Poll: Do you believe a group of global elite have a plan to subvert U.S. sovereignty?

[mconder]

Do you believe a group of global elite have a plan to subvert U.S. sovereignty in favor of a system of global government, were all nations are transformed into vassal states, fully subservient to a global governing body?

I'm just curious how many people on RP forums believe this. I am a believer.

[CoreyBowen999]

yes

[thomaspaine23]

Um yeah, david rockefeller said as much in his biography

go to amazon, search for his biography.
you can do a word search on the book, search for the word "cabal " it will com back with page 405.
read it.

[liberty_Forever]

yes .


"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."


Henry Kissinger
(1923- ) Former US Secretary of State
Source:

Speaking at Evian, France, May 21, 1992. Bilderburgers meeting. Unbeknownst to Kissinger, his speech was taped by a Swiss delegate to the meeting

[thomaspaine23]

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - From Rockefeller's "Memoirs", (p.405).


http://www.answers.com/topic/david-rockefeller

[ClayTrainor]

Um yeah, david rockefeller said as much in his biography

go to amazon, search for his biography.
you can do a word search on the book, search for the word "cabal " it will com back with page 405.
read it.

also if you haven't watched it yet, the Benjamin Fulford interview is pretty revealing as well.

[crink]

Absolutely

[Cleaner44]

The gloabal elitists have told us they have a plan. Why would I not believe them considering I can see it being implemented?

[mconder]

The "yes" vote is much higher than I expected. My next question is to ask why all those who voted yes believe the rulers of the world would let Ron Paul anywhere near the White House? I support him because I have faith that occasionally the truth prevails against the darkness. I was hoping this could be one of those times.

[liberty_Forever]

Well, I look it as follows....

We are building a network of supporters and information which will enable us to use political power outside the calcified channels of the mass media.

[JenaS62]

No doubt about it.

[gaazn]

yes, they're called hedge funds.

[brent352]

duh

[ronpaulfollower999]

Who, voted no??

[piotr1]

Who, voted no??

trolls

[EvilNight]

I believe there's a group out there trying to accomplish these things somewhere.

I also believe they are high on crack if they think it'll happen the way they seem to want it to happen. They are amateurs and fools for the most part, no ideas, no brilliance, no vision, just Orwell's old boot-on-the-neck philosophy. The simple truth is that these people are far too disconnected from reality to ever have the knowledge necessary to achieve their goals. Sooner or later they'll screw it up and expose their hand too early (and I think it may be very, very soon).

I mean, honestly, they think that if it's the law people will obey it. If not they'll just round us up and put us away. They've forgotten that every second of every day, they depend upon everyday people to keep their great game running. It stops the instant we all decide it stops, because they have no power at all. We have it all. We always will.

I think Tyler Durden said it best. "Look, the people you are after are the people you depend on. We cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls, we drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep. Do not... fuck with us."

And now we have telepresence (aka The Internet). Good luck stopping it. We're already a global society. We just don't have everyone tuned in to the same web page yet. It's going to happen on its own, on our terms, not on theirs.

Calling them globalists gives honest globalists a bad name. These people are dictators, tyrants, and despots. They don't want a functioning worldwide society. They want control of the entire human race. Luckily nobody who is dumb enough to have that idea is smart enough to implement it.

[d991]

I voted "no" because I don't think there's a "plan" put together to do this. I rather believe that there is a large group of people who have this philosophy of "globalism" pounded into their heads. It is more a philosophical "plan" than an elaborate plan by a shady cabal of men in business suits.

Obviously it feels better to believe there is some tight knit group pulling the strings because it gives people the belief that all they need to do is uncover this mass conspiracy and everything will go back to normal. The reality is much more grave than that. The reality is that people need to change the mentality of the general population, and that is a very difficult thing to do....

[ifthenwouldi]

d991, your rationalism won't get you anywhere. ;)

I agree completely.

[liberty_Forever]

Thanks for the explanation my friend!

Any other "no" votes want to post arguments? I'm very interested in hearing spectrum of opinions!

[syborius]

The "yes" vote is much higher than I expected. My next question is to ask why all those who voted yes believe the rulers of the world would let Ron Paul anywhere near the White House? I support him because I have faith that occasionally the truth prevails against the darkness. I was hoping this could be one of those times.

it will be hard to overcome the election fraud and derail their plan that has been in the works for a long-long-long time.

[EvilNight]

I like to think like d991, but this blackout of Ron Paul has presented me with enough evidence to start taking the idea of some kind of media-control group seriously.

[Kotin]

this is useless!!

how is this helping Ron Paul get the GOP nomination?

[CelestialRender]

I would have liked some more gray area options. I chose "yes", but I don't believe all the hype on this issue.

[fmontez]

Do you believe a group of global elite have a plan to subvert U.S. sovereignty in favor of a system of global government, were all nations are transformed into vassal states, fully subservient to a global governing body?

I'm just curious how many people on RP forums believe this. I am a believer.

No.

[evandi]

this is useless!!

how is this helping Ron Paul get the GOP nomination?

How is this hurting?

We are not a bunch of fucking robots. Maybe we like talking.

[liberty_Forever]

Yeah, I agree. This isn't hurting anything.

I said "yes" but I like hearing from other opinions.

[Chernitsky]

yes

look at the history of our world

[Maximilian American]

Yes, its obvious with most of the events that have taken place in the last 100 years:

1913: "Federal" reserve act
1917: Entering WW1 instead of leaving alone so that the war would end in a stalemate and that there would be no future for fascism in Germany.
1929: Great depression, direct result of inflation caused by the fed.

Just to name a few from a many.

[Broadlighter]

The "yes" vote is much higher than I expected. My next question is to ask why all those who voted yes believe the rulers of the world would let Ron Paul anywhere near the White House? I support him because I have faith that occasionally the truth prevails against the darkness. I was hoping this could be one of those times.

I've thought about this and my paranoid mind says that these people are planning something major and they are allowing Ron Paul to campaign as a way to test the waters. They want to see how fast or slow they should proceed with their plans.

These people have had this agenda for a long time, long before the creation of the Federal Reserve, maybe as far back as the post Revolutionary War period.

Part of the problem is the world is becoming more populated, which means these global elites are actually getting smaller and smaller by comparison to the overall population. They need to make drastic reductions in the world's population in order to maintain control. They do this through wars, famines, disease epidemics and natural disasters. They also need to gauge how many people are on to their game and work to counteract their moves.

I think the next big move is the merger of the American states, not just North America.

[smtwngrl]

Yes, there are those who want global government and think it would be good. Call it, as Ron Paul says, a difference of ideas.

The intermediate step towards that end is regional government. There is the European Union. When it was started, the member nations were told it wouldn't affect sovereignty. But it is to the point, now, that it does.

There is also the African Union. I don't know much about it; until a year or so ago, I had never heard of this. But if you read about it in Wikipedia, you see that one of their goals is a common currency.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Union

A North American Union is also in the plans.

[fmontez]

I seriously think anyone that can give a "yes" to your orginal question needs some.. help. We are free to speak, but at some point you really have to step in and evaluate if someone is operating on a full six pack. I assume most of the "yes" answer are connected to anger at the system.

[ItsTime]

its no secret HTTP://CFR.ORG

[Broadlighter]

Another thought. I agree with the poster that this is a philosophical plan. However, ideology on its own, never gets its head out of the clouds. Pragmatism accounts for the actions of these people.

I wouldn't call it a plan insomuch as an agenda. The methodology is in place - wars, economic cycles, political issues and so forth.

I think the best way to understand this is to understand the difference between common or natural law and political law.

Richard Maybury covered this very well in his book "Whatever Happened to Justice."

In a nutshell, natural law is based on observance of nature and the seeking of truth. As a people we try to arrive at what holds up as true and determine the laws of the land based on that discovery. The U.S. Constitution and the Magna Carta were attempts to codify natural law.

Political law is the law of tyrants and despots. It's the law that says whatever I say goes.

The Globalist movement is the modern day front for those who believe in political law.

The freedom movement is today's champion of natural law principles.

As time passes these movements morph and change as events shape them and as individuals contribute to them. However, the basic notions of natural and political law remain the same.

If we wish to remain free, we need to become more intelligent in discerning the the differences between those approaches to law. Political law will always try to find a way to circumvent natural law.

[greeksta59]

o hell yea! and i thank Alex Jones for waking me up to it! RIP Aaron Russo

Go watch the interview with Russo and Jones on google....chilling!

[dirknb@hotmail.com]

Anyone who doesn't think so is assisting with their own enslavement. It's the only reason the U.N. exists.

[Lance C Roseman]

The "yes" vote is much higher than I expected. My next question is to ask why all those who voted yes believe the rulers of the world would let Ron Paul anywhere near the White House? I support him because I have faith that occasionally the truth prevails against the darkness. I was hoping this could be one of those times.

From what I've gleaned, according to their rules, they must tell us what they are going to do with us, and give us a way out. Watch the 'Wickerman', the old version is better.

[shasshas]

actually ITS A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE GLOBAL GOVERNMENT

there's no "enslavement" going on you silly wusses.

its just the natural ebb an flow of geopolitics and economics.

imagine you lived in a dormitory full of different people and you had to live together and keep the place clean together. WELL? WOULDN'T YOU FORM A MANAGING GROUP????!

well duh, RON PAUL WANTS the SAME THING. GLOBAL COOPERATION. But of course he doesn't want the US to lose its independence. He is just slightly more to the independent side of the spectrum.

[greeksta59]

WELL there is already an assassination discussion thas already been brought up.... go search "alex jones ron paul assassination"

[wildflower]

There is no denying that US sovereignty has been subverted, or at least eroded. Look at NAFTA, CAFTA, the WTO, the plans for the NAU, etc, etc.

I'm not sure how anyone can deny that.

As far as a specific plan for an unfree 'new world order', well that's a different question. But in regard to the erosion of our sovereignty, it's clear that has happened. Anyone who thinks otherwise is being naive or is uninformed.

[wildflower]

actually ITS A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE GLOBAL GOVERNMENT


:rolleyes: Don't make me break out the t word.

[mport1]

Wow, that is a discouraging total. Guess RP supporters were even more out there than I thought.

[wildflower]

Wow, that is a discouraging total. Guess RP supporters were even more out there than I thought.


RP himself talks about the fact that there are people with ideological differences who want global government. Is Paul crazy for saying that? As I said in my earlier post, it can't be denied that our sovereignty is being eroded, are you going to deny that too? And call that crazy?

[MN Patriot]

I seriously think anyone that can give a "yes" to your orginal question needs some.. help. We are free to speak, but at some point you really have to step in and evaluate if someone is operating on a full six pack. I assume most of the "yes" answer are connected to anger at the system.

Help with WHAT? A lobotomy? Several decades in isolation and constant brainwashing until we exhibit correct thinking?

I am angry at the system. We are told we have a capitalist economy. Why do we have a communist income tax? Since when were we designated as slaves to the government?

Are you happy with the fraudulent Social Security pyramid scheme? What happens when taxes are 20%, 30%, or more?

Are you happy with a schizo foreign policy that we have to pay for? A world empire military?

All those things didn't just happen to come about by accident. People had to have planned for their establishment and propogation. The CFR and their apologists can deny they have any influence in our national policies, but there is too much evidence that they do have a much bigger influence.

If you are happy with income taxes, fiat currency, a bloated government, expanding socialism and corporate fascism, etc etc, why are are even here as a Ron Paul supporter?

[Chibioz]

If you don't believe it than you haven't done enough research

[Jagwarr]

A couple weeks ago the History channel (I think) had a show on about Hitler and the books he wrote. Part of the show talked about how people and in particular leaders have throughout history often wrote what they thought but for some reason people and the masses do not take them at their word.

They did not mention Rockefeller but if you read some of his writings and understand that he is the person who is behind many if not all of these pushes towards globalism it's obvious to me that there is a subvertive effort going on behind the scenes.

These guys may really think their ideas are good for the human race but so did Hitler. If you don't think there is such an organized movement towards globalism then perhaps you should consider reading some of Rockefellers writings and what orgs. he has single handedly started.

[Jagwarr]

nm

[matterweisen]

i voted yes. If the "mainstream" candidates are denying that any talk of the north american union even exists.. you know that they are liars.. so you have to believe that there is a more sinister plot behind the scenes. If people lie about one thing, what is stopping them from lying about everything?

[mrchubbs]

I'd also suggest that 100 years from now Mr. Rockefeller will most likely be viewed as either the father of the modern day world or one of the most insane criminal minds in the history of the world, which drove humanity to nuclear war.

I don't think there will be much of a middle ground.

And according to McCain we'll still be in Iraq. :)

I voted 'no' because the question was worded in an Alex Jones "sensationalized" tone and I don't know if I believe it or not. 'Maybe' wasn't an option. Maybe I haven't researched it enough.

I guess my head is in the sand thinking of ways to get Ron Paul more votes instead of thinking about how the elites of the world are out to get me.

Maybe after Ron Paul drops out I'll do some more research, but I only have so much "free" time right now.

Do another poll and add "Maybe" as an option and I'd pick that.

Enjoy.

[Elliott]

The "yes" vote is much higher than I expected. My next question is to ask why all those who voted yes believe the rulers of the world would let Ron Paul anywhere near the White House? I support him because I have faith that occasionally the truth prevails against the darkness. I was hoping this could be one of those times.

How close is he really to the White House? I think his only real chance is as a 3rd party candidate, but if he did win I'm afraid and almost certain that he would be assassinated almost immediately. I hope that doesn't happen because I love the guy, but he's at the heart of a movement that is despised by the most villainous people in the world. Mossad probably has their guys on standby orders as we speak.

[integrity]

I seriously think anyone that can give a "yes" to your orginal question needs some.. help. We are free to speak, but at some point you really have to step in and evaluate if someone is operating on a full six pack. I assume most of the "yes" answer are connected to anger at the system.

I am sick of your smug little assuming comments, TROLL. I do not need help, I am not short of a six pack or whatever you are insinuating. Go back to FAUXLAND where you came from.

[Carole]

This question does not belong on this forum.

Please take it elsewhere.

If I did or did not believe it I would never put it on this board. :D :eek:

[Dr.3D]

I seriously think anyone that can give a "yes" to your orginal question needs some.. help. We are free to speak, but at some point you really have to step in and evaluate if someone is operating on a full six pack. I assume most of the "yes" answer are connected to anger at the system.

Yeah, I guess you think most everybody is out of step but my Johnny.

Pull your head out and do a little research!

It is all right their in front of you if you know how to use a search engine instead of watching the telly.

[PatriotOne]

Wow, that is a discouraging total. Guess RP supporters were even more out there than I thought.


Hey don't take our word for it. How about from Bush Sr's own mouth?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CWBTL33MpA

Don't believe Bush? How about Prime Minister Brown's own mouth?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0M1NJjiSvw

Or are they too "out there" for you also? Now you just have to figure out what they mean by "New World Order".

[merrimac]

Yes,
Watch Freedom To Fascism or read The Creature from Jekyl Island and it's a no brainer.

[Patriot123]

Yes, but people twist this to the extent where it does sound like a conspiracy. The 'elites' are in reference to big corporations and big banks. So 'elite' really isn't the appropriate word. Corporations, big businesses and big banks are the more appropriate terms. But in all reality, they are technically definable as elites.

[smileylovesfreedom]

No.