Is it time to DROP the "Revolution" banners?

[RonRules]

We need OLD people to vote for Ron Paul. 45% of Republican voters in Nevada were OVER THE AGE OF 60. This is a fact.

Florida will have similar numbers.

The Revolution banners (and the banner on the Blimp) have served their purpose, which got us an army of young enthusiastic supporters. Done, check.

Now we need a new strategy, because the BULK of voters are ABOVE 60 years old.

It's time for new banners:

"An Honest President !",
"A Doctor for President !",
"50 years of marriage, a President ?"
"Never voted for an earmark, a President ?"
"Never lied, never will, a President ?"

Please add to my list.

[garyallen59]

wrong

[Patriot0811]

what's wrong about using new banners to attract the old majority vote? To them it seems Revolution might be too radical a word.

[Eponym_mi]

wrong

I think you're being far too dismissive of the effect this slogan may be having on the older demographic.

[merrimac]

All old people are interested in is leeching off of the youth of America through social security. Stuff like "honesty" doesn't appeal to them anymore.

[painter4Ron Paul]

okey dokkey

[robert4rp08]

I agree. The rEVOLution banners are nice if you know who Ron Paul is in the first place. If you have no clue who he is, they're pointless. Issue banners are the way to go, e.g.,

No Amnesty, Ron Paul 2008
No Taxes, Ron Paul 2008
Stop Government Theft, Ron Paul 2008
etc.......

[Ben Elliott]

I can see it now!

the "Ron Paul Resuscitation"

[garyallen59]

i have spoken with many elderly voters in east tn who love being part of the revolution

[Chester Copperpot]

We need OLD people to vote for Ron Paul. 45% of Republican voters in Nevada were OVER THE AGE OF 60. This is a fact.

Florida will have similar numbers.

The Revolution banners (and the banner on the Blimp) have served their purpose, which got us an army of young enthusiastic supporters. Done, check.

Now we need a new strategy, because the BULK of voters are ABOVE 60 years old.

It's time for new banners:

"An Honest President !",
"A Doctor for President !",
"50 years of marriage, a President ?"
"Never voted for an earmark, a President ?"
"Never lied, never will, a President ?"

Please add to my list.

SAVE SOCIAL SECURITY = VOTE RON PAUL

[Mastiff]

All old people are interested in is leeching off of the youth of America through social security. Stuff like "honesty" doesn't appeal to them anymore.

Actually, they have a right to their benefits at this point. They paid in as instructed and should get what was promised. RP has stated such as well. The young should be able to opt out at the same time.

In any case, I totally agree about the revolution thing. I've hated it from day 1. I'm 37 years old, FWIW, but it's not that it's radical so much, it's just that the backwards love thing stinks of retro hippie. That puts off conservative voters.

If you want to go mainstream, you have to act at least a little mainstream. The love thing is just plain weird. IMO

[UnitedWeStand]

I do think it's time for a new slogan, for sure. We arent selling rebellion, we're selling sanity. Its the knowledge of overwhelming odds stacked against us that feeds taht rebellious 1776 feeling...to those lulled to sleep over the decades or to those who trust that things are still as safe and constitutional as ever--the idea of revolution seems quite fringe im afraid. Its only those of us who realize we need a change who are swelled by it.

<I also think the the *evol* part of revolution looks like *evil* and might be preventing some good people form even looking into us>


I like, for the likely voter older crowd--

-A Doctor for President!! (everyone wants their kids to be doctors and presidents dont they?)also implies what a genius he is..also how healthy and spry he is
-30 years in congress, 30 years of honesty!
-It's time for Truth!
-Ask your kids about Ron Paul!! j/k=)

[Sarge]

As an older voter, I can assure you that I am not for leaching off the young.

Now if you are taking the attitude, that I am getting Social Security that I paid into is leaching, I don't agree. I do agree the young should be able to opt out and invest there own money. I always wanted to be able to do that. I have great insurance, but am required to be on Medicare and the ins secondary. I wish it was not so, and they could cover what they will cover.

It is this kind of attitude, on blaming older people for everything, that will turn them off. We need to educate them as it is obvious the younger ones are not showing up to vote.

My thoughts are less Revolution banners and more Vote for Ron Paul so they check him out. Time is running out. That will not mean the Revolution is going away.

[joelfarm]

"I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. " Thomas Jefferson

[Alabama Supporter]

Revolution needs to be moderated.

RP's marketing team should lead the way if they have one. Image is something that would be nice to come from top down.

[familydog]

I know some old people who thought the Ron Paul Revolution was some sort of cult until I educated them. I can only image the vastness of elderly who will not be educated by the time comes to vote.

[westmich4paul]

All old people are interested in is leeching off of the youth of America through social security. Stuff like "honesty" doesn't appeal to them anymore.

Just the single most ingnorant statement I have heard in here for at least the last 2 weeks. Grow some then come postin.

[PimpBlimp]

no

[hawks4ronpaul]

The facts are that a year of revolution has yielded youth supporters but not nearly enough elderly supporters.

Action and energy is good for all ages.

"Securing our future."

(HQ's "Hope for America" is positive but passive.)

Specific issue slogans are better for specific age groups.


http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

[JMann]

I agree. It is time for the campaign to appear more mainstream and not a fringe Revolution.

[Eponym_mi]

I know some old people who thought the Ron Paul Revolution was some sort of cult until I educated them.

The GOP estalishment in my county, dominated by old timers, thinks exactly that...we're a cult. RP's grassroots must start appealing to the mainstream, or RP will be stuck at 10%. We can't win without them.

[dkim68]

The Revolution banners (and the banner on the Blimp) have served their purpose, which got us an army of young enthusiastic supporters. Done, check.
The Revolution has yet to happen. This lies in record breaking voter turnout. The Revolution theme can still attract young voters to Ron Paul between now and November. So, no. It's not done.

[merrimac]

Just the single most ingnorant statement I have heard in here for at least the last 2 weeks. Grow some then come postin.

I was exaggerating but there is some truth to it. At this point in their lives they should know that all of these other politicians who are promising change are lying. Most just want someone who will keep the socialist system or make it even more socialistic. Sorry, it's the truth.

[thegr8drronpaul]

I see what you mean. 'Revolution' could have a radical connotation to elders/super hard core conservatives. We don't need to do away with it, but when targeting that group, I'd go for something else.

edit: Unfortunately the reason I say to maybe consider this is because the media has only pointed out the 'crazy' supporters, not us normal folks. It's these viewers who have seen only those reports, that might need a new word.

[RonRules]

If "This lies in record breaking voter turnout", and we're getting 10%, 8%, 6%, 0%, 4% except for Nevada, do you really think the Revolution message is working? Don't you see a trend here? Look at the Florida polls. That's going to be another 4%.

Look people: it's SCARING people. Tone down the anger, yelling and put pants on the strippers.

We need a new batch of super nice DVD's for the elderly, clean professionally made signs that actually say or explain something.

[familydog]

I was exaggerating but there is some truth to it. At this point in their lives they should know that all of these other politicians who are promising change are lying. Most just want someone who will keep the socialist system or make it even more socialistic. Sorry, it's the truth.

..And there is some truth in that for every elderly "leech," i can find you two young yuppies who think socialism is the hippist thing...and they fight very hard for it.

[UnitedWeStand]

"Securing our future."


http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/


Now that is a good one..implies strong defense as well as fiscal responsibility etc.. I really like this one!

[Edu]

"Join the Ron Paul Anti-Brainwash Movement"

[ecliptic]

I never liked the use of EVOL in the word revolution. HELLO - evil? evol? Not something I'm interested in promoting. That's basically what we are fighting. And no people don't read backwards as a rule. Yet for me this IS a revolution. The rLOVEution. I'll spell the name any damn way I please, thank you very much. It really is all about the LOVE. And I agree that sounds "hippie" and well... too bad. If you have ingrained hate towards "hippies" then you are: part of the problem with this country & behaving in a divisive manner and thus harming Ron Paul 2008. Ditto for all forms of hatred towards other perceived "groups" which are really phony labels which can only foster division. If you embrace the LOVE and practice random acts of unity with the other diverse members of Ron Paul 2008 then you are helping get it done.

How do we make friends with the older voting demographic ( there's one of those "labels" ... ! ) and do so in a genuine way? How do we continue to increase our 17 - 29 demographic numbers AND the older voters simultaneously without being "two-faced" or phony? Let's put the "forum supercomputer" to work on bringing older voters TOGETHER with young folks.

• Report any post which is derogatory towards old people. Let's chase the divisive words outta here ( virtual and real-world ). That's what I do whenever I see "old people suck". Get outta here with that kinda talk. Act like you are sitting in the Paul's living room having some coffee and kind conversation. Respect your elders. Learn from the youth of today, as well...

• we need an approach towards older voters which is respectful and makes good sense. A new "sound byte" is probably not a bad idea. I'm not going to abandon "rloveution" nor hide it, but I see the need for an alternate. What is the best most effective honest approach to older voters? What is the best emphasis of Ron Paul's platform?

[constituent]

All old people are interested in is leeching off of the youth of America through social security. Stuff like "honesty" doesn't appeal to them anymore.

oh come on, but they're "the greatest generation" we owe it to them for single-handedly destroying fascism...


right?

[RockEnds]

So it was okay to have the Reagan revolution, but not the Ron Paul revolution?

This may be news to some, but no matter what we do, what words we use, and how 'normal' we try to appear, the media will attempt to smear us.

People aren't afraid of Revolution banners. They're afraid of losing what they have. They're afraid of losing their income. They're afraid of losing their independence. They're afraid of poverty and financial ruin. Reagan sold small government by telling people it would improve their quality of life. That's what people want to hear--that they'll be better off.

[Voodoo]

That's a great idea. Make some stencils and get painting and hanging! We can never have too many signs out there.

[Knightskye]

It's the Ron Paul Revolution, and we're not dropping it.

[robert4rp08]

So it was okay to have the Reagan revolution, but not the Ron Paul revolution?

This may be news to some, but no matter what we do, what words we use, and how 'normal' we try to appear, the media will attempt to smear us.

People aren't afraid of Revolution banners. They're afraid of losing what they have. They're afraid of losing their income. They're afraid of losing their independence. They're afraid of poverty and financial ruin. Reagan sold small government by telling people it would improve their quality of life. That's what people want to hear--that they'll be better off.

I love the Ron Paul rEVOLution banners. My opinion is that we should continue to put them up, BUT we should also put up banners that deliver the message.

As a person that never heard of Ron Paul..... If I saw a Ron Paul rEVOLution banner, I would have 0 reason to look him up. If I saw a "No Income Tax: Ron Paul 2008" banner, I would look him up.

[wowabunga]

The older generation has computers but I PROMISE YOU FROM HARD EARNED EXPERIENCE they still like to see thier news in hard copy format. I sell classic cars and have sold very very few cars via the web... most sales occur from long established automotive magazines and weekly paper classifieds.

If you want to reach the older folks you need to knock on their door and hand them something that is quick and powerful.

To all my older pals on the web who have mastered the internet, who understand the power of the web, and who use it daily to send me funny emails.... I salute you...!!!

[Montana Patriot]

All old people are interested in is leeching off of the youth of America through social security. Stuff like "honesty" doesn't appeal to them anymore.

I disagree with your statement that they are only interested in "leeching off the youth of America" they are only expecting to have money returned to them that was involuntarily taken from them via the SSN tax. They also know that that system is broken and that their children and grandchildren are also paying into the system and may never get their money back unless it is fixed/protected from the political machine in Washinton that thinks that they can raid this fund for anything. I find this sad coming from a fellow Montanan I would think that you would know the value of our elders and the important part that they play in our communities/family's especially here in Montana. Furthermore honesty is probably the one value that they hold above all else especially from politicians as they have heard just about every lie that could be told in there old age:D. BTW I am not a senior citizen I am 44yrs old and work for a living I hate the SSN tax that is taken from me and only hope that I can get it back someday my only hope is that the younger generation can step away from their xbox's, cellphone's and ipod's long enough to get an EDUCATION and step up to the plate and GET A JOB and show some HONEST work ethic's

P.S. keep the banner:D

[yongrel]

My grandfather is an avid Ron Paul supporter, but he hates the revolution banners. He does not hate the concept of a revolution, since he often compares it to the glorious revolution of 1800. However, he has this to say on the matter(direct quote):

"I don't want to be part of some goddamn punk band! Those damn banners make Ron Paul look like he has pink hair and body piercings!"

[homah]

I disagree with your statement that they are only interested in "leeching off the youth of America" they are only expecting to have money returned to them that was involuntarily taken from them via the SSN tax.

Bingo. They paid into the system, they deserve to receive the benefits. It is the government that is leeching off the youth of America.

[RonRules]

"So it was okay to have the Reagan revolution"

Ronald Regan did not get elected with Revolution posters, bandannas and bull horns.

Hi did effect an revolution, but he got elected the OLD FASHION WAY. By convincing the majority of voters (the old people) to vote for him.

We need to dig up his old posters and mailouts to see what they said.

[RonRules]

Who was Reagan's campaign manager?

[parke]

I wish the blimp just had: Google Ron Paul and 877-RON-PAUL

[Thurston Howell III]

All old people are interested in is leeching off of the youth of America through social security. Stuff like "honesty" doesn't appeal to them anymore.

Hey bud! I've contributed to social security for 45 years. How much have you put in?

Want to reach the old folks? Here's what I posted in another thread:

I'm sorry to say, the only way to reach the old folks is to scare them. Why do you think they support McCain? Because he told them the boogey man was coming to this country to kill them.

So, what's the one thing they are more afraid of then that? Their financial security! Their life's savings is wrapped up in stocks, cd's and government bonds. They LIVE off of their savings. They don't realise the threat that exists to their financial security. When they do, they will listen. You have no idea how frightening the loss of their nest egg is to them. It's huge. Their biggest fear is that they will outlive their savings. So go for it. Put some fear in them. Just don't preach to them. Talk with them, not to them.

[DGambler]

I'm 34, I love the Revolution theme.

When talking to my parents (in their 60's), I had to overcome that Revolution theme; they want "change" but they see "Revolution" as radical. You have to sell to different demographics differently and show them what is in it for them. Sorry, but the Presidential race is about selling a product, based on some of the responses in this thread, you might not understand that quite yet.

I also agree with the guy right above me, we need to be talking to older people about the economy and how hyper-inflation is going to wipe out their savings (of course, you do have to back it up with facts).

[Am3RiCaN_microcosm]

We need a new batch of super nice DVD's for the elderly, clean professionally made signs that actually say or explain something.

QFT - I agree that we need a << Nationwide - under the radar - blanket coverage - Highly respectable - DVD InfoBOMB!!! >>

However, my 2 cents on the 'revolution' is this: Can't we have more than one logo? Use revolution for college towns and related demographics, and use a new logo for elsewhere? I don't think it would hurt to have both.....after all we have to appeal to both demographics at the same time, dont we?

[Thurston Howell III]

http://mwhodges.home.att.net/inflation.htm#dollarvalue

[RockEnds]

"So it was okay to have the Reagan revolution"

Ronald Regan did not get elected with Revolution posters, bandannas and bull horns.

Hi did effect an revolution, but he got elected the OLD FASHION WAY. By convincing the majority of voters (the old people) to vote for him.

We need to dig up his old posters and mailouts to see what they said.

No, Reagan didn't have Revolution banners. But it's become very socially acceptable to refer to the his political impact as the Reagan revolution. The term is used repeatedly in the media. It's never ridiculed as fringe.

There wasn't much old-fashioned about his campaign, either. He was very, very good at polishing his image. He was a master at using the press.

[DGambler]

http://mwhodges.home.att.net/inflation.htm#dollarvalue

That is a great article with great graphics... however, it needs to be dumbed down considerably... we have to think about this the same way product companies do.... in a 30 second soundbite... it is sad, but true.

[Spirit of '76]

The problem with the banners is that they look homemade because they are homemade.

Now I know that in reality that is a good thing, in that it shows Ron support comes from real grassroots supporters, but the sad fact is that they look unprofessional and reflect poorly on Ron.

The average voter doesn't take them seriously.

[Bob Spruill]

I have never liked the 'rEVOLution' banner.

EVOL seems too similar to EVIL

It took weeks for me to figure out what it meant

But, then again, I am one of those old folks ya'll hate so much.

[Am3RiCaN_microcosm]

That is a great article with great graphics... however, it needs to be dumbed down considerably... we have to think about this the same way product companies do.... in a 30 second soundbite... it is sad, but true.

Yea nice graphics...what we need is something similar to this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279 -- Great animated flick called 'money as debt' --- really lays it out for the viewer.

[driller80545]

Old people do not like the "revolution" tag. It reminds them of a very unsettled time in this country. It is too radical.
Old people are not as impulsive as young people. It takes them longer to jump on a bandwagon. They have seen to many fly by night revolutions already. I think this is why so many primaries were moved up, to not allow old people the time to fully consider RP's message before they had to vote.
Ron Paul's message is good and right and old people are listening and thinking and deciding. They will jump on the train, but only when it appears to be legitimate. If we keep working, the snowball will roll down the hill.

[DGambler]

Old people do not like the "revolution" tag. It reminds them of a very unsettled time in this country. It is too radical.
Old people are not as impulsive as young people. It takes them longer to jump on a bandwagon. They have seen to many fly by night revolutions already. I think this is why so many primaries were moved up, to not allow old people the time to fully consider RP's message before they had to vote.
Ron Paul's message is good and right and old people are listening and thinking and deciding. They will jump on the train, but only when it appears to be legitimate. If we keep working, the snowball will roll down the hill.

And you have to do that with different marketing techniques... pound on the economy and savings when talking to them, lay out what a bankrupted US would do to them and their life.

[ignoranceisntbliss]

The "Reagan Revolution" ring any bells?

[camped69]

"The Last Honest President"

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

WRONG. The youth is the future.

[driller80545]

The "Reagan Revolution" ring any bells?

The "Reagan Revolution" is a recently coined phrase. Not something that was ever said during his campaign.

[driller80545]

WRONG. The youth is the future.

I'm old. I used to be the future. The future is now for me. What does this have to do with anything? Nonsense!

[Myerz]

No..... How about this.....

Your Grandkids President......Ron Paul!

[UtahApocalypse]

Here we have used a mix of signs for a good 10 months. You don't have to git rid of one to use others.

[driller80545]

"The Last Honest President"

How about "The first honest president"!

[yankee_blue]

The revolution stuff is fine. But for those of you that are harboring some greivance against old folks, let me say this: Vote. You can't stop the elderly from voting. You can try to persuade them to vote your way, but you can't stop them. One look at the age breakdown of voters indicates that the older the person, the less likely they are to vote for RP. BUT!! and this is most important! They vote! If this is supposed to be a movement of young people then we have GOT to amp up the percentage of young people voting. Until then, shut it about old people voting...

[flames2dust77]

uummm, no.

Main Entry:
rev·o·lu·tion Listen to the pronunciation of revolution
Pronunciation:
\ˌre-və-ˈlü-shən\
Function:
noun

2 a: a sudden, radical, or complete change b: a fundamental change in political organization; especially : the overthrow or renunciation of one government or ruler and the substitution of another by the governed c: activity or movement designed to effect fundamental changes in the socioeconomic situation d: a fundamental change in the way of thinking about or visualizing something : a change of paradigm <the Copernican revolution> e: a changeover in use or preference especially in technology

This is indeed a revolution. Alot of ppl I personally know were pulled in by the r[EVOL]ution banners.

[Spirit of '76]

WRONG. The youth is the future.

Dude... Man... Dudeman...

That's, like, all deep and, like, stuff.

[lvp1138]

I had posted about this some time ago based on some statistics I learned some time ago.

Only about 10-20% of the population have a higher than average IQ and thus a sense of curiosity. Those are us. The ones that got into this from the beginning.

Well, that 10-20% of the population has already been captured. They already looked up what the "Ron Paul Revolution" banners are about.

The rest of the population will never look up what that means. "Ron Paul for President" needs to be displayed more often. A large part of that population are also easily impressed by the association of a person's name and keywords such as "honesty", "truthful", etc.

So yes, it is the opinion of many that the "Ron Paul Revolution" should be use less and use more of the regular mainstream presidential slogans.

[Sandy]

I do think it's time for a new slogan, for sure. We arent selling rebellion, we're selling sanity. Its the knowledge of overwhelming odds stacked against us that feeds taht rebellious 1776 feeling...to those lulled to sleep over the decades or to those who trust that things are still as safe and constitutional as ever--the idea of revolution seems quite fringe im afraid. Its only those of us who realize we need a change who are swelled by it.

<I also think the the *evol* part of revolution looks like *evil* and might be preventing some good people form even looking into us>


I like, for the likely voter older crowd--

-A Doctor for President!! (everyone wants their kids to be doctors and presidents dont they?)also implies what a genius he is..also how healthy and spry he is
-30 years in congress, 30 years of honesty!
-It's time for Truth!
-Ask your kids about Ron Paul!! j/k=)

That's the very first thing my brother, RP supporter said. Said that it wasn't good marketing, and he is involved with marketing. Whether people catch it directly or subconsciously, it's really not a good sign. No offense those who love it, but we need the 60+ vote desperately and the older folk don't respond to signs like this anyway. Anyone who will still be stuck on this won't be helping gain votes for RP.

I live in FL, we need signs that will appeal to the high retiree population, and people already have made great suggestions.

[LBennett76]

Ok... here's my take.
We have to remember that there are a lot of older people that we won't convince no matter what we do. My 86 yr. old grandma who votes every single election is a Democrat. She's a Democrat because her parents were Democrats. She will never change parties. She will never vote for anyone but a Democrat. She's made that very clear. She doesn't care what anyone else has to offer.
My 83 yr.old grandfather is the same way. Whoever is going to make social security and medicare bigger is who he wants. If he were to vote Republican it would be for Huckabee because my grandfather is a missionary, driving all over the country saving souls at fairs. He will never be convinced.
There are some older folks I watched during the 2006 elections. They needed help trying to work the electronic voting machines. One little old lady just said, "Which one's the Democrat?" She didn't know the names of who was running or anything about them. She was just looking for that "D".
The older generation are the children of the Depression. It was FDR who "saved" them in their eyes. They don't realize that their party has changed. So they're going to be a hard sell no matter what.

Though I am going to continue using rEVOLution, I do kind of like the "Securing Our Future" slogan. And there's always the good ole stand-by "Hope for America".

[firebirdnation]

SAVE SOCIAL SECURITY = VOTE RON PAUL

+1 it seems that most elderly believe Ron Paul wants to eliminate Social Security today, but the truth is he is the only one who WILL save it for those who currently depend on it.

[UnitedWeStand]

Please remember that Ron Paul himself is an older American. Many older people in his generation are very patriotic, therefore they are the voters!

So before you slam older people, ask yourself..what were you doing the last couple of decades to help save America while Ron Paul has been in congress?

One Ron Paul hasn't been sufficient to raise mass awareness of the corruption of America. We now have the chance to represent him by being 1 million Ron Pauls. He has taught us the truth and we are now responsible for carrying it to every community in America. If the media wont magnify his voice, we can become the microphone.

[driller80545]

Ok... here's my take.
We have to remember that there are a lot of older people that we won't convince no matter what we do. My 86 yr. old grandma who votes every single election is a Democrat. She's a Democrat because her parents were Democrats. She will never change parties. She will never vote for anyone but a Democrat. She's made that very clear. She doesn't care what anyone else has to offer.
My 83 yr.old grandfather is the same way. Whoever is going to make social security and medicare bigger is who he wants. If he were to vote Republican it would be for Huckabee because my grandfather is a missionary, driving all over the country saving souls at fairs. He will never be convinced.
There are some older folks I watched during the 2006 elections. They needed help trying to work the electronic voting machines. One little old lady just said, "Which one's the Democrat?" She didn't know the names of who was running or anything about them. She was just looking for that "D".
The older generation are the children of the Depression. It was FDR who "saved" them in their eyes. They don't realize that their party has changed. So they're going to be a hard sell no matter what.

Though I am going to continue using rEVOLution, I do kind of like the "Securing Our Future" slogan. And there's always the good ole stand-by "Hope for America".

This reminds me of the John Prine song about Grandpa was a Carpenter. "He voted for Eisenhower because Lincoln won the war". Hahahaha

[cdigi]

It's a brilliant campaign – I wouldn't change a thing.

[Derek Johnson]

Imo, this thread is totally irrelevant.

Whether or not you knock on your neighbor's door and speak from the heart....

...and/or visit the local nursing home / university speaking from the heart....

...is the only relevence. Will you?

Little else matters than what you do for this movement with your free time in YOUR precinct.

[JimInNY]

i have spoken with many elderly voters in east tn who love being part of the revolution

Nice. I was just going to post that if we wanna find out what the older folks would like, we should ask our parents (if they're old like mine) or our grandparents.

[driller80545]

Imo, this thread is totally irrelevant.

Whether or not you knock on your neighbor's door and speak from the heart....

...and/or visit the local nursing home / university speaking from the heart....

...is the only relevence. Will you?

Little else matters than what you do for this movement with your free time in YOUR precinct.

Bump

[QWE]

I've always thought the "R[EVOL]UTION" signs were kind of silly and worked against getting new voters. The vast majority of people do not want a "revolution" of any kind.

[quantized]

great point..

[PennCustom4RP]

I too never liked the r3volution banners, and always thought that 'Hope for America' would reach more broadly across all age demographics.

Remember, the fire was not stirred with rally cries of Revolution in 1775, by the old, but by the young. Even the leaders of this revolution were only in their 30s or 40s, aside from B.Franklin. they were not in their 60s

my .02

[ChickenHawk]

I really don't think that "revolution" is the problem. I've always hated the banners because of the "love" part. The word "love" in politics was hijacked by the socialist hippie bastards of the 1960's and has a very negative connotation among most conservatives. Since most people want change "Ron Paul Revolution" would be fine. Most people, young and old, understand that "revolution" in the context of an election does not imply violence.

[pcosmar]

Folks I am 50 and have revolution painted on both sides of my vehicle.
IT IS NOT coming off.
It will be there after the election.

What I would like to know is where all these Neo-Con ans GOP shills came from.
Some folks are in this as some kind of partisan thing, I'm not.
The Party changes or it gets left behind.
This is a revolution.

[Laja]

All old people are interested in is leeching off of the youth of America through social security. Stuff like "honesty" doesn't appeal to them anymore.

It's interesting to read your comments. Did anyone ever tell you that you're ignorant? Old people paid into social security and they expect to get their money back.

[Bob Spruill]

Only about 10-20% of the population have a higher than average IQ

How did you calculate that ?

[pcosmar]

My mother is 82 and voted for Ron Paul. Her friend is 96 and gave me a Ron Paul cookbook from several years back, She knows about Ron Paul.
I see a lot of young people dancing around Romney Hillery and Obama.

Ignorance is not age specific.

[defcreative]

My mother is 82 and voted for Ron Paul. Her friend is 96 and gave me a Ron Paul cookbook from several years back, She knows about Ron Paul.
I see a lot of young people dancing around Romney Hillery and Obama.

Ignorance is not age specific.

QFT

Thank you for donating some sense into this post.

[RonPaulFTFW]

i think it's a good idea.
we need a new slogan to move on.

[Paulbot_9876]

You would make a GREAT campaign spokesperson. You might even be able to get a couple of people to vote with you.

its true...they lived free and why shouldnt the young?????was freedom only for them and their life?????i dont think so....its our generation now and we are the future not them.....

[Anti Federalist]

Folks I am 50 and have revolution painted on both sides of my vehicle.
IT IS NOT coming off.
It will be there after the election.

What I would like to know is where all these Neo-Con ans GOP shills came from.
Some folks are in this as some kind of partisan thing, I'm not.
The Party changes or it gets left behind.
This is a revolution.

I'm 43.

This post +1776

There is a revolution coming, whether anybody likes it or not.

The only question is, what form will take, and what will be it's goals.

If we don't get out in front of the groundswell, we will all get a revolution we won't want, when the economy finally goes tits up and somebody preempts us.

[LiveToWin]

We need soliders, not old people.

[wowabunga]

Ignorance is not age specific.

Apathy and Ignorance is not age specific. There that looks to be just about right.

[dsanluis]

i have been reading these forums for a while and never posted....i have donated to the campaign and have been passing the message to everyone i know (proud resident of NEVADA :) )...i am 34 and after reading some comments on here about old people is pretty disgusting to hear...i realize how people can think it is about young people's future but there are older people that are part of this grassroots as well....and that is just disrespect...

i like the revolution campaign but we do need another slogan for the older people...i have been in marketing and we need to target each demographic to have a chance to win the votes we need to take this all the way

just my thoughts

[ddoggphx]

WRONG. The youth is the future.

We're trying to win an election in the present.

[VoluntaryMan]

We need OLD people to vote for Ron Paul. 45% of Republican voters in Nevada were OVER THE AGE OF 60. This is a fact.

Florida will have similar numbers.

The Revolution banners (and the banner on the Blimp) have served their purpose, which got us an army of young enthusiastic supporters. Done, check.

Now we need a new strategy, because the BULK of voters are ABOVE 60 years old.

It's time for new banners:

"An Honest President !",
"A Doctor for President !",
"50 years of marriage, a President ?"
"Never voted for an earmark, a President ?"
"Never lied, never will, a President ?"

Please add to my list.

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8351/revolutionronpaulpatriolp3.gif
The logo may just need a little retooling, to appeal to a broader demographic.

[Soccrmastr]

why would we drop our grassroots slogan weeks before the primaries are over. some people are just stupid.

[dsanluis]

voluntary man that is a nice banner

[VoluntaryMan]

voluntary man that is a nice banner

Thanks. I just think it would be helpful to create a stronger association between the Ron Paul Revolution and the American Revolution, so that it is better understood as a genuinely patriotic movement.

[dsanluis]

i like that it is red white and blue...people like the patriotic look (well i do anyways) would u mind if i used it to campaign with?

[syborius]

I agree. The rEVOLution banners are nice if you know who Ron Paul is in the first place. If you have no clue who he is, they're pointless. Issue banners are the way to go, e.g.,

No Amnesty, Ron Paul 2008
No Taxes, Ron Paul 2008
Stop Government Theft, Ron Paul 2008
etc.......

don't drop the revolution banners, just throw the issue banners into the mix.

[VoluntaryMan]

i like that it is red white and blue...people like the patriotic look (well i do anyways) would u mind if i used it to campaign with?

Mind? I encourage it. Be my guest.

[pcosmar]

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8351/revolutionronpaulpatriolp3.gif
The logo may just need a little retooling, to appeal to a broader demographic.

I like it.
But it might be a bit much for a stencil.

[VoluntaryMan]

I like it.
But it might be a bit much for a stencil.

True, but a broader appeal might be worth the extra effort.

[tamor]

I agree let's update our image:
Ron Paul - Saving America
Ron Paul - Rock Steady
Dr. Paul - Protecting Freedom
Freedom Patrol

[hotbrownsauce]

I think all and any banner and slogans are a plus since it is of the most obvious feature to anyone that people are effected in different ways. So when you think about it, many signs have the potential to attract many different people.

[mjp1025]

Don't forget that those "old" people were Woodstock children ripe for Revolution!

[chewbacca]

Love in the banner just screams hippy=/. Sorry. I say put love of life liberty and america or something below it.

[liberty_Forever]

Yes, I think more banners to target older demographic is good idea. We can use both types though.

I like "A Doctor for President"

also, perhaps...

"Vote for Liberty"
"Support the US Constitution"
etc

[hawks4ronpaul]

"Champion of the Constitution" is more issue-specific than "Hope for America."

Someone liked my "Securing our future." "Securing America" is even shorter.

PS: All the hard workers who already made signs, you are appreciated and should keep using those signs but consider some targeted issue slogans for any additional signs.

Thank you.
http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

[RonRules]

Hey bud! I've contributed to social security for 45 years. How much have you put in?

Want to reach the old folks? Here's what I posted in another thread:

I'm sorry to say, the only way to reach the old folks is to scare them. Why do you think they support McCain? Because he told them the boogey man was coming to this country to kill them.

So, what's the one thing they are more afraid of then that? Their financial security! Their life's savings is wrapped up in stocks, cd's and government bonds. They LIVE off of their savings. They don't realise the threat that exists to their financial security. When they do, they will listen. You have no idea how frightening the loss of their nest egg is to them. It's huge. Their biggest fear is that they will outlive their savings. So go for it. Put some fear in them. Just don't preach to them. Talk with them, not to them.


This could be a good approach, but needs to be explained carefully. Maybe we need a "Scary" Slim Jim. or DVD.

[RonRules]

Only about 10-20% of the population have a higher than average IQ and thus a sense of curiosity. Those are us. The ones that got into this from the beginning.

So yes, it is the opinion of many that the "Ron Paul Revolution" should be use less and use more of the regular mainstream presidential slogans.


You might want to check-in to a basic statics class. EXACTLY 50% of the population have an IQ higher than average. (median to be more exact)

Oh, not to try to scare you, but did you know that 50% of doctors graduated below average?

[RonRules]

Here's what I've collected so far:

"An Honest President: Vote Ron Paul !",
"A Doctor for President, Ron Paul !",
"50 years of marriage, Ron Paul"
"Never voted for an earmark, Ron Paul !"
"Never lied, never will, Ron Paul"
"No Amnesty: Vote Ron Paul !"
"Stop Government Theft, Ron Paul !"
"Save Social Security, Ron Paul !"
"Securing our future, Ron Paul !"
"Ron Paul - Saving America"
"Ron Paul - Rock Steady"
"Dr. Paul - Protecting Freedom"
"Vote for Liberty, Vote Ron Paul"
"Support the US Constitution, Ron Paul"
"Champion of the Constitution, Ron Paul"


Please discuss them at your meetups and add more if you can. I'll set up a poll.

[phree]

I thought the rEVOLution theme was a mistake from the beginning. So, yes, please lose it.

[Lmata]

I'm adding "Defend Our Constitution" to the top of my yard sign.

I think it needs an issue added so it will spark someone's interest in RP.

[ronpaulfan]

I think you're being far too dismissive of the effect this slogan may be having on the older demographic.

+1

Keep it for YouTube but don't wave it in front of granny

[tarabyte]

The revolution banners work, it is silly to drop them.

We do need more effort being put forth towards getting the older generation's vote. Because most voters (at least over 50%) are retired people.

a Save Social Security message could swing that vote if the message can get out there.

Unfortunately retired people aren't getting information online but from the MSM. So traditional campaigning is the only way to reach them.

[jabrownie]

"Save Social Security, Vote Ron Paul !"

Like this one the best for targeting the older voters.

Agree that it would be helpful to use more slogan signs like some of the ones listed above, rather than the basic name/revolution ones used thus far. They were great and helpful for getting things started in Phase I, but now it's time to move to Phase II and expand our demographic support.

[fmontez]

The revolution banners are good, just some of the fringer's and truther's don't understand that it is a reform revolution... I call them the tinfoil helmet brigades.

[AisA1787]

I've never liked the revolution logo. I think it's a distraction from the message because once people see "Revolution" they ask themselves what kind of revolution it is... and then when you say "limited government, lower taxes, less wasteful spending" it doesn't really seem like a revolution, it just seems like more politics and lies...

I vote for an "Honest Ron" logo :D

[phree]

The revolution banners work, it is silly to drop them.

I hate to sound overly critical, but how in the world could you know that "the revolution banners work"?

[darwarison]

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[pcosmar]

NO !!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2026/1936163197_8d6d8bc44a.jpg

It will stay as long as this runs. *
It may get more added, but nothing subtracted.
*It has survived Hurricanes and UP winters.

[electronicmaji]

The Revolution needs to go..

We are now a certified Organization...imo

[driller80545]

Want a 30% raise? Abolish the IRS
Vote for Ron Paul

[phree]

We need soliders, not old people.

Another little piece of me died when I read this.

[jemartinsen81]

I 100% agree -- "rEVOLution" has served its purpose. Further use might do more harm than good, as older conservatives are unlikely consider "Love Revolutionaries" little else than young right-wing hippies. As the majority of the people who vote are 40+, its time to project a more conservative, down-to-earth image. Focus on his record as a christian pro-life doctor who's the strongest on border defense, with a zero-tolerance on amnesty and the most conservative tax record.

[driller80545]

Another little piece of me died when I read this.

Yeah, these kids deserve an A+ for intensity, but an F- for means and methods. I suppose that they will learn how to reach a goal with more experience.

[morerocklesstalk]

I think we appear as left wing hippies to the average joe who gets his news from Fox.

[phree]

Over the past couple weeks I've noticed that a lot of Ron Paul supporters have not been trying to reach out to supporters of other campaigns. In fact, I believe a majority of RP supporters have actively been distancing themselves from the majority of voters.

The whole r[evol]ution advertising reeks of hippiness. Why are we trying to make it easy to label the whole movement with an unattractive stigma? The RP campaign is NOT a hippy- prance in flower covered hills- campaign.

The qualities that make RP a viable candidate are his views on fiscal conservatism, strict constitutionalism, and his amazing track record.

Ron Paul is a huge supporter of the second amendment, how can you openly advertise his campaign as hippyish when he's the NRA's best friend?

We NEED to reach out with his message of remaining true to the constitution- not some weird- free hugs- hippy BS.

I'm not trolling, this is a serious argument and something I've been thinking quite a bit about.

It's like he said.

[Sarge]

As an older supporter, I feel it is time to close the sale and ask for the vote.

Too little time left for google and Revolution. I like some of the suggestions on how to get their attention and ask for the vote.

I like the Revolution sign, but we have to shorten the time for people to be become aware of Dr. Paul with the older voters. Not that the Revolution has ended, but we need those older voters in order to continue the Revolution. The way to get them are some of the slogans being suggested. They are going to be in for sticker shock tomorrow. Now is the time to wake them up.

[RonRules]

Want a 30% raise? Abolish the IRS
Vote for Ron Paul

Actually that's another UNREASONABLE slogan that's got to go. Before we do that, we have to cut fed govt by about 50%, restore the gold in Fort Knox and build enough confidence worldwide such that our dollar gets back to at least parity with the Euro.

With Dr. Paul's BEST efforts and some 20% new Paulites in congress, I think this will take about 15-20 years.

Lets' makes goals that are REASONABLE in the first 4 years.

[RonRules]

Please switch to the vote thread, where I collected all the suggestions:

New banner slogans (Without RevolUTION)
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=96743

[TruckinMike]

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Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, born Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Russian: Влади́мир Ильи́ч Ле́нин, Влади́мир Ильи́ч Улья́нов) (April 22, 1870 – January 21, 1924), was a Russian revolutionary, a communist politician, the main leader of the October Revolution, the first head of the Russian Soviet Socialist Republic and from 1922, the first de facto leader of the Soviet Union. He was the creator of Leninism, an extension of Marxist theory.

And mass murderer!

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Guevara became an icon of socialist revolutionary movements and a cultural icon worldwide. An Alberto Korda photo of him has received wide distribution and modification, appearing on t-shirts, protest banners, and in many other formats. The Maryland Institute College of Art called this picture "the most famous photograph in the world and a symbol of the 20th century.

And murderer of thousands via execution squads.

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So tell me again, why are we linking RON PAUL with these people and their likenesses? Is it so people will have fond associations - thus vote for him? Well, that would work if we were in communist Russia, some folks do want to go back to the old ways.

Please read my tag line --- then watch the video. Or read Luntz's book.


TruckinMike

[TruckinMike]

Important: BUMP!

[RonRules]

http://rlv.zazzle.com/img/ron_paul_revolution_ringer_tee_customizable_shirt. jpg?action=view&pid=235124314551836098&max_dim=210&rvtype=product&bg=0xffffff&pdt=shirt&style=ladies_casual_ringer_tshirt_melange&color=tanbrown&front_type=vert&side_front=vert&side_pref=front&contextDefaulted=true&context=aallegretti&view_auto=1.3&square_it=truehttp://www.cpa.org.au/pics/lenin_grey.jpg

Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, born Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Russian: Влади́мир Ильи́ч Ле́нин, Влади́мир Ильи́ч Улья́нов) (April 22, 1870 – January 21, 1924), was a Russian revolutionary, a communist politician, the main leader of the October Revolution, the first head of the Russian Soviet Socialist Republic and from 1922, the first de facto leader of the Soviet Union. He was the creator of Leninism, an extension of Marxist theory.

And mass murderer!

http://www.anarchyware.com/store/wp-content/rpvlc_onesidefront_standard.jpghttp://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w173/elmexican619/vivalarevolucionhastalavictoriasiem.jpghttp://www.insanitywetrust.com/index_files/che3.gif

Guevara became an icon of socialist revolutionary movements and a cultural icon worldwide. An Alberto Korda photo of him has received wide distribution and modification, appearing on t-shirts, protest banners, and in many other formats. The Maryland Institute College of Art called this picture "the most famous photograph in the world and a symbol of the 20th century.

And murderer of thousands via execution squads.

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So tell me again, why are we linking RON PAUL with these people and their likenesses? Is it so people will have fond associations - thus vote for him? Well, that would work if we were in communist Russia, some folks do want to go back to the old ways.

Please read my tag line --- then watch the video. Or read Luntz's book.


TruckinMike


Yes, this is what I'm trying to avoid, but I must say, the picture on the left is VERY funny.

[Bob Spruill]

You might want to check-in to a basic statics class.

Yes ! Building bridges to Freedom !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statics