What do you all have against Giuliani?

[qh4dotcom]

Giuliani wants to issue a big tax cut...and he's got a really simple tax form...so I wanted to know why some people here hate him so much that they don't want his big tax cut. Who cares if he has had several wives, doesn't get along with his family, is using 9/11 to his advantage, etc. if he will save you thousands of dollars and a lot of tax stress next April 15?

I really want Ron Paul to win in Florida. However it's frustrating when I turn on CNN, see that Dr. Paul is losing by a large percentage in a primary or caucus in another state or in a Florida poll so I must hope that some other candidate beats McCain and his 100 year Iraq war. And unfortunately there is no other big tax cutter besides Giuliani with a chance to win Florida according to the latest polls. Hopefully that will change and Ron Paul will move ahead of Giuliani in the polls just before January 29.

[Exponent]

His views on national security and foreign policy scare the crap out of me. End of story.

[Ginobili]

Why so much Guiliani loving today? TRYING TO CONVERT US TO THE DARKSIDE?!?!

I WILL RESIST! BUT IT TASTES SO GOOD! OMG THE POWER... AHHH!

*Goes watch Ron Paul video*...
feeling better... ok yeah, so basically, he has a dictatoral veiw on national security, and wants to blow the middle east to hell, where I plan on living for awhile. Second, he openly laughs and calls out Ron Paul even though his stance is 100 times more rediclious.

Good enough answer, turn coat? :o

[Cleaner44]

Rudy is a criminal with no integrity. He also wants to wage constant war and does not care that we are $9 trillion in debt.

[Xenophage]

Giuliani is a big spender. He doesn't understand why deficit financing causes economic problems, and his tax plan is likely to coincide with an increase in government spending, not a reduction. I also really, really hate his personality.

[angrydragon]

Did you actually look at his records?

He wants more of a police state than Bush.

[RockEnds]

Giuliani is an arrogant, egotistical thug who doesn't like women, children, and small, furry animals.

[banjojambo9]

the ghoul is a typical hot air politician I want someone who consistently stands for their ideals

[hueylong]

Julie Annie is a tool.

[qh4dotcom]

His views on national security and foreign policy scare the crap out of me. End of story.

He put more cops on the street when he was New York city mayor...cut the crime rate in New York in half...more cops of the street makes more sense for national security than more troops six thousand miles away in Iraq.

And why do you want to pay more taxes just because he has a foreign policy that scares you?

[gracebkr]

Guiliani is a RINO, republican in name only.



And I am sick of his 9/11 emotive speeches.

[DAFTEK]

The guy is a plain fruitfly, loves the war, would bomb Iran in his first day in office if Bush doesn't beet him to it, and we all know the rest from his debates! I would vote for Mitt before i would even consider the Ghoul. Better to have a flipfloper then a determined war monger that he is! Him, McCrack, Huckacrack and LoonyTom can go them selfs to Iran and fight with Ahmadinijad for all i care... Mitt might be smart and flop after he gets in the big house and not go to war"unlikely but at least he flips"

[Original_Intent]

Giuliani wants to issue a big tax cut...and he's got a really simple tax form...what do you all have against him? Who cares if he has had several wives, doesn't get along with his family, is using 9/11 to his advantage, etc. if he will save you thousands of dollars and a lot of tax stress next April 15?

Obviously I want Ron Paul to win in Florida....but I'm rooting for him to come in 2nd place.

Asking me what I have against Giuliani is like me asking you what you have against shoving a grenade up your ass and pulling the pin.

[gracebkr]

Oh yeah and if the thread starter does not understand why Guiliani is terrible, then I ask if the TS is even a Ron Paul supporter. How could one like Ron Paul and want him to win and still have respect for any other candidate. Ron Paul speaks the truth, which means the rest are LIARS!

[Ginobili]

Im going to have to throw the Troll word a round here, im afraid :(

[rightcoast]

I used to live in NY. Rudy rode a crime wave reduction nationwide, and had professional PR firms stating constantly that he was reducing crime. Crime goes down the same percentage nationwide, and he rode that wave. He did put lots of cops on the street though. Lots.

He had them make getting rid of the squeegee guys a priority. Maybe that should be his motto, since after getting pretty much last place in the south, northeast, west, and midwest it can't really be America's candidate, or we are running a national campaign.

New motto suggestion:
"Rudy. Tough on bums."

[bbachtung]

He put more cops on the street when he was New York city mayor...cut the crime rate in New York in half...more cops of the street makes more sense for national security than more troops six thousand miles away in Iraq.

And why do you want to pay more taxes just because he has a foreign policy that scares you?

You act like more cops on the street is ALWAYS a good thing. How about a well-armed populace? New York City couldn't have a well-armed populace because owning an assembled firearm within NYC is illegal without the political connections to get a "license."

Giuliani shirked his "duty" during Vietnam, went on to prosecute draft dodgers for the DOJ in the late 1970's / early 1980's, and ordered his police to arrest and hold overnight anyone caught with a small amount of marijuana (knowing full well that the charge would be reduced from a crime to a violation the next day).

He is one scary guy who neither honors the Constitution nor his marriage vows.

[gracebkr]

I used to live in NY. Rudy rode a crime wave reduction nationwide, and had professional PR firms stating constantly that he was reducing crime. Crime goes down the same percentage nationwide, and he rode that wave. He did put lots of cops on the street though. Lots.

He had them make getting rid of the squeegee guys a priority. Maybe that should be his motto, since after getting pretty much last place in the south, northeast, west, and midwest it can't really be America's candidate, or we are running a national campaign.

New motto suggestion:
"Rudy. Tough on bums."

LMAO

[gracebkr]

You act like more cops on the street is ALWAYS a good thing. How about a well-armed populace? New York City couldn't have a well-armed populace because owning an assembled firearm within NYC is illegal without the political connections to get a "license."

Giuliani shirked his "duty" during Vietnam, went on to prosecute draft dodgers for the DOJ in the late 1970's / early 1980's, and ordered his police to arrest and hold overnight anyone caught with a small amount of marijuana (knowing full well that the charge would be reduced from a crime to a violation the next day).

He is one scary guy who neither honors the Constitution nor his marriage vows.

Right, lots of cops to protect those who were being forced to not protect their's. Then they get 911, dial a prayer.

[Goldwater Conservative]

His views on foreign policy are imperialist, to put it mildly. Uberneocon Norman Podhoretz is his chief foreign policy advisor.

On civil liberties, the only one he really supports is abortion. He's on record as saying "freedom is about authority," and that was the mildest thing he said in that speech.

Basically, he's a police stater and warmongering invasionist. Big Brother all the way.

However, to his credit, his tax proposal has a lot of merit. I might get flamed for that, but I think gutting the income tax of all credits and deductions in exchange for lower rates is far preferable to what we have today. Of course, Paul's "replace with it nothing" approach is way better. :)

[lucius]

Anybody with a 'Freedom through Authority' talking point is frankly too Orwellian for me. Oh ya, and then there was this:

"At the center of negotiations for multiple legs of the Superhighway Corridor throughout Texas, is none other than Rudolph Giuliani's law firm which landed the Comprehensive Development Agreement for a widening of Interstate-35, now referred to as the TTC-35, in addition to the Master Development Plans for State Highways 121 and 130 among other legs of the TTC. All negotiations for Cintra were and are presently handled by the law firm, Bracewell & Giuliani, LLP, of which Republican Presidential candidate, Rudolph Giuliani, has been a senior executive partner since March 2005. His law firm is the exclusive legal counsel for Cintra. Bracewell & Giuliani is comprised of 400 attorneys, based in Houston, TX with offices in New York City, Washington, D.C., London and Kazakhstan."

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/grassi/070504

[Ron Paul for Liberty]

Giuliani does not support civil liberties he is a big government liberal who likes to cut a few taxes here and there and be hawkish thinking that will make him a conservative Republican. As was said early he is a RINO and he is also a Neo-con. Bush actually sounded good before he was elected, Giuliani sounds bad when hes running, he would be worse than Bush. To the poster, how the hell does being a Mayor of a city and taking credit for more than you deserve credit for make you qualified to become President? Since you are "rooting for Giuliani for second in Florida" and Ron for first, you obviously think this is some kind of a literal horse race and do not understand what is at stake here: cough cough America.

[Veritas1]

[QUOTE=qh4dotcom;1013184]Giuliani wants to issue a big tax cut...and he's got a really simple tax form...what do you all have against him? Who cares if he has had several wives, doesn't get along with his family, is using 9/11 to his advantage, etc. if he will save you thousands of dollars and a lot of tax stress next April 15?

I personally don't care HOW much money he promises to save me. Believe it or not, some things are a lot more important than my bank balance. Sheesh, it's not like we're a bunch of nanny state socialist Democrats or sumpthin.

Some things just aren't for sale - like hearts, minds, souls, national decency, and VOTES just to name a few.

The thought of thousands more innocent, slain Iraqi women and children in exchange for a few hundred more dollars in my checking account is REPULSIVE. They can keep their filthy blood lucre.

[Exponent]

He put more cops on the street when he was New York city mayor...cut the crime rate in New York in half...more cops of the street makes more sense for national security than more troops in Iraq.

And why do you want to pay more taxes just because he has a foreign policy that scares you?
I'm voting for Ron Paul. How does that suggest that I prefer troops in Iraq over cops on the street? (I'd prefer as little as possible of both of those.) And how does voting for Ron Paul suggest that I want to pay more taxes in order to avoid a horrible foreign policy? (I'd, again, rather prefer both paying lower taxes and avoiding a horrible foreign policy.) What type of argument are you possibly trying to make? :confused:

[Ron Paul for Liberty]

Giuliani does not support civil liberties, he has no class, laughs at Ron Paul etc. He is a big government liberal who likes to cut a few taxes here and there and be hawkish thinking that will make him a conservative Republican. As was said early he is a RINO and he is also a Neo-con. Bush actually sounded good before he was elected, Giuliani sounds bad when hes running, he would be worse than Bush. To the poster, how the hell does being a Mayor of a city and taking credit for more than you deserve credit for make you qualified to become President? Since you are "rooting for Giuliani for second in Florida" and Ron for first, you obviously think this is some kind of a literal horse race and do not understand what is at stake here: cough cough America.

[qh4dotcom]

Did you actually look at his records?

He wants more of a police state than Bush.

More cops on the street + big tax cut sounds like a good deal to me. There's too much crime here where I live.

[Cindy]

His views on national security and foreign policy scare the crap out of me. End of story.

That is more then enough right there.

From what I hear about how he handled 9/11 before during and after, I think he is also an imcompetent leader, has zero foresighting skills, and is an opporuntists.

I don't qualify to get any favors with his tax cuts.

He is a Liar. Even today on the news he was saying that he is the only republican candidate with the best record on cutting taxes and spending. Did he forget he is running against the infamous Dr, NO.?

I could care less how many times that he has been married and I am also pro choice.

I do care A LOT that this scum bag, is helping out a known and convicted , repeat child molesting ex Priest, also a friend of his, by giving him work. If Rudy was any where near cutting the mustard in my book, he would've only helped this man find his way behind bars or introduced him a baseball bat.

I can't stand him.

[Spirit of '76]

Giuliani is quite literally a fascist. He is an authoritarian who wants to centralize power under the executive, so he can manage a merger of government and big business. He uses fear and scapegoating to scare people into giving up their freedom.

Giuliani would be one of the worst things to ever happen to this country. Probably worse than Hillary Clinton, believe it or not...

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

Just give it up.. we are all commited to Dr. Paul here

[angelatc]

RG is a cheat. You can't trust a cheat.

[bbachtung]

More cops on the street + big tax cut sounds like a good deal to me. There's too much crime here where I live.

It sounds like Miami has a crime problem, NOT all of America. You should try to get Rudy to move to Miami and run for mayor there.

[Exponent]

More cops on the street + big tax cut sounds like a good deal to me. There's too much crime here where I live.
Even if more cops on the street is always a good thing, why would I like Giuliani when considering the presidency? Do you also want more FBI and more NSA running around the nation, spying on people, arresting people?

Even with high crime, it seems to me that we should be focusing on the sources of the problem, not the symptoms. In almost all cases, more cops only treats the symptom, nothing more. Sometimes that's all that is needed, but if you really have a crime problem, then I severely doubt that this is one of those times.

[fmontez]

He is Pro Physican Assisted Murder of Children... ah, that sort of disqualifies him for any political office, as far as I am concerned anyway. Otherwise I am sure he is a nice guy.

[Veritas1]

He's almost anti- Second Amendment.

Great - Now there's a lovely scenario....American cities crawling with cops and citizens with no way to protect themselves.

[Goldwater Conservative]

It sounds like Miami has a crime problem, NOT all of America. You should try to get Rudy to move to Miami and run for mayor there.

HELL NO!!! :mad:

:)

[qh4dotcom]

[QUOTE=qh4dotcom;1013184]Giuliani wants to issue a big tax cut...and he's got a really simple tax form...what do you all have against him? Who cares if he has had several wives, doesn't get along with his family, is using 9/11 to his advantage, etc. if he will save you thousands of dollars and a lot of tax stress next April 15?

I personally don't care HOW much money he promises to save me. Believe it or not, some things are a lot more important than my bank balance. Sheesh, it's not like we're a bunch of nanny state socialist Democrats or sumpthin.

Some things just aren't for sale - like hearts, minds, souls, national decency, and VOTES just to name a few.

The thought of thousands more innocent, slain Iraqi women and children in exchange for a few hundred more dollars in my checking account is REPULSIVE. They can keep their filthy blood lucre.

All Republican candidates except Ron Paul want to stay in Iraq...so you'd have to vote for a Democrat to protect the Iraqi people if Ron Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination.

[RockEnds]

If you're fishing for ways to help Rudy improve his image, convince him to cuddle with a ferret.

[MsDee]

Okay Im still new here, but why the hell is a Giuliani supporter in a Ron Paul Grassoots Forum?

[gracebkr]

[QUOTE=Veritas1;1013417]

All Republican candidates except Ron Paul want to stay in Iraq...so you'd have to vote for a Democrat to protect the Iraqi people if Ron Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination.

There is NO other candidate.

[Spirit of '76]

All Republican candidates except Ron Paul want to stay in Iraq...so you'd have to vote for a Democrat to protect the Iraqi people if Ron Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination.

:rolleyes:

I'm not voting for Ron Paul because I want to "protect the Iraqi people". I'm voting for Ron Paul because I want to protect the American people, our way of life, and our God-given rights.

And that's exactly why I'm not voting for Giuliani.

I am a traditional, conservative Republican, like Ron Paul. That means I put the needs of America first and understand that it's not our job to be the policeman of the world.

[Prez22]

Giuliani wants to issue a big tax cut...and he's got a really simple tax form...what do you all have against him? Who cares if he has had several wives, doesn't get along with his family, is using 9/11 to his advantage, etc. if he will save you thousands of dollars and a lot of tax stress next April 15?

Obviously I want Ron Paul to win in Florida....but I'm rooting for him to come in 2nd place.

You cannot root for Ron Paul and Guiliani. Not possible. Unthinkable. Reasons are too numerous.

[Spirit of '76]

Besides, longshot fringe candidate Rudy Giuliani has absolutely no chance of winning the nomination.

What is his average percentage of the vote so far? 2%?

[susano]

Asking me what I have against Giuliani is like me asking you what you have against shoving a grenade up your ass and pulling the pin.

hehehe

[Veritas1]

That's my point, too. When we stay here and look out for OURSELVES....other people the world over have a much better chance of survival as well.

[Cindy]

I'll clarify about the things I said on his handeling of 9/11.

The NYFD was asking for new radios for years from him. Rudy kept turning the requests down. Had they had the new radios that day, they could've communicated with the guys on the upper floors and told them to get out of the building. Many lives of the REAL HERO"S were senselessly lost because of his inability to equip the NYFD with what they needed.

After the first WTC bombing attack years earlier, Rudy was advised to get his HQ out of there and into an under ground Bunker. He ignored the advise.

On the day of the attacks, he had no where to run a Central Command Station from and was wandering the streets with everyone else. He was useless that day because of his ability to plan ahead.

For a month he had everyone and their mother at the site digging and digging to recover the bodies of his lost brethen, so they could be returned to their families and given a proper burial. He told them, the air quality was safe there, and had them working around the clock.

Once the gold stored in the basement of WTC was found, Rudy ordered everyone out, saying the air quality was to dangerous for them to be there.

The NYFD pleaded to be allowed to stay , to recover the bodies of the fallen fire fighters. Rudy pretty much told them, to bad, they will be taken out with the trash. Recovery is over.

This creep isn't fit to be dog catcher in my town. He's more like the Village idiot to me.

I'd PAY more in taxes just to keep him from getting into the Oval office.

[Spirit of '76]

You cannot root for Ron Paul and Guiliani. Not possible. Unthinkable. Reasons are too numerous.

It's obvious this guy is trolling, but he's so bad at it that we might as well indulge him. :D

[qh4dotcom]

He is Pro Physican Assisted Murder of Children... ah, that sort of disqualifies him for any political office, as far as I am concerned anyway. Otherwise I am sure he is a nice guy.

If abortions became prohibited in the US, plenty of women would go overseas to have them. A pro-life president and his laws can't stop determined women from having an abortion. Giuliani wants to have less abortions and more adoptions. Most Democrats are pro-choice anyway.

[godawgs]

Giuliani wants to issue a big tax cut...and he's got a really simple tax form...what do you all have against him? Who cares if he has had several wives, doesn't get along with his family, is using 9/11 to his advantage, etc. if he will save you thousands of dollars and a lot of tax stress next April 15?

Obviously I want Ron Paul to win in Florida....but I'm rooting for him to come in 2nd place.

Because he and McCain are the worst offenders in the previous debates with their laughing. They act like six year old kids. Had they shown maturity and just debated Paul on the issues then I might have swallowed my pride and voted (R) in the general election. Now I will not.

[DrCap]

All Republican candidates except Ron Paul want to stay in Iraq...so you'd have to vote for a Democrat to protect the Iraqi people if Ron Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination.

No I am voting for RP even if he has to be written in.
I wouldn't want to 'waste' my vote.

Anyway, the ghoul is a professional politician, always aspired to such a post of control, authority, etc.
He doesn't respect civil liberties, or the bill of rights. The 1st amendment will be lost very soon after the 2nd amendment is lost.
The police and fire depts. of New York hated him.
He eliminated the squeegee guys (there were only a couple dozen or less in New York) by making the cops give them jaywalking tickets.
His law firm represented citgo (hugo chavez) until recently.
He is power hungry and says whatever is needed to try to get into more power. People that know him best (family, ex-wives) really hate him.
He has no clue about foreign policy (his experience is 9/11 and the fact that the UN was in New York).
He will not cut taxes - what government agencies has he said he would eliminate to cut taxes, or would he just print money or raise the debt more?
He has no clue about economics, my wife knows more and she always wants to go to sleep when she hears the word 'economics.'

He would probably make bush look like a great guy.


Anyway, if you want to decrease crime in Miami, the president should not be involved, talk to your mayor.

[Prez22]

He put more cops on the street when he was New York city mayor...cut the crime rate in New York in half...more cops of the street makes more sense for national security than more troops six thousand miles away in Iraq.

And why do you want to pay more taxes just because he has a foreign policy that scares you?

You aren't even a good shill :) :p ;) :D

[Prez22]

It's obvious this guy is trolling, but he's so bad at it that we might as well indulge him. :D

:) That's great....... it's probably Rudy himself. :eek:

[DrCap]

:) That's great....... it's probably Rudy himself. :eek:

Trying to pick up ideas so he has some clue what to say in the next debate other than 9/11... and also to learn he needs to stop laughing. Those of us in the high IQ range with a broad knowledge of economics, foreign policy and history find that his behavior shows his stupidity quite well.

[LBennett76]

I'm wondering if the OPs identity on here was stolen... ie someone else is logged in under their name. If you look at the OP's previous postings, these recent ones just don't make sense compared.
Just a thought.

[Michigan11]

Why doesn't rudy spend some time on the campaign trail rather than here.

[redzone]

Giuliani wants to issue a big tax cut...and he's got a really simple tax form...what do you all have against him? Who cares if he has had several wives, doesn't get along with his family, is using 9/11 to his advantage, etc. if he will save you thousands of dollars and a lot of tax stress next April 15?

Obviously I want Ron Paul to win in Florida....but I'm rooting for him to come in 2nd place.

He can't read!

[RickNHouston]

Giuliani wants to issue a big tax cut...and he's got a really simple tax form...what do you all have against him? Who cares if he has had several wives, doesn't get along with his family, is using 9/11 to his advantage, etc. if he will save you thousands of dollars and a lot of tax stress next April 15?

Obviously I want Ron Paul to win in Florida....but I'm rooting for him to come in 2nd place.

Get a fucking life, dude! He a crossdressing thug that has used the powers of the office that the poor & ignorant people of New York handed him based on the same bullshit thats hes handing out now...

[DrCap]

Why doesn't rudy spend some time on the campaign trail rather than here.

'cause he has already lost.:)

[Veritas1]

[QUOTE=DrCap;1013724][QUOTE=qh4dotcom;1013550]


Someone cut and pasted the quote about having to vote Dem to protect Iraqis and mistakenly attributed it to me, and it got repeated several times.

I'm not the one who said it...just wanted to mention that.


I'm voting Ron Paul if I have to write him in.

[DrCap]

[QUOTE=DrCap;1013724][QUOTE=qh4dotcom;1013550]


Someone cut and pasted the quote about having to vote Dem to protect Iraqis and mistakenly attributed it to me, and it got repeated several times.

I'm not the one who said it...just wanted to mention that.


I'm voting Ron Paul if I have to write him in.

Veritas I believe you tell the truth. I think there is something wrong in the thread as I hit the quote to qh4dotcom and others probably did too.

[DrCap]

All Republican candidates except Ron Paul want to stay in Iraq...so you'd have to vote for a Democrat to protect the Iraqi people if Ron Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination.

If I quote post #36 this comes up. If you look at 36 Veritas didn't say this...

[RockEnds]

If abortions became prohibited in the US, plenty of women would go overseas to have them. A pro-life president and his laws can't stop determined women from having an abortion. Giuliani wants to have less abortions and more adoptions. Most Democrats are pro-choice anyway.

I think adoption should be illegal.

[Paulbot_9876]

the most corrupt person in the race....he is a liar, a thief,a idiot......did i mention idiot and thief and liar..... he is a fu!@in crook.... you sir are a troll for rudy....wonder how many other forums you went to and asked this?????someone wanna check other forums and see if this question was asked????
sounds like a troll for rudy campaign......

[JeNNiF00F00]

Guilani is FASCIST. FLorida is NOT NYC. As for putting more cops on the streets, thats just not what I want to see. I see them all over the place already...I usually count about 4 cops on the way to work and it takes me 20 minutes to get there, more in the afternoons. To tell you the truth they scare the shit out of me more than the gang members or even my chances of getting robbed or mugged or whatever and I FOLLOW the law, and I also live in the ghetto. More authority/govt is not the answer! Fuck Guilani!

[LBennett76]

I think someone else is posting under the OPs name. The stuff in this thread doesn't match up with their previous posts.

[Leroy_Jenkems]

qh, is your name Frank by chance?

Frank L?

Frank Luntz?

[bucfish]

Do you not know why he is so propagated by Fox news. He as Mayor excluded CNN from basic local programming and included FOx news instead. That is why they trump him so much.

[Chester Copperpot]

More cops on the street + big tax cut sounds like a good deal to me. There's too much crime here where I live.

we dont need tax cuts... we need SPENDING cuts.. We need the government to reduce its size and stop spending so much money.. Rudy will not do that because he is all for big government..

No thanks. Rudy isnt smart enough to be president.

This country is sick - it needs Dr. Paul.

[idiom]

The last people to vote for Rudy got BURNT TO DEATH by terrorists.

No thanks.

[Sandy]

Rudy must really be getting desperate, he can't even find skilled trolls that want to work for him. Bye, bye Guido.....people know you're a crook.

[Cindy]

The last people to voted for Rudy got BURNT TO DEATH by terrorists.

No thanks.

There's an anti-Rudy ad I havn't heard yet.

[Devil_rules_in_extremes]

Giuliani wants to issue a big tax cut...and he's got a really simple tax form...what do you all have against him? Who cares if he has had several wives, doesn't get along with his family, is using 9/11 to his advantage, etc. if he will save you thousands of dollars and a lot of tax stress next April 15?

Obviously I want Ron Paul to win in Florida....but I'm rooting for him to come in 2nd place.

Rudy Giuliani is a big government, authoritarian-Statist.

That's why I don't like him. Not to mention his foreign policy is an economical disaster, and anti-American.

[tommy7154]

I can't stand RG...

Rudey cackles at Ron Paul every chance he gets, apparently just because that's his natural response to things he doesn't comprehend.. Plus Ghoulie reminds me of a failed mad scientist. It's like Dr Paul vs Dr Evil and Dr Ron Paul is the glorious victor of that (extremely short) battle every time.

Also the other things that everyone else has said may play a minor role in my hatred for the beast...

[Malum Prohibitum]

Ghouliani is a self serving, authority loving, goose stepping, corporation welfare banging, big government wanting, big warwaging, big surveillance snooping, police state loving, gun hating, cross dressing waste of oxygen I might need someday.

So he wants to CUT (as in not abolish them) income taxes, whoopdie fucking doo. That just means he will borrow more from the Chinese to finance the cameras hes gonna put up all our asses.

[tommy7154]

Maybe not Dr Evil...Fester. He reminds me of Fester from the Addams Family. Except I felt sorry for Fester. Plus I bet Juliani knows more about runs in his pantyhose than running his country.

Ok i'm done now.

[phoenixrising]

Giuliani wants to issue a big tax cut...and he's got a really simple tax form...so I wanted to know why some people here hate him so much that they don't want his big tax cut. Who cares if he has had several wives, doesn't get along with his family, is using 9/11 to his advantage, etc. if he will save you thousands of dollars and a lot of tax stress next April 15?

I really want Ron Paul to win in Florida. However it's frustrating when I turn on CNN, see that Dr. Paul is losing by a large percentage in a primary or caucus in another state or in a Florida poll so I must hope that someone else other than McCain wins. I didn't mind McCain was winning until I heard him say that he wanted to be in Iraq for another 100 years. And unfortunately there is no other big tax cutter besides Giuliani with a chance to win Florida according to the latest polls. Hopefully that will change and Ron Paul will move ahead of Giuliani in the polls just before January 29.
good grief!! go & take a nap ...or better yet go see if anyone will soeak w/u at mitt or hucks group! we don't have time for this BS...buuuuuubeyyyyyyy

[josephadel_3]

Asking me what I have against Giuliani is like me asking you what you have against shoving a grenade up your ass and pulling the pin.

LMAO.....HAHAHA

Priceless.

The Ghoul doesn't matter. Duncan Hunter just dropped out and still has one more delegate than him.

[JonathanR]

What do I have against Giuliani?

The same Giuliani who sued the federal government to protect illegal aliens?

The same Giuliani who sued gun manufacturers because they "profit off the suffering of others?"

The same Giuliani who arrested homeless citizens simply because they were an eyesore?

The same Giuliani who pushed around any newspaper or magazine that printed anything unflattering about him?

The same Giuliani who staunchly supported police shootings of unarmed suspects?

The same Giuliani who's administration lost 22 of 26 civil liberty lawsuits filed against him?

The same Giuliani who ran off private business owners simply because he thought they were sleazy?

The same Giuliani who was successfully sued 35 times for freedom of speech violations?

What problems do I have with this guy??? PLEASE!!!

[jabrownie]

More cops on the street + big tax cut sounds like a good deal to me. There's too much crime here where I live.

I see you're from Miami. I just moved from there to Ohio a few months ago. In Miami I worked for a judge in the criminal courts, and there is definitely some major crime problems, that's true. However, Giuliani is not running for local sheriff, he's running for President. Even if he wins it will mean absolutely nothing for Miami crime. If you want to solve that problem, pay attention to the next mayoral election in Miami.

As for my take on Giuliani, well, he scares the piss outta me. If you want a one-way ticket to a dictatorial nightmare of death and destruction, he's your man.

[Patriot0811]

Can Giuliani's "tax cuts" beat Paul's abolition of the income tax?

[Malum Prohibitum]

I see you're from Miami. I just moved from there to Ohio a few months ago. In Miami I worked for a judge in the criminal courts, and there is definitely some major crime problems, that's true. However, Giuliani is not running for local sheriff, he's running for President. Even if he wins it will mean absolutely nothing for Miami crime. If you want to solve that problem, pay attention to the next mayoral election in Miami.

As for my take on Giuliani, well, he scares the piss outta me. If you want a one-way ticket to a dictatorial nightmare of death and destruction, he's your man.


Florida already has too many knuckledragging cops. Perhaps they need to be moved to where the crime is.

[Eponym_mi]

Ghouliani is a fascist nutjob that would like nothing more than to stick a leash up all of our asses. I'd sooner slit my throat than vote for the asshole.:rolleyes:

[smartguy911]

this part disturbs me - http://www.rudy-urbanlegend.com/

watch and decide it for yourself

[buffalokid777]

There's many reasons to be disturbed by Rudy.

This could be a letterman top 10

#10) He is a cross dresser as depicted by numerous youtube videos.
#9) He maried his third cousin.
#8) He is a liberal in conservative clothing.
#7) The bulk of his campaign financing comes from special interests.
#6) His involvement with Cintra and the selling of america to foreign interests.
#5) His unwavering support for criminals like Bernard Kerik
interests...ie....trans texas corridor.
#4) The constant use of 9/11 for profit...(IE...The many speaking engagements he raked in the cash for appearing)
#3) The constant use of using 9/11 for political gain.
#2) The 9/11 first responders remains who were put in a landfill due to Giuliani. Many of those first responders are DEAD due to Giuliani's no bid faulty ras=dios (My uncle is a NYC firefighter and many people he knows are dead because of Giuliani's corruption) The first responders ARE the heroes of 9/11...NOT THAT SCUMBAG PROFITEERING GIULIANI...His greed caused many first responders to die on 9/11
#1) The debate where he says "We need to teach the troops Nation Building"....

What a power hungry madman Giuliani is....he belongs in Hell....not campaigning for president of the United States.

[Mini-Me]

Giuliani is quite literally a fascist. He is an authoritarian who wants to centralize power under the executive, so he can manage a merger of government and big business. He uses fear and scapegoating to scare people into giving up their freedom.

Giuliani would be one of the worst things to ever happen to this country. Probably worse than Hillary Clinton, believe it or not...

+1. Rudy Giuliani as President is literally my worst nightmare...or actually, I should say it's the beginning of my worst nightmare.

[anewvoice]

Guiliani is the worst of the republicans and the democrats. He thinks our government need to control the world and he think our government needs to control our lives.

To me, Guiliani and Hillary are the same candidate.

[PimpBlimp]

If you think you Giuliani will cut taxes you're lying to yourself. Remember all politicians lie before the big election.

It would be impossible for Giuliani to cut taxes with all the war and domestic "anti terrorism" programs he wants.

The guy is known gun grabber and has been quoted saying "freedom is about authority". This is not a person I want behind the big desk.

[Johnnybags]

Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

[Ladiliberty]

Sorry for Rudy??? No way its the natural laws of karma...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Giuliani

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I

http://www.therealrudy.org

http://www.iaff.org

http://rudy-urbanlegend.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1HaIeRLC-o

His own children have disowned him! The NYFD hates him, most of NYC doesn't care for him...Ya he helped clean up crime in manhattan, ask NJ and the boroughs how he did that...4 of the unqualified people he put in office are in jail on corruption charges and mob connections... Ask the NYtransit authority bus drivers how they like him... Youtube has a great video on them meeting in a townhall with mr mayor where he tells them to shut up and has over a hundred of them removed when they explained the corruptive no bid contracts going to mob owned companies... 14+ million for 2700 phones never field tested failed after 1 weeks use on a NO BID motorola contract... RUDY is bad news!
Rudy has guido as his personal body guard with him here in fl... silk suit and all! LOL Ya right9/11 happened cause we are free country and wealthy... No other country in the world can claim this huh??? BS We are the worlds policeman our way or the highway foreign policy thats why they bombed us not rudy's lame excuse!

[WilliamC]

Giuliani wants to issue a big tax cut...and he's got a really simple tax form...so I wanted to know why some people here hate him so much that they don't want his big tax cut. Who cares if he has had several wives, doesn't get along with his family, is using 9/11 to his advantage, etc. if he will save you thousands of dollars and a lot of tax stress next April 15?

I really want Ron Paul to win in Florida. However it's frustrating when I turn on CNN, see that Dr. Paul is losing by a large percentage in a primary or caucus in another state or in a Florida poll so I must hope that someone else other than McCain wins. I didn't mind McCain was winning until I heard him say that he wanted to be in Iraq for another 100 years. And unfortunately there is no other big tax cutter besides Giuliani with a chance to win Florida according to the latest polls. Hopefully that will change and Ron Paul will move ahead of Giuliani in the polls just before January 29.

Two words.

Police State.

[Time for Change]

he WILL let them take your guns.
he WILL make MORE debt
He has NO experience other than being a mayor, in the right place at the right time.
I question his moral character, judging by his track record.

I like that he says immigrants MUST learn to write and speak english, but he will let that issue die faster than you can say flip-flop.
All of them will...Save ONE.

There is only ONE person with the guts to tell us the truth about our economy, foreign policy and future...
One person willing to CORRECT the mistakes made by warmongering a$$holes...
One person willing to take on the very stressful and extremely difficult job of turning this country around

If we don't do something drastic soon, we are the new third world...and only ONE person is willing to do it. Period.
Real leaders don't come along very often.
Ron Is the leader we can trust to actually TRY to fix this country.
The others will give us lip service until elected, then it is business as usual...which translates to...
We're screwed.
We will increase our debt, china will own MORE of our country, we will have MORE war with less resources and our kids will pay the price.

[Thomas Paine]

His views on national security and foreign policy scare the crap out of me. End of story.

QFT!

[kaleidoscope eyes]

What do I have against Giuliani?

The same Giuliani who sued the federal government to protect illegal aliens?

The same Giuliani who sued gun manufacturers because they "profit off the suffering of others?"

The same Giuliani who arrested homeless citizens simply because they were an eyesore?

The same Giuliani who pushed around any newspaper or magazine that printed anything unflattering about him?

The same Giuliani who staunchly supported police shootings of unarmed suspects?

The same Giuliani who's administration lost 22 of 26 civil liberty lawsuits filed against him?

The same Giuliani who ran off private business owners simply because he thought they were sleazy?

The same Giuliani who was successfully sued 35 times for freedom of speech violations?

What problems do I have with this guy??? PLEASE!!!
hmmmm... so tell us what you REALLY think. lol

really though, from what I remember... before 911 it seemed most of New Yorkers HATED the Ghoul. I can't imagine they'll let him get away with pulling some saintly routine there.

Am I wrong? Please educate me.

[fatjohn]

Giuliani is an arrogant, egotistical thug who doesn't like women, children, and small, furry animals.

Lol he doesn't like women because he wants to be one of them.

[hasan]

Oh yeah and if the thread starter does not understand why Guiliani is terrible, then I ask if the TS is even a Ron Paul supporter. How could one like Ron Paul and want him to win and still have respect for any other candidate. Ron Paul speaks the truth, which means the rest are LIARS!

Especially one that openly mocks and ridicules Dr. Paul. I have no respect for Rudy.

On the issues, he would continue the Iraq war, start a war with Iran, he might be foolish enough to cut taxes then and start borrowing even more and put America into further debt. He would keep everyone in a permanent state of fear and would there would not be a shred of privacy left in America.

[doyle]

HE MAKES COMMERICALS LIKE THIS:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=y2iFhGtKO-Q

[heath.whiteaker]

he tries to capitalize on americans fear of another 9/11

[Nic4Truth]

I am from NY, and dont agree with him. I feel he wants to take away all our rights in turn for freedom (his definition of). He wants to give illegal aliens ID cards, which Im against, since we will all have to be monitored to nab possible border jumpers. His tax cuts are just going to make us poorer, and not fix the problems we are in. Its a bad idea. Plus, he is shady. If its true, his own kids are voting for another candidate, that is just bizarre. http://www.slate.com/id/2171738/ And, if you wikipedia him, read about Bracewell & Giuliani, and his firm supporting Saudi Arabia, the NAFTA Superhighway, Oil co's- its very questionable.

"Indeed, Giuliani was completely spared any tough questions about his controversial dealings with foreign clients. Neither Wallace nor Goler brought up the growing controversy over the Giuliani law firm representing a Spanish company that is privatizing a Texas road in the proposed "NAFTA Superhighway." The same firm, Bracewell & Giuliani, represents Citgo, the oil company owned by Venezuela's anti-American ruler Hugo Chavez...." more: http://www.aim.org/aim-column/fox-news-pro-giuliani-conflict-of-interest/

And, here are some more interesting articles:

http://txfx.net/2007/12/04/a-good-reason-not-to-vote-for-giuliani/

Giuliani had ties to company trying to sell border technology
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/01/18/america/18fence.php

[worl]

He will continue in the footsteps of bush. Also his law firm is working on the super highway which will connect mexico, us and cannada. You ever heard of the north american union. You can say goodby to borders & us sovernty. Our guns or our amunition will be taken away so that you can't protect yourself. You either work for less or be replaced with mexican labor. He is a dishonest person who will say anything for a vote.

[jeffersonT]

I feel he wants to take away all our rights in turn for freedom.

What a good plan.

(...)

[bclemms]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVFgLuAvDEw

[bclemms]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjP3o-LuvSY

[IrishUp]

[QUOTE=qh4dotcom;1013184]Giuliani wants to issue a big tax cut...and he's got a really simple tax form...so I wanted to know why some people here hate him so much that they don't want his big tax cut. Who cares if he has had several wives, doesn't get along with his family, is using 9/11 to his advantage, etc. if he will save you thousands of dollars and a lot of tax stress next April 15?

It's a Trap! (Insert image of Admiral Akbar here)

Tax cuts are the bait. Loss of liberty is the trap. Think about what Bush has done to dismantle the Constitution. Giuliaini would be Bush on steroids.

[TaxProtester]

Rudy will also be in Iraq for another 100 years.

[d991]

Rudy's foreign policy adviser is Norman Podhoretz, one of the "founders" of the neoconservative movement. He is on the record of saying that he prays every day that Bush will attack Iran. Recently he's said that "job" might have to be outsourced to Israel since the NIE has tied the hands of Bush. In the same interview he's said that it might be necessary for Israel to bomb other Arab countries who may take advantage of the situation.

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Podhoretz:_bomb_iran/2008/01/18/65655.html

He's a very scary man. If Giuliani was president and Podhoretz was a senior adviser I'd be afraid of a draft if I were American...

[CountryboyRonPaul]

He put more cops on the street when he was New York city mayor...cut the crime rate in New York in half...more cops of the street makes more sense for national security than more troops six thousand miles away in Iraq.

And why do you want to pay more taxes just because he has a foreign policy that scares you?

To cut taxes, you also need to cut spending.

Giuliani is just blowing hot air. He realizes he's wrong, but he has people that can convince voters that spending does not need to be cut in order to cut taxes.

But, he does look cute in a dress...

http://thepriceoflife.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/giuliani-drag.jpg

[crazyfacedjenkins]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjP3o-LuvSY

That parody was incredible. 5 stars all the way!

[MusoSpuso]

This thread is a joke right? Did I miss something? When did Gouliani become this defenseless child? GTFO. Really.

[crazyfacedjenkins]

These rudy ads are great http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0gzmBxsFMg&NR=1

[tamor]

h ttp://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/14952564/giuliani_worse_than_bush/3

[Devil_rules_in_extremes]

Rudy's smug attitude bothers me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR8SPSA7ygA

Gun grabbing, anti 2nd amendment Rudy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jz7EWvlODw

Rudy's obsession with 9/11: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ7-3M-YrdA

Rudy hates the first amendment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STk06Flnixo

The real authoritarian Rudy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir6LrXCqZg8

[IllMortalD]

What if Giuliani is trying to bank on the fact that Florida has been "stolen" in past elections? I'm just wondering, but it wouldn't surprise me if he at least thought he might be able to do this in some way. He just seems so dependent on Florida. Either he's just that desperate or knows something we don't.

[NMCB3]

Rudy is an authoritarian who believes the prerogatives of the state supersede that of the individual. He can shove his tax cut up his ass, I want freedom. :)

[Dr.3D]

More cops on the street + big tax cut sounds like a good deal to me. There's too much crime here where I live.

More cops on the street sounds like a state problem. The federal government should have nothing to say about what states are doing. The President of the country should have no say as to how many cops are in a state. What do you want to do, have Federal Cops in every state?

Let's see if we can get this straight.
First you take away peoples guns so they can not defend themselves from criminals.
This makes the criminals the only ones with guns and they feel they have power and go around with impunity molesting the citizens.
Now to correct this problem, you put more cops on the streets to 'protect' the citizens.
In order to properly protect unarmed citizens, you would need one cop per at least two citizens. If not then the cops are only there after the crime has taken place.
I guess doing it that way would make for more jobs... but who wants to have a cop with them all the time?



If abortions became prohibited in the US, plenty of women would go overseas to have them. A pro-life president and his laws can't stop determined women from having an abortion. Giuliani wants to have less abortions and more adoptions. Most Democrats are pro-choice anyway.

Again, the President has no authority to dictate to the states how they are to handle abortion. Abortion is a state problem. I'm sure there would be some states where women could go to get an abortion if they wanted one. So leaving the country to get an abortion would not be necessary.

I think you misunderstand the roll of the President of the United States. It is not to dictate to the states what they can or can not do.

[Caravello]

He's bought and paid for by AIPAC = continued war. And he's too much of a dolt in the mold of GW to manage a war competently. So expect more of the same. For me, a vote for Giuliani is the closest you can get to a vote for a third GW term.

[Soccrmastr]

The Liberal Candidate

Is Rudy Giuliani a new Barry Goldwater or a new Bobby Kennedy?


http://www.reason.com/news/show/123019.html


http://www.reason.com/news/show/123019.html



http://www.reason.com/news/show/123019.html



http://www.reason.com/news/show/123019.html

[N13]

How is Rudy going to pay for his tax cuts and take the offensive on the war against terror?

answer: He can't. He is full of shit. He will have to borrow huge sums of money and increase the debt.

BIGGER GOVERNMENT

[CaliforniaGold]

His law firm represents Cintra a spanish firm that is funding the Trans Texas corridor. This is a toll road that they will control for 50 years and many believe it is the beginning point of the North American Highway...

and because he ran a sanctuary city for illegals and even encouraged them to come.

He sued a gun company to hold them responsible for firearm deaths.

He fought the line item veto

He recommended Kirchick for Director of Homeland Security.

He dresses in drag and clowns on Saturday Night Live and would be a laughing stock in the Muslim world. An embarrassment.

How is that for a start!

[clintontj72]

Giuliani is an arrogant, egotistical thug who doesn't like women, children, and small, furry animals.

Actually...that is the problem...he likes more women than his wife(replaces them like laundry), likes dressing up like a woman, and probably really likes small furry animals :D. Ok...maybe not the small furry animals...unless they are...ok...I will stop right there :P

[reaver]

Did you actually look at his records?

He wants a police state

+1 Police State
He would free convicted spy Jonathan Pollard {}Seriously, he would release a felon from a life sentence and send him back to the country that he was spying for{} Hows that for strong on national security. Releasing a guy who sold CIA secrets to other countries...
He has ties to data mining companies and used illegal means of surveillance to curb crime in NY.
He may be qualified but he is no Real American Hero candidate by any means..

[ignoranceisntbliss]

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IgnoranceIsntbliss/l_14df1ab6828bccfea7d0a95afb6eab03.png

[enhanced_deficit]

Following statement of one of closest men to a sitting POTUS and his personal lawyer if leaked to MSM could sink Trump re-election chances:



He also wants to wage constant war and does not care that we are $9 trillion in debt.


Giuliani is a big spender. He doesn't understand why deficit financing causes economic problems, and his tax plan is likely to coincide with an increase in government spending, not a reduction. I also really, really hate his personality.


National debt is actually now over $27T suddenly, thanks to Obama and Rudy's pal Trump.

$27 Trillion
The US debt is now projected to be larger than the US economy
Thu October 8, 2020
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/08/economy/deficit-debt-pandemic-cbo/index.html

https://wolfstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/US-Gross-National-Debt-2011-through-Oct-2020-10-07.png



This there is this stunning development:


U.S. budget deficit breached $3.1 trillion in 2020 as pandemic slammed economy

New White House data show how a huge surge in spending to confront the economic fallout fueled a historic increase in debt

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, from left, OMB Budget Director Russell Vought and Scott Atlas, senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, listen as President Trump speaks

Oct. 16, 2020
The U.S. budget deficit eclipsed $3.1 trillion in the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30, according to government data released Friday, by far the biggest one-year gap in U.S. history.

The data are a stark reflection of the staggering blow that the coronavirus pandemic has dealt to the U.S. economy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/10/16/2020-budget-deficit-coronavirus/






All of the above pales in comparison to this, funny (not really) how it has been ignored

"China manufactured the virus and let it out and they DELIBERATELY SPREAD IT AROUND THE WORLD" -Rudy Giuliani

Perhaps Mr. Giuliani has some proof of this astounding accusation?

Does it matter? Does anyone care about actual truth anymore?

This is Trump's personal lawyer?

Just another day at the Circus

Rudy - a Hero! LMAO

SKIP TO 2:44


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDND5tcUFoI



Did you actually look at his records?

He wants more of a police state than Bush.

[Anti Globalist]

I hate Giuliani because he's a neoconservative warmonger.

[pcosmar]

Still think he should have been thrown from the boat.

[Sammy]

I hate Giuliani because he's a neoconservative warmonger.

+rep

[RJB]

I still don't trust him because he showed his hand as a neocon. However, I can't blame him for being enamored with a 24 year old woman.

[PRB]

Still think he should have been thrown from the boat.
it's boRat

[Working Poor]

I guess I don't really have anything specific against him. He's going after Biden. I hope his evidence is real. I have a real hard time believing any lawyer or politician. If he can rightly prove Biden is a foreign agent more power to him. I would hope that someone could successfully expose the corruption going on. I would hope it would be exposed in righteousness and truth. Is it just one scum bucket going after another? I really don't know.

[vita3]

Peter Schweitzer is who I pay attention to in Biden’s selling out scandal.

Guy is sharp & straight arrow

Started reporting on this in 2018

Ron Paul should interview him.

https://mobile.twitter.com/peterschweizer?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Es erp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[vita3]

Thanks to three brave Americans, we now know that Joe Biden has long misled the public about his involvement with his family’s foreign business entanglements while he served as vice president.

At considerable personal risk, former Biden family business partners Tony Bobulinski and Bevan Cooney, and computer shop owner John Paul Mac Isaac, have come forward with tens of thousands of primary-source documents — internal corporate records, emails, and text messages — detailing years of business dealings that centered on trading on the Biden name. This material suggests that, despite Joe Biden’s insistence that he knew nothing about his family’s business deals, he was well aware of his son Hunter Biden’s business ventures in China, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and elsewhere.

These new troves constitute hard evidence of Biden family corruption, and confirm our reporting dating back to our 2018 book “Secret Empires.”

In 2018, when we first broke the foreign influence scandals that have now engulfed the former vice president, it seemed apparent that China and Ukraine were not paying Biden’s family members for their expertise, they were buying access to the vice president of the United States. This was never a scandal solely about Hunter or Joe’s brothers, James and Frank. It was, and has always been, a Joe Biden scandal.

For nearly three years, Biden and his surrogates have responded to the scandal with an increasingly unconvincing series of denials — including another from the former Vice President in his last debate with President Trump.

In response to “Secret Empires,” one of Joe Biden’s aides said “we aren’t going to engage on a politically motivated hit pieces …” Team Biden did not bother to respond to specific allegations that the Biden family vacuumed up millions, in the exact locales where Biden was Obama’s policy “point man.”

When the issue reemerged during the campaign, Team Biden continued to call it a “conspiracy theory” but this time, Joe Biden firmly put himself on record. “I have never discussed with my son or my brother or anyone else anything having to do with their businesses — period,” he told reporters in August 2019.

“I never talk with my son or my brother or anyone else in the distant family about their business interests, period.” He repeated similar blanket denials on numerous occasions.

These denials all proved to be untruthful. Period.

We now know that Joe Biden met directly with his son’s Chinese business partner, Jonathan Li, in a Chinese hotel lobby on a fateful trip in 2013 (a trip that allowed Hunter to spend hours with his father, the vice president, on a transoceanic flight to Beijing aboard Air Force Two). Ten days later, Hunter landed an unprecedented $1 billion private equity deal, bankrolled by the Chinese government.

But this was not the only meeting Joe Biden had with Biden family business partners. As the New York Post reported, e-mails on Hunter Biden’s hard drive reveal that on April 16, 2015, Joe Biden met with a high-level official of a controversial Ukrainian energy company, Burisma, which had put Hunter on its board. And a recently unearthed photo shows that Vice President Biden met with Hunter’s Kazakh business associate in Washington D.C.

After first dismissing the gathering scandal as a “conspiracy theory,” the Biden team shifted to the position that Joe had never talked with his family about their business dealings, then shifted again to the position that he’d never met with his family’s business partners. Now, with the latest document revelations, Joe Biden unveiled his latest defense in the recent debate: “I have not taken a single penny from any country whatsoever, ever.”

Team Biden points to Joe and Jill Biden’s tax returns as evidence that Joe did nothing improper. It is worth noting that the family members upon whom foreign entities showered money are not required to disclose their finances.

We now know the Biden paydays were anything but conspiracy theories. Hunter was getting roughly $1 million per year from Burisma. Treasury Department alerts reveal that Russian oligarch Elena Baturina wired $3.5 million to Biden’s interests. New text messages reveal that China Energy Company Ltd (CEFC) apparently paid $5 million to the Biden family. Another e-mail indicates Hunter demanded a $10 million per year “fee” from one of his Chinese business partners. There is no more doubt.

The New York Post broke news last week that Joe Biden himself may have benefited from his son’s dealings. The Post quoted a cryptic message from one of Hunter’s partners, saying that “10 [percent] held by H for the big guy?” The recipient of that message, Tony Bobulinski, says “there is no question” that “H” stands for Hunter and the “Big Guy” is Joe Biden.

We gain further insight into the operations of Biden Inc. in emails provided to us by Bevan Cooney, a former business associate of Hunter Biden. Cooney, who is currently in prison for his role in the Indian Bond Scheme that is sending Hunter Biden business partner Devon Archer also to jail, shared 26,000 emails that show what Hunter’s role was in their business ventures. The Biden name was considered “currency” for their foreign business ventures, and was a “direct…pipeline” to the Obama-Biden Administration. Deals involving Hunter benefited from the “Biden lift,” the help that the name would provide in overseas dealings.

What might the Bidens’ foreign benefactors have expected in return for all this largesse? We can’t say. But some may see a correlation between that foreign money and Joe Biden’s policy posture toward the sources of that money.

Consider the case of the Penn Biden Center, a D.C. think tank named after Joe Biden. According to the Center, its mission is to “Address Threats to the Liberal International Order.” The Center analyzes the threats of “Russia” and “climate change” in detail. But China — the largest violator of basic human rights on the planet — does not make the list. Why?

Perhaps we now know why.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/24/biden-corruption-claims-all-but-confirmed-with-hunter-emails/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[Ender]

Still think he should have been thrown from the boat.

Agree- everyone here used to despise him until he became part of the Trump team.

[pcosmar]

it's boRat

He wasn't there,, and escaped a Righteous A$$ whoppin' just recently.

Rudy was on a Boat.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA41dQwvO1c