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Red Dingo
01-22-2008, 05:39 PM
Please make this a sticky for us non-American citizens.

We non-American citizens are an untapped financial resource. We want to chip in. I want to give at least a few hundred dollars. I want it to go towards newspaper adds, radio adds, even t.v. adds with GRASSROOTS created adds, fliers etc (check out this person's fliers!! http://www.dailypaul.com/node/28366)

Everyday there is a new thread about an individual wanting to donate. WE NEED A STICKY about this because there are thousands of us wishing you on - wishing we were there walking the streets with you.

But we need the ABSOLUTE legal position on this (can we or can't we) and we need to hear it from people in the know on this issue - who can tell us with authority if we can donate (not to the campaign but to grassroots chipins).

Please don't post if you 'think' you know or are uncertain. This is too important.
Imagine that there are 1000 of us who want to give 100 dollars. That's 100000 dollars for adds! And I'm sure there are more of us, some who will give more.

Geronimo
01-22-2008, 07:37 PM
Bump

anonymous5
01-22-2008, 07:40 PM
I think you can donate to the blimp, indirectly helping the cause:
http://www.ronpaulblimp.com/

can anyone confirm the legality of this?

pinkmandy
01-22-2008, 07:41 PM
You can do whatever you want if it isn't associated with the official campaign in any way. Give all the money you want to the grassroots efforts!!!!

billyjoeallen
01-22-2008, 07:41 PM
Sorry, amigos. You can't help us financially.

If our fellow countrymen discovered you were trying to sway our process, the blowback would hurt Dr. Paul. It's an issue of sovereignty.

Thank you for the moral support. You can help by keeping up pressure on the U.S. and foreign media to report accurately.

Crickett
01-22-2008, 07:42 PM
Well? Someone answer this guy..I am sure they could advertise for the BLIMP, as that is just a business, so, not being a PAC nor the campaign, that place to throw dollars would be FINE. I do not know about anything else, but someone should sure answer. This is the third post of this type I have read in the past 2 days. SOMEONE HELP!!!!

Crickett
01-22-2008, 07:42 PM
Sorry, amigos. You can't help us financially.

If our fellow countrymen discovered you were trying to sway our process, the blowback would hurt Dr. Paul. It's an issue of sovereignty.

Thank you for the moral support. You can help by keeping up pressure on the U.S. and foreign media to report accurately.

BS, sorry..the blimp is FINE..

jacross
01-22-2008, 07:44 PM
Sorry, amigos. You can't help us financially.

If our fellow countrymen discovered you were trying to sway our process, the blowback would hurt Dr. Paul. It's an issue of sovereignty.

Thank you for the moral support. You can help by keeping up pressure on the U.S. and foreign media to report accurately.

I bez in ur country, tryn to rig ur election.

HenryKnoxFineBooks
01-22-2008, 07:44 PM
I'm almost 100% sure that they cant donate to RP or any PACs.


BUT< they could buy from the EBAY people, who are advertising that the proceeds from the sale are going to Ron Paul.

Benaiah
01-22-2008, 07:45 PM
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Trigonx
01-22-2008, 07:46 PM
you gotta be a US citizen to donate to the blimp as well i believe.

szczebrzeszyn
01-22-2008, 07:46 PM
BS, sorry..the blimp is FINE..

NO, IT'S NOT - ask the blimp crew

ninepointfive
01-22-2008, 07:49 PM
I'm almost 100% sure that they cant donate to RP or any PACs.


BUT< they could buy from the EBAY people, who are advertising that the proceeds from the sale are going to Ron Paul.

Yeah, find a way to <u>legally</u> launder this money so it is clean for the campaign, or third party chip-in's!

:D:cool:

Crickett
01-22-2008, 07:50 PM
you gotta be a US citizen to donate to the blimp as well i believe.

You need to know for sure if you say this, and I am sure it is not true, because anyone can give money to an american small business..I run a motel and tourists from other countries can stay here freely. If they wanted to buy advertising in the paper or on a blimp they ave a perfect right to do that too.

JeNNiF00F00
01-22-2008, 07:54 PM
for some reason I want to say no you are not allowed to donate.

http://www.fec.gov/ans/answers_general.shtml

Can non-US citizens contribute?

Foreign nationals are prohibited from making any contributions or expenditures in connection with any election in the U.S. Please note, however, that "green card" holders (i.e., individuals lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the U.S.) are not considered foreign nationals and, as a result, may contribute. For additional information, consult our "Foreign Nationals" brochure.

szczebrzeszyn
01-22-2008, 07:54 PM
You need to know for sure if you say this, and I am sure it is not true.

BS, sir. Maybe you should go to http://ronpaulblimp.com and ask yourself what does a checkbox "I am a U.S.individual." stands for.

EDIT: By the way, this issue has been addressed a hundred times already and for hundred times blimp crew responded, that they accepted money only from U.S. individuals, hence the checkbox on their page.

Time for Change
01-22-2008, 07:59 PM
Are you guys going to let yourselves get baited that easily?

DO NOTHING with people from foreign lands to fund the RP Revolution.
You will cause irreparable damage.

No offense meant toward our overseas supporters, we just cannot take a chance of undermining all this hard work!

Proton
01-22-2008, 08:10 PM
Another non-US citizen here (Canadian). It is really frustrating that I can't help beyond spamming internet polls and educating people on other forums.

I keep thinking of this quote from RP
“Let it not be said that we did nothing.”
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfUDFDn7c5c

I can understand that their could be blowback if it looked like RP was being funded by 'foreign interests', but we still live in a relatively free market, there must be something....

The eBay idea sounded good, (supporting supporters), but how do you know if they are just scammers jumping on the RP bandwagon (like the owner of ronpaul.com)?

szczebrzeszyn
01-22-2008, 08:17 PM
DO NOTHING with people from foreign lands to fund the RP Revolution.
You will cause irreparable damage.

As a non-US citizen I totally agree with you. And to guys that want to send money to finance other country elections (directly or not) - would you be happy if a powerful foreign group e.g. some Russians financed a candidate/party in your country? I'm sure I wouldn't..

Crickett
01-22-2008, 08:53 PM
As a non-US citizen I totally agree with you. And to guys that want to send money to finance other country elections (directly or not) - would you be happy if a powerful foreign group e.g. some Russians financed a candidate/party in your country? I'm sure I wouldn't..

Well, that is probably true, but on justinTV right now the head of the money thing is talking. I am not signed up or I would ask her, but I did ask her in another thread. She did just say they were NOT a pac, and just a business..so, I do not know, but I do know that anyone can buy advertising from a regular business..she is on there right now if you want to go sign up and ask her..

Crickett
01-22-2008, 08:58 PM
got this answer in my other thread,,it does surprise me, but....


Quote:
Originally Posted by Crickett View Post
I can not get on JustinTV because of the information they will give to third parties. So can you PLEASE answer this question because there is a big argument going on. Can a NON US citizen buy advertising on the blimp? I see no reason why they can't, and they WANT to, and everyone is arguing this with me.l..there is another thread on this re:NON american..please let me or n\him know for SURE.
Thanks
It's a question that our legal team has been passing back and forth. The answer is complicated...on the blimp the only thing that foreigners can contribute to is our legal team, not the blimp. There are other projects that we are thinking about in future that anyone can fund. I will try to keep you updated.

So there you are. Please see the thread that says blimpette will be on justintv tonight..you can pm the guy to discuss furher...

szczebrzeszyn
01-22-2008, 09:03 PM
Well, that is probably true, but on justinTV right now the head of the money thing is talking. I am not signed up or I would ask her, but I did ask her in another thread. She did just say they were NOT a pac, and just a business..so, I do not know, but I do know that anyone can buy advertising from a regular business..she is on there right now if you want to go sign up and ask her..

No, she did answer your question and said YOU CANNOT sponsor the blimp, if you're a foreigner. Why not quote her?

The answer is complicated...on the blimp the only thing that foreigners can contribute to is our legal team, not the blimp.

But if you know better than her and the whole legal team of the LPA, then I have no other questions.

jacross
01-26-2008, 09:23 AM
As a non-US citizen I totally agree with you. And to guys that want to send money to finance other country elections (directly or not) - would you be happy if a powerful foreign group e.g. some Russians financed a candidate/party in your country? I'm sure I wouldn't..

While I cannot make a definitive statement, hypothetically and completely generally, no I probably wouldn't be happy about it.

However that does not change the fact that I absolutely and without hesitation believe that it should not be illegal.

WilliamC
01-26-2008, 09:26 AM
Just buy Ron Paul campaign material from non-campaign sources and have it shipped to meetup group leaders.

www.ronpaulstickers.com

nc4rp
01-26-2008, 09:35 AM
You can buy Mr Schiffs book in support of him becoming Pauls economic advisor: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=101935

theres alot of local groups around the country sponsoring advertisements etc that you can chip-in funds for also. There's LOTS of these that NEED funding for local efforts.

Jim_Karr
01-26-2008, 09:37 AM
Please make this a sticky for us non-American citizens.

We non-American citizens are an untapped financial resource. We want to chip in. I want to give at least a few hundred dollars. I want it to go towards newspaper adds, radio adds, even t.v. adds with GRASSROOTS created adds, fliers etc (check out this person's fliers!! http://www.dailypaul.com/node/28366)

Everyday there is a new thread about an individual wanting to donate. WE NEED A STICKY about this because there are thousands of us wishing you on - wishing we were there walking the streets with you.

But we need the ABSOLUTE legal position on this (can we or can't we) and we need to hear it from people in the know on this issue - who can tell us with authority if we can donate (not to the campaign but to grassroots chipins).

Please don't post if you 'think' you know or are uncertain. This is too important.
Imagine that there are 1000 of us who want to give 100 dollars. That's 100000 dollars for adds! And I'm sure there are more of us, some who will give more.

Get an American penpal.

WilliamC
01-26-2008, 09:40 AM
Adopt a meetup group. Contact their organizer. Order campaign material and have it shipped directly to him/her.

RonPaulalways
01-26-2008, 10:24 AM
You can advertise online as that is outside the jurisdiction of the US government.

Joe3113
01-26-2008, 10:37 AM
As an international I can honestly say I did not donate at least 400 dollars to various chip-ins located http://ronpaulgraphs.com/chipin.html . I would never donate to the chip-ins here http://ronpaulgraphs.com/chipin.html because it is not legal. Everybody knows its not legal so DON'T DO IT.

Don't do what you ask? Don't donate here http://ronpaulgraphs.com/chipin.html . Even though it is technically possible for internationals to donate hundreds of dollars here http://ronpaulgraphs.com/chipin.html , I would not do it because it is illegal.

I repeat, I did not donate 400 dollars to various chip-ins located here http://ronpaulgraphs.com/chipin.html . Please respect the law internationals!! We don't want our friends in the US getting in trouble.

How will they get in trouble you ask? They will get in trouble if internationals donate here http://ronpaulgraphs.com/chipin.html which they technically can do. So just don't do it. Don't donate 100 bucks to Operation Call4Paul. Don't donate 100 bucks to Florida canvassing etc... JUST DONT DO IT !!!

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thefred
01-26-2008, 10:56 AM
find a ron paul supporter, give him some cash and he donates wherever he wants.

nobody gonna tell you off either if you put a ron paul sign or go canvassing.

what happens in the us will affect tomorrow the whole world so your concern can be understood.