KOS - It's like a train wreck.

[angelatc]

I can't quit clicking on the links.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/7/29/131725/973

An attempt to explain why people should not trust Ron Paul, but Billary are saints.

It boggles the mind.

[Syren123]

It's unbelievable. Either they are too lazy to do real research on these traitorous liars, or they are too scared of the reality to believe it. Either way, it's mind boggling.

[michaelwise]

The abject fear in them must be overwhelming.

[DeadheadForPaul]

I think all socialists should just spend one full day observing the inner workings of one of the departments. They will see how inefficient and bloated government bureaucracy has become. Just think about the DMV except your wealth and your health are in the hands of these people. Yikes.

[Syren123]

Living in the Socialist Republic of California, my belief is that most people who advocate socialism are basically lazy.

[freelance]

We have faith in the power of government to change lives for the better

This is enough to make you want to puke. Faith? In government? Oh, God, my hair hurts.

[Lord Xar]

Can you people post ACTUAL facts/data to support your beliefs against theirs? The reason I am saying this is that sometimes you need to "jar" these people... if you convert 1, 2, or 3 of them... then they might then convert one or two..

so, its ALWAYS worthwhile to try and sway another as long as you aren't a creep or forceful about it.

I mean... just point them to all of the socialist countries in the past and present and how it stunts productivity and as a denmark guy said to me once "yes, it makes us lazy because we can just spong off the government and its accepted.." and he didn't like it... he wanted more for himself and his country... I think he was from denmark, I don't want to go back and check my emails..

anywas.... its simple....

[james1906]

Living in the Socialist Republic of California, my belief is that most people who advocate socialism are basically lazy.

my green party supporting pothead cousin is a testament to that

[Lord Xar]

also, someone want to point out that what hillary/obama etc.. want to do is in direct violation of what the founding fathers wanted....

[angelatc]

I was reading a blog where a woman was bemoaning the fact that she was too poor to afford dental care for her son. So she took him to a clinic that was privately funded, but they couldn't treat the abcess, so she called around and found a female dentist sympathetic to her plight who reduced her rate to treat the boy.

So this woman got everything she needed from the compassion of strangers, but apparently was bemoaning the fact that she actually had to seek out the help that she needed or something...

Heck, I've been her, and the experience left me singing the praises of the wonderfully nice people in the free market who gave me a hand up, not crying in my trailer because the government didn't do enough for me.

[Kuldebar]

Is there a polite way to call Kos an asshole baby?

I haven't made up my mind if some people are simply self deluded fools or just purposefully malicious ass hats in spreading misconceptions.

[murph]

Boy, the article was bad enough but the comments were just downright creepy. Clearly they were written by the products of an educational system run by the government they love so much.

[Larofeticus]

too bad i have to wait 24 hours before i can argue with those people.

I have a very simple question i'd like them to answer:

If Ron Pauls policies would result in a greater degree of corporate dominance of our society, then why are the coporations and their media sources not falling overthemselves giving press coverage and money in support of Ron Paul?

[Bloody Holly]

they are just scared that if ron paul were to run as an independant that their team would lose. team thinkers are annoying because they fail to do any research on individuals and instead they whine about republicans being team thinkers yet they have proven that they are too.

Let them be scared. It proves they care more about the color blue and their team rather than ending the war in Iraq and all these issues that they've supposedly have been against. If they want to be smurfs fine. They can sing La La La La La La....La La La La Laaaaa all day. It's sad that they really don't care about the issues after all.

[joshdvm]

I wish someone as knowledgeable as Thomas DiLorenzo (or the man himself!) would come along and drive a stake through the heart of that thread. That would be delicious.

[inibo]

just point them to all of the socialist countries in the past and present and how it stunts productivity

Part of the problem is most of them don't think of themselves as socialists. It's hard to see single payer as anything but socialist, though given the corruption in DC it is the HMOs, healthcare providers and their lobbyist who would end up writing the legislation so we'd probably end up with some sort of fascist monstrosity dressed up in those cute little bunny scrubs.

[LibertyEagle]

too bad i have to wait 24 hours before i can argue with those people.

I have a very simple question i'd like them to answer:

If Ron Pauls policies would result in a greater degree of corporate dominance of our society, then why are the coporations and their media sources not falling overthemselves giving press coverage and money in support of Ron Paul?

They are confusing Dr. Paul's stances with the corporatism that is rampant today. Big pharma, big agra, etc., benefiting off of government largesse and huge lobbies paying off our congressmen to get favored legislation passed for them. I think they are concerned that Dr. Paul's policies will lead to more corporatism, when in fact, they will reverse it. This used to be a point of confusion in my own mind.

http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0411e.asp

[Sean]

I am going to say growing up in a working poor household myself, most of our hassles and expenses would be government related. Smog checks, high fines for minor traffic violations, high property taxes even though my parents sent us to Catholic schools instead of the horrible public schools in the area. People just need to realize what a bad deal government involvement in their life is. All those 35 years of taxes and Social Security my father paid into and never got jack for it before he died.

[TheConstitutionLives]

That article is SO ignorant I can't even bring myself to reply to it. The Kool-Aid is flowing bigtime with that little write-up.

[freelance]

We have faith in the power of government to change lives for the better

I'm not sure what part of that needs explanation after the prior 14.5 years. Life is just too short to relive the past two administrations.

Can we start with the FEMA response to Katrina?

[joshdvm]

That article is SO ignorant I can't even bring myself to reply to it. The Kool-Aid is flowing bigtime with that little write-up.

I hear you, but I think that the majority of Americans holds these views to one degree or another--the Hobbesian belief that without government, society would descend into chaos and we'd all live brutish, short, nasty, miserable lives.

I'd say this view is probably the #1 biggest obstacle to acceptance of what Ron Paul represents, and, no matter how ignorant, it needs to be constantly challenged.

[hard@work]

How did everyone miss the reason why KoS is addressing this? You guys need to know this! The democratic party is losing members in handfuls to the Ron Paul campaign. They need to be pushed, and pushed hard.

The unifying message is freedom and democracy. Ron Paul represents the best hope for these bullshit terms: "liberal" and "conservative". They are labels used to deride each other and seperate you from your brothers. The ONLY term that matters right now is American.

Democrats and Republicans are comming together for Dr. No. Let's keep that moving, KoS is freaking out then good! Let's talk to them more.

[Capitalism]

Just to clarify, KOS himself did not write that, but it is posted on his blog.

Unfortunately, partisan hacks in the Democratic party will always continue to ignore the piles of empirical evidence that the Federal Reserve started the Depression and the federal government perpetuated it.

Wherever these big government liberals look, they see how wonderful the government is. They never look at the effects of all their coercive so-called charity. They don't give a shit about people who lose their homes to eminent domain so cities can squeeze more taxes out of a business rather than a home. They don't care about people who can't afford to send their kids to good schools because their property taxes are so goddamn high. They don't care about people having to surrender a third of their income they worked so hard for to the federal government so the government can pretend it's some charitable organization. I remember reading about Mario Cuomo's son, I think his name is Andrew, who was HUD secretary under Clinton. He'd open new HUD projects in his home state and act like he's a philanthropist. This was supposed to help him in his campaign for governor of NY, but it wasn't enough.

As for corruption under Ron Paul, who is this moron trying to kid? There won't be any room for corruption, because the government will be too damn small to hand out benefits. Perhaps the author didn't notice but Ron Paul does all of the following:

Does not take part in the Congressional pension racket
Always votes against Congressional pay raises
Always returns a substantial portion of his Congressional office's budget back to the taxpayers
Did not let his children use federal student aid
Did not take medicaid or medicare as a doctor but still helped low income patients
Does not take taxpayer-funded junkets


OK, so most of those are things he does NOT do, which are probably more important.

Does this sound like a man who can be bought?

[billv]

After reading the posts, my only comfort, and this isn't a very comforting thought, is that these people are in for a rude awakening when our economy finally tanks and puts some fiscal discipline into our system. Then their precious socialist utopia will be gone.

[conner_condor]

We want to live in peace. We want our rights to be reconized by the laws of the land. When the laws was written they was within the guide lines of the bible. The words written in our constitution was not to be altered or re defined by lawyers. Technology changes but where we came from does not. Be an atheist or a buhda or a christian or a muslim. Our laws was written for all to follow and obey. The constitution is our freedom and our forefathers wrote these laws that all can be free. The waiste of money comes from these local magistrates who have no fucking clue about our rights and the constitution is down right disgrace to our country. The state is no better. They make laws that are unconstitutional and place fines on us that are illegal to do also. I am tired of this BS. I am tired of people who just say allright I will pay the fine. No more. No fucking more can we let them do this to us. No more can we let them operate their agenda in our country. This is not what america is about and we have been asleep to fucking long to let this continue. I hope we can take this country back. For it is ours and not the likes of them. It hurts quite a bit what we have let our country become. We start at the magistrates and go up from there to show them, we are the people and we know the law of the land.

[foofighter20x]

After reading the posts, my only comfort, and this isn't a very comforting thought, is that these people are in for a rude awakening when our economy finally tanks and puts some fiscal discipline into our system. Then their precious socialist utopia will be gone.

Sadly, that's not how they'll see it. They'll blame it on the free market and not on government.

What they don't realize is that we don't have a free market right now. We have a corporatist/fascist market with maybe a small handful of markets nested within.

[constituent]

didn't kos work for reagen in some capacity?

isn't he now on the DNC payroll?

[JoshLowry]

How did everyone miss the reason why KoS is addressing this? You guys need to know this! The democratic party is losing members in handfuls to the Ron Paul campaign. They need to be pushed, and pushed hard.

The unifying message is freedom and democracy. Ron Paul represents the best hope for these bullshit terms: "liberal" and "conservative". They are labels used to deride each other and seperate you from your brothers. The ONLY term that matters right now is American.

Democrats and Republicans are comming together for Dr. No. Let's keep that moving, KoS is freaking out then good! Let's talk to them more.

Kind of a neat conversation, pulling people in from all over indeed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RweNFJVmWHk

I am so happy people are voting based on the issues and not the party.