CFR Page on Ron Paul

[Airborn]

the enemy has a page on Paul on their website: http://www.cfr.org/bios/13303/ron_paul.html

[UK4Paul]

Yeah. I guess he's the only threat to their comfy power base at the moment.

[Joe3113]

The CFR crack me up. When their people talk to you they try and phrase their opinions in such a way that it doesn't sound like they want one world government. Their agenda is so obvious.

On the other hand I'm quite sure 99% of the people in the CFR think the one world government idea is the only thing that will achieve world peace. Little do they know they are being absolutely played by those at the top.

[yaz]

http://www.cfr.org/issue/
http://www.cfr.org/publication/15159/reason.html?breadcrumb=%2Fissue%2F
http://www.reason.com/news/show/123905.html

[EvilEngineer]

wow, all factual information... no slander in there at all. They even got the "non-interventionist" part correct. I'm kind of shocked to say the least. Oh well. Depending on this election goes, I'll see if I want to get rid of them or join them.

[Trigonx]

they got transcripts of all the GOP debates and they are called "Essential Documents." This shit is actually creeping me out.

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

It looks like a straight forward biography to me.

It seems to me like this whole "CFR" conspiracy talk is very similar to "911 Truth" bullshit.

What is the great fear of CFR? That they want one-world government? So fucking what. That would be the logical goal of any rational human. As Carl Sagan once said, When you view the earth from space, there are no national boundaries. What would be wrong with a one-world government, for example, that was based on something like the US Constitution?

It is the natural progression of human beings to move to a world government, and end all these nationalistic wars. In fact is was the US that really started the trend, followed by the EU.

Ooooo.... CFR! They're so scary!!

Stop with the conspiracies please.

[-lotus-]

you notice though, that they dont list his stance on monetary policy/reform or his views on abolishing the fed.

[driller80545]

Seems like they portray him fairly.

[Trigonx]

It looks like a straight forward biography to me.

It seems to me like this whole "CFR" conspiracy talk is very similar to "911 Truth" bullshit.

What is the great fear of CFR? That they want one-world government? So fucking what. That would be the logical goal of any rational human. As Carl Sagan once said, When you view the earth from space, there are no national boundaries. What would be wrong with a one-world government, for example, that was based on something like the US Constitution?

It is the natural progression of human being to move to a world government, and end all these nationalistic wars.

Ooooo.... CFR! They're so scary!!

Stop with the conspiracies please.


yeah.... i would not call them conspiracies. The CFR is getting the real correct info to their members for their own understanding. Fuck world government, I want to know what it is like to be a Proud American, and i will get that chance when Ron Paul goes to the white house

[literatim]

MayTheRonBeWithYou, you do realize that Ron Paul actively speaks out against the CFR and their actions?

[RichardC]

yeah i dont see anything wrong with their summary. its factual and not slanderous from what i can see. maybe there isn't alot to spin there without it becoming obvious spin? =)

[syborius]

The CFR crack me up. When their people talk to you they try and phrase their opinions in such a way that it doesn't sound like they want one world government. Their agenda is so obvious.

On the other hand I'm quite sure 99% of the people in the CFR think the one world government idea is the only thing that will achieve world peace. Little do they know they are being absolutely played by those at the top.

I concur with that assessment.

[literatim]

The CFR doesn't need spin. It is for their own membership. The word 'non-interventionist' is enough to make them scowl.

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

This should be moved to Hot Topics along with the "Truther" and Bigfoot and UFO threads.

[buffalokid777]

It looks like a straight forward biography to me.

It seems to me like this whole "CFR" conspiracy talk is very similar to "911 Truth" bullshit.

What is the great fear of CFR? That they want one-world government? So fucking what. That would be the logical goal of any rational human. As Carl Sagan once said, When you view the earth from space, there are no national boundaries. What would be wrong with a one-world government, for example, that was based on something like the US Constitution?

It is the natural progression of human beings to move to a world government, and end all these nationalistic wars. In fact is was the US that really started the trend, followed by the EU.

Ooooo.... CFR! They're so scary!!

Stop with the conspiracies please.

The real problem with one world government is centralized power....If we had a kind and beneovlent one world leader....there would be no concern for one world government....

The problem comes from the fact that those pushing for one world government are the same people that have pushed for the bloodshed of those opposed to one world government.

[Trigonx]

This should be moved to Hot Topics along with the "Truther" and Bigfoot and UFO threads.

let me guess your one of the people who puts truthers in the same category as rapists and racists?

Your hate towards "truthers" makes you more repulsive than any truther in the world.

[libertythor]

This thread is fine. But ask yourselves, "Why is this positive portrayal fine for internal viewing of CFR members but not the general public?"

Because they know that the CFR's readers of Foreign Affairs will already be anti-RP. They have no fear in writing about him for their own.

[literatim]

This should be moved to Hot Topics along with the "Truther" and Bigfoot and UFO threads.

Go away troll.

[Joe3113]

The CFR doesn't need spin. It is for their own membership. The word 'non-interventionist' is enough to make them scowl.

I hear if you say 'patriotism' 3 times in the mirror at midnight on Friday the 13th while holding an American flag, then David Rockefeller appears in the mirror and tries to grab you and pull you into the 5th dimension.

[Trigonx]

This thread is fine. But ask yourselves, "Why is this positive portrayal fine for internal viewing of CFR members but not the general public?"

Because they know that the CFR's readers of Foreign Affairs will already be anti-RP. They have no fear in writing about him for their own.

yep, thats exactly what i had going in my head. They are not trying to sell Ron Paul to CFR, they are just filling them in with details about Ron Paul

[JohnnyWrath]

The premise of this country is that we are not ruled by anyone other than the people themselves...be very afraid of a world government...it is the death of freedom. Our constitution clearly is in place to limit the federal government, not to see a government grow to world control.

[Fields]

Oh wow, that's a bit creepy.

[dvictr]

you gotta admit... whoever wrote that page and did the reasearch must NOW be a Ron Paul supporter!

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

let me guess your one of the people who puts truthers in the same category as rapists and racists?

Your hate towards "truthers" makes you more repulsive than any truther in the world.

WTF? I don't hate Truthers. I understand the frustration with US foreign policy and the out-of-control federal government that motivates their conspiracies.

I think of Truthers the same as I think of Bigfoot believers, flat earth society members, evolutiion deniers, etc.

The only time I get angry with Truthers is when they hurt Ron Paul by mixing their agenda with his, when Ron has clearly asked them not to.

[akijikan]

It's interesting though, they're not really smearing him. Just stating what he believes.

[derdy]

This should be moved to Hot Topics along with the "Truther" and Bigfoot and UFO threads.

Or maybe you should be moved there :rolleyes:

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

It's interesting though, they're not really smearing him. Just stating what he believes.

Maybe because there IS NO giant "CFR Conspiracy"??? Ever thought of that?

[Airborn]

yeah i dont see anything wrong with their summary. its factual and not slanderous from what i can see. maybe there isn't alot to spin there without it becoming obvious spin? =)

I read it nothing was wrong with it, just posting to let everyone know they have a page on him

[literatim]

WTF? I don't hate Truthers. I understand the frustration with US foreign policy and the out-of-control federal government that motivates their conspiracies.

I think of Truthers the same as I think of Bigfoot believers, flat earth society members, evolutiion deniers, etc.

The only time I get angry with Truthers is when they hurt Ron Paul by mixing their agenda with his, when Ron has clearly asked them not to.

You hurt Ron Paul as much as any truther does. So go away forever.


Maybe because there IS NO giant "CFR Conspiracy"??? Ever thought of that?

So Ron Paul is a lair?

[Joe3113]

This thread is fine. But ask yourselves, "Why is this positive portrayal fine for internal viewing of CFR members but not the general public?"

Because they know that the CFR's readers of Foreign Affairs will already be anti-RP. They have no fear in writing about him for their own.

Exactly. Joe Six-Pack doesn't regularly visit cfr.org, nor does he know what the CFR is. If the CFR has a Joe Six-Pack audience then they will use low-level slander the appeals to the masses. When their audience is their own members, who already have been sucked into interventionism theory, then it's fine to tell the truth.

[Trigonx]

WTF? I don't hate Truthers. I understand the frustration with US foreign policy and the out-of-control federal government that motivates their conspiracies.

I think of Truthers the same as I think of Bigfoot believers, flat earth society members, evolutiion deniers, etc.

The only time I get angry with Truthers is when they hurt Ron Paul by mixing their agenda with his, when Ron has clearly asked them not to.

I agree with you last statement when they hurt Ron Paul that its not cool, but they can believe in anything they want.

However, i've noticed your posts always belittling "truthers" and I see you as their opposite, as in if you put the "truthers" on a spectrum and you on a spectrum, you would be on the complete other side of the spectrum. And the middle is people who can see both sides and not be so openly critical over any little post/thread.


Treat people the way you want to be treated.

[Joe3113]

The real problem with one world government is centralized power....If we had a kind and beneovlent one world leader....there would be no concern for one world government....

The problem comes from the fact that those pushing for one world government are the same people that have pushed for the bloodshed of those opposed to one world government.

Exactly. When I hear Mike Gravel and David Ray Griffin talking about World Governance/Government, it doesn't bother me at all, although I'm generally not in favor of it. On the other hand, when Rockefeller and Rothschild minions talk about it, it creeps you out, because you know these people are into ripping people off and have no problem with assassination and mass murder as a means to achieve their goal.

[AggieforPaul]

That's a fair bio. The CFR isnt all bad, not everyone in it really wants one world government.

[Azprint]

It looks like a straight forward biography to me.

It seems to me like this whole "CFR" conspiracy talk is very similar to "911 Truth" bullshit.

What is the great fear of CFR? That they want one-world government? So fucking what. That would be the logical goal of any rational human. As Carl Sagan once said, When you view the earth from space, there are no national boundaries. What would be wrong with a one-world government, for example, that was based on something like the US Constitution?

It is the natural progression of human beings to move to a world government, and end all these nationalistic wars. In fact is was the US that really started the trend, followed by the EU.

Ooooo.... CFR! They're so scary!!

Stop with the conspiracies please.

How much money do you earn? How much money do you waste on pointless gadgets? Do you own a computer? Do you own a TV set? Did you know, that by living in America you are 1/5 of world's richest population? Now imagine it is all gone, world government. Some poor ass Ethiopian gets half of your stuff, not by violence or anything, but because you are equal.

You live on a single government planet, and you cannot afford what you can now. You see, with your type of views, you live in a communist/socialist world, where everyone is equal. Now before you ask another retarded question, ask yourself do you want to loose everything for everyone else in the world?

I might reveal scary truth to you, but this society, European society, Australian society and even Canadian society, have a damn good level of living just because they exploit the rest of the world. So before you ask about CFR again, think if you want to be poor ass Ethiopian. I know I am over exaggerating, but the ultimate goal of CFR is as pointed above.

[derdy]

wow. CFR discussion was moved to Hot Topics?! Can I flag "MaytheRonbeWithYou"'s posts so he can be banished here as well?

This thread was clearly non-inflammatory until that jerk jumped in.:rolleyes:

[Airborn]

http://www.cfr.org/campaign2008/meetings.html check out the candidates meetings and who's members

[Trigonx]

i am upset with this being moved.

[Airborn]

wow. CFR discussion was moved to Hot Topics?! Can I flag "MaytheRonbeWithYou"'s posts so he can be banished here as well?

This thread was clearly non-inflammatory until that jerk jumped in.:rolleyes:

Yeh just posted that cfr's website had a page about ron paul.now it's moved to hot topics... must be a conspiracy

[Airborn]

i am upset with this being moved.

yeh me too, any word about CFR gets moved? Even when Ron talks about them...

[Trigonx]

Yeh just posted that cfr's website had a page about ron paul.now it's moved to hot topics... must be a conspiracy

lol, no it was just a certain somebody. some bullshit really, the discussion was fine and then bam moved because one person bitched.

[Joe3113]

This should be moved to Hot Topics along with the "Truther" and Bigfoot and UFO threads.

Ron himself has said that the 9/11 Commission was a cover-up. In other words, it was not a full investigation and without a full investigation we CAN NOT know the truth. Hence the emergence of the 9/11 Truth movement and it's members ('Truthers').

Ron's personal opinion is that the cover-up was to hide negligence and inept, however other people are of the opinion that it was a false-flag op, executed by a rogue network with moles within the government. Both of these categories are people who want the truth so I guess both categories could be called 'truthers' in a way, although the truther term is more widely used to describe the latter. This may be because the majority of people pushing for a full investigation to find the truth, are of the opinion it was an inside job, based on the overwhelming evidence.

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Talking about the CFR as a giant conspiracy is actually.... a conspiracy theory. Thus, it belong here with all the other conspiracy theories.

[Trigonx]

Ron himself has said that the 9/11 Commission was a cover-up. In other words, it was not a full investigation and without a full investigation we CAN NOT know the truth. Hence the emergence of the 9/11 Truth movement and it's members ('Truthers').

Ron's personal opinion is that the cover-up was to hide negligence and inept, however other people are of the opinion that it was a false-flag op, executed by a rogue network with moles within the government. Both of these categories are people who want the truth so I guess both categories could be called 'truthers' in a way, although the truther term is more widely used to describe the latter. This may be because the majority of people pushing for a full investigation to find the truth, are of the opinion it was an inside job, based on the overwhelming evidence.

before we get a truther basher here: We know that this stuff hurts Ron paul with mainstream america and thus we don't promote it like his Monetary Policy or his Foreign Policy BUT it still exists and if you deny it you do so at your own risk

[Airborn]

lol, no it was just a certain somebody. some bullshit really, the discussion was fine and then bam moved because one person bitched.

then they should do something about his post, not the whole thread

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

I agree with you last statement when they hurt Ron Paul that its not cool, but they can believe in anything they want.

However, i've noticed your posts always belittling "truthers" and I see you as their opposite, as in if you put the "truthers" on a spectrum and you on a spectrum, you would be on the complete other side of the spectrum. And the middle is people who can see both sides and not be so openly critical over any little post/thread.


Treat people the way you want to be treated.

I don't necessarily belittle "truthers." I think they are irrational, in the same way I think Flat Earth Society people are irrational.

Let me ask you, do you think Flat Earthers have their heads screwed on right? If someone sat down and tried to convince you that the earth is flat, wouldn't you think they were pretty foolish?

[JordanQ72]

Yeah. I guess he's the only threat to their comfy power base at the moment.

Um, just to splash some reality around here

http://www.cfr.org/campaign2008/candidates.html

They have bios on all the candidates

[Joe3113]

Talking about the CFR as a giant conspiracy is actually.... a conspiracy theory. Thus, it belong here with all the other conspiracy theories.

Here is Ray McGovern (20-year CIA Veteran Analyst) saying the 9/11 Truth movement should be applauded. You think you know better than him?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy4pJBO0f8Q

[Airborn]

I don't necessarily belittle "truthers." I think they are irrational, in the same way I think Flat Earth Society people are irrational.

Let me ask you, do you think Flat Earthers have their heads screwed on right? If someone sat down and tried to convince you that the earth is flat, wouldn't you think they were pretty foolish?
they are like only 20 people that believe that crap, go on their forums. More people their don't buy into it and are just their for kicks

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

You want to know why I get pissed off at "CRF Truthers"?

Because of videos like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvSazMVdYjQ

This damages Ron Paul's campaign. Every person in that room thinks we are batshit crazy after something like this.

[Airborn]

Um, just to splash some reality around here

http://www.cfr.org/campaign2008/candidates.html

They have bios on all the candidates
i know, thats why i posted this.. i found it kinda wierd because most of the other candidates are members, wouldn't think they would have a bio on Paul.. since he is against them. But they also have dennis and gravel, they are just listed all the candidates, just thought some might find it interesting

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

then they should do something about his post, not the whole thread

So, please, Airborn, explain the vast "CFR Truth" conspiracy to me.

[Trigonx]

then they should do something about his post, not the whole thread

i agree, can the admin who moved this send me a PM as the why this got moved..... because when the Billionaire thread got moved to Hot Topics the reason was "No evidence supporting it to be truth or evidence proving it to be false so until it was figured out it'd stay in Hot Topics"

however this thread only states that a WEBSITE has a profile of Ron Paul on it. And then people commented on it, then some one bitched at how people keep talking about conspiracies and asked it to get moved, and low and behold it gets moved.

That in my opinion is lame.

[Trigonx]

So, please, Airborn, explain the vast "CFR Truth" conspiracy to me.

airborn mearly pointed out the website had a profile on him.

[smartguy911]

The CFR crack me up. When their people talk to you they try and phrase their opinions in such a way that it doesn't sound like they want one world government. Their agenda is so obvious.

On the other hand I'm quite sure 99% of the people in the CFR think the one world government idea is the only thing that will achieve world peace. Little do they know they are being absolutely played by those at the top.

i want my world to have culture, languages, rituals, food, religion. one world will get rid of all that over time.

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

i want my world to have culture, languages, rituals, food, religion. one world will get rid of all that over time.

So in exchange for this, you would prefer another thousand years of endless wars, this time fought with nuclear and biological weapons? Seems worth it to me.:rolleyes:

[Airborn]

So, please, Airborn, explain the vast "CFR Truth" conspiracy to me.

It's not so much a conspiracy, like Ron said it's a conspiracy of ideas, alot of the CFR members would like a centralized world government. GO see who are all members and the corporations, it might surprise you. You wonder why News Corp(FOX) doesn't like Paul...

Go do your research, I'm not saying CFR did 911 so stop bunching it up calling it CFR Truthers

[Airborn]

So in exchange for this, you would prefer another thousand years of endless wars, this time fought with nuclear and biological weapons? Seems worth it to me.:rolleyes:

You said earlier you think world government is a good thing, why are you supporting Paul.. there are pleny other candidates that have them views... just wondering

[Joe3113]

i want my world to have culture, languages, rituals, food, religion. one world will get rid of all that over time.

Disagree with some of those things. I think it would be a hell of a lot easier to have one language and I don't want religion because, generally, it puts people in a box. I prefer infinite thought and possibilities.

[smartguy911]

So in exchange for this, you would prefer another thousand years of endless wars, this time fought with nuclear and biological weapons? Seems worth it to me.:rolleyes:

sorry you are not making any sense at all. Let me get this right, as long we have different cultures in this world, we will always have wars??

do you have any Asian friends? Blacks? Hispanics? Middle Eastern?

I pretty much know a person of every ethnicity and you know what I am glad i met them because I enjoy their food, language, different family values. One language and one religion will make our world a boring place to live in.

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

You said earlier you think world government is a good thing, why are you supporting Paul.. there are plenty other candidates that have them views... just wondering

I said eventually it's going to happen, I would rather have it happen on our terms than have it imposed on us. Why not a world government based on a document similar to the Constitution?

Or do you prefer endless nationalistic wars?

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

sorry you are not making any sense at all. Let me get this right, as long we have different cultures in this world, we will always have wars??

do you have any Asian friends? Blacks? Hispanics? Middle Eastern?

I pretty much know a person of every ethnicity and you know what I am glad i met them because I enjoy their food, language, different family values. One language and one religion will make our world a boring place to live in.

You claimed a one-world government would end different cultures. First of all, I don't agree with that, since even within our own nation there are plenty of different cultures. Compare Mormons in Utah to gang bangers in Memphis.

My point is that wars could be minimized and the human race spared terrible catastrophic wars if we did not have feuding nations.

[stewie3128]

What is the great fear of CFR? That they want one-world government? So fucking what. That would be the logical goal of any rational human. As Carl Sagan once said, When you view the earth from space, there are no national boundaries. What would be wrong with a one-world government, for example, that was based on something like the US Constitution?

A world government based on the US Constitution would be a nice pipe dream, but regardless, libertarians (at least, paleo-libertarians) would argue that world government and authority is anathema to and eliminates the possibility of self-determination, as the whole of the world is, in such a scheme, directed by those few who run the whole of the world. Localized government, on the other hand, is politically closer to its constituents and can therefore best respond to their unique needs.

Now if you're not concerned with individual self-determination, I don't know what to tell you...

[Airborn]

I said eventually it's going to happen, I would rather have it happen on our terms than have it imposed on us. Why not a world government based on a document similar to the Constitution?

Or do you prefer endless nationalistic wars?

Think of this.. A stong military policestate world government, lets say it happens. HOW could you stop them then? WE ARE TRYING TO STOP THEM NOW, BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. GET IT?

"Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely"

[Mini-Me]

It looks like a straight forward biography to me.

It seems to me like this whole "CFR" conspiracy talk is very similar to "911 Truth" bullshit.

What is the great fear of CFR? That they want one-world government? So fucking what. That would be the logical goal of any rational human. As Carl Sagan once said, When you view the earth from space, there are no national boundaries. What would be wrong with a one-world government, for example, that was based on something like the US Constitution?

It is the natural progression of human beings to move to a world government, and end all these nationalistic wars. In fact is was the US that really started the trend, followed by the EU.

Ooooo.... CFR! They're so scary!!

Stop with the conspiracies please.


Now imagine what would happen if that government were totalitarian. Imagine what would happen if it were not at all a constitutional republic, but an oligarchy headed by an authoritarian fascist dictator like Adolf Hitler. No other country could stand against it, because no other country would exist. There would be nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. Sure, such a government would eventually fall to revolution, but it could take a loooong time - especially considering such a government would have already made it a first priority to disarm its population. One world government sounds good for about five seconds ("ooh, no more wars!"), but any rational human being should be able to understand its incredible dangers and look upon the idea with abject terror and a determination never to let it come about.

With federal power expanding, executive power expanding, and our Constitutional liberties under attack on all sides right now (neocons and half the Democrats with big brother, Democrats and half the neocons with gun control), do you really think a one-world government would be based on a document anything like our Constitution? With as little representation as we the people have now, we would have even less under a one-world government...and that's saying something. Further centralization of power always moves power further from the people. The CFR is very relevant here because one-world government is on its agenda and it has been extremely influential in US politics since even Kennedy's days. You can see the CFR's influence in American politics when the owners of the big media companies are all heavily CFR-affiliated, and every single candidate other than Ron Paul, Mike Gravel, and Dennis Kucinich also has strong affiliations with them. Huckabee was a total unknown until he gave a speech to some CFR members, and then all of a sudden he became the media's darling. The CFR's ultimate agenda is one-world government, but only after each region is further consolidated like Europe has been with the EU. In other words, they are pushing for a North American Union first (although it will probably be called something else like the North American Partnership to prove the conspiracy theorists wrong :rolleyes:). In case you haven't noticed, the EU is run by unelected officials and it has stripped sovereignty from the European nations; a lot of people there are now realizing their mistake. At the bottom, the CFR is comprised of a whole bunch of well-intentioned but ultimately foolish members who, like you, think one-world government would solve all of everyone's problems. At the top, it's run and financed by globalist elites and banking interests, e.g. David Rockefeller. Make no mistake: Their vision of one-world government is one where they are in charge.
Obviously I have no proof or supporting statements to offer in such a short post (especially considering I made another long one earlier tonight, which really wore me out), but the CFR situation is nothing to scoff at.

[SleepingNative]

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - From Rockefeller's "Memoirs", (p.405).

How can you be a purported supporter of Ron Paul, a purported supporter of strict Constitutionalism, of self-determination, and LIBERTY for all, by advocating a centralized World Government, MayTheCIABeWithYou?

You are not just advocating it, you are VOCIFEROUSLY advocating it, and REPEATEDLY downplaying the conspiracy our Mr. Rockefeller himself has had the balls to take ownership of for himself. Your intentions towards this end are rather clear and I dare say it seems you have shown your true hand.

Very interesting.

How's Langley?

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the NY Times, Time Magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But now the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supra national sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." - David Rockefeller, Private Banker and co-founder of the CFR, in a banquet held for all member media organizations at the Council on Foreign Relations, June 1991.

"The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough money to buy it back again. However, take away from them the power to create money, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money." - Sir Josiah Stamp, Former Director of The Bank of England

"The new world order will be built...an end run on national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal assault." - Council on Foreign Relations Journal 1974, p. 558

“We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent." - Paul Warburg, first Director of the CFR and architect of the Federal Reserve System.

Music to your ears, isn't it???

[Goldwater Conservative]

What would be wrong with a one-world government, for example, that was based on something like the US Constitution?

If our own national government hasn't been able to uphold the Constitution, how well do you think an even more distant world government could?

[SleepingNative]

Even the notion of "An end of all wars" is preposterous. Why do you think these wars are happening in the first place??!

[fmontez]

the enemy has a page on Paul on their website: http://www.cfr.org/bios/13303/ron_paul.html

Ok, the CFR seems like a typical think-tank like organization. I don't get all the hype people have about it [CFR]. Their article on Ron Paul seems spot on... probably a more honest analysis than I have seen anywhere else. Just because we may not agree with their goals doesn’t make the CFR a bad or evil organization, just a group with a different view… more power to them.

[constituent]

they'll be using this:

U.S. Policy toward Africa
Rep. Paul (R-TX) is a critic of U.S. foreign aid. In response to the White House’s 2005 announcement that it would double economic aid to Africa, Paul wrote, “a federal government with nearly $8 trillion in debt has no business giving money to anybody.”

to say he's pro-genocide soon enough

[constituent]

You said earlier you think world government is a good thing, why are you supporting Paul.. there are pleny other candidates that have them views... just wondering

he's a clear example of a troll... srsly.

and none of that "gaaaahhhlee people are so quick to call people trolls"

he's a troll, check his posting record.

[MooCowzRock]

One world government would ONLY be acceptable under OUR Constitution. Otherwise, everyone else can go screw themselves.

[fmontez]

One world government would ONLY be acceptable under OUR Constitution. Otherwise, everyone else can go screw themselves.

A world government will happen someday, probably in my lifetime... it will not be under the US Constitution, but probably a Constitution that is weaker... more of a minimum bill of universal human rights. It is coming, there is no stopping it, but a Ron Paul Presidency could help make sure the final Constitution takes into consideration personal freedom... instead of purely focusing on collective rights.

[LibertyOfOne]

It looks like a straight forward biography to me.

It seems to me like this whole "CFR" conspiracy talk is very similar to "911 Truth" bullshit.

What is the great fear of CFR? That they want one-world government? So fucking what. That would be the logical goal of any rational human. As Carl Sagan once said, When you view the earth from space, there are no national boundaries. What would be wrong with a one-world government, for example, that was based on something like the US Constitution?

It is the natural progression of human beings to move to a world government, and end all these nationalistic wars. In fact is was the US that really started the trend, followed by the EU.

Ooooo.... CFR! They're so scary!!

Stop with the conspiracies please.

That would be highly irrational if one wants liberty. Conspiracies or not government can turn into something terrible on its own. What if the one world government turns sour like Germany did where could you run to? It's a one world government there would be no where to run to. There would be no one else to help. You would basically be fucked to shit by some despot. Not only that but that added layer of bureaucracy on top of a bloated national government is a wasteful allocation of resources and is irrational. Carl Sagan was not so great and many scientists didn't care for him due to his over simplification of things.

[pinkmandy]

LMAO. It is accurate! And he is against everything they stand for. How funny.

[junior_bacon_cheeseburger]

CFR is no conspiracy, what is it with people who labeling everything a conspiracy and then saying "it cant be real because its a conspiracy"......members of the CFR may conspire to do certain things at times, but there is also all of the FACTS which lay out in clear daylight their agenda. I don't want to lose national sovereignty, and the sooner we admit what's going on the better off we'll be.....

[fmontez]

CFR is no conspiracy, what is it with people who labeling everything a conspiracy and then saying "it cant be real because its a conspiracy"......members of the CFR may conspire to do certain things at times, but there is also all of the FACTS which lay out in clear daylight their agenda. I don't want to lose national sovereignty, and the sooner we admit what's going on the better off we'll be.....

I will go a step farther, and say the CFR is a good organization...

[realitywiz]

It looks like a straight forward biography to me.

It seems to me like this whole "CFR" conspiracy talk is very similar to "911 Truth" bullshit.

What is the great fear of CFR? That they want one-world government? So fucking what. That would be the logical goal of any rational human. As Carl Sagan once said, When you view the earth from space, there are no national boundaries. What would be wrong with a one-world government, for example, that was based on something like the US Constitution?

It is the natural progression of human beings to move to a world government, and end all these nationalistic wars. In fact is was the US that really started the trend, followed by the EU.

Ooooo.... CFR! They're so scary!!

Stop with the conspiracies please.


You have no idea what you're talking about.

[yongrel]

I don't see why people get as fussed as they do about the CFR. I think they're just one more group of powerful elites. Such is life. Change the system if you don't like it.

I am curious how those who violently oppose the CFR explain their fair and factual profile of Ron Paul.

[Kenso]

A world government will happen someday, probably in my lifetime... .

I don't think a "world government" will be acceptable to anyone who truly values their freedom. I won't accept it personally. If the US government won't respect our Constitution, you can be damn sure a world government wouldn't.

The idea that world government will bring about an end to war-the only way that would happen is under absolute, iron-fisted totalitarian rule. I'll take my chances with the occasional war. I think the phrase "Live free or die" would actually apply here.

[werdd]

i think the only way were gonna have a one world goverment that actually stays in place is if we find someone else to fight. Yep ALIENS!@#!@#

[jmdrake]

It looks like a straight forward biography to me.

It seems to me like this whole "CFR" conspiracy talk is very similar to "911 Truth" bullshit.

What is the great fear of CFR? That they want one-world government? So fucking what. That would be the logical goal of any rational human. As Carl Sagan once said, When you view the earth from space, there are no national boundaries. What would be wrong with a one-world government, for example, that was based on something like the US Constitution?

It is the natural progression of human beings to move to a world government, and end all these nationalistic wars. In fact is was the US that really started the trend, followed by the EU.

Ooooo.... CFR! They're so scary!!

Stop with the conspiracies please.

Any rational human? So Ron Paul isn't rational? Because he's against a one world government and he called that a "conspiracy".

And no. A one world government is NOT rational and it's the exact opposite of everything Ron Paul stands for! Why would a man who's dedicated his life to getting the U.S. out of the U.N. support such a nutty idea? (Yes, if you want a one world government then YOU are the nutjob). Besides, if Ron Paul is against having an overbearing central FEDERAL government why would he want an overbearing central WORLD government? If you think a one world government is a rational idea then you are in the wrong campaign. Giuliani, McCain and Fred Thompson all support that idea. Go join their campaign and send some more 9/11 truthers our way.

Regards,

John M. Drake

[werdd]

Any rational human? So Ron Paul isn't rational? Because he's against a one world government and he called that a "conspiracy".

And no. A one world government is NOT rational and it's the exact opposite of everything Ron Paul stands for! Why would a man who's dedicated his life to getting the U.S. out of the U.N. support such a nutty idea? (Yes, if you want a one world government then YOU are the nutjob). Besides, if Ron Paul is against having an overbearing central FEDERAL government why would he want an overbearing central WORLD government? If you think a one world government is a rational idea then you are in the wrong campaign. Giuliani, McCain and Fred Thompson all support that idea. Go join their campaign and send some more 9/11 truthers our way.

Regards,

John M. Drake

Lol dude, thinking the CFR is a peice of shit organization and beleiving 911 was an inside job are two totally different things. It's easy for anyone to see that the CFR's agenda is to subdue US sovereignty.

now the whole 911 thing i think is a load of overblown out of proportioned shit.

[fmontez]

I don't think a "world government" will be acceptable to anyone who truly values their freedom. I won't accept it personally. If the US government won't respect our Constitution, you can be damn sure a world government wouldn't.

The idea that world government will bring about an end to war-the only way that would happen is under absolute, iron-fisted totalitarian rule. I'll take my chances with the occasional war. I think the phrase "Live free or die" would actually apply here.

I doubt the world will give you a veto... sorry. All I am saying is it WILL happen someday.

[jmdrake]

WTF? I don't hate Truthers. I understand the frustration with US foreign policy and the out-of-control federal government that motivates their conspiracies.

I think of Truthers the same as I think of Bigfoot believers, flat earth society members, evolutiion deniers, etc.

The only time I get angry with Truthers is when they hurt Ron Paul by mixing their agenda with his, when Ron has clearly asked them not to.

YOU are the one that brought up 9/11 in this thread so shut up. And quit hiding behind Ron Paul when you don't support his ideas. On the YouTube debate Ron Paul called the North American Union a "conspiracy of ideas". He does NOT support your viewpoint and you are NOT helping his campaign by attacking truthers out of the blue while supporting those Ron Paul is against.

Regards,

John M. Drake

[Pauls' Revere]

Assuming that everyone on the planet wants to live according to this world government view. Communist, socialist,capitalist,imperialist,federalist,monarc hy,tyranny,dictarorial,fasicist,etc...(sigh)...who are we to decide whats best for people on the other side of the world? and visa versa.

[jmdrake]

Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
Any rational human? So Ron Paul isn't rational? Because he's against a one world government and he called that a "conspiracy".

And no. A one world government is NOT rational and it's the exact opposite of everything Ron Paul stands for! Why would a man who's dedicated his life to getting the U.S. out of the U.N. support such a nutty idea? (Yes, if you want a one world government then YOU are the nutjob). Besides, if Ron Paul is against having an overbearing central FEDERAL government why would he want an overbearing central WORLD government? If you think a one world government is a rational idea then you are in the wrong campaign. Giuliani, McCain and Fred Thompson all support that idea. Go join their campaign and send some more 9/11 truthers our way.

Regards,

John M. Drake
Lol dude, thinking the CFR is a peice of shit organization and beleiving 911 was an inside job are two totally different things. It's easy for anyone to see that the CFR's agenda is to subdue US sovereignty.

now the whole 911 thing i think is a load of overblown out of proportioned shit.

"Dude" you're missing the point (as usual). The person I was referring to was comparing concerns about the CFR with 9/11 and basically calling all real Ron Paul supporters stupid. But you're so hung up on being "anti truther" that you didn't catch that. My point is that I'd rather have "truthers" in this campaign that go a bit further than Ron Paul (Ron Paul HAS called the 9/11 commission report garbage and a "cover up of incompetence) than having someone that calls EVERY conspiracy theorist a "bigfoot" and "ufo watcher". By his definition Ron Paul is a kooky conspiracy theorist. But again because you are so myopic in your truther hatred you didn't get it.

Regards,

John M. Drake

[Dibold]

wow, all factual information... no slander in there at all. They even got the "non-interventionist" part correct. I'm kind of shocked to say the least.
Of course, they give their members the right information about Ron Paul that way they know what they are up against.

Then they turn around and give the wrong information about Ron Paul to the public.

[werdd]

"Dude" you're missing the point (as usual). The person I was referring to was comparing concerns about the CFR with 9/11 and basically calling all real Ron Paul supporters stupid. But you're so hung up on being "anti truther" that you didn't catch that. My point is that I'd rather have "truthers" in this campaign that go a bit further than Ron Paul (Ron Paul HAS called the 9/11 commission report garbage and a "cover up of incompetence) than having someone that calls EVERY conspiracy theorist a "bigfoot" and "ufo watcher". By his definition Ron Paul is a kooky conspiracy theorist. But again because you are so myopic in your truther hatred you didn't get it.

Regards,

John M. Drake

your right, i dont. CFR is a tangible organization and idea, where that guy is wrong, and 911 truth is an intangible fabrication, where you are wrong.

Truth be told id rather have everybody that supports Ron Paul, and doesn't intertwine their irrational beleifs with ron pauls campaign.

Thats truth.

[Kenso]

I doubt the world will give you a veto... sorry. All I am saying is it WILL happen someday.

You may well be right. If that's the case, I suppose they will have to plow me under with whoever else is willing to stand up for what is right. If enough people stand against it, it will be that much harder to pull off. Of course, looking at the primary results thus far I don't have a lot of confidence in that either lol.

[jmdrake]

your right, i dont. CFR is a tangible organization and idea, where that guy is wrong, and 911 truth is an intangible fabrication, where you are wrong.

Truth be told id rather have everybody that supports Ron Paul, and doesn't intertwine their irrational beleifs with ron pauls campaign.

Thats truth.

No. Your response to 9/11 truth is a fabrication. 9/11 truth itself is pure fact. It's simply a series of questions that have been ignored by the MSM.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=71855&highlight=questions+caveman

The best 9/11 truth video out there is "9/11 Press For Truth". It doesn't get into "bombs in the buildings" or what hit the Pentagon. It's just a series of questions asked by victims family members that have not even been attempted to be answered. Our freedoms are being taken away based on a "caveman conspiracy theory" that even the FBI hasn't fully endorsed. (Or else they would have it up on Osama Bin Laden's wanted poster.)

Anyway, the point that you are missing is that you're being played by people like the person I was responding to but you don't realize it. He's not suggesting that the CFR doesn't exist, just like I suppose you aren't suggesting that there weren't war games prior to and on 9/11 simulating hijacked jets as flying bombs. But using your same "so what" logic he's attacking the foundation of a lot of what Ron Paul stands for. That there really IS a "conspiracy of ideas" that need to be confronted and stood up against. Really, it would make sense to close ranks and defend Ron Paul, but perhaps you just want to take your pot shots against "truthers" whenever possible. Whatever floats your boat.

Regards,

John M. Drake

[Hook]

I hear if you say 'patriotism' 3 times in the mirror at midnight on Friday the 13th while holding an American flag, then David Rockefeller appears in the mirror and tries to grab you and pull you into the 5th dimension.

Now that is funny stuff right there. :D