-23-2008, 06:35 PM
what is the difference between the two?

With communism, the government takes everything from everybody and is supposed to distribute it evenly.

With socialism, the government takes from everybody and gives to the poor mostly.

The problem with both is that people get lazy and dependent on the government's givings. They no longer have the urge to do for themselves and explore or create.

basically one big clusterfuck


I say let the markets and natural selection decide.

It is how life has worked for billions of years/

rtil
01-23-2008, 06:37 PM
Communism and socialism might as well be the same thing - because they both don't work.

And Tucker joins the ranks of Ron Paul in my "hero" list.

luvthedoc08
01-23-2008, 06:42 PM
With communism, the government takes everything from everybody and is supposed to distribute it evenly.

With socialism, the government takes from everybody and gives to the poor mostly.

The problem with both is that people get lazy and dependent on the government's givings. They no longer have the urge to do for themselves and explore or create.

basically one big clusterfuck


I say let the markets and natural selection decide.

It is how life has worked for billions of years/

i think he was referring to the difference between the cosmo and paleo brand of libertarianism, which i know nothing about btw

MRK
01-23-2008, 06:45 PM
Socialism is soft communism.

jeffrey7
01-23-2008, 06:46 PM
i think he was referring to the difference between the cosmo and paleo brand of libertarianism, which i know nothing about btw

that is correct

Paul Revered
01-23-2008, 06:47 PM
"Everyone is basically a Socialist except Ron Paul" MSNBC's Tucker

He just actually said this!!!

RON PAUL!!!
I posted this on MySpace.

Kotin
01-23-2008, 06:54 PM
haha tucker is always goofy and sometimes helpful lol

DirtMcGirt
01-23-2008, 06:57 PM
tucker loves RP...

pacelli
01-23-2008, 06:59 PM
I'm not a doctor, but could he be bi-polar maybe? I mean it would explain why one day he's our best friend in bad times and the next day he's our worst enemy. It's a wierd love/hate relationship he generates.

Edit: and before anyone gets upset with that statement, let me say I'm being serious and it's not a joke, nor an attack on Tucker.

What you are describing is more indicative of a personality disorder rather than a mood disorder.

Highstreet
01-23-2008, 07:00 PM
Yes but Tucker trashes Paul one day and praises him the next. He cannot be trusted!

Tucker has always supported Paul. He just didn't do his research with Kirchick.

FunkBuddha
01-23-2008, 09:18 PM
Can someone quickly tell me about where Tucker makes this comment? I have the whole show encoded, but I need to cut it.

snaFU
01-23-2008, 09:25 PM
tucker invited kirchick to the show fuck both of them.

SeanEdwards
01-23-2008, 09:28 PM
Communism is a utopian idea that has never been achieved by any modern nation state. The closest thing to communist societies are probably some stone-age hunter-gatherer tribal type communities of less than 100 people.

Socialism is what we get from nation states that are run by people who admire communist ideals. Which at this point is basically every government on the planet. I can't think of a single nation that believes in individual liberty in the way that the founding fathers of the U.S. did. The very notion is regarded as a quaint anachronism by the over-educated fools running this circus.

Oh BTW, fuck Tucker.

Fields
01-23-2008, 09:29 PM
youtube yet?

Joe3113
01-23-2008, 09:30 PM
trolls are the cancer that is killing RPF

So you like socialism?

tomveil
01-23-2008, 09:34 PM
Communism is a utopian idea that has never been achieved by any modern nation state. The closest thing to communist societies are probably some stone-age hunter-gatherer tribal type communities of less than 100 people.

This is a very important point to make. Socialism is by far the best form of government as long as you've got a small number of people. Once you grow beyond your monkeysphere, however, you've got problems. Testing shows this to be about 150 people or so. So for a country, there's no way that it ever works. For a small island of you and your friends, it's the natural form of government.

/soapbox :)

Edit to put the link to monkeysphere:

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/monkeysphere.html

jd603
01-23-2008, 10:38 PM
This is a great angle to explain to people. I think you can probably stretch that number into the thousands, but so what, it all falls apart with MILLIONS of people. :)



This is a very important point to make. Socialism is by far the best form of government as long as you've got a small number of people. Once you grow beyond your monkeysphere, however, you've got problems. Testing shows this to be about 150 people or so. So for a country, there's no way that it ever works. For a small island of you and your friends, it's the natural form of government.

/soapbox :)

Edit to put the link to monkeysphere:

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/monkeysphere.html

RSLudlum
01-23-2008, 10:48 PM
i got a good chuckle n grin when i heard him say that

jsu718
01-23-2008, 10:50 PM
Russia 30 years ago, and China today = Communist.
Canada = Socialist

jglapski
01-23-2008, 10:54 PM
actually

soviet union was = communist

socialism is not the same thing

The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was not socialist? It very much was.

nbhadja
01-23-2008, 11:02 PM
No the USSR was flat out communist, not socialist.

doronster195
01-23-2008, 11:05 PM
Where Is The Youtube?

jglapski
01-23-2008, 11:06 PM
Certainly not. Communism has never existed in practice. Pray tell, when was the withering away of the state?

Socialism is the public ownership of the means of production; fascism the de facto public ownership (different side of same socialist coin) of the means of production and capitalism the private ownership of the means of production.

colecrowe
01-23-2008, 11:13 PM
No the USSR was flat out communist, not socialist.

That is flat out wrong. Communism is stateless--no government. The fact that the party existed in USSR and in China makes those countries not truly communist. Communism is supposed to achieve complete classlessness by following the creed of "from each according to ability, to each according to need": and everybody's needs are supposed to be generally equal, of course.

Some who seek communism advocate socialism as the transition to achieve complete communism.

That does not mean in any way that all those who advocate socialism necessarily seek communism.

So, a major difference between communism and socialism is that communism entails having no government (and no ruling class). That obviously hasn't happened (human nature might have a little to do with that :) ).

ggfobster
01-23-2008, 11:16 PM
Certainly not. Communism has never existed in practice. Pray tell, when was the withering away of the state?

Socialism is the public ownership of the means of production; fascism the de facto public ownership (different side of same socialist coin) of the means of production and capitalism the private ownership of the means of production.

This is absolutely correct. True communism that allows for the stateless community has not been achieved. Soviet Russia was not communist. They were socialists that enjoyed the thought of communism.

Like the saying goes; communism is great on paper. Anarcho-libertarianism is the best we can hope for in relation to anything that resembles true communism, but could still be governed by the law of the constitution.

Richandler
01-23-2008, 11:17 PM
Go Tucker. Too bad you don't have bigger audience.

Jae0
01-23-2008, 11:21 PM
I like Tucker. Even when he drives me crazy and i'm yelling at the tv when he's on.

DAFTEK
01-23-2008, 11:32 PM
Socialism is soft communism.

This is correct, Socialism is Communism, I was born in "Republica Socialista Romania" And i can assure you it was as communist as it got, although until the mid 70's you wouldn't know it was a communist country, life was good back then for most people!

ggfobster
01-23-2008, 11:33 PM
This is correct, Socialism is Communism, I was born in "Republica Socialista Romania" And i can assure you it was as communist as it got, although until the mid 70's you wouldn't know it was a communist country, life was good back then for most people!

You are incorrect. Read above.

haaaylee
01-23-2008, 11:38 PM
Some who seek communism advocate socialism as the transition to achieve complete communism.




This is a great point. Those who want to know more should read Dare Not Call It A Conspiracy. A great book written in the 70's that talks about communism vs socialism, the CFR, international bankers, and presidential elections. A must read for any Ron Paul supporter.

TulsaRevolution
01-23-2008, 11:51 PM
Did a bullet narrowly whiz by Tucker's head and take out the cameraman soon thereafter?

hellsingfan
01-24-2008, 12:17 AM
tube any1

brandon13830
01-24-2008, 12:16 PM
Bump.

Anyone have the video of this?

damoncrowe
01-24-2008, 12:29 PM
This is a great point. Those who want to know more should read Dare Not Call It A Conspiracy. A great book written in the 70's that talks about communism vs socialism, the CFR, international bankers, and presidential elections. A must read for any Ron Paul supporter.

Did the same guy write, "Non Dare Call It Treason"? I have that book somewhere.