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Mckarnin
01-23-2008, 03:16 AM
You asked for a Super Bowl Commercial and That You Shall Have



It made no sense to spend 2.3 million dollars on a Super Bowl commercial that will air nationwide in places like Michigan or Florida where people have already voted.



Instead, we have developed a plan to target potential Ron Paul voters during the Super Bowl at a significant discount. We are in the process of selecting and securing time slots for a Ron Paul Super Bowl commercial to run in upcoming Super Tuesday states that Ron Paul is most likely to benefit from.



Although we do not want to disclose our specific markets at this point, (no need give our competition our complete strategy) you can assume that we will not be advertising in Super Tuesday states such as Utah or Arkansas. Once we get closer to the game we will post an exact schedule of when and where they will air. The individual ad buys range in price from one to several thousand dollars. To give you an example of what type of magnitude we are talking about, for $100,000 we can reach around 5-6 million viewers who are in important Super Tuesday states.



As stated, we have already purchased ad time in some markets, as space is very limited and we didn't want to lose it. We must act fast to make this a success. In some markets we are finding that ad time during the game is sold out, so we are getting rates for the Pre and Post Game, which are still seen by about 70-90% of the people who watch the actual game. There is also a special 3-hour long meet the candidates special running from 9am-12pm EST on Super Bowl Sunday and that is another slot we may want to put ads into, particularly in sold out markets.



What we need from you is a commercial and the advertising dollars.



The Commercial:

This is your chance to have a commercial air during the Super Bowl and help Ron Paul! This is also your chance to vote for which commercial you want to be seen by millions of people. Entries will be posted on youtube.com in this (http://www.youtube.com/groups_videos?name=RonPaulSuperBowl) group, supporters will vote, with the finalists going to a second round where everyone will vote one more time. We may well air the1st and 2nd place winners, particularly if we have two commercials in a market. Here are some of the requirements to enter your commercial in the contest.



1. 30 seconds in length

2. Must be able to get us a hard copy of it by 1/28

3. Can not contain any copyrighted music or logos that you do not own the rights to

4. Must be tasteful

5. We recommend the commercial be informative as opposed to humorous. This will be the first time many people hear of Ron Paul, we want them to know why he is different, why the media does not want you to know about him, what does he stand for...that kind of stuff. The economy is shaping up to be “the” issue of this election. Anti-war stuff is also good.

6. We reserve the right to pick a winner (We need this option so that trolls can't take over the vote)

7. Because of the way this is structured you can not specifically say "vote for/elect Ron Paul." We don't think you will have any trouble conveying the message without using those words.



Money



Here is the page where you can make a purchase of ad time, just like you did with the blimp: Buy Superbowl Ad Time (http://www.ronpaulblimp.com/superbowl/) As you can see, your money will go a long way in reaching a lot of people. The more money we get the more ad time we will buy. We will let you know as soon as this is up and ready to go.



Thank you for your support, we look forward to seeing what you come up with!

BreakYourChains
01-23-2008, 03:19 AM
Bump

devil21
01-23-2008, 03:35 AM
How do you run a super bowl commercial at some time other than the super bowl?

Dont you have a blimp to worry about?

flames2dust77
01-23-2008, 03:38 AM
How do you run a super bowl commercial at some time other than the super bowl?

hmmm, I have the same question.

humanic
01-23-2008, 03:46 AM
I nominate this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mMTa79Uzc

(I didn't make it, but the guy who did offers a high-quality downloadable version to be used by the grassroots)

Xenophage
01-23-2008, 03:46 AM
I'm a musician and I'm willing to donate royalty-free original music to anyone who needs it for this project. I have a solo project with instrumental electronica/guitar music available, as well as a four-piece rock group, all professionally recorded.

This is my website with some of the music from my solo album, "Photon Life":
http://www.chrismcgraw.com

You can also listen to my band, Red Penguin, here:
http://www.myspace.com/redpenguinband (newest recordings here)

or

http://www.redpenguinband.com

Please get in touch with me if you need any music or anything strikes your ear. I'd also be willing to record something specifically for you if you tell me what you're looking for.

PM me on here if you'd like, and you can also email me at chris@redpenguinband.com

scandinaviany3
01-23-2008, 04:19 AM
For 30 seconds around the superbowl :

http://saveourgeneration.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94D-jEZo70A

http://www.youtube.com/user/frankdogg need to pick a score not copyrighted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mMTa79Uzc

luvthedoc08
01-23-2008, 04:29 AM
ur third link is screwed up, brilliant idea for the superbowl though, lets do this guys

ionlyknowy
01-23-2008, 04:30 AM
Make sure the ad mentions that he is a republican running for president. People always forget to put this.

Many people have come up to me and said that it is too bad an independant like Ron Paul could never win because Independants never get a lot of votes.

People are dumb... make sure you walk them through the process...

"RP is a republican running for president" "vote in your states Primary election on 2/5"

You get the idea..

quantized
01-23-2008, 04:32 AM
you guys are really awesome!!!!

literatim
01-23-2008, 04:35 AM
...you can assume that we will not be advertising in Super Tuesday states such as Utah or Arkansas.

What? Why not?

Utah and Arkansas can be two of our best States. Ignoring Utah would be like ignoring Nevada. Just because there is a large portion of Mormons doesn't mean we shouldn't fight for second and secure ourselves delegates. And a lot of voters in Arkansas have no one to vote for since they don't like Romney nor Huckabee and Thompson dropped out.

BreakYourChains
01-23-2008, 04:37 AM
Bump

Fields
01-23-2008, 05:00 AM
Great idea. Bump.

literatim
01-23-2008, 05:06 AM
May I ask what PAC you are working with?

mrchubbs
01-23-2008, 06:59 AM
bump

quantized
01-23-2008, 08:02 AM
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Blythexo
01-23-2008, 08:11 AM
For 30 seconds around the superbowl :

http://saveourgeneration.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94D-jEZo70A

http://www.youtube.com/user/frankdogg need to pick a score not copyrighted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mMTa79Uzc

The first two of these are AWESOME!:)

GO RON PAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

rpfreedom08
01-23-2008, 08:34 AM
I think we should focus on these issues in the commercial:

1. Social Security
2. economy
3. pro-life (something about overturning roe v. wade) This is important because of all the souther states coming up
4. anti-war
5. pro civil liberties

And we positively absolutely need one of those commercials that brings tears to your eyes or at least gets some reaction. The great part about football commercials is that everyone is watching and everyone wants to be dazzled. If you don't, it won't get remembered.

Blythexo
01-23-2008, 09:08 AM
I think we should focus on these issues in the commercial:

1. Social Security
2. economy
3. pro-life (something about overturning roe v. wade) This is important because of all the souther states coming up
4. anti-war
5. pro civil liberties

And we positively absolutely need one of those commercials that brings tears to your eyes or at least gets some reaction. The great part about football commercials is that everyone is watching and everyone wants to be dazzled. If you don't, it won't get remembered.

I definitely agree with a commercial that evokes some emotion. A tear jerker perhaps or one that gives you goosebumps in an "I'm proud to be an AMERICAN" kind of way.

PS. I love Ron Paul supporters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

garyallen59
01-23-2008, 09:19 AM
http://www.operationbroadcastfreedom.com those are the ones we should use

hawks4ronpaul
01-23-2008, 09:23 AM
Video-makers,

here is a free commercial idea to use or develop:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=96251

SPmachina033
01-23-2008, 09:24 AM
I nominate this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mMTa79Uzc

(I didn't make it, but the guy who did offers a high-quality downloadable version to be used by the grassroots)

This is perfect.

RCRanger03
01-23-2008, 09:32 AM
i second the vote on this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mMTa79Uzc

It has a bunch of buzz words that are both said and written like:

President
Passionate
Committed
Dedicated
Hope

I would like this guy's other one too, but its got the copywritten music. My 2 cents.

Blimp Media Coordinator
01-23-2008, 11:11 AM
bump

Mckarnin
01-23-2008, 12:22 PM
How do you run a super bowl commercial at some time other than the super bowl?

Dont you have a blimp to worry about?

Almost all of the ad buys will be during the Super Bowl game itself. But, we aren't ruling out the possibility of buying a few pre or post game slots in important markets where the time during the Super Bowl is sold out.

K

Mckarnin
01-23-2008, 12:26 PM
I nominate this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mMTa79Uzc

(I didn't make it, but the guy who did offers a high-quality downloadable version to be used by the grassroots)


Anyone who has a favorite YouTube needs to track down the person who made it and get them to submit it themselves having agreed to the rules (hard copy by 1/28, 30 seconds long, etc..).

trey4sports
01-23-2008, 12:35 PM
Anyone who has a favorite YouTube needs to track down the person who made it and get them to submit it themselves having agreed to the rules (hard copy by 1/28, 30 seconds long, etc..).

i have a ? for you.
i noticed you say that you reserved the time slots for these ads but yet you still need the funding for the ads? im not sure if i misinterpreted. if you could clear this up it would be great because im excited to donate to this cause when i get payed. thanks

trey4sports
01-23-2008, 12:36 PM
i second the vote on this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mMTa79Uzc

It has a bunch of buzz words that are both said and written like:

President
Passionate
Committed
Dedicated
Hope

I would like this guy's other one too, but its got the copywritten music. My 2 cents.

the ad simply doesnt evoke any emotions. i dont dislike it, but i feel as though with all the creativity on the board we can do better

lvp1138
01-23-2008, 12:52 PM
What? Why not?

Utah and Arkansas can be two of our best States. Ignoring Utah would be like ignoring Nevada. Just because there is a large portion of Mormons doesn't mean we shouldn't fight for second and secure ourselves delegates. And a lot of voters in Arkansas have no one to vote for since they don't like Romney nor Huckabee and Thompson dropped out.

Utah: Romney will win. Based on experience in Nevada, where 95% of Mormons voted for Romney, spending money on pushing Ron Paul there will be futile.

Mckarnin
01-23-2008, 12:53 PM
For 30 seconds around the superbowl :

http://saveourgeneration.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94D-jEZo70A

http://www.youtube.com/user/frankdogg need to pick a score not copyrighted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mMTa79Uzc


If these belong to you please add to our YouTube group. If not, contact those who made them and see if they'll submit them.

MinaSulo
01-23-2008, 12:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Med926aDBoc

This one is PERFECT for the Superbowl. It really grabs attention right away and impresses. Please, PLEASE pick this one!!

jumpyg1258
01-23-2008, 01:05 PM
Almost all of the ad buys will be during the Super Bowl game itself. But, we aren't ruling out the possibility of buying a few pre or post game slots in important markets where the time during the Super Bowl is sold out.

K

I suggest that if you do buy some slots at times other than the game, go with pregame rather than post game cause usually everyone turns off a game once its over but quite a few watch the pregame shows. Also wondering if you can give specifics on which areas you will be targeting? I think it would be wise to look up the DC area channel since it will cover not only DC but MD and VA too. All 3 have their primaries on the 12th which is close enough and will give some time for peeps to look up Paul on the net.

Mckarnin
01-23-2008, 01:19 PM
What? Why not?

Utah and Arkansas can be two of our best States. Ignoring Utah would be like ignoring Nevada. Just because there is a large portion of Mormons doesn't mean we shouldn't fight for second and secure ourselves delegates. And a lot of voters in Arkansas have no one to vote for since they don't like Romney nor Huckabee and Thompson dropped out.

Ok, our strategy could be off but states where a hometown candidate seems to be dominating got bumped down the list. If there is money and demand for those locations then there is no reason why we can't ad them. If this project gets amazing funding we can hit almost anywhere..

Mckarnin
01-23-2008, 01:22 PM
ur third link is screwed up, brilliant idea for the superbowl though, lets do this guys

Working on getting a link that works going, Sorry. You Tube is not my forte.

Mckarnin
01-23-2008, 01:23 PM
May I ask what PAC you are working with?

We aren't. We're running this through Liberty Political Advertising...like the blimp people can purchase unlimited advertising and the money spent does not count towards your contribution totals.

trey4sports
01-23-2008, 01:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Med926aDBoc

This one is PERFECT for the Superbowl. It really grabs attention right away and impresses. Please, PLEASE pick this one!!the song is copyright so.....

Mckarnin
01-23-2008, 01:32 PM
i have a ? for you.
i noticed you say that you reserved the time slots for these ads but yet you still need the funding for the ads? im not sure if i misinterpreted. if you could clear this up it would be great because im excited to donate to this cause when i get payed. thanks

Many stations will let us put a hold on a time slot now and pay them by the 28th. They'll call if someone else comes along with cash in hand and give us the option to put down a deposit before selling our ad slot to someone else. There are also two kinds of ads preemptible (which means your ad can get bumped out of the timeslot of program you scheduled it for if someone else comes along) and non-preemptible (which means you own a specific time slot and no one can take it away). For obvious reasons non-preemptible are more expensive, a ot more expensive. But they are the way we want to go for the Super Bowl slots that are during the game. We may throw in a few pre game slots that are preemptible because the chances of getting bumped there are pretty low.

Tell me if that doesn't answer your question.

trey4sports
01-23-2008, 01:36 PM
Many stations will let us put a hold on a time slot now and pay them by the 28th. They'll call if someone else comes along with cash in hand and give us the option to put down a deposit before selling our ad slot to someone else. There are also two kinds of ads preemptible (which means your ad can get bumped out of the timeslot of program you scheduled it for if someone else comes along) and non-preemptible (which means you own a specific time slot and no one can take it away). For obvious reasons non-preemptible are more expensive, a ot more expensive. But they are the way we want to go for the Super Bowl slots that are during the game. We may throw in a few pre game slots that are preemptible because the chances of getting bumped there are pretty low.

Tell me if that doesn't answer your question.

thank you very much. hopefully this idea gets off the ground soon because we have a lot of money to raise in not very long

me3
01-23-2008, 01:37 PM
Someone should contact Mr. Garcia about doing a 30 second edit or retake of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_hh-Ycymao

We have 30 seconds to cover 1 or 2 issues, and name recognition. It has to be precise, interesting and totally direct.

Ron Paul 101 qualifies (if it can be done in less total running time).

slantedview
01-23-2008, 01:39 PM
there is NOTHING better than frankdogg's ad

http://www.youtube.com/user/frankdogg

just set it to whatever music and use it.

crink
01-23-2008, 01:47 PM
there is NOTHING better than frankdogg's ad

http://www.youtube.com/user/frankdogg

just set it to whatever music and use it.

I agree this is the best ad yet. But I think someone said the song is copyrighted... :(

Mckarnin
01-23-2008, 01:53 PM
Someone should contact Mr. Garcia about doing a 30 second edit or retake of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_hh-Ycymao

We have 30 seconds to cover 1 or 2 issues, and name recognition. It has to be precise, interesting and totally direct.

Ron Paul 101 qualifies (if it can be done in less total running time).


How about you?

Xenophage
01-23-2008, 03:50 PM
bump

liberteebell
01-23-2008, 03:51 PM
Blimp!

kutibah
01-23-2008, 04:01 PM
Any ad picked MUST speak. Text only ads will not work with most people. I like the Save our Generation Ad best so far.

HarbingerOfTruth
01-23-2008, 04:04 PM
I nominate this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mMTa79Uzc

(I didn't make it, but the guy who did offers a high-quality downloadable version to be used by the grassroots)

Agreed!

Soccrmastr
01-23-2008, 04:04 PM
One of these variations:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Med926aDBoc

quantized
01-23-2008, 04:22 PM
I nominate this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mMTa79Uzc

(I didn't make it, but the guy who did offers a high-quality downloadable version to be used by the grassroots)

wow. really professional. i also nominate this one.

MayTheRonBeWithYou
01-23-2008, 04:28 PM
Frankdogg's is absolutely perfect for this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mMTa79Uzc

yongrel
01-23-2008, 04:37 PM
In case anyone hasn't posted it yet...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mMTa79Uzc

The owner of the video has a High Resolution version ready for the grassroots already.

EDIT: I see that a lot of people were thinking the same thing I was.

Mckarnin
01-23-2008, 04:50 PM
In case anyone hasn't posted it yet...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mMTa79Uzc

The owner of the video has a High Resolution version ready for the grassroots already.

EDIT: I see that a lot of people were thinking the same thing I was.

I'm going to have to take a look. Considering our short timeline our best bet may be to pick something fast and just put all of our focus on reserving the ad time and raising the money.

quantized
01-23-2008, 05:04 PM
I'm going to have to take a look. Considering our short timeline our best bet may be to pick something fast and just put all of our focus on reserving the ad time and raising the money.

i second that! keep it up guys! thank you for turning grassroot idea into reality.

Mckarnin
01-23-2008, 05:10 PM
i second that! keep it up guys! thank you for turning grassroot idea into reality.


We'll just have to see what everyone thinks. Please post this information to blogs, websites, My Space accounts. We have to figure out fast if the interest is there.

K

kirkblitz
01-23-2008, 05:17 PM
Is there a live total of money raised so far? Also i read you have already purchased the ad space?

Mckarnin
01-23-2008, 05:21 PM
Is there a live total of money raised so far? Also i read you have already purchased the ad space?

That is a typo I missed. Right now we have a hold on some ad slots that we'll have to back with money in the next 3-4 days unless we want to lose them.

K

Mckarnin
01-23-2008, 05:22 PM
Is there a live total of money raised so far? Also i read you have already purchased the ad space?

We are having to do manual updates and I have folks checking and we'll update later tonight.

Mckarnin
01-23-2008, 05:29 PM
Not sure what "deserves" a sticky but if this project qualifies that would be great!

Mckarnin
01-23-2008, 05:30 PM
can you transfer the blimp money to superbowl ad?


Right now the blimp money is paying the owner for the 9+ days he will have flown since the 17th at midnight when the blimp gets back to the hangar in NC.

slantedview
01-23-2008, 05:35 PM
I'm going to have to take a look. Considering our short timeline our best bet may be to pick something fast and just put all of our focus on reserving the ad time and raising the money.

seriously, NOTHING is better then frank dogg's ad. we're almost all in complete agreement on this one :)

yongrel
01-23-2008, 05:36 PM
frankdogg's ad is hands down the best. Let's just agree on that, and move on to fundraising.

We don't have much time, and we can use every second we can get.

trey4sports
01-23-2008, 05:41 PM
frankdogg's ad is hands down the best. Let's just agree on that, and move on to fundraising.

We don't have much time, and we can use every second we can get.

the ad is great BUT we need to do something about the background music, we cant use it because of the copyright....am i correct? if so what if we just removed the words and use the same beat?

..PAUL4PRES..
01-23-2008, 05:45 PM
People are gonna want an upbeat ad to grab their attention. Its during the Superbowl. People will be partying and in a upbeat mood. If you all select one please make sure it grabs your attention and doesnt make you think to much.

trey4sports
01-23-2008, 05:47 PM
People are gonna want an upbeat ad to grab their attention. Its during the Superbowl. People will be partying and in a upbeat mood. If you all select one please make sure it grabs your attention and doesnt make you think to much.
+1

Cyclone
01-23-2008, 05:54 PM
We aren't. We're running this through Liberty Political Advertising...like the blimp people can purchase unlimited advertising and the money spent does not count towards your contribution totals.


1. Show me where this is legal. Funny how every other candidate in the known universe has seen your little scheme and NOT followed it. One would think that people who can get unlimited amounts of money would just create an advertising company and get around all those pesky finance laws.

I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about and I do not believe that what you are doing is going to be legal.


2. What experience do have in making and/or running political advertisements. You say that YOU have the final say so in what commercial makes it. What kind of experience do have in Presidential campaigns? How many places do you plan on testing it? What kind of test methods do you plan to use?


The wrong commercial can cost an election. The right one can make an election. And the majority do nothing at all.

3. Why would you choose the Super bowl market? What studies have you done that show you that sports watchers are more likely to vote than men watching other shows for where advertisements are much cheaper?

For a marketing company you come in here with remarkably little presentation, leave the commercial up to your clients and then expect them to pay for it. That is the most backwards way to do business that I have ever seen.

Remember this is a FOR-PROFIT company. Tell us about your profit.

Clearly you don't know a thing about advertising or you would be able to write and produce the commercial yourself. Moreover, let's start with a little transparency from the start this time - how much money do you plan to take to not write the commercial, not produce it, not create it, and simply hand over money to air it? What amount of profit are you taking for doing this? I mean why should anyone use you? We are the ones making the commercial, we are the ones producing it, and for some reason you get to have total control of the money and which commercial gets aired.


If you knew what you were doing, you would be the one making this commercial, outlaying your own dollars to produce it, spending your own money to test market it, and you would not be doing this this close to the Super Bowl, since you are not doing any of the above, I see no reason at all to turn creative control and all dollars over to you.

Show us all your resume, the experience of the team in running Presidential advertisements, and the cost structure for this little venture you have planned. So far, I see no reason to hire you. Tell me something different.

Forgive me for being so blunt, but my experience with LPA is that they ask for the money first and then disclose costs later.

P.S.
Any reasonable person hiring a company would ask these questions, anyone questioning such questions would be an insider troll hired by said company to deflect any questions.

Hangly Man
01-23-2008, 05:56 PM
I nominate this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mMTa79Uzc

(I didn't make it, but the guy who did offers a high-quality downloadable version to be used by the grassroots)

I like this one too.

Hangly Man
01-23-2008, 06:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Med926aDBoc

This one is PERFECT for the Superbowl. It really grabs attention right away and impresses. Please, PLEASE pick this one!!

Agreed, this is phenomenal.

SPmachina033
01-23-2008, 06:02 PM
seriously, NOTHING is better then frank dogg's ad. we're almost all in complete agreement on this one :)

I change my original position and say that frank doggs is the best..

atthegates
01-23-2008, 06:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Med926aDBoc

This one is PERFECT for the Superbowl. It really grabs attention right away and impresses. Please, PLEASE pick this one!!

completely agree. i think this is a lot better and more upbeat than frankdogg's other one

Cyclone
01-23-2008, 06:04 PM
1. Show me where this is legal. Funny how every other candidate in the known universe has seen your little scheme and NOT followed it. One would think that people who can get unlimited amounts of money would just create an advertising company and get around all those pesky finance laws.

I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about and I do not believe that what you are doing is going to be legal.


2. What experience do have in making and/or running political advertisements. You say that YOU have the final say so in what commercial makes it. What kind of experience do have in Presidential campaigns? How many places do you plan on testing it? What kind of test methods do you plan to use?


The wrong commercial can cost an election. The right one can make an election. And the majority do nothing at all.

3. Why would you choose the Super bowl market? What studies have you done that show you that sports watchers are more likely to vote than men watching other shows for where advertisements are much cheaper?

For a marketing company you come in here with remarkably little presentation, leave the commercial up to your clients and then expect them to pay for it. That is the most backwards way to do business that I have ever seen.

Remember this is a FOR-PROFIT company. Tell us about your profit.

Clearly you don't know a thing about advertising or you would be able to write and produce the commercial yourself. Moreover, let's start with a little transparency from the start this time - how much money do you plan to take to not write the commercial, not produce it, not create it, and simply hand over money to air it? What amount of profit are you taking for doing this? I mean why should anyone use you? We are the ones making the commercial, we are the ones producing it, and for some reason you get to have total control of the money and which commercial gets aired.


If you knew what you were doing, you would be the one making this commercial, outlaying your own dollars to produce it, spending your own money to test market it, and you would not be doing this this close to the Super Bowl, since you are not doing any of the above, I see no reason at all to turn creative control and all dollars over to you.

Show us all your resume, the experience of the team in running Presidential advertisements, and the cost structure for this little venture you have planned. So far, I see no reason to hire you. Tell me something different.

Forgive me for being so blunt, but my experience with LPA is that they ask for the money first and then disclose costs later.

P.S.
Any reasonable person hiring a company would ask these questions, anyone questioning such questions would be an insider troll hired by said company to deflect any questions.

Another action of trolls is to ignore all questions about the project and then just proceed to try to get people to get so excited about a particular commercial so they don't question any price structure or other legitimate questions.

Mckarnin
01-23-2008, 06:11 PM
1. Show me where this is legal. Funny how every other candidate in the known universe has seen your little scheme and NOT followed it. One would think that people who can get unlimited amounts of money would just create an advertising company and get around all those pesky finance laws.

Lawyers and campaign finance groups have called and written to commend us on this idea. It is brand new and since we came up with it (in just 2 months) several other similarly structured businesses have emerged.

I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about and I do not believe that what you are doing is going to be legal.

We have spoken to several Fox affiliate stations and Fox National and they know what the ad is for and are fine with it. In fact several of the markets we are targeting have had other candidates already make ad buys. These are local ad buys.


2. What experience do have in making and/or running political advertisements. You say that YOU have the final say so in what commercial makes it. What kind of experience do have in Presidential campaigns? How many places do you plan on testing it? What kind of test methods do you plan to use?

Several of our volunteer consultants have worked for other presidential campaigns and administrations. We also have volunteer consultants who have marketing experience. On the whole though we plan to let the grassroots test it. We've done pretty well with that technique so far.


The wrong commercial can cost an election. The right one can make an election. And the majority do nothing at all.

Well, don't give any money for this initiative then

3. Why would you choose the Super bowl market? What studies have you done that show you that sports watchers are more likely to vote than men watching other shows for where advertisements are much cheaper?

We are going to update our page to ad that we are also researching putting this commercial in during the meet the candidate special that will run from 9am-12pm on Super Bowl Sunday. Also, ads during non-superbowl times might be cheaper but they reach a lot less people so you need more of them.

For a marketing company you come in here with remarkably little presentation, leave the commercial up to your clients and then expect them to pay for it. That is the most backwards way to do business that I have ever seen.

Remember this is a FOR-PROFIT company. Tell us about your profit.

We are running a bare bones operation and trying to do amazing things at amazing speeds. That requires supplemental help. Don't even get me started on profit. I have a $500 computer and $1000 to show for 2 months of 100+ hour weeks.

Clearly you don't know a thing about advertising or you would be able to write and produce the commercial yourself. Moreover, let's start with a little transparency from the start this time - how much money do you plan to take to not write the commercial, not produce it, not create it, and simply hand over money to air it? What amount of profit are you taking for doing this? I mean why should anyone use you? We are the ones making the commercial, we are the ones producing it, and for some reason you get to have total control of the money and which commercial gets aired.

I am fed up with accusatory comments like this. Do you know how much time it takes to research markets, track down contact information, quotes and all the market details for tons of stations...then reserve spots with no money in hand, coordinate getting the money to all these different locations? Hey, I want to see Superbowl Commercials...if someone else wants to start doing all of the legwork and set something up they can have it!


If you knew what you were doing, you would be the one making this commercial, outlaying your own dollars to produce it, spending your own money to test market it, and you would not be doing this this close to the Super Bowl, since you are not doing any of the above, I see no reason at all to turn creative control and all dollars over to you.

We have no money. We have hardly begun to be paid. All of the money has gone to pay for the blimp, banners and lawyers. We are not like a conventional ad agency yet...we started out of the grassroots and have gotten some amazing things done but are still growing.

Show us all your resume, the experience of the team in running Presidential advertisements, and the cost structure for this little venture you have planned. So far, I see no reason to hire you. Tell me something different.

Forgive me for being so blunt, but my experience with LPA is that they ask for the money first and then disclose costs later.

P.S.
Any reasonable person hiring a company would ask these questions, anyone questioning such questions would be an insider troll hired by said company to deflect any questions.

KM

ggibson1
01-23-2008, 06:16 PM
I just donated money at the super bowl ad page and I will donate more later... Dont listen to the losers that have no plans but lots of complaints... just do it! just give the money to the people that were able to launch the blimp and together we will have more good results.

Marc3579
01-23-2008, 06:18 PM
Cyclone why don't you quit being so cynical? How about you add something constructive to the idea, you can be critical yes. But, be constructive in your criticism. Remember when Lawrence ran the USA Today ad? I wasn't around the forum at that time. But, I'm wondering did you try to torpedo that ad also? It seems to me like you are trying to torpedo this also.

quantized
01-23-2008, 06:19 PM
Another action of trolls is to ignore all questions about the project and then just proceed to try to get people to get so excited about a particular commercial so they don't question any price structure or other legitimate questions.

how can a superbowl ad be detrimental to the RP campaign?

the ronpaulblimp has the infrastructure set up to organize this superbowl ad. We do not have much time to waste. We have to win !!! and superbowl ad is the way to go IMO.

Cyclone
01-23-2008, 06:31 PM
Cyclone why don't you quit being so cynical? How about you add something constructive to the idea, you can be critical yes. But, be constructive in your criticism. Remember when Lawrence ran the USA Today ad? I wasn't around the forum at that time. But, I'm wondering did you try to torpedo that ad also? It seems to me like you are trying to torpedo this also.

So now asking questions is cynical? Asking what someone is charging is criticism.

Your facts about the Lawrence ad are 100% incorrect, but nice try at deflection and good attempt to attack the poster, sadly, the facts are out there for anyone to see and reeling off such nonsense just shows your lack of credibility.

I promised there would be a whole bunch of people attacking anyone who asked questions. These people are called trolls. They do their best to attack people who have reasonable questions and then they pile on top. You are doing an excellent job of displaying the features. Clearly you don't care how much money LPA is charging to do this, are you getting a cut? Have you been hired by them? Or are you just in bed with them?

Cyclone
01-23-2008, 06:32 PM
KM


Sorry, older than 12. What does KM stand for?

danda
01-23-2008, 06:37 PM
This one is still my favorite.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MXSea2W1qcg

Superbowl ads are supposed to be FUN!


It also:
* focuses on the economy, which people are very concerned about right now.
* avoids talking about more controversial stances.

BLS
01-23-2008, 06:41 PM
Cyclone why don't you quit being so cynical? How about you add something constructive to the idea, you can be critical yes. But, be constructive in your criticism. Remember when Lawrence ran the USA Today ad? I wasn't around the forum at that time. But, I'm wondering did you try to torpedo that ad also? It seems to me like you are trying to torpedo this also.


Agreed. BUT...

I have many of the same concerns. I donated $50 to the blimp.
I know...it's nothing. A drop in the bucket...but it's still $50 to me.

That being said, I want to know BEFOREHAND what wages each person involved in this will be. I do not feel like the blimp was handled very well, but I too understand you guys are learning as you go, and don't have the benefit of experience. I am empathetic.

However, I personally cannot donate this project without knowing specifics, along with a promise to reveal how, where, and who this money was spent on.

I also have NO problem with you making a profit (if you are fortunate enough to).
But I don't want to be gouged. If someone comes up with an ad better than FrankDogg's (and I doubt you will honestly) or you determine you will use his, and you ask for money, the ad better run.

No excuses like "well, the material wasn't available" or "they're sewing the other banner right now".

I'm sorry....if I am being cynical. I'm really not trying to be, and I also realize I don't have thousands to throw at this, but I don't think that these PRErequesites are outrageous.

Here's what I'm trying to say:

If you come here and say "Look, here's what it's going to cost. This is where they will run, here's what we'll get paid for our efforts (and quitting our daytime jobs), and here's the ad we're going to run", you WILL GET MONEY.
(As long as the ad doesn't suck of course).

If you can bring those things to the table....you'll get more than enough money.

My suggestion is

1. use Frankdogg's ad. (find another soundtrack if you must).
(Also, let me know if you need help with this...I have a superb musician friend who can get something to you, royalty free.....as I'm sure can many others here)

2. Arrange 3 tiers of markets.
a. Essential markets (minimum markets needed to make an impact)
b. Requested markets (Essential Markets + those "would love to have")
c. Every Super Tuesday State - Nuff said.

3. Come to us with numbers required for all three of these with an itemized breakdown of what, why, where, etc.

4. Create a chip in.

5. Follow through on your promises.

I guarantee if you do this...you'll get enough money to run ads in every Super Tuesday state. I have ZERO doubt that the Revolution will come up with every penny they can scratch together for this. WE ALL WANT TO WIN.
We also ALL WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT WILL COST AND IF YOU"LL FOLLOW THROUGH.


Thanks for hearing me out.

freemarketphenom
01-23-2008, 06:48 PM
I think this ad should get strong consideration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHLXMwWZSfU

BLS
01-23-2008, 06:50 PM
I think this ad should get strong consideration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHLXMwWZSfU


Can't argue...it's good too.

As long as it's free.

RonRules
01-23-2008, 06:50 PM
Blimpette you are the best. You don't let yourself be depressed for one second and get up to pick up another fight. (as opposed to many of the posters here)

Instead on waiting for HQ play the Jeopardy music before they decide, you lead the way.

You GO girl!

wfd40
01-23-2008, 06:56 PM
the ad is great BUT we need to do something about the background music, we cant use it because of the copyright....am i correct? if so what if we just removed the words and use the same beat?

Tell that to YouTube.. seriously.

Fair Use..


and if they get pissed... take it down I suppose.. but something tells me they wont. And why not just try tracking down CCR and seeing if they'll let us use it?

Cyclone
01-23-2008, 07:14 PM
By the way, here are the terms of service to which you much agree:

You are sponsoring advertising with RonPaulBlimp.com, a for-profit political advertising agency. You are not making a donation to any political candidate or committee.

You will be entitled to a refund, minus any expenses, incurred if your message does not appear on the Skyship 600 for the specified amount of time that you purchased. However, if the advertising you purchase is oversold, we may substitute other advertising of equivalent value that expresses a similar message. For example, if all the advertising time is sold out on the blimp on a given day, we might add planes, balloons, parachuters, or other similar enhancements to the blimp rally. If the Skyship 600 flies with the advertising messages displayed, your purchase is not refundable.


Further, this is a super secret plan that they have intentionally refused to tell anyone about:

Instead, we have developed a plan to target potential Ron Paul voters during the Super Bowl at a significant discount. We are in the process of selecting and securing time slots for a Ron Paul Super Bowl commercial to run in upcoming Super Tuesday states that Ron Paul is most likely to benefit from.

Although we do not want to disclose our specific markets at this point, (no need give our competition our complete strategy) you can assume that we will not be advertising in Super Tuesday states such as Utah or Arkansas. Once we get closer to the game we will post an exact schedule of when and where they will air. The individual ad buys range in price from one to several thousand dollars. To give you an example of what type of magnitude we are talking about, for $100,000 we can reach around 5-6 million viewers who are in important Super Tuesday states.

As stated, we have already reserved ad time in some markets, as space is very limited and we didn't want to lose it. We must act fast to make this a success. In some markets we are finding that ad time during the game is sold out, so we are getting rates for the Pre and Post Game, which are still seen by about 70-90% of the people who watch the actual game.


Taken from their website.

Why do I attack these kinds of things so much? Because I am tired of being ripped off. I am tired of things changing at the last minute. I have no idea what they are selling and I find that terribly offensive. Give us money for we won't tell you what and then will tell you if you paid for it or not.

I read contracts. I know that I can depend on what they say. This contract says nothing. I find it impossible to believe that the station running the Super Bowl will decide out of the blue to give up the greatest ad time known to television at a substantial discount. That is outside the realm of believability.

Further, this says nothing about airing the ad on the station that is playing the super bowl. Nor does it say where the ads will be aired. First it says it will be in Super Tuesday states and then it says it will not be in Super Tuesday states.

What are you paying LPA to do? They will not be producing the commercial. They will not be testing it. They will be doing nothing at all except taking money out of this project. Heck, I can hand money over to a company to air an ad, can't you? You are willing to pay them for that?

Why would you decide to give them money and then let them decide what ad to air. What if you hate that ad? Then what? You have no recourse.

Again, here come all the people ignoring any actual questions and trying to get everyone excited over - well, we don't know what because it is a secret.

It is starting to look as if there are a lot of people here that are working for LPA trying to get this project to go.

Notice how they ignore any real questions. Notice how they go straight to talking about the project, but no one cares that they have no idea what this project is.

For heaven's sake people - if you read the text of that ad, they could be running this ad on the cooking channel during the super bowl. You have no idea what they are suggesting they are going to do. And yet, no one cares?

Either the people who do not care are being very foolish and just imagining something and assuming what they have imagined will be what happens or they are intentionally being obtuse and trying to deflect any questions about the project because they know they answers, they work for the blimp people and they are trying to make a lot of money off of you and they won't even tell you how much.


Have you ever hired ANYONE to do anything without asking how much it would cost?

Why doesn't anyone care about these questions?

Do you also see where they are getting prices for pre and post game ads? That is not an ad run during the Super Bowl.

At this point THEY don't know what they are going to be buying and yet they want you to donate to it.

Hey, I got a great bridge that we can re-name for 50k. Just send the money to my account.

anarchy
01-23-2008, 07:17 PM
I think this one should go up. It's one of the most watched videos of youtube. But it's a 1 minute ad. I think its DEFINITELY worth the extra expense:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_gKOCb4QBA

RonRules
01-23-2008, 07:18 PM
Frankdogg's ad is ALMOST perfect. The music HAS to stay, just pay the royalties. This is PERFECT Superbowl music.

But, we need to get the 50+ folks on our side and some parts of the ad may scare them off.

I would remove the part "No More Income Tax" "No More IRS" and replace it with something more reasonable and less controversial like:
"A lean government" "To Save your Social Security"

I wrote to frankdogg as well.

roshi
01-23-2008, 07:19 PM
I really, really like this ad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Med926aDBoc

trey4sports
01-23-2008, 07:24 PM
Frankdogg's ad is ALMOST perfect. The music HAS to stay, just pay the royalties. This is PERFECT Superbowl music.

But, we need to get the 50+ folks on our side and some parts of the ad may scare them off.

I would remove the part "No More Income Tax" "No More IRS" and replace it with something more reasonable and less controversial like:
"A lean government" "To Save your Social Security"

I wrote to frankdogg as well.

i think the IRS thing would go over well. god forbid, people hate the IRS!
but on the other hand, i do understand where your coming from.

faisal
01-23-2008, 07:27 PM
jeremiah black!!!!!

kutibah
01-23-2008, 07:29 PM
jeremiah black!!!!!

+100000

trey4sports
01-23-2008, 07:32 PM
the jeremiah black ads wouldnt be very effective for this audience. for a SB commercial to be effective it really needs to be entertaining foremost then informative second. frankdogg's ad is so good because it has a real patriotic feel to it and it grabs attention immediately

kutibah
01-23-2008, 07:33 PM
the jeremiah black ads wouldnt be very effective for this audience. for a SB commercial to be effective it really needs to be entertaining foremost then informative second. frankdogg's ad is so good because it has a real patriotic feel to it and it grabs attention immediately

But frankdoggs ad doesn't speak. Do you think a text only ad is enough to capture attention?

UtahApocalypse
01-23-2008, 07:36 PM
I nominate this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mMTa79Uzc

(I didn't make it, but the guy who did offers a high-quality downloadable version to be used by the grassroots)

+1


What? Why not?

Utah and Arkansas can be two of our best States. Ignoring Utah would be like ignoring Nevada. Just because there is a large portion of Mormons doesn't mean we shouldn't fight for second and secure ourselves delegates. And a lot of voters in Arkansas have no one to vote for since they don't like Romney nor Huckabee and Thompson dropped out.

+1


i second the vote on this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mMTa79Uzc

It has a bunch of buzz words that are both said and written like:

President
Passionate
Committed
Dedicated
Hope

I would like this guy's other one too, but its got the copywritten music. My 2 cents.

+1


Utah: Romney will win. Based on experience in Nevada, where 95% of Mormons voted for Romney, spending money on pushing Ron Paul there will be futile.

I live in Utah and am sick of everyone that DOES NOT live here making assumptions.


Ok, our strategy could be off but states where a hometown candidate seems to be dominating got bumped down the list. If there is money and demand for those locations then there is no reason why we can't ad them. If this project gets amazing funding we can hit almost anywhere..

Utah would be a great market for a Ad.


Tell that to YouTube.. seriously.

Fair Use..


and if they get pissed... take it down I suppose.. but something tells me they wont. And why not just try tracking down CCR and seeing if they'll let us use it?

Fair Use does not apply when their is money involved.

Crickett
01-23-2008, 07:36 PM
I agree. We do not need ANYONE to know where or even if for sure, these ads are going to be placed. Please do not mention ANYTHING. We do not want what ever we do to be noticed at all anymore. If so, we alert the enemy! :)

erich17
01-23-2008, 07:36 PM
I would seriously recommend determining what the royalties would be in frankdogg's ad. The song is extremely well known and will immediately grab the audiences attention because most people actually like it. Honestly, please find out how much CCR charges.

RonRules
01-23-2008, 07:39 PM
i think the IRS thing would go over well. god forbid, people hate the IRS!
but on the other hand, i do understand where your coming from.

The NO IRS subject needs an explanation and there's no time for that in a SuperBowl commercial.

I totally believe that we can go back to 1997 spending levels and run an efficient government. (BTW, check Glenn Beck's most recent radio interview with Ron Paul. He was skeptical, but told Ron Paul that his staff checked into it and it's true that if we go back to govt spending of 10 years ago, we can get rid of the IRS).

So, having said that, the IRS thing is what most people DON'T BELIEVE. It's true but they don't believe it. Why be controversial? It's no time to assume that a Superbowl jock will go look up the country's finances in 1997 to confirm the ad. Drop the NO IRS stuff. It's not worth the risk.

Talk about Social Security instead. That's the main thing older folks are concerned about. They have paid in for 50 years and it's about to go bankrupt unless serious govt cuts are made.

Sey.Naci
01-23-2008, 07:39 PM
This one is still my favorite.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MXSea2W1qcg

Superbowl ads are supposed to be FUN!


It also:
* focuses on the economy, which people are very concerned about right now.
* avoids talking about more controversial stances.
Yup. Using humour is always a good way to get positive attention.

Crickett
01-23-2008, 07:40 PM
how can a superbowl ad be detrimental to the RP campaign?

the ronpaulblimp has the infrastructure set up to organize this superbowl ad. We do not have much time to waste. We have to win !!! and superbowl ad is the way to go IMO.

Right. And they are accepting responsibility for a possible future lawsuit on the legality of it. They have a legal team that even NON-Americans can donate to (legal fees) and they are willing to accept the consequences if they are wrong. SO donate and do not worry about it. The worst that could happen is they will have to return your money after they have already spent it and the election is over..(as far as you are concerned, Cyclone..)

godawgs
01-23-2008, 07:40 PM
So now asking questions is cynical? Asking what someone is charging is criticism.

Your facts about the Lawrence ad are 100% incorrect, but nice try at deflection and good attempt to attack the poster, sadly, the facts are out there for anyone to see and reeling off such nonsense just shows your lack of credibility.

I promised there would be a whole bunch of people attacking anyone who asked questions. These people are called trolls. They do their best to attack people who have reasonable questions and then they pile on top. You are doing an excellent job of displaying the features. Clearly you don't care how much money LPA is charging to do this, are you getting a cut? Have you been hired by them? Or are you just in bed with them?

Your questions are reasonable, your delivery stinks. You should try to work on that.

RonRules
01-23-2008, 07:40 PM
But frankdoggs ad doesn't speak. Do you think a text only ad is enough to capture attention?

Many people watch the SuperBowl in Sports bars. They turn off the sound during commercials.

Crickett
01-23-2008, 07:42 PM
Video-makers,

here is a free commercial idea to use or develop:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=96251

Unfortunately, it would be over 30 seconds..but I like the emotion of it..

Crickett
01-23-2008, 07:45 PM
the ad simply doesnt evoke any emotions. i dont dislike it, but i feel as though with all the creativity on the board we can do better

It must not only evoke emotion, but, as a superbowl ad, it really needs to be highly original...shocking in some way. All superbowl ads are different--you want people to talk about them. Although this one is probably not good to let people know about RP, it has the values that I am talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuRSYrshSr8&NR=1

trey4sports
01-23-2008, 07:48 PM
But frankdoggs ad doesn't speak. Do you think a text only ad is enough to capture attention?


good point. i dont think theres a perfect ad. the CCR music and the message is very powerful though especially during a SB comercial. it could help viewers come to see RP in a more patriotic light so to speak.

for a runnner up i like this ad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mMTa79Uzc

Crickett
01-23-2008, 07:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Med926aDBoc

This one is PERFECT for the Superbowl. It really grabs attention right away and impresses. Please, PLEASE pick this one!!

U must tell frankdogg to submit it. He did a remix with a different musical score that is original. Get him to submit that one..it is pretty good..has some emotion, not a LOT but at the end it does, and it is a very different looking ad..

sands
01-23-2008, 07:55 PM
This one is still my favorite.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MXSea2W1qcg

Superbowl ads are supposed to be FUN!


It also:
* focuses on the economy, which people are very concerned about right now.
* avoids talking about more controversial stances.




That is a good one...

Crickett
01-23-2008, 07:56 PM
That way the "enemy" gets too much info..AND the creativity of maybe a new SUPER ad is stifled. No one needs to know exactly where and how or whatever..especially not in this forum. Ask for a PM in a few days..remember, this will not run nationwide..just in a few states and I think that is already too much info..so there.

Phantom
01-23-2008, 07:59 PM
I think the one posted by freemarketphenom is powerful and sends the right message.

Save Our Generation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHLXMwWZSfU)

Crickett
01-23-2008, 07:59 PM
I would seriously recommend determining what the royalties would be in frankdogg's ad. The song is extremely well known and will immediately grab the audiences attention because most people actually like it. Honestly, please find out how much CCR charges.

He did a remix with original music..if the music has a tone or someting in the beginning it may catch peoples attention more, like the one I posted above. (Which I don't think is the right ad, but it gets your attention in the beginning, and evokes emotion..got to get fd to submit it..

sands
01-23-2008, 08:04 PM
One idea folks would be to have a commercial that has direct lines from the constitution....For example exact phrases of the 1rst ammendment, 2nd ammendment, and constitutional money....Then show the exact laws that have infringed upon the constitution...Or ask the question if only congress has the power to coin money and only gold and silver is legal tender, why is the federal reserve doing it and whis is gold and silver not legal tender? If congress were doing their constitutional responsibility reguarding monetary policy, if they get out of hand we have the power to elect new members and get rid of others not doing their job correctly, but we have no control over the federal reserve...

It has to be clear....People have to wake up to the fact that the constitution is clearly violated and then be able to clearly see that Ron Paul is the only candidate that is interested in restoring constitutional government and has a clear record of supporting the constitution...


That wakeup call can make folks wise up from voting for candidates that are merely in it for their own benefit, that will say just anything to get elected, and clearly have no understanding or intention of restoring constitutional government.

BeFranklin
01-23-2008, 08:17 PM
This sounds good.

Why not use one of the ads already professionally produced that a lot of people already like and have wanted to air? That way everyone knows what we are getting. Others can provide links.

Or something visually exciting just for the super bowl that might also get replayed in press. That is better - I am worried about how professionally produced this will be in the time remaining.

faisal
01-23-2008, 08:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvCOA0LoMtY&eurl=http://www.operationbroadcastfreedom.com/

parocks
01-23-2008, 08:40 PM
I figure they should do it because no one else from the grassroots is doing it.

Some of your statements have validity, but they're the ones who are stepping forward.



1. Show me where this is legal. Funny how every other candidate in the known universe has seen your little scheme and NOT followed it. One would think that people who can get unlimited amounts of money would just create an advertising company and get around all those pesky finance laws.

I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about and I do not believe that what you are doing is going to be legal.


2. What experience do have in making and/or running political advertisements. You say that YOU have the final say so in what commercial makes it. What kind of experience do have in Presidential campaigns? How many places do you plan on testing it? What kind of test methods do you plan to use?


The wrong commercial can cost an election. The right one can make an election. And the majority do nothing at all.

3. Why would you choose the Super bowl market? What studies have you done that show you that sports watchers are more likely to vote than men watching other shows for where advertisements are much cheaper?

For a marketing company you come in here with remarkably little presentation, leave the commercial up to your clients and then expect them to pay for it. That is the most backwards way to do business that I have ever seen.

Remember this is a FOR-PROFIT company. Tell us about your profit.

Clearly you don't know a thing about advertising or you would be able to write and produce the commercial yourself. Moreover, let's start with a little transparency from the start this time - how much money do you plan to take to not write the commercial, not produce it, not create it, and simply hand over money to air it? What amount of profit are you taking for doing this? I mean why should anyone use you? We are the ones making the commercial, we are the ones producing it, and for some reason you get to have total control of the money and which commercial gets aired.


If you knew what you were doing, you would be the one making this commercial, outlaying your own dollars to produce it, spending your own money to test market it, and you would not be doing this this close to the Super Bowl, since you are not doing any of the above, I see no reason at all to turn creative control and all dollars over to you.

Show us all your resume, the experience of the team in running Presidential advertisements, and the cost structure for this little venture you have planned. So far, I see no reason to hire you. Tell me something different.

Forgive me for being so blunt, but my experience with LPA is that they ask for the money first and then disclose costs later.

P.S.
Any reasonable person hiring a company would ask these questions, anyone questioning such questions would be an insider troll hired by said company to deflect any questions.

parocks
01-23-2008, 08:46 PM
Another action of trolls is to ignore all questions about the project and then just proceed to try to get people to get so excited about a particular commercial so they don't question any price structure or other legitimate questions.


They aren't trolls. She's part of the blimp team I believe.
Say what you want about the blimp, but I think she's the blimps PR
person, which makes her not a troll.

parocks
01-23-2008, 08:49 PM
This one is still my favorite.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MXSea2W1qcg

Superbowl ads are supposed to be FUN!


It also:
* focuses on the economy, which people are very concerned about right now.
* avoids talking about more controversial stances.



It's 49 seconds long

quantized
01-23-2008, 08:54 PM
It's 49 seconds long

we can cut down a few seconds at the end

misericordia
01-23-2008, 08:55 PM
Use RP sound bytes. Don't diss the opponents.
be funny.

"Let me get this straight: We borrow $10 billion from China, give it to Musharaf, a military dictator who overthrew an elected official, [then] we lose lives fighting a war [pause] to spread Democracy [pause] in Iraq? What's going on here!?”

parocks
01-23-2008, 08:58 PM
What about the CNN AD Competition?

Lots of 30 second commercials to choose from

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=RonPaulAdCompetition


How about the winner of that competition?

cien750hp
01-23-2008, 09:12 PM
heres one similar to the frankdogg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_oHMtrm7eI

i don't think it covers enough positions and can be hard to read but there are some people who put together some amazing videos here.

we definately need to have a sound byte from ron paul about "we borrow hundreds of billions of dollars from china, devaluing our currency, and throwing us into recession and a 9 trillion dollar debt, then we use that money to maintain 700 bases in 100 countries, prop up military dictators who overthrow elected governments, and lose all these lives, promoting democracy in iraq? what is going on here? i say its time to come home! i say we read the constitution!"
im sure dr paul would do this for us. as im also sure fox news will not let us use that sound byte from the debate so now we should add some more things in there.

faisal
01-23-2008, 09:12 PM
w8... this doesn't make sense. Is the ad for the Super Bowl? We already know that SB ads cannot be political yet we're still buying one. Can you pleeeaaassseee give some more info or is this all a part of your strategy?

frankdogg
01-23-2008, 09:14 PM
Hey guys, just caught on to this thread... Glad people like the ads and I am more than willing to make any changes and/or make sure that it is ready to roll by the time needed.

As for the CCR track, I had someone a few months back check on how much it would cost to run it regionally, but not nationally. He never got back with to let me know how much it was going to cost. With that said, I have the contact person info to find out the price for the CCR track. Whoever is heading this project up (reserving the space, etc) needs to get in touch with them, explain the details of the use and PAC, and find out the price. Here is the contact info:

Eli Tirado
Music Licensing
Concord Music Group/Fantasy Jazz
510.486.2099

I'm not sure if I would mention the Youtube video link, b/c I would hate for them to take it down, but just mention use of Creedence Clearwater Revival's "Fortunate Son" for a :30 Ron Paul ad to be broadcast once during the Superbowl. He will probably ask a few questions about the PAC, non-profit, etc, and then will get back to you. You can also try this contact if he doesn't get back to you in a timely manner:

Melissa Woods
Concord Music Group Licensing
310.385.4455

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Both ads "Ron Paul Is" and "Ron Paul Ad Remix" are ready to roll for broadcast, and if given enough time, I can upres them to HD quality, which would freakin' rock. The HD stuff I have done for ESPN gives me chills every time I see it broadcast.

Someone had mentioned that ad with the other track I mixed it to originally, but that is not royalty free either... It is a track called "Weapons of Mass Distortion" by The Crystal Method.

Personally, I don't feel like the CCR ad needs voiceover... I tried it at one time and it actually took away from the impact of the spot. The one good thing with the Superbowl is that people watch the commercials as much if not more than the action. I don't think it will be an issue with somebody being in the other room and not catching it as is a fear with some. IMO. But, with that said, I will do whatever you guys decide on ultimately. I am here to give my professional marketing advice and skills in anyway that can help Ron Paul get elected.

Sooo... minus someone checking in on the CCR price (won't hurt to find out)... do I need to submit my stuff somewhere or can this be my official "I'm putting my ads in for review statement" ?

Look forward to helping any way that I can! :D
Adam

frankdogg
01-23-2008, 09:17 PM
One thing I left out... If we do put any type of voice over on the CCR ad, I definitely think it should be Ron Paul sound bytes or something written that he reads for us that blends into the messages being shown on the text.

Thanks!

danda
01-23-2008, 09:19 PM
That is a good one...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MXSea2W1qcg

A few more points for this one:

* It clearly conveys that Ron Paul stands out from other candidates of both parties and is worth listening to.
* It is clever. People like cleverness. People talk about clever super-bowl ads.
* It is different from most boring political ads, which many people tune out. Different things *stand out* in people's minds.
* It should appeal to younger viewers and help to create more BUZZ. And also females. My girlfriend, who is totally apolitical says that this is her favorite one.
* It uses Ron's own voice to enunciate his freedom and economic message.

And most importantly....

* It looks like NOTHING that HQ would ever create, so it must be great!

j/k! :-)

Enzo
01-23-2008, 09:21 PM
Good Luck!

I know John Fogerty is a John Edwards supporter

break4me
01-23-2008, 09:32 PM
I used to be in charge of music licensing at a music company.

I checked with harryfox.com (songfile.com). John Fogerty is listed as the only writer for this song. The record shows it being controlled by Jondora Music:

Jondora Music
2600 10th Street
Berkeley, CA 94710-2522
(510) 549-2500

Writing and performance rights were generally seperate. In my line of work, we needed both parties approval. I'm not 100% what licensing this needs, but I would be willing to guess you need both.


To get a special licensing for this type of work you will need a specific license approved by the owners. I generally would fax them a copy of what I was looking for, followed by phone until I got who I needed to talk to. Sometimes these things can be finished same day, sometimes I could never even get an answer.

I would include in the fax how urgent timing is and lay out exactly what the song is going to be used for.

anarchy
01-23-2008, 09:46 PM
I think this one should go up. It's one of the most watched videos of youtube. But it's a 1 minute ad. I think its DEFINITELY worth the extra expense:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_gKOCb4QBA

an.old.analyst
01-23-2008, 10:19 PM
By the way, here are the terms of service to which you much agree:

You are sponsoring advertising with RonPaulBlimp.com, a for-profit political advertising agency. You are not making a donation to any political candidate or committee.

You will be entitled to a refund, minus any expenses, incurred if your message does not appear on the Skyship 600 for the specified amount of time that you purchased. However, if the advertising you purchase is oversold, we may substitute other advertising of equivalent value that expresses a similar message. For example, if all the advertising time is sold out on the blimp on a given day, we might add planes, balloons, parachuters, or other similar enhancements to the blimp rally. If the Skyship 600 flies with the advertising messages displayed, your purchase is not refundable.


Further, this is a super secret plan that they have intentionally refused to tell anyone about:

Instead, we have developed a plan to target potential Ron Paul voters during the Super Bowl at a significant discount. We are in the process of selecting and securing time slots for a Ron Paul Super Bowl commercial to run in upcoming Super Tuesday states that Ron Paul is most likely to benefit from.

Although we do not want to disclose our specific markets at this point, (no need give our competition our complete strategy) you can assume that we will not be advertising in Super Tuesday states such as Utah or Arkansas. Once we get closer to the game we will post an exact schedule of when and where they will air. The individual ad buys range in price from one to several thousand dollars. To give you an example of what type of magnitude we are talking about, for $100,000 we can reach around 5-6 million viewers who are in important Super Tuesday states.

As stated, we have already reserved ad time in some markets, as space is very limited and we didn't want to lose it. We must act fast to make this a success. In some markets we are finding that ad time during the game is sold out, so we are getting rates for the Pre and Post Game, which are still seen by about 70-90% of the people who watch the actual game.


Taken from their website.

Why do I attack these kinds of things so much? Because I am tired of being ripped off. I am tired of things changing at the last minute. I have no idea what they are selling and I find that terribly offensive. Give us money for we won't tell you what and then will tell you if you paid for it or not.

I read contracts. I know that I can depend on what they say. This contract says nothing. I find it impossible to believe that the station running the Super Bowl will decide out of the blue to give up the greatest ad time known to television at a substantial discount. That is outside the realm of believability.

Further, this says nothing about airing the ad on the station that is playing the super bowl. Nor does it say where the ads will be aired. First it says it will be in Super Tuesday states and then it says it will not be in Super Tuesday states.

What are you paying LPA to do? They will not be producing the commercial. They will not be testing it. They will be doing nothing at all except taking money out of this project. Heck, I can hand money over to a company to air an ad, can't you? You are willing to pay them for that?

Why would you decide to give them money and then let them decide what ad to air. What if you hate that ad? Then what? You have no recourse.

Again, here come all the people ignoring any actual questions and trying to get everyone excited over - well, we don't know what because it is a secret.

It is starting to look as if there are a lot of people here that are working for LPA trying to get this project to go.

Notice how they ignore any real questions. Notice how they go straight to talking about the project, but no one cares that they have no idea what this project is.

For heaven's sake people - if you read the text of that ad, they could be running this ad on the cooking channel during the super bowl. You have no idea what they are suggesting they are going to do. And yet, no one cares?

Either the people who do not care are being very foolish and just imagining something and assuming what they have imagined will be what happens or they are intentionally being obtuse and trying to deflect any questions about the project because they know they answers, they work for the blimp people and they are trying to make a lot of money off of you and they won't even tell you how much.


Have you ever hired ANYONE to do anything without asking how much it would cost?

Why doesn't anyone care about these questions?

Do you also see where they are getting prices for pre and post game ads? That is not an ad run during the Super Bowl.

At this point THEY don't know what they are going to be buying and yet they want you to donate to it.

Hey, I got a great bridge that we can re-name for 50k. Just send the money to my account.
I suggest that the group sponsoring this activity hire a lawyer or business consultant to draft a agreement and terms of service (TOS). This is standard operating procedure and really is something that should be done, even if it only covers the basic points that Cyclone raises.



I figure they should do it because no one else from the grassroots is doing it.

Some of your statements have validity, but they're the ones who are stepping forward.
I couldn't dispute this statement more forcefully. There have been plenty of posters who have been hard at work creating PACs and producing radio and TV advertising. While I agree that someone has to drive this, it's insulting that this group thinks it can come-in in the last minute and basically leverage others work in this way. It is quite obvious by recent posts that there is quite a few posters who have suggested that future funding be directed toward advertising instead of the Blimp. I suspect that this group understands this but does not wish to loose their leverage in the grassroots community, therefore they are jumping in front of other's parade.

While this group should be commended for the work that they put in and their willingness to push these efforts forward, they certainly could have come to the grassroots with an inquiry into the best way to proceed, so that others would have the opportunity to contribute to the ideation and execution of this project. While I certainly could be wrong here, I suspect that deep down this is more about egos than the cause.

misericordia
01-23-2008, 10:29 PM
While RP voice-over plays, camera pans divergent groups of RP supporters...BUT FUNNY

fat men dressed as nuns,
techies with nerds for rp signs
grannies with guns
canadians for cannibus
4,000 babies that spell out Ron Paul from a sky-shot
the OTHER 'depends' vote

I'm sure you can come up with funnier groups.

BeFranklin
01-23-2008, 10:45 PM
blimp

Cyclone
01-23-2008, 11:07 PM
I suggest that the group sponsoring this activity hire a lawyer or business consultant to draft a agreement and terms of service (TOS). This is standard operating procedure and really is something that should be done, even if it only covers the basic points that Cyclone raises.



I couldn't dispute this statement more forcefully. There have been plenty of posters who have been hard at work creating PACs and producing radio and TV advertising. While I agree that someone has to drive this, it's insulting that this group thinks it can come-in in the last minute and basically leverage others work in this way. It is quite obvious by recent posts that there is quite a few posters who have suggested that future funding be directed toward advertising instead of the Blimp. I suspect that this group understands this but does not wish to loose their leverage in the grassroots community, therefore they are jumping in front of other's parade.

While this group should be commended for the work that they put in and their willingness to push these efforts forward, they certainly could have come to the grassroots with an inquiry into the best way to proceed, so that others would have the opportunity to contribute to the ideation and execution of this project. While I certainly could be wrong here, I suspect that deep down this is more about egos than the cause.

No, actually this is more about reality than egos. I work very hard for Ron Paul. I don't want to get paid a dime. I don't know anything about TV ads nor would I pretend I do. I don't know what works and what doesn't. I do know that some ads are effective and others are not. I also know this blimp team. They have been here before, and I am shocked that this forum, which supposedly does not allow solicitations here allows them to take over.

The only ego involved is that I am distressed to no end how they work. They get a group of people to attack what used to be good people on this forum for daring to post an opposing viewpoint and half of those folks are gone now. Left in their place are these trolls who work for LPA and swarm like bees every time LPA comes up with another scheme to take money away from Ron Paul and put it into their pocket. As a Ron Paul supporter, I take exception to this.

As far as your post, you bring up some good points, but they will not be addressed. Neither will the ones I brought up.

Sorry. No questions allowed. This is the blimp team. This is how they work. They make vague statements, answer no questions and have a whole team of people that act like George Bush advisers, making sure nothing real actually gets through.

Think I am making this up? Read this: http://www.ronpaulblimp.com/superbowl/

You should be able to see that their "offer" and terms of service do not say anything at all. This is so that they can change the terms as often as necessary even after the money comes rolling in. (This happened before, but then I guess folks have short memories).

You should also know this is a FOR-PROFIT company and while every other person here has worked for free for the Ron Paul campaign, these people take a large chunk out for their own "salaries."

When the blimp first started there were many of these people from LPA who stated they were going to take out 1000 per week, each. Then I think they bumped it down to 500.

But don't worry, nothing real will ever get discussed here. That is not how the blimpettes work. They come in swarms, you can tell them because they joined sometime between Oct. and Dec. and a few in January, but almost none prior to October, and they take over threads with pushiness and suggestions about fluff but they do not discuss specifics.

It should be clear by now that anyone that comes on here and pushes people to donate to a company that is going to take a lot of money out of the project for their own salaries, to do nearly NOTHING - except what, take all creative control away from you all and then hand over money to a TV station, is a troll.

A troll - someone using the Ron Paul campaign to make money off of, or to hurt the efforts to get Ron Paul elected.

I am sick of this. They did this with the blimp. A guy tried to do this with the Roy Jones Jr. fight and I was fought tooth and nail for that one too - guy taking money for a supposed ad that never happened - he did give the money back - and now this.

Anyone notice how one of the principals of LPA stated the other day that he had lost a lot of money on the blimp? Now, he is usurping other's ideas, coming in here, requesting that others create an ad for him and then he will take a lot of money off the top so that he can have an ad on the cooking channel during the super bowl.

This behavior is bull. This team knows nothing at all about marketing, they are rank amateurs. To pay them professional, heck, any wages at all is absurd. Now, if they had produced the commercial themselves, that is different. But they are just taking other people's work and they will take a TON of money out of whatever they get and pay THEMSELVES.

Think I am lying? Why would the person who started this thread, see that question about how much they are making and stay silent? This is set up through the same blimp team and I would imagine they same entire over bloated staff of five or more, will require at least 500 per week each so that one person can send a tape and a check into a TV station to air an ad.

But they are very good at what they do and the trolls win out every time. There are too many of them and it impossible to ask legitimate questions.

How about these-

WILL YOU GET YOUR MONEY BACK IF THEY CANNOT FUND THE ENTIRE PROJECT?

WHAT CHANNEL DO THEY PLAN ON AIRING THE ADS?

WHAT TIME DO THEY PLAN ON AIRING THE ADS?

HOW MUCH MONEY ARE THEY TAKING FOR THEMSELVES?

Think those questions deserve answering? I fully expect the troll brigade to rush in here, talk about the content of the commercial and do everything they can to bury these questions.

Mckarnin
01-23-2008, 11:09 PM
I just donated money at the super bowl ad page and I will donate more later... Dont listen to the losers that have no plans but lots of complaints... just do it! just give the money to the people that were able to launch the blimp and together we will have more good results.

Thanks for your vote of confidence!

fuzzybekool
01-23-2008, 11:12 PM
bump

BeFranklin
01-23-2008, 11:12 PM
I change my original position and say that frank doggs is the best..

We can do better. It doesn't mention he's running as a Republican candidate for one, which is important.

Valis33
01-23-2008, 11:13 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Med926aDBoc


nuff said

Mckarnin
01-23-2008, 11:14 PM
Sorry, older than 12. What does KM stand for?

Cyclone, please be polite. I replied to you inside your quote by accident and had to have at least two characters for it to post so I used my initials, KM=Katharine Memole.

skinnyskittles1989
01-23-2008, 11:15 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Med926aDBoc


nuff said

i agree but we'll have to change the music for copyright issues

Mckarnin
01-23-2008, 11:17 PM
Agreed. BUT...

I have many of the same concerns. I donated $50 to the blimp.
I know...it's nothing. A drop in the bucket...but it's still $50 to me.

That being said, I want to know BEFOREHAND what wages each person involved in this will be. I do not feel like the blimp was handled very well, but I too understand you guys are learning as you go, and don't have the benefit of experience. I am empathetic.

However, I personally cannot donate this project without knowing specifics, along with a promise to reveal how, where, and who this money was spent on.

I also have NO problem with you making a profit (if you are fortunate enough to).
But I don't want to be gouged. If someone comes up with an ad better than FrankDogg's (and I doubt you will honestly) or you determine you will use his, and you ask for money, the ad better run.

No excuses like "well, the material wasn't available" or "they're sewing the other banner right now".

I'm sorry....if I am being cynical. I'm really not trying to be, and I also realize I don't have thousands to throw at this, but I don't think that these PRErequesites are outrageous.

Here's what I'm trying to say:

If you come here and say "Look, here's what it's going to cost. This is where they will run, here's what we'll get paid for our efforts (and quitting our daytime jobs), and here's the ad we're going to run", you WILL GET MONEY.
(As long as the ad doesn't suck of course).

If you can bring those things to the table....you'll get more than enough money.

My suggestion is

1. use Frankdogg's ad. (find another soundtrack if you must).
(Also, let me know if you need help with this...I have a superb musician friend who can get something to you, royalty free.....as I'm sure can many others here)

2. Arrange 3 tiers of markets.
a. Essential markets (minimum markets needed to make an impact)
b. Requested markets (Essential Markets + those "would love to have")
c. Every Super Tuesday State - Nuff said.

3. Come to us with numbers required for all three of these with an itemized breakdown of what, why, where, etc.

4. Create a chip in.

5. Follow through on your promises.

I guarantee if you do this...you'll get enough money to run ads in every Super Tuesday state. I have ZERO doubt that the Revolution will come up with every penny they can scratch together for this. WE ALL WANT TO WIN.
We also ALL WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT WILL COST AND IF YOU"LL FOLLOW THROUGH.


Thanks for hearing me out.

I took your post and emailed it to everyone working on this...thank you for the constructive criticism.

wfd40
01-23-2008, 11:18 PM
One thing I left out... If we do put any type of voice over on the CCR ad, I definitely think it should be Ron Paul sound bytes or something written that he reads for us that blends into the messages being shown on the text.

Thanks!

No voice-over man... that ad is pretty much perfect. The song *instantly* cuts right through to the baby-boomer generation and I think in many ways, reminds them of their more peaceful, anti-war, anti-corruption, pro-freedom roots... its nostalgic, yet totally 'now'.. which again, reminds them of the shit storm we're in.

Its different (no voice-over, modern animation) - just like dr. Paul... and yet grounded in the past(CCR, styling) .. again, just like dr. paul.

The instant those those guitar notes and drum beat kick in, everyone will look up to the TV and listen... and read.

:)

Mckarnin
01-23-2008, 11:19 PM
Blimpette you are the best. You don't let yourself be depressed for one second and get up to pick up another fight. (as opposed to many of the posters here)

Instead on waiting for HQ play the Jeopardy music before they decide, you lead the way.

You GO girl!


Thank you for the compliments. To be honest, the ideas that I end up presenting are a group effort and I am just the messenger. I am aggressive though and I'll take credit for getting things done! :-)

colecrowe
01-23-2008, 11:19 PM
This is such an awesome idea! So wonderful. I guess you could call this a bump of exuberance.

BeFranklin
01-23-2008, 11:21 PM
Let's define what would be the ideal ad for the super bowl, and then decide if we can produce an effective one for the super bowl, or need to use an existing one (then have an objective criteria of the ideal we aren't achieving if we have to use an existing ad).

In my mind, the ad should mention Ron Paul is running as a republican candidate (mentioned before in thread)

b) should have a tie in to the super bowl if possible, or other bang (think Apple's 1984 ad) that makes people sit up and take notice of this specific ad as opposed to a generic ad already run. This gives it more of a chance to be picked up in other media writeups.

c) I think an ad more on the economic issues makes sense at this point, and will be more likely noticed by voters.

d) other criteria for ideal ad...

Cyclone
01-23-2008, 11:24 PM
Cyclone, please be polite. I replied to you inside your quote by accident and had to have at least two characters for it to post so I used my initials, KM=Katharine Memole.

I politely ask you the following:

WILL YOU GET YOUR MONEY BACK IF THEY CANNOT FUND THE ENTIRE PROJECT?

WHAT CHANNEL DO THEY PLAN ON AIRING THE ADS?

WHAT TIME DO THEY PLAN ON AIRING THE ADS?

HOW MUCH MONEY ARE THEY TAKING FOR THEMSELVES?

It appears from your responses to my quote prior, which I admit I did not see, that you have nothing settled yet. Moreover, you state that it is expensive to run focus groups and to see which ads are more effective and therefore you imply that you will not be doing any of this. As a paid advertising agency, I would expect this action to be taken. As a volunteer just doing what they can, I would not.

Forgive the caps above, I didn't feel like re-typing the questions. But will you please answer them?

BeFranklin
01-23-2008, 11:27 PM
b) should have a tie in to the super bowl if possible, or other bang (think Apple's 1984 ad) that makes people sit up and take notice of this specific ad as opposed to a generic ad already run. This gives it more of a chance to be picked up in other media writeups.


Of course one tie in is the patriots are playing in the team, but then we'd have to pick a team :) Could still build it in someway though.

Energy
01-23-2008, 11:27 PM
Just donated. Thanks for organizing this.

RCRanger03
01-23-2008, 11:33 PM
how about that "Hope Anthem" song with frankdoggs ad. I think the first 30 secs matches up decently with it and I'm sure that it can be edited to fit even better with all these AV whiz kids we have.

Mckarnin
01-23-2008, 11:35 PM
By the way, here are the terms of service to which you much agree:

You are sponsoring advertising with RonPaulBlimp.com, a for-profit political advertising agency. You are not making a donation to any political candidate or committee.

You will be entitled to a refund, minus any expenses, incurred if your message does not appear on the Skyship 600 for the specified amount of time that you purchased. However, if the advertising you purchase is oversold, we may substitute other advertising of equivalent value that expresses a similar message. For example, if all the advertising time is sold out on the blimp on a given day, we might add planes, balloons, parachuters, or other similar enhancements to the blimp rally. If the Skyship 600 flies with the advertising messages displayed, your purchase is not refundable.


Further, this is a super secret plan that they have intentionally refused to tell anyone about:

I questioned that wording and will work on getting some major disclosure up tomorrow. The way this project works the only money we will get is a commission from the Fox stations themselves. So the prices we'll quote on the disclosure will be the quote from the station and when we get that amount of money the ad will be paid for.


Instead, we have developed a plan to target potential Ron Paul voters during the Super Bowl at a significant discount. We are in the process of selecting and securing time slots for a Ron Paul Super Bowl commercial to run in upcoming Super Tuesday states that Ron Paul is most likely to benefit from.

Although we do not want to disclose our specific markets at this point, (no need give our competition our complete strategy) you can assume that we will not be advertising in Super Tuesday states such as Utah or Arkansas. Once we get closer to the game we will post an exact schedule of when and where they will air. The individual ad buys range in price from one to several thousand dollars. To give you an example of what type of magnitude we are talking about, for $100,000 we can reach around 5-6 million viewers who are in important Super Tuesday states.

As stated, we have already reserved ad time in some markets, as space is very limited and we didn't want to lose it. We must act fast to make this a success. In some markets we are finding that ad time during the game is sold out, so we are getting rates for the Pre and Post Game, which are still seen by about 70-90% of the people who watch the actual game.


Taken from their website.

Why do I attack these kinds of things so much? Because I am tired of being ripped off. I am tired of things changing at the last minute. I have no idea what they are selling and I find that terribly offensive. Give us money for we won't tell you what and then will tell you if you paid for it or not.

I read contracts. I know that I can depend on what they say. This contract says nothing. I find it impossible to believe that the station running the Super Bowl will decide out of the blue to give up the greatest ad time known to television at a substantial discount. That is outside the realm of believability.

Further, this says nothing about airing the ad on the station that is playing the super bowl. Nor does it say where the ads will be aired. First it says it will be in Super Tuesday states and then it says it will not be in Super Tuesday states.

What are you paying LPA to do? They will not be producing the commercial. They will not be testing it. They will be doing nothing at all except taking money out of this project. Heck, I can hand money over to a company to air an ad, can't you? You are willing to pay them for that?

Why would you decide to give them money and then let them decide what ad to air. What if you hate that ad? Then what? You have no recourse.

Again, here come all the people ignoring any actual questions and trying to get everyone excited over - well, we don't know what because it is a secret.

It is starting to look as if there are a lot of people here that are working for LPA trying to get this project to go.

Notice how they ignore any real questions. Notice how they go straight to talking about the project, but no one cares that they have no idea what this project is.

For heaven's sake people - if you read the text of that ad, they could be running this ad on the cooking channel during the super bowl. You have no idea what they are suggesting they are going to do. And yet, no one cares?

Either the people who do not care are being very foolish and just imagining something and assuming what they have imagined will be what happens or they are intentionally being obtuse and trying to deflect any questions about the project because they know they answers, they work for the blimp people and they are trying to make a lot of money off of you and they won't even tell you how much.


Have you ever hired ANYONE to do anything without asking how much it would cost?

Why doesn't anyone care about these questions?

Do you also see where they are getting prices for pre and post game ads? That is not an ad run during the Super Bowl.

At this point THEY don't know what they are going to be buying and yet they want you to donate to it.

Hey, I got a great bridge that we can re-name for 50k. Just send the money to my account.


KM--Katharine Memole :-)

FTL
01-23-2008, 11:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Med926aDBoc

This one is PERFECT for the Superbowl. It really grabs attention right away and impresses. Please, PLEASE pick this one!!


That is my all time favorite too!

kill the banks
01-23-2008, 11:42 PM
i suggest we contact GHoeberX and have him put one together

kill the banks

ps add a chip in please

SocraticAce
01-23-2008, 11:44 PM
http://www.operationbroadcastfreedom.com those are the ones we should use

I agree. Espcially the supporter monologues on the white backgrounds.

Cyclone
01-23-2008, 11:44 PM
I politely ask you the following:

WILL YOU GET YOUR MONEY BACK IF THEY CANNOT FUND THE ENTIRE PROJECT?

WHAT CHANNEL DO THEY PLAN ON AIRING THE ADS?

WHAT TIME DO THEY PLAN ON AIRING THE ADS?

HOW MUCH MONEY ARE THEY TAKING FOR THEMSELVES?

It appears from your responses to my quote prior, which I admit I did not see, that you have nothing settled yet. Moreover, you state that it is expensive to run focus groups and to see which ads are more effective and therefore you imply that you will not be doing any of this. As a paid advertising agency, I would expect this action to be taken. As a volunteer just doing what they can, I would not.

Forgive the caps above, I didn't feel like re-typing the questions. But will you please answer them?

I will politely re-ask you these questions. I see that you are taking a kickback for running the ads, that explains how you are getting paid but not how much. Perhaps when you get the details ironed out you can start getting the money.

I think a lot of people here have great ideas, ask for money, and then have to change things completely because they have not done their homework on the project. People around here like every other person on the planet like to know what they are buying before they spend the money. That is only reasonable.

misericordia
01-23-2008, 11:47 PM
take your medicine, Florida

the gold standard, Dr Ron Paul.

BeFranklin
01-23-2008, 11:52 PM
KM--Katharine Memole :-)



What are you paying LPA to do? They will not be producing the commercial. They will not be testing it. They will be doing nothing at all except taking money out of this project. Heck, I can hand money over to a company to air an ad, can't you? You are willing to pay them for that?


Good idea. Why don't we test the ad on forums before using it. The suggestion about making sure it says "ron paul republican candidate" or some such is valid - still getting people saying he is an independent or libertarian or something.

Mckarnin
01-23-2008, 11:54 PM
I would seriously recommend determining what the royalties would be in frankdogg's ad. The song is extremely well known and will immediately grab the audiences attention because most people actually like it. Honestly, please find out how much CCR charges.

The song is perfect for the ad! I have someone researching researching the pricing on the rights and I'll let you all know when I know.

RonRules
01-23-2008, 11:54 PM
I politely ask you the following:

WILL YOU GET YOUR MONEY BACK IF THEY CANNOT FUND THE ENTIRE PROJECT?

WHAT CHANNEL DO THEY PLAN ON AIRING THE ADS?

WHAT TIME DO THEY PLAN ON AIRING THE ADS?

HOW MUCH MONEY ARE THEY TAKING FOR THEMSELVES?



Let ME answer, even though I'm not involved.

If you read the original message, you will realize that they can't publicly post when/were the ads due to other candidates reading this. So, forget about questions 2 and 3.

How much money at they taking for themselves? From what I've seen, considering the hours these guys are putting in, it is considerably LESS than minimum wage. They have put their lives on hold for this.

As far as getting your money back, consider that you are donating to a very efficient organization that will use everybody's funds the best way they can. If all the money can't be used in the Super Bowl ads, then presumably it will go to fly the airplane banners of the sister company. It makes no sense to donate with an expectation of getting money back. Go back 20 years and try that with Mother Theresa.

I'm TOTALLY fine with their new project, and please give them a little respect. For weeks people were discussing Super Bowl ads and NOBODY was taking ACTION. Let them do their work and support them. Post your negativity somewhere else.

colecrowe
01-23-2008, 11:54 PM
1) Do you want a RP ad during superbowl?
Absolutely--but following the plan of going local is probably better than national.
2) Will you support funding of this ad through http://www.ronpaulblimp.com/superbowl/ ? If not, how do you propose implementing this project?
I don't know yet, but I'm leaning towards Yes.
3) Which grassroot commercial would you nominate? Post a youtube link.


I absolutely believe that none of them are quite good enough yet. We need some incredible competition for the best ad in the next few days--it must be creative, professional, message oriented, include Ron Paul speaking (audio and video), and almost shocking.

mikeInAZ
01-23-2008, 11:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Med926aDBoc That is my all time favorite too!

Mine as well. However, the music is half of it's appeal I think.

BLS
01-24-2008, 12:06 AM
I took your post and emailed it to everyone working on this...thank you for the constructive criticism.


Thank you for addressing my concerns.

BLS
01-24-2008, 12:06 AM
Mine as well. However, the music is half of it's appeal I think.

It is. I think we should look into what it would cost to do this.

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 12:06 AM
good point. i dont think theres a perfect ad. the CCR music and the message is very powerful though especially during a SB comercial. it could help viewers come to see RP in a more patriotic light so to speak.

for a runnner up i like this ad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mMTa79Uzc

Working on pricing the rights.

mikeInAZ
01-24-2008, 12:09 AM
You can search for and license music here.

http://www.gettyimages.com/Music/PumpAudio.aspx

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 12:17 AM
They aren't trolls. She's part of the blimp team I believe.
Say what you want about the blimp, but I think she's the blimps PR
person, which makes her not a troll.

Not sure if the troll comments were addressed to me but you are right, I am Katharine Memole, Project Manger of the Ron Paul Blimp and the Super Bowl/Super Bowl Sunday Commercials. I also try to keep up with Customer Relations..not as much as I'd like though.

K

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 12:19 AM
What about the CNN AD Competition?

Lots of 30 second commercials to choose from

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=RonPaulAdCompetition


How about the winner of that competition?

Good idea, we'll look there too.

BeFranklin
01-24-2008, 12:31 AM
Have Ron Paul do a new 30 second spot, then all the supporters will really want to hear it too :)

Paulbot_9876
01-24-2008, 12:34 AM
lol

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 12:34 AM
w8... this doesn't make sense. Is the ad for the Super Bowl? We already know that SB ads cannot be political yet we're still buying one. Can you pleeeaaassseee give some more info or is this all a part of your strategy?

I don't know whether national are illegal or not..I think they're just expensive. We are placing ads in local markets and they already are running ads for other candidates in several markets. This is legal, I have spoken with Fox's national ad people too so this isn't some local "misunderstanding". :)

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 12:40 AM
Hey guys, just caught on to this thread... Glad people like the ads and I am more than willing to make any changes and/or make sure that it is ready to roll by the time needed.

As for the CCR track, I had someone a few months back check on how much it would cost to run it regionally, but not nationally. He never got back with to let me know how much it was going to cost. With that said, I have the contact person info to find out the price for the CCR track. Whoever is heading this project up (reserving the space, etc) needs to get in touch with them, explain the details of the use and PAC, and find out the price. Here is the contact info:

Eli Tirado
Music Licensing
Concord Music Group/Fantasy Jazz
510.486.2099

I'm not sure if I would mention the Youtube video link, b/c I would hate for them to take it down, but just mention use of Creedence Clearwater Revival's "Fortunate Son" for a :30 Ron Paul ad to be broadcast once during the Superbowl. He will probably ask a few questions about the PAC, non-profit, etc, and then will get back to you. You can also try this contact if he doesn't get back to you in a timely manner:

Melissa Woods
Concord Music Group Licensing
310.385.4455

---
Both ads "Ron Paul Is" and "Ron Paul Ad Remix" are ready to roll for broadcast, and if given enough time, I can upres them to HD quality, which would freakin' rock. The HD stuff I have done for ESPN gives me chills every time I see it broadcast.

Someone had mentioned that ad with the other track I mixed it to originally, but that is not royalty free either... It is a track called "Weapons of Mass Distortion" by The Crystal Method.

Personally, I don't feel like the CCR ad needs voiceover... I tried it at one time and it actually took away from the impact of the spot. The one good thing with the Superbowl is that people watch the commercials as much if not more than the action. I don't think it will be an issue with somebody being in the other room and not catching it as is a fear with some. IMO. But, with that said, I will do whatever you guys decide on ultimately. I am here to give my professional marketing advice and skills in anyway that can help Ron Paul get elected.

Sooo... minus someone checking in on the CCR price (won't hurt to find out)... do I need to submit my stuff somewhere or can this be my official "I'm putting my ads in for review statement" ?

Look forward to helping any way that I can! :D
Adam



We love them and do not feel like they need voiceover. "Imagine" is almost perfect. No voiceover needed. There are a couple seconds we might have to nip/add black screen. We're looking into the rights on CCR. Can you PM me your email/phone number (if you don't mind) so we can work with you on it?

Katharine (Project Manger of Superbowl Ads/Blimp)

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 12:41 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MXSea2W1qcg

A few more points for this one:

* It clearly conveys that Ron Paul stands out from other candidates of both parties and is worth listening to.
* It is clever. People like cleverness. People talk about clever super-bowl ads.
* It is different from most boring political ads, which many people tune out. Different things *stand out* in people's minds.
* It should appeal to younger viewers and help to create more BUZZ. And also females. My girlfriend, who is totally apolitical says that this is her favorite one.
* It uses Ron's own voice to enunciate his freedom and economic message.

And most importantly....

* It looks like NOTHING that HQ would ever create, so it must be great!

j/k! :-)


LOL!

colecrowe
01-24-2008, 12:41 AM
there is no slots open i wouldnt think anyway......to late to fund it and get it aired anyway.....

Well, this graph http://www.ronpaulgraphs.com/blimp_pledge_v_actual_members.html shows that we raised like $270,000 in 11 days for the blimp. That's almost 25,000 per day. I think this super bowl ad idea is way way better than the blimp (I gave 250 to that--I kinda wish I had that 150 of that now, so I could give like 500 to this--as it is I'll probably be able to give 350).

I still think THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30yxHqSUva8 is THE ad for this. It's so down to earth and genuine.

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 12:42 AM
Good Luck!

I know John Fogerty is a John Edwards supporter

He doesn't own the rights.

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 12:46 AM
I suggest that the group sponsoring this activity hire a lawyer or business consultant to draft a agreement and terms of service (TOS). This is standard operating procedure and really is something that should be done, even if it only covers the basic points that Cyclone raises.



I couldn't dispute this statement more forcefully. There have been plenty of posters who have been hard at work creating PACs and producing radio and TV advertising. While I agree that someone has to drive this, it's insulting that this group thinks it can come-in in the last minute and basically leverage others work in this way. It is quite obvious by recent posts that there is quite a few posters who have suggested that future funding be directed toward advertising instead of the Blimp. I suspect that this group understands this but does not wish to loose their leverage in the grassroots community, therefore they are jumping in front of other's parade.

While this group should be commended for the work that they put in and their willingness to push these efforts forward, they certainly could have come to the grassroots with an inquiry into the best way to proceed, so that others would have the opportunity to contribute to the ideation and execution of this project. While I certainly could be wrong here, I suspect that deep down this is more about egos than the cause.

Your ego statement couldn't be further from the truth. Honestly the last thing we needed right now is another complicated project BUT we saw no one working on Super Bowl ads and decided to see if there was a demand. We only realized that it needed to be done a couple days ago since we had a few transit days for the blimp and got a few hours of free time to work on other things. There are obviously a lot of groups working very hard on putting up commercials and we don't intend to replace them.

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 12:48 AM
No, actually this is more about reality than egos. I work very hard for Ron Paul. I don't want to get paid a dime. I don't know anything about TV ads nor would I pretend I do. I don't know what works and what doesn't. I do know that some ads are effective and others are not. I also know this blimp team. They have been here before, and I am shocked that this forum, which supposedly does not allow solicitations here allows them to take over.

The only ego involved is that I am distressed to no end how they work. They get a group of people to attack what used to be good people on this forum for daring to post an opposing viewpoint and half of those folks are gone now. Left in their place are these trolls who work for LPA and swarm like bees every time LPA comes up with another scheme to take money away from Ron Paul and put it into their pocket. As a Ron Paul supporter, I take exception to this.

As far as your post, you bring up some good points, but they will not be addressed. Neither will the ones I brought up.

Sorry. No questions allowed. This is the blimp team. This is how they work. They make vague statements, answer no questions and have a whole team of people that act like George Bush advisers, making sure nothing real actually gets through.

Think I am making this up? Read this: http://www.ronpaulblimp.com/superbowl/

You should be able to see that their "offer" and terms of service do not say anything at all. This is so that they can change the terms as often as necessary even after the money comes rolling in. (This happened before, but then I guess folks have short memories).

You should also know this is a FOR-PROFIT company and while every other person here has worked for free for the Ron Paul campaign, these people take a large chunk out for their own "salaries."

When the blimp first started there were many of these people from LPA who stated they were going to take out 1000 per week, each. Then I think they bumped it down to 500.

But don't worry, nothing real will ever get discussed here. That is not how the blimpettes work. They come in swarms, you can tell them because they joined sometime between Oct. and Dec. and a few in January, but almost none prior to October, and they take over threads with pushiness and suggestions about fluff but they do not discuss specifics.

It should be clear by now that anyone that comes on here and pushes people to donate to a company that is going to take a lot of money out of the project for their own salaries, to do nearly NOTHING - except what, take all creative control away from you all and then hand over money to a TV station, is a troll.

A troll - someone using the Ron Paul campaign to make money off of, or to hurt the efforts to get Ron Paul elected.

I am sick of this. They did this with the blimp. A guy tried to do this with the Roy Jones Jr. fight and I was fought tooth and nail for that one too - guy taking money for a supposed ad that never happened - he did give the money back - and now this.

Anyone notice how one of the principals of LPA stated the other day that he had lost a lot of money on the blimp? Now, he is usurping other's ideas, coming in here, requesting that others create an ad for him and then he will take a lot of money off the top so that he can have an ad on the cooking channel during the super bowl.

This behavior is bull. This team knows nothing at all about marketing, they are rank amateurs. To pay them professional, heck, any wages at all is absurd. Now, if they had produced the commercial themselves, that is different. But they are just taking other people's work and they will take a TON of money out of whatever they get and pay THEMSELVES.

Think I am lying? Why would the person who started this thread, see that question about how much they are making and stay silent? This is set up through the same blimp team and I would imagine they same entire over bloated staff of five or more, will require at least 500 per week each so that one person can send a tape and a check into a TV station to air an ad.

But they are very good at what they do and the trolls win out every time. There are too many of them and it impossible to ask legitimate questions.

How about these-

WILL YOU GET YOUR MONEY BACK IF THEY CANNOT FUND THE ENTIRE PROJECT?

WHAT CHANNEL DO THEY PLAN ON AIRING THE ADS?

WHAT TIME DO THEY PLAN ON AIRING THE ADS?

HOW MUCH MONEY ARE THEY TAKING FOR THEMSELVES?

Think those questions deserve answering? I fully expect the troll brigade to rush in here, talk about the content of the commercial and do everything they can to bury these questions.


I replied to those questions already.

ronpaultag
01-24-2008, 12:51 AM
I nominate this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mMTa79Uzc

(I didn't make it, but the guy who did offers a high-quality downloadable version to be used by the grassroots)

that's my favorite too

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 12:57 AM
I politely ask you the following:

WILL YOU GET YOUR MONEY BACK IF THEY CANNOT FUND THE ENTIRE PROJECT?

WHAT CHANNEL DO THEY PLAN ON AIRING THE ADS?

WHAT TIME DO THEY PLAN ON AIRING THE ADS?

HOW MUCH MONEY ARE THEY TAKING FOR THEMSELVES?

It appears from your responses to my quote prior, which I admit I did not see, that you have nothing settled yet. Moreover, you state that it is expensive to run focus groups and to see which ads are more effective and therefore you imply that you will not be doing any of this. As a paid advertising agency, I would expect this action to be taken. As a volunteer just doing what they can, I would not.

Forgive the caps above, I didn't feel like re-typing the questions. But will you please answer them?


WILL YOU GET YOUR MONEY BACK IF THEY CANNOT FUND THE ENTIRE PROJECT?
Since this project is composed of many individual ad buys in different markets we can commit to ads and pay them $1000, $1,500, $5,000 at a time to each individual station. Some pre-game slots are as little as $500, that means that there will not be "leftover" money..except for some amount under $499 which we can throw towards other RP advertising.

WHAT CHANNEL DO THEY PLAN ON AIRING THE ADS?
All the ads will be on Fox owned Fox stations or Fox affiliate stations. We'll decide tomorrow what the benefit/downside ratio is on total disclosure of the markets we are advertising in. We will certainly be fleshing this all out with more information over the course of the next few days.

WHAT TIME DO THEY PLAN ON AIRING THE ADS?

Ideally, during the Super Bowl. Some markets no longer have Super Bowl time available, or it is VERY expensive. In those markets we may decide to take a pre-game slot or advertise during the meet the candidates special on Fox that will be running from 9am-12noon.

HOW MUCH MONEY ARE THEY TAKING FOR THEMSELVES?

The only money we'll get from this project is the standard Agency Commission that television stations pay to people who sell advertising. The rate they quote us for the ads is the exact amount you all will pay and it already includes the commission they pay.

Tarzan
01-24-2008, 12:57 AM
Absolutely my favorite... a couple of minor tweaks to be ready for broadcast and obtaining the rights to use the music. No voice over needs to be added as it is nearly perfect as is. Some minor text additions and this thing is ready to go and make some impact.

My vote if for Imagine, America (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Med926aDBoc)
great job FrankDogg
.

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 12:59 AM
I will politely re-ask you these questions. I see that you are taking a kickback for running the ads, that explains how you are getting paid but not how much. Perhaps when you get the details ironed out you can start getting the money.

I think a lot of people here have great ideas, ask for money, and then have to change things completely because they have not done their homework on the project. People around here like every other person on the planet like to know what they are buying before they spend the money. That is only reasonable.

That is standard and it is a commission, not a kickback (kickbacks are illegal). Commission is built into the quotes for all television stations.

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 01:04 AM
Well, this graph http://www.ronpaulgraphs.com/blimp_pledge_v_actual_members.html shows that we raised like $270,000 in 11 days for the blimp. That's almost 25,000 per day. I think this super bowl ad idea is way way better than the blimp (I gave 250 to that--I kinda wish I had that 150 of that now, so I could give like 500 to this--as it is I'll probably be able to give 350).

I still think THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30yxHqSUva8 is THE ad for this. It's so down to earth and genuine.

Colecrowe,

Thanks for the encouraging words and supporting the Super Bowl ads. :)

basejumper
01-24-2008, 01:18 AM
WHAT CHANNEL DO THEY PLAN ON AIRING THE ADS?
All the ads will be on Fox owned Fox stations or Fox affiliate stations. We'll decide tomorrow what the benefit/downside ratio is on total disclosure of the markets we are advertising in. We will certainly be fleshing this all out with more information over the course of the next few days.



Just wondering.... If Fox hates RP so much and there is this media blackout thing going on, who's to say they air the ads at all? They could take the money and say screw you. Is there some kind of way to verify the ads were run besides Tivo'ing all the stations?

BeFranklin
01-24-2008, 01:24 AM
You all are setting your expectations way too low.

This is a *super bowl* ad. It should be a new ad geared towards that. We can make a new ad, I'm sure some of our other ad producers would *love* to get a chance to produce a new ad for the super bowl.

If a run of a mill generic ad that has already been run is run, it won't generate any extra publicity that is possible with a super bowl ad - even one that is going the affiliate route. There is nothing special about it.

Also, there isn't a particular reason to run it on the super bowl if its a generic ad we already have. All that time slot guarantees is xyz number of people are probably viewing, but you can get xyz people any other time too.

Expectations need to be raised. This needs to be a super bowl ad, or there isn't any reason to it. I suggest again, fyi, that a football turning into a blimp that explodes (not literally, but more like a bam from batman) be the final 1 second. Go out with a bang.

Or more zowie. Ignore the trolls, they take away your energy, and lower expectations even when non-obvious. Get someone to create an ad specifically for the super bowl that will be memorable and press worthy.

biles1234
01-24-2008, 01:25 AM
I disagree. I think it would be best to air a nationwide commercial, remember most Americans in all states still do not know who Ron Paul is. It would also create a huge splash in the media and really, it can only help.

When would we be able to run a superbowl ad in specific markets??

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 01:32 AM
Just wondering.... If Fox hates RP so much and there is this media blackout thing going on, who's to say they air the ads at all? They could take the money and say screw you. Is there some kind of way to verify the ads were run besides Tivo'ing all the stations?

Several stations are taking ads for other candidates. We'll get receipts and if they all have "technical difficulties" or something during the Ron Paul ads we'll get so much media coverage with the story that Fox will get ill. :D

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 01:33 AM
I disagree. I think it would be best to air a nationwide commercial, remember most Americans in all states still do not know who Ron Paul is. It would also create a huge splash in the media and really, it can only help.

When would we be able to run a superbowl ad in specific markets??


The ad time for the Superbowl is divided into two pieces, one for national ads and one for the local market to insert their ads. We would be buying time in the latter and can hit some very key targets for a fraction of the cost of a national ad.

noiseordinance
01-24-2008, 01:36 AM
I'd like to test the ads against people who are neutral or negative towards Ron Paul. We all know one or two of these people.

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 01:39 AM
I'd like to test the ads against people who are neutral or negative towards Ron Paul. We all know one or two of these people.


Sounds good. We can get a list going of contenders and you can all have mini screenings or email the links to your friends and give us a report. :-)

faisal
01-24-2008, 01:55 AM
McKarnin, I'm glad you brought up this project and to think that you could have the time for this is amazing! I have two recommendations from a serious point of view. Both of the video's I'm listing are Meant for Conservatives. Since most registration deadlines are OVER, we need to target conservative minds more than ever. THis is the same strategy the campaign used in Iowa. Instead of talking about getting out of IRaq, they talked about more current-day-conservative values in their ads. Also, these ads invoke more emotions rather than facts like the "Ron Paul is" ads did - I feel like I'm involved in the issues presented by the ads more than ever. Here are the videos by:

http://www.operationbroadcastfreedom.com/

Videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD3zHh-BaSA&eurl=http://www.operationbroadcastfreedom.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvCOA0LoMtY&eurl=http://www.operationbroadcastfreedom.com/

I also have the contact info of the producer of these films:
rjlund@gmail.com
Phone: 1-361-356-1259

I hope this helps McKarnin! Godspeed to you and all your good work!

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 02:23 AM
McKarnin, I'm glad you brought up this project and to think that you could have the time for this is amazing! I have two recommendations from a serious point of view. Both of the video's I'm listing are Meant for Conservatives. Since most registration deadlines are OVER, we need to target conservative minds more than ever. THis is the same strategy the campaign used in Iowa. Instead of talking about getting out of IRaq, they talked about more current-day-conservative values in their ads. Also, these ads invoke more emotions rather than facts like the "Ron Paul is" ads did - I feel like I'm involved in the issues presented by the ads more than ever. Here are the videos by:

http://www.operationbroadcastfreedom.com/

Videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD3zHh-BaSA&eurl=http://www.operationbroadcastfreedom.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvCOA0LoMtY&eurl=http://www.operationbroadcastfreedom.com/

I also have the contact info of the producer of these films:
rjlund@gmail.com
Phone: 1-361-356-1259

I hope this helps McKarnin! Godspeed to you and all your good work!

Faisal,

Thanks. That's helpful info. and I'll make sure everyone here thinks it through.

Katharine

devil21
01-24-2008, 03:33 AM
Call me crazy but Im starting to grow tired of blimp for profit reps soliciting money lately. Im still waiting for a real answer about how you run super bowl commercials at some time other than the super bowl. The game commercials come from Fox directly, not local stations. Anything else, while worthy(?), is not a super bowl commercial.

colecrowe
01-24-2008, 03:42 AM
Call me crazy but Im starting to grow tired of blimp for profit reps soliciting money lately. Im still waiting for a real answer about how you run super bowl commercials at some time other than the super bowl. The game commercials come from Fox directly, not local stations. Anything else, while worthy(?), is not a super bowl commercial.

THEY ALWAYS HAVE LOCAL COMMERCIALS DURING THE SUPERBOWL!

nbhadja
01-24-2008, 03:44 AM
Guys please put "never voted to raise taxes" and "never voted for an unbalanced budget" in it.

This is a big eye opener.

colecrowe
01-24-2008, 03:48 AM
I think the most amazing thing about Paul is that he doesn't get any money from Lobbyists or Corporations...only 20 million dollars from 135,000 individuals giving and average of $104 (or whatever the exact number was).

And...Ron Paul is "the most honest man in Congress." -John McCain, [YEAR]

heartless
01-24-2008, 03:50 AM
I think it's best if we stress "never voted to raise taxes" and "wants to get out of Iraq immediately", other points people will need to do a little looking into before they understand the doctor's position on them. You don't have much time on a superbowl commercial... I wonder if senior citizens watch the superbowl, if they do we should emphasize "will save social security".

devil21
01-24-2008, 03:56 AM
THEY ALWAYS HAVE LOCAL COMMERCIALS DURING THE SUPERBOWL!

I don't think some tiny station thats 3x jacking up the price for an ad during the Super Bowl is a "Super Bowl ad". 90 million people are not watching this. Maybe it's semantics and sheer risk but Fox controls what ads air just like the Union Leader controlled what ads they printed. They forgot a couple. Fox likely would/will too.

For these prices, can you blame people for being skeptical?

colecrowe
01-24-2008, 04:05 AM
I don't think some tiny station thats 3x jacking up the price for an ad during the Super Bowl is a "Super Bowl ad". 90 million people are not watching this. Maybe it's semantics and sheer risk but Fox controls what ads air just like the Union Leader controlled what ads they printed. They forgot a couple. Fox likely would/will too.

For these prices, can you blame people for being skeptical?

No. I don't know what you are trying to say--but every super bowl, DURING THE ACTUAL GAME, they have ads run by the local affiliate. Every year I have seen the podunk car dealership ads and such. How can it get anymore clear than this?

devil21
01-24-2008, 04:21 AM
No. I don't know what you are trying to say--but every super bowl, DURING THE ACTUAL GAME, they have ads run by the local affiliate. Every year I have seen the podunk car dealership ads and such. How can it get anymore clear than this?

Ok ok uncle! Yes great idea to pay big bucks to Fox to guarantee an ad run that only matters once it's paid for (after that your SOL, like the Union Leader I mentioned before) and may reach as many people as the podunk dealership people IF its aired. Or maybe it's the close relationship between the for profit blimp peeps and this plan that's bugging me? You decide.

RonRules
01-24-2008, 08:15 AM
Just wondering.... If Fox hates RP so much and there is this media blackout thing going on, who's to say they air the ads at all? They could take the money and say screw you. Is there some kind of way to verify the ads were run besides Tivo'ing all the stations?

The local stations are NOT the same as the national FOX. Look at the Los Angeles Fox excellent coverage and interviews of Ron Paul.

Chad_Underdonk
01-24-2008, 09:44 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MXSea2W1qcg

Ads work in two ways...they stand out! Which is the method of Super Bowl advertising...Or they are repetitive. Although there are some really good ads listed they may not necessarily create the breakthrough that we want if they don't have some humor.

If we had more time we could do some really creative stuff, sports metaphors work really great here in the US of A. But we've got no time to film, edit, etc.

In my humble opinion the cartoon ad would be great but would need to shotened (duh) and it needs more of Dr. Paul in it. The reason that Super Bowl ads are so effective is people talk about them the next day at work, or for awhile afterwards. If it doesn't generate an effective impression so that they will talk about it later it doesn't have the same impact.

The reason the cartoon is effective is that Joe and Jane America are not ready to put up with all this political stuff yet. They want someone else to cut through the noise and tell them what their choices are. They would identify with the cartoon ad, and might talk about it later with someone else, that is the key to making this successful. It will also be effective because people will pay more attention to a cartoon not realizing initially that it is a political statement.

The cartoon could be great, it just needs to be tweaked to send a message that will shock people into the desire to actually learn more about Dr. Paul

Brad Zink
01-24-2008, 10:37 AM
Television advertising is a required component of modern political campaigns. Combined with our precinct leaders on the ground, it will be very effective.

an.old.analyst
01-24-2008, 11:03 AM
@Katharine

Has the Blimp team or any of its affiliates hired or recruited people, other than yourself, to post messages on the Web supporting the efforts of the Blimp or this SB advertising proposal?

Some have seen quite a few posts in forums and chat rooms that on the surface, did not appear to be organic.

I await your response and detailed explanation.

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 01:02 PM
Call me crazy but Im starting to grow tired of blimp for profit reps soliciting money lately. Im still waiting for a real answer about how you run super bowl commercials at some time other than the super bowl. The game commercials come from Fox directly, not local stations. Anything else, while worthy(?), is not a super bowl commercial.


Local stations are alloted a portion of the ad time during the superbowl.

RlxdN10sity
01-24-2008, 01:50 PM
the song is copyright so.....

I think that song is old enough to be in public domain or fair use or something.

Naraku
01-24-2008, 02:26 PM
Didn't make these but maybe one of these would be good to have:

http://youtube.com/user/PROTECTMAN1138

They're kind of reverse psychology sort of things and would probably stick with people more than others.

thegr8drronpaul
01-24-2008, 02:38 PM
But frankdoggs ad doesn't speak. Do you think a text only ad is enough to capture attention?

I LOVE FrankDoggs ad (to the CCR music), but let's keep our minds open. Maybe hearing Ron speak would be more effective BUT I love FrankDogg's! (TORN!)

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 02:41 PM
I don't think some tiny station thats 3x jacking up the price for an ad during the Super Bowl is a "Super Bowl ad". 90 million people are not watching this. Maybe it's semantics and sheer risk but Fox controls what ads air just like the Union Leader controlled what ads they printed. They forgot a couple. Fox likely would/will too.

For these prices, can you blame people for being skeptical?

For what prices?

an.old.analyst
01-24-2008, 02:48 PM
@Katharine

Has the Blimp team or any of its affiliates hired or recruited people, other than yourself, to post messages on the Web supporting the efforts of the Blimp or this SB advertising proposal?

Some have seen quite a few posts in forums and chat rooms that on the surface, did not appear to be organic.

I await your response and detailed explanation.
Mckarnin, would you please address the above. Thank you.

Mark
01-24-2008, 02:56 PM
Mckarnin, would you please address the above. Thank you.

There are several disclosures of salaries, the "expenses" part is the blackhole here.

Sure, the weekly salaries were reduced from $1000 every week for the "staff", but the mystery is the "expenses". That could mean anything.

They may be getting paid MORE than $1000 every week through "expenses".

1. I'd like to see a list of "expenses", and how much has been spent on "expenses" for everyone.

2. How much on hotels? The Holiday Inn, or The Hilton?

3. Dinner at McDonald's, or an expensive restaurant?

4. How tight are the controls on "expenses". Are there any controls?

I'd like to see full disclosure on the expenses paid to the staff every week.


5. I'd also like to see a solid plan of what where when how in terms of the ads.

No one else would dare come on here and say give me $100,000 and THEN I'll tell you exactly how I'll spend it.

I mean, everyone can give ME $100,000 too. I've also got an idea to buy ads. I'll pay myself, spend on expenses for myself,

and after I get all the money THEN I'll tell you exactly where what's left is going. Deal?

thegr8drronpaul
01-24-2008, 02:58 PM
Didn't make these but maybe one of these would be good to have:

http://youtube.com/user/PROTECTMAN1138

They're kind of reverse psychology sort of things and would probably stick with people more than others.

This one is definitely pretty funny. I agree , catchy! Are we only able to select one or can multiple ads be used?

Enzo
01-24-2008, 03:02 PM
I think that song is old enough to be in public domain or fair use or something.

John Fogerty is not dead yet... and the copyright will extend 70 years past his death.

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 03:06 PM
@Katharine

Has the Blimp team or any of its affiliates hired or recruited people, other than yourself, to post messages on the Web supporting the efforts of the Blimp or this SB advertising proposal?

Some have seen quite a few posts in forums and chat rooms that on the surface, did not appear to be organic.

I await your response and detailed explanation.

The following people are consistently doing work for us (paid and unpaid):

Katharine Memole-McKarnin (me)
Trevor Lyman-Sword of Shannarah
Elijah Lynn-Elijah
Jordan Le Doux--Jordan L
Bryce Henderson--Blimp Media Coordinator
Charles M--Trazan

Bucfish does some research for us on a volunteer basis.

Other than that no one here has any interest other than personal in their communications here.

The only times I have ever sent anyone to type something is a few times I have asked Bucfish or someone in my chat at "Blimpette" (www.justin.tv/blimpette) to throw up a post on the forum saying that I am on air.


If I missed the point of your question let me know.

nascar
01-24-2008, 03:08 PM
Hi guys.

30 sec. commercial with standard massage, is just westing time and money.

You need to gave to viewers something very very very different.

Remember - where is the beef, this works, or maybe naked news.??????

trey4sports
01-24-2008, 03:44 PM
BUMP

how much money has been raised? i cant find it on the site. and have we had any progress on picking the actual commercial yet?

LibertyEagle
01-24-2008, 04:02 PM
McKarnin,

Scandinaviany3 mentioned that you might want to talk to the creator of this Youtube to see if he could put together a great 30 second ad about the economy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as3AYVzWmOI

nascar
01-24-2008, 04:11 PM
This is working.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/827544/ron_paul_girl/


Views: 349,048

Leadman584
01-24-2008, 04:29 PM
The "War_Ends" is one of the most powerful videos I have ever seen.
Ad must not have text, many folks read too slow for the message to be effective.
At the current 1:07 runtime, it is much too long.
My Non-Linear editing skills are not up to the task.
Dr. Paul must actually speak the ending, no text.
Tug at the heartstrings! This is not dishonest.

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNZgeYnpPDU

Ending more like "Thank You for Your Sacrifice........We Love You...........Now Just Come Home"

mdevour
01-24-2008, 04:36 PM
Didn't make these but maybe one of these would be good to have:

http://youtube.com/user/PROTECTMAN1138

They're kind of reverse psychology sort of things and would probably stick with people more than others.

The one with the puppets (http://youtube.com/watch?v=h4FAfgyPids), cleaned up very slightly, would be campy enough to catch people's attention and the message provocative enough to raise some eyebrows...

It's short time to do something new with high enough production values to really sparkle. Why not do hilariously LOW production values, instead? That would get you some buzz!

This one made me laugh!

Mike D.

mdevour
01-24-2008, 04:48 PM
The "War_Ends" is one of the most powerful videos I have ever seen. ...
Tug at the heartstrings! This is not dishonest.

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNZgeYnpPDU

Ending more like "Thank You for Your Sacrifice........We Love You...........Now Just Come Home"

This one made me cry! Extremely powerful ... but apparently it's from a Budweiser commercial and therefore not available for use apart from you-tube.

That said, it is exactly one of the ways we could make a really powerful ad for Dr. Paul. One issue, important, clear, and immense emotional appeal.

Mike D.

LibertyEagle
01-24-2008, 04:48 PM
mcKarnin,

1. Will the ads be run on the same channel as the SuperBowl will be on?
2. What will the overhead cost of your "advertising" company, be to we the supporters, to serve as the financial pass-thru for the super bowl ad? Please estimate dollars.
3. It is mentioned on your website that some advertising slots have already been secured. Would you please point me where we can find information on networks and time slots for these secured slots?
4. Are the "slots" that you have already secured, 30 second time slots, or 60 second time slots?

Thank you.

E. Nordstrom
01-24-2008, 04:50 PM
Once you get the superbowl logistics sorted... I registered http://www.superpaulsunday.com a couple months back... just tell me where to point it and it's yours to use.

February 3rd is the next and last mass moneybomb - http://www.libertytax08.com

For those who are non-american or are maxed out - http://www.moneybombamerica.com

Mark
01-24-2008, 05:00 PM
mcKarnin,

1. Will the ads be run on the same channel as the SuperBowl will be on?
2. What will the overhead cost of your "advertising" company, be to we the supporters, to serve as the financial pass-thru for the super bowl ad? Please estimate dollars.
3. It is mentioned on your website that some advertising slots have already been secured. Would you please point me where we can find information on networks and time slots for these secured slots?
4. Are the "slots" that you have already secured, 30 second time slots, or 60 second time slots?

Thank you.

Good luck on getting answers to hard, solid questions. Mine have been ignored since the bling started.

The ones above she's skipped twice now.

I don't see a need to pay an ad company when we have thousands upon thousands of local meetups who could do the same job for free.

ESPECIALLY since the ad company won't come clean on where all the money's going.

And people who still claim to be "volunteers" it turns out are getting paid.

There's no way to determine how much of the money is going into the company employee's pockets.

They ALL get "expenses". And we ALL know how expense accounts are "padded", and there's been absolutely NO disclosure on "expenses".

Cyclone
01-24-2008, 05:05 PM
I replied to those questions already.

I politely re-ask these questions or ask you to reprint the answers because I don't see them and I have looked 4 times now.

HOW MUCH MONEY ARE THEY TAKING FOR THEMSELVES?

I have seen several responses to the last question but they are unsatisfactory. You don't give a dollar figure. Perhaps you misunderstood. How much money is LPA taking out of the donations for this ad to pay staff, overhead, bills, expenses, etc. I may not have been clear. This includes the amount of money you are receiving from Fox as a kickback.

Is Ron Paul Rules correct? Do you really intend to use the money you get for other projects if this one falls through? If so, I would call that fraud. However, it was another member speaking for you, so I do not attribute this fraudulent statement to you. I am asking if this is true. If not, I suggest you have a little talk with RPR because those kinds of comments are very damaging to you.

Unless of course they are true - then I think people should be told the truth.

You keep saying these are super bowl ads but then also say you are looking into other times - so before money is forked over can you please respond to these questions?

Finally, you have a very long list of people that are supposedly working on this project and getting paid. It reminds me of the old joke - how many LPA associates does it take to screw in a light bulb?

You are not making this commercial, writing it, directing it, producing it, testing it on people to see how it plays, in short, you are doing nothing at all but running a contest and then asking the donors to support your staff so you can send a check to some channel?

Perhaps you think that "we are working on it" is an answer, but I am sorry it is not.

People want to know the answers to these questions before turning over any money.

arctica2
01-24-2008, 05:07 PM
I take Mckarnin's side. Thank you so much for your hard work, Mckarnin!

mdevour
01-24-2008, 05:13 PM
I politely re-ask these questions or ask you to reprint the answers because I don't see them and I have looked 4 times now.

Well, Cyclone, look again.

Katherine's post where she addresses your damn questions! (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1059820&postcount=175)

Mike D.

Cyclone
01-24-2008, 05:14 PM
Let ME answer, even though I'm not involved.

If you read the original message, you will realize that they can't publicly post when/were the ads due to other candidates reading this. So, forget about questions 2 and 3.

How much money at they taking for themselves? From what I've seen, considering the hours these guys are putting in, it is considerably LESS than minimum wage. They have put their lives on hold for this.

As far as getting your money back, consider that you are donating to a very efficient organization that will use everybody's funds the best way they can. If all the money can't be used in the Super Bowl ads, then presumably it will go to fly the airplane banners of the sister company. It makes no sense to donate with an expectation of getting money back. Go back 20 years and try that with Mother Theresa.

I'm TOTALLY fine with their new project, and please give them a little respect. For weeks people were discussing Super Bowl ads and NOBODY was taking ACTION. Let them do their work and support them. Post your negativity somewhere else.


I am not fine with them taking my money I donate for a super bowl ad and spending it on an airplane banner. I absolutely think it makes sense to expect to get your money back if the project falls through. Another member on here recently also jumped the gun with an idea for a very expensive project. He asked for and received donations for the plan before any contract was in place and before he knew if the deal could go through. It did not. However, he was a gentleman and an upstanding guy and he returned everyone's money when the project fell through even though he could have spent it on other things.

yongrel
01-24-2008, 05:22 PM
Well, Cyclone, look again.

Katherine's post where she addresses your damn questions! (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1059820&postcount=175)

Mike D.

I'm a little concerned about the "Agency commission" thingy, but everything else seems decent.

Cyclone
01-24-2008, 05:30 PM
Well, Cyclone, look again.

Katherine's post where she addresses your damn questions! (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1059820&postcount=175)

Mike D.

Thank you for pointing that out even if you did have to be rude to do it.

I will revise my post.

Mark
01-24-2008, 05:44 PM
I'm a little concerned about the "Agency commission" thingy, but everything else seems decent.

It leaves out their salary and "expense accounts".

However, as promised per the web site, we can form a committee and have full access to all of the financial records.

It does stipulate that only the committe with the highest numbers of CPA's will receive access.

However, one doesn't need to be a CPA to add up 2+2.

And even if the committee doesn't have any CPAs, it will still be the committee with the highest number of CPAs.

I have formed a committee. Others are invited to join.

As no other committees have been formed, I formally ask for full access to all company financial records.

MayTheRonBeWithYou
01-24-2008, 05:51 PM
It leaves out their salary and "expense accounts".

However, as promised per the web site, we can form a committee and have full access to all of the financial records.

It does stipulate that only the committe with the highest numbers of CPA's will receive access.

However, one doesn't need to be a CPA to add up 2+2.

And even if the committee doesn't have any CPAs, it will still be the committee with the highest number of CPAs.

I have formed a committee. Others are invited to join.

As no other committees have been formed, I formally ask for full access to all company financial records.


You should be granted access to the files.

Funny how much mistrust there is for this project. I think they brought it on themselves very early on, by trying to tack on large salaries to the blimp. Ever since then, they have been on the defense.

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 05:54 PM
John Fogerty is not dead yet... and the copyright will extend 70 years past his death.

Fogerty recently resigned with the company that owns the rights and they are a no-go. We are currently reviewing other songs/looking for professional royalty free music.

K

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 05:58 PM
BUMP

how much money has been raised? i cant find it on the site. and have we had any progress on picking the actual commercial yet?

$1415 Google (5:30pm)
$600 PayPal (3:00am today)

I'm going to go back in to check shortly.

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 05:58 PM
McKarnin,

Scandinaviany3 mentioned that you might want to talk to the creator of this Youtube to see if he could put together a great 30 second ad about the economy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as3AYVzWmOI

We have been trying to contact that individual...no luck so far.

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 06:03 PM
mcKarnin,

1. Will the ads be run on the same channel as the SuperBowl will be on?
2. What will the overhead cost of your "advertising" company, be to we the supporters, to serve as the financial pass-thru for the super bowl ad? Please estimate dollars.
3. It is mentioned on your website that some advertising slots have already been secured. Would you please point me where we can find information on networks and time slots for these secured slots?
4. Are the "slots" that you have already secured, 30 second time slots, or 60 second time slots?

Thank you.

30 second slots, Fox stations (Fox has the Super Bowl this year), the cost for us to work on this is completely taken care of by the standard agency commission that is paid from TV stations to those who book commercials, we will be posting more information shortly on the whens and wheres of our reservations.

K

Mark
01-24-2008, 06:06 PM
You should be granted access to the files.

Funny how much mistrust there is for this project. I think they brought it on themselves very early on, by trying to tack on large salaries to the blimp. Ever since then, they have been on the defense.

My first issue to investigate is where the money came from to pay salaries and expenses

since monies were collected under the stipulation that the money was going exclusively to buy advertising time, not to pay salaries and expenses.

Cyclone
01-24-2008, 06:09 PM
WILL YOU GET YOUR MONEY BACK IF THEY CANNOT FUND THE ENTIRE PROJECT?
Since this project is composed of many individual ad buys in different markets we can commit to ads and pay them $1000, $1,500, $5,000 at a time to each individual station. Some pre-game slots are as little as $500, that means that there will not be "leftover" money..except for some amount under $499 which we can throw towards other RP advertising.

WHAT CHANNEL DO THEY PLAN ON AIRING THE ADS?
All the ads will be on Fox owned Fox stations or Fox affiliate stations. We'll decide tomorrow what the benefit/downside ratio is on total disclosure of the markets we are advertising in. We will certainly be fleshing this all out with more information over the course of the next few days.

WHAT TIME DO THEY PLAN ON AIRING THE ADS?

Ideally, during the Super Bowl. Some markets no longer have Super Bowl time available, or it is VERY expensive. In those markets we may decide to take a pre-game slot or advertise during the meet the candidates special on Fox that will be running from 9am-12noon.

HOW MUCH MONEY ARE THEY TAKING FOR THEMSELVES?

The only money we'll get from this project is the standard Agency Commission that television stations pay to people who sell advertising. The rate they quote us for the ads is the exact amount you all will pay and it already includes the commission they pay.

I don't know too much about buying time for the Super bowl. So I looked it up.

Last year, when things were cheaper than they will be this year, thirty seconds of air time during the game cost $2.7 million dollars per thirty seconds. This year I read it will be three million dollars for thirty seconds. http://www.startribune.com/nation/13950051.html

What kind of ads are you buying that cost $500? You say prior to the Super Bowl - how prior?

And are you talking about Fox cable channels? Are these ads going to be run in local markets?


Look - I think the idea of an ad during the superbowl might be good. I have no idea since I am not a marketing expert and have no idea if the money is worth what you get out of it. I would love to see an excellently made sixty second commercial aired nationally during the first quarter of the superbowl. That would cost around six million dollars - if any time slots are left.

I could even get behind this project if you would just say when you are going to air these commercials, on what stations, how much money exactly are you going to make off of this (there are lots of others around here who have been working on this and I want to know why to pay you when they are doing it because they love Ron Paul and are not taking a dime.)

But please, give some specifics - I just don't see how you can run an ad on any station for five hundred bucks. Are these local stations? Are these cable stations?

I think a lot of people here are under the impression that they will be at home watching the super bowl and see these ads. I am getting the impression that will not happen. Certainly not for five hundred dollars.

Good luck to you all. I hope you can pull this off.

Are you planning on having a counter showing how much has been raised? That usually helps bring in the money. Perhaps you could have an FAQ section on your site that explains things better so you won't be bothered with the same questions over and over.

Thank you for answering those questions. I looked and looked and missed them. I do greatly apologize to you.

Cyclone
01-24-2008, 06:21 PM
It leaves out their salary and "expense accounts".

However, as promised per the web site, we can form a committee and have full access to all of the financial records.

It does stipulate that only the committe with the highest numbers of CPA's will receive access.

However, one doesn't need to be a CPA to add up 2+2.

And even if the committee doesn't have any CPAs, it will still be the committee with the highest number of CPAs.

I have formed a committee. Others are invited to join.

As no other committees have been formed, I formally ask for full access to all company financial records.

I think that is an excellent idea. I don't see any need to form any competing committees. One will do. Will you please post the information for all to see so that people can feel comfortable donating. I fear given past actions that a lot of people distrust LPA and are not comfortable giving them a ton of money when they don't know what it is for, or how much money they are taking out of this project.

I think the biggest problem people here have is that all the rest of us work 100 hours per week or as much as we can for Ron Paul and have never asked for a dime. Heck, we donate money to the campaign as well as working our butts off. So, when someone comes in, with no experience at all, just another one of us who wants to help and then expects to get a great deal of money for doing so it irks a lot of us who would do this for nothing.

I called my local Fox station to see about ad time before or after the Superbowl - I live in a Super Tuesday state. When they get back to me about rates I will let you know. I don't charge a penny to help Ron Paul.

Mark
01-24-2008, 06:32 PM
I think that is an excellent idea. I don't see any need to form any competing committees. One will do. Will you please post the information for all to see so that people can feel comfortable donating. I fear given past actions that a lot of people distrust LPA and are not comfortable giving them a ton of money when they don't know what it is for, or how much money they are taking out of this project.

I think the biggest problem people here have is that all the rest of us work 100 hours per week or as much as we can for Ron Paul and have never asked for a dime. Heck, we donate money to the campaign as well as working our butts off. So, when someone comes in, with no experience at all, just another one of us who wants to help and then expects to get a great deal of money for doing so it irks a lot of us who would do this for nothing.

I called my local Fox station to see about ad time before or after the Superbowl - I live in a Super Tuesday state. When they get back to me about rates I will let you know. I don't charge a penny to help Ron Paul.

You may have noticed that Katherine completely ignored my previous questions and also the request for access to the records.

I'm unable to post anything until I receive the records as promised by Liberty Political Advertising LLC.

At this very moment they may be planning on forming a committee of biased Blimp supporters in order to circumvent my request.

However, this is unacceptable since I have waited for several weeks for an unbiased committee to be formed, and given the lack of one
being formed up to and including this time, I claim exclusive rights for financial review of Liberty Political Advertising for my committee by default.

If they refuse to hand over the records, beside the potentially fraudulent use of monies that were intended for purchasing advertising
to pay salaries and expenses, there may also be cause for suit regarding fraudulent promises to turn over the aforementioned financial records.

trey4sports
01-24-2008, 06:38 PM
cyclone, those are nat'l ad prices. this idea is only targeting ads in feb 5 markets thats why they are cheaper

deedles
01-24-2008, 06:51 PM
This one is still my favorite.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MXSea2W1qcg

Superbowl ads are supposed to be FUN!


It also:
* focuses on the economy, which people are very concerned about right now.
* avoids talking about more controversial stances.



Mine too! Would have to be 15 secs shorter, though.

Cyclone
01-24-2008, 07:11 PM
The guy at Fox called me back. This is one local station - not national, in a Feb 5 state. He said that to run an ad during the day of the game at any time slot would run around $85,000 minimum for a thirty second commercial. But there are better rates for political advertising, that is the good news, the bad news is they are terribly over sold and we would have to pay a premium to bump any of those people so there goes the discount.


If LPA already has time slots reserved in local markets, then perhaps you all should go with them. But understand, these are not national commercials, they are just ads that will be aired in one local market - and they will not be aired during the game.

I would figure this will cost $85,000 or thereabouts to reach one city or rather one market - such as a small metropolitan city.

Lots of the other candidates are also doing this so it seems like a good idea - I trust Hillary's marketing research.

With figures that high I kind of think this is something that the campaign should be deciding, but then, well, do we trust the campaign?

But if we are going to reach a lot of people then we need to raise around a million or two. Unless you all just want to throw all your eggs into one basket and raise the 85k (or less if we can get a discount) for one market on the day of the superbowl, but not during it.

I tried Phoenix but they are booked. I thought since he did so well in NV he might do well in AZ. But they don't have one slot during the day.


McKarnin you may already know this, but the guy told me they need some kind of signed document from the campaign saying he is viable candidate in order to give the discount for political ads. He didn't know what was required if it was a grassroots effort.

Good luck. I hope someone can produce a great commercial. Remember, we are aiming for people who don't know who Ron Paul is, so KISS - keep it simple stupid.

I abhor the idea of giving money to FOX after the way they have treated Ron Paul, but I tried to get ABC to buy the Super Bowl from FOX and they said maybe next year.

I would like to know what we get for five hundred dollars because if you need to raise a minimum of 85k or 50k or even 20k for one commercial and you can't then I think the people should get their money back. Having an extra 500 lying around is one thing, but taking 30k and not airing one ad is another. Just my two cents.

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 08:55 PM
I politely re-ask these questions or ask you to reprint the answers because I don't see them and I have looked 4 times now.

HOW MUCH MONEY ARE THEY TAKING FOR THEMSELVES?

I have seen several responses to the last question but they are unsatisfactory. You don't give a dollar figure. Perhaps you misunderstood. How much money is LPA taking out of the donations for this ad to pay staff, overhead, bills, expenses, etc. I may not have been clear. This includes the amount of money you are receiving from Fox as a kickback.

Is Ron Paul Rules correct? Do you really intend to use the money you get for other projects if this one falls through? If so, I would call that fraud. However, it was another member speaking for you, so I do not attribute this fraudulent statement to you. I am asking if this is true. If not, I suggest you have a little talk with RPR because those kinds of comments are very damaging to you.

Unless of course they are true - then I think people should be told the truth.

You keep saying these are super bowl ads but then also say you are looking into other times - so before money is forked over can you please respond to these questions?

Finally, you have a very long list of people that are supposedly working on this project and getting paid. It reminds me of the old joke - how many LPA associates does it take to screw in a light bulb?

You are not making this commercial, writing it, directing it, producing it, testing it on people to see how it plays, in short, you are doing nothing at all but running a contest and then asking the donors to support your staff so you can send a check to some channel?

Perhaps you think that "we are working on it" is an answer, but I am sorry it is not.

People want to know the answers to these questions before turning over any money.

Do you have any idea how many people are on a typical ad agencies purchasing team? That is their whole job, purchasing the ads. We are also managing the money, manning the website, looking over possible commercials and brainstorming the editing they'll need, promoting the project to get money. I will try to answer questions but cannot spend this much time when you so obviously want to believe the worst. There is nothing I could say to you or do to satisfy you.

Once again, kickbacks are illegal. There is something called an "Agency Commission" that is standard that TV stations pay to those who connect them with advertisers. That's it, that's the only money we will receive for the Super Bowl Sunday ads.

I am going to have the wording changed because that is what these will be "Super Bowl Sunday Ads". We will try to get the most exposure we can with the money we receive and in some markets that means ad slots during pre-game shows or footage during the 3 hour long meet the candidates political special that morning.

There is no such thing as this project "falling through" by more than perhaps $99. There are multiple time slots and prices for advertising...some as little as $100 for an early morning Super Bowl Sunday show and going up to $225,000 for an ad during the Super Bowl in one of the most costly markets we looked into. As long as ads are available (they are going to be increasingly hard to reserve as the days pass) we can buy more and scale this project to the money that comes in.

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 09:13 PM
Good luck on getting answers to hard, solid questions. Mine have been ignored since the bling started.

The ones above she's skipped twice now.

I don't see a need to pay an ad company when we have thousands upon thousands of local meetups who could do the same job for free.

ESPECIALLY since the ad company won't come clean on where all the money's going.

And people who still claim to be "volunteers" it turns out are getting paid.

There's no way to determine how much of the money is going into the company employee's pockets.

They ALL get "expenses". And we ALL know how expense accounts are "padded", and there's been absolutely NO disclosure on "expenses".

Mark, you dominated the early blimp threads and I probably answered you at least 20-30 times when the blimp first came out and you were never satisfied and then went on to badmouth me and the blimp throughout the project. I want to spend my time on people who are interested in giving constructive criticism and listening to the answers I give.

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 09:15 PM
I take Mckarnin's side. Thank you so much for your hard work, Mckarnin!


Thank you! If anyone has Super Bowl Sunday Commercial questions they want answered or constructive criticism I'll be on Justin.tv starting at 11:15pm EST tonight.

www.justin.tv/blimpette

Cyclone
01-24-2008, 09:22 PM
Do you have any idea how many people are on a typical ad agencies purchasing team? That is their whole job, purchasing the ads. We are also managing the money, manning the website, looking over possible commercials and brainstorming the editing they'll need, promoting the project to get money. I will try to answer questions but cannot spend this much time when you so obviously want to believe the worst. There is nothing I could say to you or do to satisfy you.

Once again, kickbacks are illegal. There is something called an "Agency Commission" that is standard that TV stations pay to those who connect them with advertisers. That's it, that's the only money we will receive for the Super Bowl Sunday ads.

I am going to have the wording changed because that is what these will be "Super Bowl Sunday Ads". We will try to get the most exposure we can with the money we receive and in some markets that means ad slots during pre-game shows or footage during the 3 hour long meet the candidates political special that morning.

There is no such thing as this project "falling through" by more than perhaps $99. There are multiple time slots and prices for advertising...some as little as $100 for an early morning Super Bowl Sunday show and going up to $225,000 for an ad during the Super Bowl in one of the most costly markets we looked into. As long as ads are available (they are going to be increasingly hard to reserve as the days pass) we can buy more and scale this project to the money that comes in.

Perhaps you missed my last post. I was on your side until you just tried to tell me that for one hundred dollars you too can get an ad on TV. Come on. Give me a break. Where, on Wayne's World?

Why are you being so evasive? You talk about time slots but don't say anything specific. You pretend that you can get TV time for one hundred bucks. And you attack the semantics of the word kickback when you know and I know that "Agency commissions" are the same thing. Call it purple elephants if you like, how much money are you making off of this? Is that tens of thousands or a few hundred? How come you never answer the question? This is why I distrust you. If you were only making a few hundred I would expect that you would say so, but since you have responded to this question about five times with the same evasive answer I have to assume you are taking a large sum. Most of us here would just put that money back into the pot. Whether the money comes directly from the grassroots or indirectly, you are still making money off of the grassroots.

I have no problem with people making money, but I tend to pay people who know what they are doing. I do not think that people who have no experience in something as important as a Presidential campaign deserve to get paid. I make tens of thousands of dollars for Ron Paul. I get tons of people to donate to him. I do this because I believe in this cause, not because I want to have the folks here give me money. Is my work any less valuable than yours? Do I not deserve to get paid? Heck, we all do, but we are not because we are doing something that we believe in.

The more evasive your responses the less I trust you. I had finally gotten to the point where I was behind you and then you pull this kind of stuff. You have lost me permanently.

You want to argue ok, let's argue.

You write: Do you have any idea how many people are on a typical ad agencies purchasing team?

Yes, I do, and you are not an ad agency. Remember? You people have no experience at all doing this, you originally set up the "ad agency" so you could get around campaign finance laws, then after you had collected money for the blimp project you then notified people that you were taking a huge chunk of grassroots money for yourselves. Did you start to believe your own scam?

You stated in an earlier post on this thread that you had a little time to kill and so you all decided to set this up, now you are implying that you have a full staff working night and day to get this ad time. Give me a break! And we all heard about this when? Two days ago? So, if I follow what you are trying to sell right now, you have been working with a full team, purchasing ad time for one TV slot, and now you are asking for people to make the ad for you? That is a little backwards.

What other huge jobs are you doing? manning the website.

You are not the only ones here who are manning a website. No one else is expecting payment for it.

What else? You are looking over possible commercials and brainstorming the editing they'll need. So are all the rest of us and many of us out here have a lot more experience than you folks. In fact, with your lack of any marketing experience at all in your team and your definite lack of knowing what will work for a Presidential campaign, I would prefer if you would leave that part of the project to the folks out here who do have experience, because some people do. Just because you called yourself an ad agency doesn't mean you are one.

And then, you are promoting the project to get money.

Well, so am I. I am promoting Ron Paul to get HIM money and I can promise you I and many others are working a hell of lot harder to get HIM money rather than ourselves. You were the ones who took over the MLK money bomb and you did little to promote it and to help Ron Paul, but you are big when it comes to getting money for yourselves.

Knightskye
01-24-2008, 09:23 PM
Bump!
I like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nspIIsSH2w8&feature=PlayList&p=109B0FE05B03BA46&index=13

Doesn't say "vote" or "for president", mentions the official website, has the issues Dr. Paul stands for.

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 09:24 PM
You should be granted access to the files.

Funny how much mistrust there is for this project. I think they brought it on themselves very early on, by trying to tack on large salaries to the blimp. Ever since then, they have been on the defense.


Just so you know...I am the one who pushed for all of the disclosure and transparency documents on the blimp even though our lawyer advised us that it would be a very abnormal way for a company to operate. I wanted to keep things as close to a grassroots project as they could be considering the fact that we had to go into business to launch the blimp legally and not have it count towards campaign contribution limits.

It is hard to decide in retrospect if those disclosures are a big part of the reason why the blimp project was successful or if they just gave unhappy members of the grassroots an excuse to shred all of us and throw mud on our reputations for a couple months.

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 09:25 PM
It leaves out their salary and "expense accounts".

However, as promised per the web site, we can form a committee and have full access to all of the financial records.

It does stipulate that only the committe with the highest numbers of CPA's will receive access.

However, one doesn't need to be a CPA to add up 2+2.

And even if the committee doesn't have any CPAs, it will still be the committee with the highest number of CPAs.

I have formed a committee. Others are invited to join.

As no other committees have been formed, I formally ask for full access to all company financial records.

Sorry, one individual does not a committee make. I will look over our records to see exactly what we stipulated.

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 09:27 PM
My first issue to investigate is where the money came from to pay salaries and expenses

since monies were collected under the stipulation that the money was going exclusively to buy advertising time, not to pay salaries and expenses.

What are you talking about? We made it very clear that a portion of the monthly cost of the blimp would go to pay wages to the key workers.

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 09:29 PM
I don't know too much about buying time for the Super bowl. So I looked it up.

Last year, when things were cheaper than they will be this year, thirty seconds of air time during the game cost $2.7 million dollars per thirty seconds. This year I read it will be three million dollars for thirty seconds. http://www.startribune.com/nation/13950051.html

What kind of ads are you buying that cost $500? You say prior to the Super Bowl - how prior?

And are you talking about Fox cable channels? Are these ads going to be run in local markets?


Look - I think the idea of an ad during the superbowl might be good. I have no idea since I am not a marketing expert and have no idea if the money is worth what you get out of it. I would love to see an excellently made sixty second commercial aired nationally during the first quarter of the superbowl. That would cost around six million dollars - if any time slots are left.

I could even get behind this project if you would just say when you are going to air these commercials, on what stations, how much money exactly are you going to make off of this (there are lots of others around here who have been working on this and I want to know why to pay you when they are doing it because they love Ron Paul and are not taking a dime.)

But please, give some specifics - I just don't see how you can run an ad on any station for five hundred bucks. Are these local stations? Are these cable stations?

I think a lot of people here are under the impression that they will be at home watching the super bowl and see these ads. I am getting the impression that will not happen. Certainly not for five hundred dollars.

Good luck to you all. I hope you can pull this off.

Are you planning on having a counter showing how much has been raised? That usually helps bring in the money. Perhaps you could have an FAQ section on your site that explains things better so you won't be bothered with the same questions over and over.

Thank you for answering those questions. I looked and looked and missed them. I do greatly apologize to you.

I'm sorry if I have been snappy. I have been working inhumane hours for 2 months and have to defend myself at every turn.

These are local ads and we had a conference today and I have submitted an order for time reservations I put in this afternoon to the website. About 10 more reservation's information will go up in a couple hours.

I'll be on justin.tv/blimpette tonight at 11:15 and would be happy to answer your questions in person then.

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 09:32 PM
I think that is an excellent idea. I don't see any need to form any competing committees. One will do. Will you please post the information for all to see so that people can feel comfortable donating. I fear given past actions that a lot of people distrust LPA and are not comfortable giving them a ton of money when they don't know what it is for, or how much money they are taking out of this project.

I think the biggest problem people here have is that all the rest of us work 100 hours per week or as much as we can for Ron Paul and have never asked for a dime. Heck, we donate money to the campaign as well as working our butts off. So, when someone comes in, with no experience at all, just another one of us who wants to help and then expects to get a great deal of money for doing so it irks a lot of us who would do this for nothing.

I called my local Fox station to see about ad time before or after the Superbowl - I live in a Super Tuesday state. When they get back to me about rates I will let you know. I don't charge a penny to help Ron Paul.


How do those of you who work 100 hours a week for Ron Paul live? Are you independently wealthy? Do you live with family? Are you staying with other Ron Paul supporters? I have children and a family, when I cut down on my other work from home I have to make some money or the bills don't get paid.

Thank you for booking an ad. Now set up an account to take the money for it, figure out the legalities of collecting said money and get it to the station in time. :-) Let us know what market it's in so we don't overlap.

trey4sports
01-24-2008, 09:33 PM
hi karen,

i would reccommend promoting RP superbowl ads as much as possible, im sure you know that as well. Social Networking sites would be great as well. I dont know the legality of this since its a for profit venture but im guessing that would mean you can advertise this anywhere as long as its not implied to be dealing with a presidential candidate.

just wanted to give you my thoughts on helping out this venture. thanks

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 09:34 PM
The guy at Fox called me back. This is one local station - not national, in a Feb 5 state. He said that to run an ad during the day of the game at any time slot would run around $85,000 minimum for a thirty second commercial. But there are better rates for political advertising, that is the good news, the bad news is they are terribly over sold and we would have to pay a premium to bump any of those people so there goes the discount.


If LPA already has time slots reserved in local markets, then perhaps you all should go with them. But understand, these are not national commercials, they are just ads that will be aired in one local market - and they will not be aired during the game.

I would figure this will cost $85,000 or thereabouts to reach one city or rather one market - such as a small metropolitan city.

Lots of the other candidates are also doing this so it seems like a good idea - I trust Hillary's marketing research.

With figures that high I kind of think this is something that the campaign should be deciding, but then, well, do we trust the campaign?

But if we are going to reach a lot of people then we need to raise around a million or two. Unless you all just want to throw all your eggs into one basket and raise the 85k (or less if we can get a discount) for one market on the day of the superbowl, but not during it.

I tried Phoenix but they are booked. I thought since he did so well in NV he might do well in AZ. But they don't have one slot during the day.


McKarnin you may already know this, but the guy told me they need some kind of signed document from the campaign saying he is viable candidate in order to give the discount for political ads. He didn't know what was required if it was a grassroots effort.

Good luck. I hope someone can produce a great commercial. Remember, we are aiming for people who don't know who Ron Paul is, so KISS - keep it simple stupid.

I abhor the idea of giving money to FOX after the way they have treated Ron Paul, but I tried to get ABC to buy the Super Bowl from FOX and they said maybe next year.

I would like to know what we get for five hundred dollars because if you need to raise a minimum of 85k or 50k or even 20k for one commercial and you can't then I think the people should get their money back. Having an extra 500 lying around is one thing, but taking 30k and not airing one ad is another. Just my two cents.

We are not getting the political discount because we are legally an "issues group" since we are not affiliated with the official Ron Paul Campaign. Not sure what market you are in but my quote from Fox corporate shows plenty of slots that are under $2,000 on Super Bowl Sunday and I just reserved several.

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 09:37 PM
Perhaps you missed my last post. I was on your side until you just tried to tell me that for one hundred dollars you too can get an ad on TV. Come on. Give me a break. Where, on Wayne's World?

Why are you being so evasive? You talk about time slots but don't say anything specific. You pretend that you can get TV time for one hundred bucks. And you attack the semantics of the word kickback when you know and I know that "Agency commissions" are the same thing. Call it purple elephants if you like, how much money are you making off of this? Is that tens of thousands or a few hundred? How come you never answer the question? This is why I distrust you. If you were only making a few hundred I would expect that you would say so, but since you have responded to this question about five times with the same evasive answer I have to assume you are taking a large sum. Most of us here would just put that money back into the pot. Whether the money comes directly from the grassroots or indirectly, you are still making money off of the grassroots.

I have no problem with people making money, but I tend to pay people who know what they are doing. I do not think that people who have no experience in something as important as a Presidential campaign deserve to get paid. I make tens of thousands of dollars for Ron Paul. I get tons of people to donate to him. I do this because I believe in this cause, not because I want to have the folks here give me money. Is my work any less valuable than yours? Do I not deserve to get paid? Heck, we all do, but we are not because we are doing something that we believe in.

The more evasive your responses the less I trust you. I had finally gotten to the point where I was behind you and then you pull this kind of stuff. You have lost me permanently.

You want to argue ok, let's argue.

You write: Do you have any idea how many people are on a typical ad agencies purchasing team?

Yes, I do, and you are not an ad agency. Remember? You people have no experience at all doing this, you originally set up the "ad agency" so you could get around campaign finance laws, then after you had collected money for the blimp project you then notified people that you were taking a huge chunk of grassroots money for yourselves. Did you start to believe your own scam?

You stated in an earlier post on this thread that you had a little time to kill and so you all decided to set this up, now you are implying that you have a full staff working night and day to get this ad time. Give me a break! And we all heard about this when? Two days ago? So, if I follow what you are trying to sell right now, you have been working with a full team, purchasing ad time for one TV slot, and now you are asking for people to make the ad for you? That is a little backwards.

What other huge jobs are you doing? manning the website.

You are not the only ones here who are manning a website. No one else is expecting payment for it.

What else? You are looking over possible commercials and brainstorming the editing they'll need. So are all the rest of us and many of us out here have a lot more experience than you folks. In fact, with your lack of any marketing experience at all in your team and your definite lack of knowing what will work for a Presidential campaign, I would prefer if you would leave that part of the project to the folks out here who do have experience, because some people do. Just because you called yourself an ad agency doesn't mean you are one.

And then, you are promoting the project to get money.

Well, so am I. I am promoting Ron Paul to get HIM money and I can promise you I and many others are working a hell of lot harder to get HIM money rather than ourselves. You were the ones who took over the MLK money bomb and you did little to promote it and to help Ron Paul, but you are big when it comes to getting money for yourselves.

This is the cheapest slot...it is under $200
7-8a Fox Chicago Super Sunday Super Tuesday

Mckarnin
01-24-2008, 09:38 PM
hi karen,

i would reccommend promoting RP superbowl ads as much as possible, im sure you know that as well. Social Networking sites would be great as well. I dont know the legality of this since its a for profit venture but im guessing that would mean you can advertise this anywhere as long as its not implied to be dealing with a presidential candidate.

just wanted to give you my thoughts on helping out this venture. thanks

Thank you.

Mark
01-24-2008, 09:56 PM
Mark, you dominated the early blimp threads and I probably answered you at least 20-30 times when the blimp first came out and you were never satisfied and then went on to badmouth me and the blimp throughout the project. I want to spend my time on people who are interested in giving constructive criticism and listening to the answers I give.

That is completely untrue. I asked REAL questions and I was constantly attacked.

You barely addressed me at all. I had to repeat the questions like I have here because you ignore questions that get at the heart of things.

I didn't badmouth you at all. I DID ask you why you constantly IGNORED my real questions like you have again.

I ask questions that get at the heart of things.

I wasn't about to let strangers come in and rip people off with $1000 a week salaries PLUS expenses.

And saying things like NO REFUNDS no matter what.

You were planning on taking peoples money and saying you wouldn't give it back even if you did NOTHING of what you were promising.

That is completely unacceptable whether anyone likes it or not.

My questions helped you bring money in because it made things more reasonable instead of looking like a scam.

Mark
01-24-2008, 10:05 PM
Sorry, one individual does not a committee make. I will look over our records to see exactly what we stipulated.

That is completely incorrect.

The definition of "committee" is as follows:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/committee

com·mit·tee –noun

1. a person or group of persons elected or appointed to perform some service or function,
as to investigate, report on, or act upon a particular matter.

3. Law. an individual to whom the care of a person or a person's estate is committed.

.

As you can see, a committee CAN be comprised of a single individual by definition.

And I am NOT precluding additional members. Others are welcome.

However, the committee Liberty Political Advertising LLC has asked for IS formed.

We request formally AGAIN the financial records you have promised to supply.

.

And you don't have to look over records to see what you stipulated, it's been on the website for weeks.

You asked the grassroots to form a committee.

The grassroots has formed a committee.

You indicated that the committee with the highest number of CPAs would be given access to all of your records.

The formed grassroots committee with the highest number of CPAs has requested all of your records.


Either comply or risk having this matter being handled by the Courts.

basejumper
01-25-2008, 01:30 AM
Either comply or risk having this matter being handled by the Courts.


Come on man... a lawsuit?? That's not being very spiritual, is it?