I need to convince my dad, who was a Fred Thompson supporter

[AggieforPaul]

I think I may actually have a fighting chance. He liked Fred Thompson because Fred was pro life, pro gun, fiscally conservative, and anti amnesty. (and Southern I suspect) None of the other candidates left besides Ron paul fit that bill. Unfortunately, my dad is also hopelessly pro-war. He had harsh words for Paul back in May, but seems to be less harsh now (I dont know if its because he's found some common ground or if its just to appease me). His brother in law just got finished serving in Iraq, and I have to choose my words carefully and always preface things with "I have the greatest respect imaginable for the men and women in uniform, but..." so that they don't try and confuse my anti war stance with an anti troops stance.

I'm afraid he'll go for McCain now, but I'm going to try again anyway. It seems so weird that conservatives used to hate McCain and call him a RINO, but now they're anointing him. My second guess would be Huckabee, although I know he's against Huckabee's pro illegal immigration, pro taxation stances. We share a disdain for Rudy, so I think I'm safe there.

[AlbemarleNC0003]

It is impossible to be fiscally conservative and support the war in Iraq. Impossible.

www.ronpauliswrong.com

[Trigonx]

i'd stress the economy

[AggieforPaul]

It is impossible to be fiscally conservative and support the war in Iraq. Impossible.

www.ronpauliswrong.com

Well true, but he's bought into the "No government at home, but ton abroad!" mantra of the neo-conservatives. In any case, he wouldn't approve of Huckabee's high spending and high taxing.

[dsentell]

How much more pro illegal immigration can you get than McCain? Has everyone forgotten the amnesty bill that he co-sponsored last year? Be sure to remind you dad of that. . . .

[TSOL]

Just tell him Ron Paul is like Fred

Minus the War and Lobbyist

[thomaspaine23]

I think I may actually have a fighting chance. He liked Fred Thompson because Fred was pro life, pro gun, fiscally conservative, and anti amnesty. (and Southern I suspect) None of the other candidates left besides Ron paul fit that bill. Unfortunately, my dad is also hopelessly pro-war. He had harsh words for Paul back in May, but seems to be less harsh now (I dont know if its because he's found some common ground or if its just to appease me). His brother in law just got finished serving in Iraq, and I have to choose my words carefully and always preface things with "I have the greatest respect imaginable for the men and women in uniform, but..." so that they don't try and confuse my anti war stance with an anti troops stance.

I'm afraid he'll go for McCain now, but I'm going to try again anyway. It seems so weird that conservatives used to hate McCain and call him a RINO, but now they're anointing him. My second guess would be Huckabee, although I know he's against Huckabee's pro illegal immigration, pro taxation stances. We share a disdain for Rudy, so I think I'm safe there.




Simple, ask him how reagan beat the soviets -> hint we bankrupted them.
now point out we are 53 TRILLION in debt (170k + per person in the US)
and that noone but Paul is talking honestly about this.

What will Iraq matter if the country goes bankrupt????

glenn beck & comptroller talking about debt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-16u9x3tfE

[AggieforPaul]

My dad reminds me of Glenn Beck in terms of policy position. The talks we've had on wasteful government spending and stupid taxes have taught me a lot and reinforced my support of Dr. Paul, but he can't seem to divorce himself from this war.

[jnpg]

I have asked my family to think about what we are truly trying to accomplish over there. If Iraq were trying to win a democracy on their own and asked us to come over and help- that would be one thing- but trying to go over there and cram it down their throats?

What is the goal? Does it help the U.S. to be over there? How would we feel if another country with a completely different culture came to the U.S. to help us fix our 'problems'. We have enough of our own and it's time the U.S. MYOB.

Let us know how it goes. Everyone else with a Fredhead - work on them- the economy is going to hell in a handbasket. People are starting to see this. RP is the only one with a clue.

[sratiug]

I think I may actually have a fighting chance. He liked Fred Thompson because Fred was pro life, pro gun, fiscally conservative, and anti amnesty. (and Southern I suspect) None of the other candidates left besides Ron paul fit that bill. Unfortunately, my dad is also hopelessly pro-war. He had harsh words for Paul back in May, but seems to be less harsh now (I dont know if its because he's found some common ground or if its just to appease me). His brother in law just got finished serving in Iraq, and I have to choose my words carefully and always preface things with "I have the greatest respect imaginable for the men and women in uniform, but..." so that they don't try and confuse my anti war stance with an anti troops stance.

I'm afraid he'll go for McCain now, but I'm going to try again anyway. It seems so weird that conservatives used to hate McCain and call him a RINO, but now they're anointing him. My second guess would be Huckabee, although I know he's against Huckabee's pro illegal immigration, pro taxation stances. We share a disdain for Rudy, so I think I'm safe there.

The 3 reasons in the constitution that the state militias (National Guard) may be called into service are to repel invasion, suppress insurrection and enforce the law. The only way our guard should be in the middle east is if they were in Saudi Arabia where the 9/11 attack came from.

[LandonCook]

I think I may actually have a fighting chance. He liked Fred Thompson because Fred was pro life, pro gun, fiscally conservative, and anti amnesty. (and Southern I suspect) None of the other candidates left besides Ron paul fit that bill. Unfortunately, my dad is also hopelessly pro-war. He had harsh words for Paul back in May, but seems to be less harsh now (I dont know if its because he's found some common ground or if its just to appease me). His brother in law just got finished serving in Iraq, and I have to choose my words carefully and always preface things with "I have the greatest respect imaginable for the men and women in uniform, but..." so that they don't try and confuse my anti war stance with an anti troops stance.

I'm afraid he'll go for McCain now, but I'm going to try again anyway. It seems so weird that conservatives used to hate McCain and call him a RINO, but now they're anointing him. My second guess would be Huckabee, although I know he's against Huckabee's pro illegal immigration, pro taxation stances. We share a disdain for Rudy, so I think I'm safe there.

Talk about McCains pro-abortion stance, and tell him it is impossable for a pro-war canidate to beat hillary when 75% of the nation wants us out of the war... and if that doesn't work. Show him my Anti-neocon collection>>> http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=6A4E0C31614283DC

[AlbemarleNC0003]

My dad reminds me of Glenn Beck in terms of policy position. The talks we've had on wasteful government spending and stupid taxes have taught me a lot and reinforced my support of Dr. Paul, but he can't seem to divorce himself from this war.

http://www.millercenter.virginia.edu/scripps/digitalarchive/speeches/spe_1964_1027_reagan

Go download the mp3 and burn him a cd. Put it in his vehicle and break the player. Make sure to stick it on repeat.

[jsgolfman]

I'm working on convincing a co-worker that was a Fredhead as well. I am using the economy as a starter, but only because I asked him what three things drew him to Fred and that was his top one.

[Give me liberty]

Well McCain is not fit to be president

Heres why, McCain called for a bill that would let all us forces fight in serbia and as McCain
Pointed out Cream them out.


Lest you’ve forgotten, it was McCain who, speaking on public television during the first month of the war, urged Clinton and NATO to bomb the Belgrade bridges, and kill the local residents who were guarding them with nothing but their lives (see “Senator McCain, Clinton's Pal and NATO War Hawk, Is No Hero,” S99-51, Day 31, Update 1, Item 4, Apr. 23, 1999). And it was McCain who tried and failed to push through the U.S. Senate a resolution that would have authorized Clinton to use ground troops against Serbia.


one rhetorical bombing run after another, McCain has bellowed for "lights out in Belgrade" and for NATO to "cream" the Serbs. At the start of May he began declaiming in the US senate for the NATO forces to use "any means necessary" to destroy Serbia.

How can you let this candidate be your president?


A future president cannot behave like McCain like McCain said that above

maybe this will change your dads view of McCain

Cream Them!"
The Horrors of
Senator John McCain

http://www.counterpunch.org/mccain.html

[ronpaulyourmom]

http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press2008/pr011108.htm

Regarding the war, always helps to mention that Ron Paul served and that he's received more donations from active duty military than any other candidate, despite being 2nd tier. You should also mention that Obama is the #2 receipient of military donations. Bottom line is that the men and women over there have come to the conclusion, based upon everything they've seen with their own eyes, that it's time to come home. They've chosen to back the anti-war candidates with their own money. They're trying to tell us something and we're not listening.

You should mention that Ron Paul voted for going after Osama in Afghanistan.

[angrydragon]

Tell him Dr. Paul has 3 times (200 for McCain to 620 for Dr. Paul) the endorsements from veterans than McCain.

Dr. Paul is also the strongest supporter of veterans and POWs.

Reagan on Dr. Paul...

“Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country.”

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/veterans/

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/veterans/

Why We Fight...
Good documentary if he'll watch.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3405669348838274375

[Jesubub]

Tell your dad that 'Days of Thunder' is Ron Paul's favorite movie.

[mysticgeek]

tell him to listen to the message ... actually LISTEN to it. If he cannot agree with the message he is a socialist

[hillertexas]

An Open Letter to Fred Thompson Supporters

In a Republican party where everybody seems to have divergent opinions, it is sometimes hard to stand back and appreciate the similarities, not only between the candidates, but between a candidate and his party's platform. For many Republicans, and most true conservatives, this cycle has been a dissapointing, if not alarming one. It comes on the heels of two terms of expansionist foreign adventurism, deficit spending, wasteful government programs, gross federal mismanagement, and repeated scandal. That the very nature of conservatism has become a prime issue to Republicans is indicative of the fractures in the party and its electorate.

If you take away the names and the (R)'s and the rhetoric and look, side-by-side at the records of the Republican candidates, some trends become apparent. The majority of Republicans seeking nomination do not set any sort of conservative standard in their projects or voting record. Some could even be classified objectively as liberal! Mass amnesty for illegal immigrants? No Child Left Behind? Raising taxes 47 percent? One called Barry Goldwater an "incompetent, confused, and sometimes idiotic man." The list goes on, but the party will not, if candidates think that a hawkish foreign policy and some lipservice to small government are the only credentials necessary for success.

The Ron Paul community has always had a bit of a soft spot for Fred Thompson. He isn't taken to cackling at ideas of small government, he isn't keen on snap judgements, and he cares about the core of the Republican party. When our candidate was excluded from a Fox Debate, Fred brought up many of the same issues that Ron may have raised. While it is a competition, we always felt glad that at least somebody else understood the principles of conservatism, and the important thing was that the message was being heard. But now Fred Thompson has left us, after rough showings in states that wear their philosophy on their sleeves until it comes time to actually vote. This is disheartening, because the future of our party and of the very word 'conservative,' we feel, has now been winnowed down to one last candidate... Ron Paul.

We need a coalition of thinkers, of people who can look past the rhetoric, see beyond the posturing. We need conservatives in mind and spirit. This is our party, and it is a confused one. But we must never confuse our principles, and in that refusal, we can light the way to victory and a restoration of real values in government.

Will you join us?

Fred Thompson on the issues: http://www.fred08.com/Principles/PrinciplesSummary.aspx?View=OnTheIssues
Ron Paul on the issues: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues

[Truth Warrior]

Huckabee may be the next to drop out, for financial reasons.<IMHO>

[seapilot]

Ron Paul has a perfect voting record on protecting 2nd Amendment rights bar none. A lot of Fred's supporters are big on protecting the 2nd amendment rights.

[LibertyRevolution]

Tell him that if he loves you, he needs to give you 10 mins of his undivided attention.
Sit him down, tell him to not comment durring the video and that you discuse it after the file is done playing, then play this video for him: http://youtube.com/watch?v=herUw6FX4MI

DO NOT TALK AT ALL ONCE YOU HIT PLAY.

Once its done ask him, would you like to hear ron paul explain what is wrong with the economy? he has written 6 books on it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=138LMjiBQ4g

[LilGator]

Fred was Pro-Choice, Pro-Gun Laws, was and still is Pro-Amnesty (as long as it isn't "easy") in his 8 years in the senate - so why does everyone all the sudden think he's conservative ?

[dblee]

The argument I use with neo-cons is that terrorists are really just criminals and don't represent an ENTIRE society. If a guy robbed a bank in Nevada and fled to California, would you send in the nevada National Guard and invade California, and occupy it, and then bomb the shit out of it just to get that one guy? No, you'd probably send in a swat team. That's what we need, a swat team not a an army. Killing a fly with a baseball bat only breaks all your furniture.

[AlbemarleNC0003]

Fred was Pro-Choice, Pro-Gun Laws, was and still is Pro-Amnesty (as long as it isn't "easy") in his 8 years in the senate - so why does everyone all the sudden think he's conservative ?

He's not, but his supporters saw him as Reagan 2.0.

[scandinaviany3]

Well we dont need to be over there anymore.
Patreus was forced to do these paid CLC programs to create the peace.
It has been the only thing that has worked. We therefore can now leave in victory.
The payments can continue until our troops are completely out over the next year or two.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17899543

McCain is a double talker on illegal immigration, the whole story on iraq, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI

[affa]

It is impossible to be fiscally conservative and support the war in Iraq. Impossible.

www.ronpauliswrong.com

agreed. have him read that essay on that site. really, REALLY, good.

[oldjersey]

Tell him every major war since the Civil War has initiated a draft. Ask him if the Iraq War is so important to him, is he willing to vote for somebody who will send his son there to die...or send other men's children there to die?

(Since the Gulf War lasted a little over 6 months, I am not counting that as a major war.)


I think I may actually have a fighting chance. He liked Fred Thompson because Fred was pro life, pro gun, fiscally conservative, and anti amnesty. (and Southern I suspect) None of the other candidates left besides Ron paul fit that bill. Unfortunately, my dad is also hopelessly pro-war. He had harsh words for Paul back in May, but seems to be less harsh now (I dont know if its because he's found some common ground or if its just to appease me). His brother in law just got finished serving in Iraq, and I have to choose my words carefully and always preface things with "I have the greatest respect imaginable for the men and women in uniform, but..." so that they don't try and confuse my anti war stance with an anti troops stance.

I'm afraid he'll go for McCain now, but I'm going to try again anyway. It seems so weird that conservatives used to hate McCain and call him a RINO, but now they're anointing him. My second guess would be Huckabee, although I know he's against Huckabee's pro illegal immigration, pro taxation stances. We share a disdain for Rudy, so I think I'm safe there.

[Goldwater Conservative]

Paul is so conservative he opposes the war. And technically, it's actually an occupation and reconstruction now, the very "nation-building" Bush ran against in 2000 and for which the Republicans mercilessly criticized Clinton in the 90s. It's basically just overseas socialism, since we're paying to build and rebuild everything over there (even as our own bridges collapse...). The only "good" thing is that we're letting our children deal with the inevitable tax burden while we borrow from Red China to finance all this.

Meanwhile, our borders are left wide open here at home and we are stretched so thin we couldn't adequately respond to a direct threat if we wanted. The hundreds of billions we're taking out in loans, and will have to pay back with interest, could lead to such a severe economic crunch that we might have to pull back our military from being a global police force anyway, and it won't be on our terms like it would be if Paul had his way.

Our current foreign policy is really making us weaker and less safe, while Paul's would improve national defense and strengthen our military. We'd be able to respond to any threat in the world. If we don't change our ways, we could go the way of the Soviet Union, which overexerted itself militarily to the point its economy collapsed. Paul would do wonders for America's economic health, growth, and stability, which would in turn beef us up.

[mtmedlin]

**** PLEASE USE THIS ****

Tell him that being against the war is more of an economic choice then it is an assault on patriotism. We all support out troops and believe that they are the backbone of our freedom but that we have to make a choice economically on how to be free. On one hand, we can be safe through a strong offense and continue on the path that Pres. Bush started. On the other hand we can be just as safe by bringing out troops home and defending our borders, naval ports and airports. At present, less then 10% (actually closer to 7%) of all shipping containers coming into America are checked or inspected. Our airports could use additional resources and the majority of our border agents are in Iraq, leaving our country wide open for attack. If we bring home just the nearly 200,000 soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan we can secure our borders like we have never had before, search 100% of all containers and make our airports the safest in the world. The most important point is that we can do it at a fraction of the cost to fight this war. Either strong offense with additional debt, or strong defense with massive cost savings, we will be safe. With the first, the dollar continues to decline and our country is put in jeopardy by the most hideous of invaders, inflation and recession or we go with the second and apply the cost savings to reducing the tax burden on Americans and stimulate our economy back to the strong, proud nation whos currency is the envy of the entire world.

[cien750hp]

just pose this question to him.

"if china came here to liberate us because they didn't agree with our way of life, what would you do? would you fight or work with them to instill communism?"

that may work to convince him that them building bases here and bombing us is like what we're doing over there, we can't change how they live through force and they will continue fighting us. plus foreign policy and the economy go hand in hand. we already have a crashing economy, partly because of our extravagent interventionist hundreds of billions to a trillion dollar foreign policy with 700 bases in 130 countries we cannot manage. the economy will never get better without changing foreign policy, saving money and lives.