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all J's in IL for RP
01-22-2008, 12:10 AM
Everyone is concerning themselves now with setting the next date for the succeeding moneybomb. We need to retool fund raising altogether. Another "monthly" money-bomb won't generate the necessary funds in the time span allotted. Weekly bombs don't work; neither do short prep time bombs. We can't just keep doing to same things and expect (different/better) results. The grassroots must learn to adjust strategy as the campaign enters new phases, or we risk becoming counter-productive. The campaign need much more much sooner than money-bombs can provide.

Also, the cash from the usual internet haunts might be tapped out. We reach many of the same people (YouTube, Facebook, MySpace, Digg); if they haven't bitten by now, it's not likely they're going to in the numbers needed to continue to fund the campaign.

Here's an outside the box idea; meetup groups and other supports go local, advertise and set up house parties (a traditional source of income) with internet connectivity for a virtually live "meet and greet" with the candidate. Not all meetup groups at once, however; perhaps state by state, city by city. Needless to say, this would require greater coordination with the campaign.

Paul4Prez
01-22-2008, 12:13 AM
I can think of 12 million reasons why we should have another moneybomb....

Why give up on something that works? The amount was down today because people are down on Ron Paul's chances of winning the Republican nomination. If he announces after Feb 5 that he's going third party, or if he does well and is still in the running in the Republican Party, the next moneybomb in February will be a lot bigger.

And don't forget -- people will be getting tax refund checks soon, and possibly "economic stimulus" checks....

Malum Prohibitum
01-22-2008, 12:15 AM
I agree that this particular vehicle may have met its end, the problem is, as we can see since Dec 16, it seems like money bombs are the only time serious numbers get posted.

I have seen exponential growth of the campaign of about 25% a month, but I think also that the new supporters tend to be less exuberant than the old, and less likely to donate.

This is definitely something we need to wrap our heads around, because as you suggested, the internet and 18-30 year old demographic that we thrive under is largely saturated.

We need to figure out a way to start racking up the 50+ crowd, they are the ones with all the money anyway.

JimInNY
01-22-2008, 12:16 AM
How about no more telling people what not to do? :)

Let's see.... 3 major money bombs, almost 12 million raised... yeah they must suck, huh? lol

Seriously, if you have an idea, run with it. Don't let money bombs stop you.

JimInNY
01-22-2008, 12:18 AM
I can think of 12 million reasons why we should have another moneybomb....

Why give up on something that works? The amount was down today because people are down on Ron Paul's chances of winning the Republican nomination. If he announces after Feb 5 that he's going third party, or if he does well and is still in the running in the Republican Party, the next moneybomb in February will be a lot bigger.

And don't forget -- people will be getting tax refund checks soon, and possibly "economic stimulus" checks....

The amount was down today because it was intended to be down. It was a $10 pledge, not $100. We won today! :)

JimInNY
01-22-2008, 12:20 AM
We need to figure out a way to start racking up the 50+ crowd, they are the ones with all the money anyway.

Why does one thing have to stop for another to begin? Christ, there are thousands of us, can't we multitask? lol

speciallyblend
01-22-2008, 12:26 AM
you mean i could of donated 20 bucks instead of 200 sigh :)

all J's in IL for RP
01-22-2008, 12:34 AM
Yes, $12 mil gained on three bombs is great, and $1.85 mil is nothing to sneeze at, but the fact that our "monthly" bomb was down should cause us to focus on the reasons why.

Mentioned is the $10 minimum, but at $76 a donation that seems not to have had too great an impact overall. True, some people are somewhat disappointed at actual results thus far. It's true that we're not where some people thought we would be, but it is much to early in the process to be defeatist. The brokered convention long haul strategy is being accepted by more people around here as opposed to the "we're going to win NH" fantasies. Others were put off by the association with MLK, but they don't seem to have contributed on an alternative date, so it can't be that either.

So that leaves us with the points I raised in the my thread-starter. We're passing the hat around to the same people; most are either tapped out, or were never willing to give in the first place. Or, as Malum pointed out, didn't have a whole lot of cash to begin with.

There is also the fact that many around here are souring on the idea of money-bombs altogether. Money bombs are not enough to drive the media cycle now that people are voting. Many recognize the fact that the cash isn't going to reach the campaign in time to buy airtime for Feb 5th. And since Money-bombs are the only idea we've come up with so far, they may stop giving, period.

I don't want this to be a thread just bashing money-bombs. Any further thoughts on my alternative?

JimInNY
01-22-2008, 12:43 AM
I don't want this to be a thread just bashing money-bombs. Any further thoughts on my alternative?

Well, then don't start it by bashing money bombs. :)

That's the biggest problem around here, people bashing things and other people. That is what needs to end.

Your other idea is great. Every idea that spreads the word and raises money is great.

But now I need sleep, I can't think about it. But I will be in better shape in the morning and maybe een have some ideas.

Goodnight!.

dkim68
01-22-2008, 01:02 AM
I think each Meetup should have a weekly movie night watching something that further educates the group on issues Ron Paul is concerned with such as "Fiat Empire" and "America: Freedom to Fascism". Members can pay $10-$20 each for a ticket just like it was a movie theater. Have popcorn, soda pop, candy, etc. All the money collected weekly can then be donated to the campaign.

Whaddya think?

all J's in IL for RP
01-22-2008, 01:23 AM
I think each Meetup should have a weekly movie night watching something that further educates the group on issues Ron Paul is concerned with such as "Fiat Empire" and "America: Freedom to Fascism". Members can pay $10-$20 each for a ticket just like it was a movie theater. Have popcorn, soda pop, candy, etc. All the money collected weekly can then be donated to the campaign.

Whaddya think?

This is doable. 120min & 111min runtimes. I'd go with a $10 entry fee + charge movie theater prices on the consumables and rack them up as donations. And while we got you all together in the room, follow it up with a short discourse on GOTV efforts.;)

This still plays to the same crowd, though. It would benifit us to reach out to more people than we've already got.

dkim68
01-22-2008, 01:28 AM
This still plays to the same crowd, though. It would benifit us to reach out to more people than we've already got.
A weekly newspaper ad for the event would take care of that.

all J's in IL for RP
01-22-2008, 01:33 AM
A weekly newspaper ad for the event would take care of that.

Hmmm...where to advertise though. And what would the cost to benifit ratio be? I wonder what a small "tonight only" ad in the movie section would cost?

humanic
01-22-2008, 02:40 AM
I want to express a strong agreement with the OP ("all J's in IL for RP").

People on this forum are so eager to decry any calls for change as "negative", but I find that very foolish. The moneybomb idea was BRILLIANT and very, very effective. There is nothing negative about acknowledging that we are at a different point in the game now than we were when the idea was first hatched and suggesting that there might be a BETTER strategy that we can come up with. That is a very positive thing to do. New ideas are positive. Being adaptable to change is positive.


"Why does one thing have to stop for another to begin? Christ, there are thousands of us, can't we multitask? lol"

I think the reason is simple: The whole idea of THE MONEYBOMB is that we make it the ONE BIG THING that we're ALL throwing our weight behind. It's success is judged by whether or not we can get EVERYONE to invest in it. Therefore it was extremely successful the first two times and reasonably successful today. But, I have no doubt that some supporters, and certainly the media, will view this one as an indication that support for Paul is falling. This is simply not true. Support for THE MONEYBOMB IDEA is what is falling. The MONEYBOMB is an all or nothing idea, so it's not something that is effective unless it is the primary focus of the grassroots.

There is clearly much disagreement in the grassroots as to whether or not we should continue the MONEYBOMBS. Since MONEYBOMBS are only successful when the entire grassroots are behind them, this fact in itself should make it clear that the idea has run it's course. We have a finite amount of time and energy. By agreeing not to have anymore MONEYBOMBS, we will free up all of the time and energy that will otherwise be spent planning and promoting the next MONEYBOMB, and, more importantly, arguing about whether or not it's a good idea and trying to convince each other to participate. This is a tidal wave of freed up energy that can be used for brainstorming and implementing fresh ideas that can take us to the next level.

AgentOrange
01-22-2008, 07:40 AM
I ended up donating, even though I said I wouldn't.

The problem is 1) as mentioned, the idea behind a moneybomb is to make it big, one time. Many people maxed out at the last moneybomb. Many others (like myself) have never donated to a political campaign before, and really didn't intend to donate other than the first moneybomb.

2) With the first moneymomb, the hope was that we would get news coverage. It's obvious now that Ron Paul will be totally ignored by the media until the day he is sworn in as president.

3) People have serious concerns with the effectiveness of how the campaign is spending money. This was also my big hesitation in donating again to Ron Paul. I feel that many of the grass roots efforts are getting more bang for the buck--I suspect many people are donating to grass roots efforts, rather than the official campaign.

HenryKnoxFineBooks
01-22-2008, 07:52 AM
About reaching the same people...if you looked at the numbers yesterday, there were over 5000 new donars.

seeker1
01-22-2008, 08:17 AM
Well, then don't start it by bashing money bombs. :)

That's the biggest problem around here, people bashing things and other people. That is what needs to end.

Your other idea is great. Every idea that spreads the word and raises money is great.

But now I need sleep, I can't think about it. But I will be in better shape in the morning and maybe een have some ideas.

Goodnight!.

Bashing bashers for bashing. I love forums where the real brainiacs hang out.:D

Austin
01-22-2008, 08:18 AM
Moneybombs work.

Why not use what works?

seeker1
01-22-2008, 08:21 AM
About reaching the same people...if you looked at the numbers yesterday, there were over 5000 new donars.

5000 donors is a significant increase in new donors?

We spent thirty million dollars and can only come up with 5000 new donors?

Matthew Zak
01-22-2008, 08:25 AM
The next money bomb needs to be at least 8 weeks out. Anything less is pointless.

DFF
01-22-2008, 08:52 AM
Moneybombs work.

Why not use what works?

Correction: they did work.

MLK was, considering it's hype, a failure.

We didn't even break 2 million.

Granted, that's nothing to sneeze at and a lot of candidates who are currently broke *cough* Ghoul *cough* would kill for that kind of cash.

But guess what? They've got the entire MSM propping them up.

All Dr. Paul has is us.

So in order to keep 'buying' his exposure (e.g. TV, radio ads etc.), while the other corporate schmucks get theirs free; Dr. Paul needs to keep raking in the cash.

$1.7 every 8 weeks absolutely positively will not cut it and anybody who thinks it will is living in fantasy land.

Ergo, we need to seriously rethink this whole money bomb concept and IMO, move in the direction of weekly donations of $25-$50 every Friday www.ronpaulspayday.com.

This - unlike the "all in" bet of the every-8-weeks "Money Bomb" - is money in the bank.

However, this can only happen if people wake up and realize the bomb novelty isn't working anymore and collectively commit to weekly donations.

maeqFREEDOMfree
01-22-2008, 08:57 AM
i don't think money bombs should cease.. they seem to always bring in the funds... this was the third highest fund raising day for us to date... we had little preperation and still managed to make it successful so why stop?


On another note i do like the idea of house parties and the like... it seems that events like this are an opportunity for RP supporters to get to know one another in our communities. Events like this, while they will bring in money, are a good way to get to know other supporters on a more personally basis which i think helps galvanize support and make our "collective voice" more audible. I also think that person-to-person interaction is essential in a movement like this. good idea!
unfortunately my one bedroom apartment might be a little small for a house party :-(

humanic
01-22-2008, 09:21 AM
Correction: they did work.

MLK was, considering it's hype, a failure.

We didn't even break 2 million.

Granted, that's nothing to sneeze at and a lot of candidates who are currently broke *cough* Ghoul *cough* would kill for that kind of cash.

But guess what? They've got the entire MSM propping them up.

All Dr. Paul has is us.

So in order to keep 'buying' his exposure (e.g. TV, radio ads etc.), while the other corporate schmucks get theirs free; Dr. Paul needs to keep raking in the cash.

$1.7 every 8 weeks absolutely positively will not cut it and anybody who thinks it will is living in fantasy land.

Ergo, we need to seriously rethink this whole money bomb concept and IMO, move in the direction of weekly donations of $25-$50 every Friday www.ronpaulspayday.com.

This - unlike the "all in" bet of the every-8-weeks "Money Bomb" - is money in the bank.

However, this can only happen if people wake up and realize the bomb novelty isn't working anymore and collectively commit to weekly donations.

QFT (see my post #14 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1037747#post1037747))

Grimsatire
01-22-2008, 09:34 AM
MLK WAS a success. In a time when several primaries have already been done, thre has been some negative media, lots of people have had been tapped out of money, and there has only been 10 days of real actual hype...nearly 2 million is AMAZING!

But here's another thing. Martin Luther King, as much as I respect him, is a not a figure that a majority of Americans deep down have strong emotions for. For the african-american community he does, and for the media in general he does, but for most Americans he was simply a great man that helped the civil right cause for blacks. For non-blacks though, strong emotions just aren't there. The simple cause of freedom for all, or the origins of America ARE STRONG - hence the Boston Tea Party and Gu Fawkes day.

In fact, many Americans of european ancestry (I'm not white myself), actually grew up with negative feelings of MLK as being a socialist or communist. Many of these people are not racist either. But it's hard to be hyped up, when deep down the passion for MLK is not there.

A WAshington day will probably have a MUCH stronger response.

TonySutton
01-22-2008, 09:34 AM
Money bombs are good. I would suspect some people have maxed out while others are spending their money locally in preparation for Super Tuesday. That aside, the best way to make the next money bomb better is to increase base support for Ron Paul. This means getting out on the street, making contact and spreading Ron Paul's message.