Ask not what your country can do for you,

[cageybee]

ask what you can do for your country!

Hello my fellow RonPaulians!

I am here with a great idea of how we can make Ron look even better to everyone in this country.

One of our greatest, most loved, and admired presidents was John F Kennedy. He absolutely loved this country. He was a man of courage. He believed in service for this country and courageous acts. Those that knew him and read about him know what I am talking about.

In 1913, a band of wealthy bankers, have hijacked our monetary system and have stole our country from us. If you don't believe me, then learn about a Federal Reserve Act of 1913. In addition, you can watch Aaron Russo's documentary called "America: Freedom to Fascism" to see what this Evil act did to our country and to the whole world. Since then, these bankers have been dominating the world and been the cause of deaths of millions of people.

And since 1913, the only president that has tried to free the people of these United States was John F. Kennedy.

On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business.

Unfortunately, for the American people, these people have murdered this man and have restored their power shortly after that.

This executive order, since then, has never been repealed, but I am disgusted that none of our presidents since then have tried to use this executive order to put The Federal Reserve Bank out of the business. And it is because all these presidents have been playing the bankers' game and this is the main reason why our country right now in such a bizarre situation - we are becoming a Fascist Empire.

I am also disgusted by all of current presidential candidates except Ron Paul, because non of them think that dismantling the Federal Reserve Bank should be their #1 priority. This is because, non of them have courage! Courage to stand up against Evil for the people of this country.

I am absolutely positive that JFK would be proud of Dr. Paul's courage and have created a discussion on Digg.com to promote this to the masses.

I ask all of you to spread the message and come support me on Digg.com to let the masses of the social media sites know that when they consider a candidate, they must check and see if the candidate's #1 priority is to dismantle the Federal Reserve System. And we all know that as of right now, the one and only candidate that has promised to do so is Dr. Ron Paul.

I bring to your attention the following links to a movie and to articles which will prove to you that these bankers are the killers of JFK.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173
http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/thefederalreserve.htm
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/eo/eo2.htm
http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/mcfadden.html

In addition, you should read an amazing book about JFK called "Profiles in Courage".


If you want to help me on Digg.com to promote this discussion, then visit the following link

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Ron_Paul_is_JFK_of_Our_Time_A_man_with_courage

Best Regards,

Your fellow RonPaulian

Ron Paul is JFK of Our Time!

[BIRDMAN4PAUL]

Ron Paul is JFK of Our Time!


Great so he's a media puppet like Obama

[N13]

First post, send him to hot topics.

[crink]

I like to think that in a truly free society it is the governments job to serve the people

[Deborah K]

Welcome Cageybee. Most on this board are aware of Aaron Russo, the Federal reserve, etc. However, I like your angle on executive order 11110. Interesting how it was never challanged in Congress, isn't it? Helping to bring awareness to this issue in this way is actually a great idea imo.

[cageybee]

Welcome Cageybee. Most on this board are aware of Aaron Russo, the Federal reserve, etc. However, I like your angle on executive order 11110. Interesting how it was never challanged in Congress, isn't it? Helping to bring awareness to this issue in this way is actually a great idea imo.

thank you for seeing it the way i see it.

[UnitedWeStand]

Good post=)

I think that we should be a lot more welcoming to new members and posters. This "one poster" could be someone who received one of your slim jims or saw you at a sign wave etc..Every new member brings a different perspective from their demographic.

Whether someone is a "troll" or just new, everyone reading our threads should be inspired and awed at our message and ability to get along amongst ourselves. Please dont turn people away with rudeness. If you cant think of anything nice to say, think harder until you can.=)

[electronicmaji]

JFK was a warmongering, unfaithful, bastard-idiot.

[cageybee]

Good post=)

I think that we should be a lot more welcoming to new members and posters. This "one poster" could be someone who received one of your slim jims or saw you at a sign wave etc..Every new member brings a different perspective from their demographic.

Whether someone is a "troll" or just new, everyone reading our threads should be inspired and awed at our message and ability to get along amongst ourselves. Please dont turn people away with rudeness. If you cant think of anything nice to say, think harder until you can.=)

Thank you!

[cageybee]

JFK was a warmongering, unfaithful, bastard-idiot.

My friend, if it wasn't for JFK, we would not be here after the Cuban Missile Crisis

[electronicmaji]

My friend, if it wasn't for JFK, we would not be here after the Cuban Missile Crisis

My friend, if it wasn't for JFK we wouldn't have spent over 500 billion dollars in Vietnam.

[yongrel]

That JFK quote ranks up there on the list of "worst things ever said by an American leader" in my book.

[cageybee]

My friend, if it wasn't for JFK we wouldn't have spent over 500 billion dollars in Vietnam.

my friend,

Quote:

"His efforts to have all troops out of Vietnam by 1965 and Executive Order 11110 would have severely cut into the profits and control of the New York banking establishment."

[crazyfacedjenkins]

Great so he's a media puppet like Obama

Exactly JFK was a fucking asshole.

[cageybee]

Exactly JFK was a fucking asshole.

Take that back.

[Deborah K]

Cageybee, there are those who don't understand and never will. Don't let them bait you. It isn't worth it.

[RoyalShock]

Wait a second . . .

Cageybee = KGB?

Coincidence?


I have no idea.


(Just poking a little fun. Back to our regularly scheduled programming.)

[cageybee]

Wait a second . . .

Cageybee = KGB?

Coincidence?


I have no idea.


(Just poking a little fun. Back to our regularly scheduled programming.)

it is a long story :)

[Deborah K]

That JFK quote ranks up there on the list of "worst things ever said by an American leader" in my book.

Why is it such a bad quote? He's not talking about what you can do for your government, he's talking about what you can do for your fellow man, for your community. What the hell is so wrong with that?!

[Kade]

Take that back.

I'm with you cageybee. I definately think JFK was one of our better Presidents. Ignore the theocrats and morons here who think "Freedom is what I tell you it is"

That certain people can move a nation with their voice alone, is the essence of freedom. JFK was under the influence of warmongers in his decision to follow Eisenhower's example in limited combat in Vietnam.

I don't understand people here sometimes... but who am I... personally, I like Kennedy.

[kill the banks]

JFK was a warmongering, unfaithful, bastard-idiot.

did you study history on another planet ?

i'd love to see where fed debt would be with him any day ... his fiscal policies were v fiscal conservative ... the fed reserve was under attack as his secretary was against the fed bank ... israel would not be nuclear and vietnam would have been the quagmire that never happened ... cia wouldn't have been the bush drug cartel and organized crime would have been under attack ... now we need ron paul to correct the hell we got without him

kill the banks

[AceNZ]

On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business.

I know this information has been circulated in several videos and books, but it's incorrect.

Executive Order 11110 authorized the printing of $4B in silver certificates, should the occasion arise -- it had nothing to do with stripping anything from the Fed, and it wasn't an instruction to actually do the printing, only an authorization to do so. A similar order had been written in 1957, just six years before.



This executive order, since then, has never been repealed, but I am disgusted that none of our presidents since then have tried to use this executive order to put The Federal Reserve Bank out of the business.

This is also incorrect. It was rescinded by Reagan with Executive Order 12608 in 1987.



I am absolutely positive that JFK would be proud of Dr. Paul's courage and have created a discussion on Digg.com to promote this to the masses.

An I'm equally sure that he wouldn't be proud of Dr Paul. JFK was a democrat for one thing. He was also a life-long socialist and globalist. He attended the Fabian London School of Economics (Fabians are socialists), he participated in the destruction of the money supply, and engineered the transfer of wealth to foreign countries.

When it comes to fiscal policy, JFK is almost the polar opposite of Ron Paul.

[cageybee]

did you study history on another planet ?

i'd love to see where fed debt would be with him any day ... his fiscal policies were v fiscal conservative ... the fed reserve was under attack as his secretary was against the fed bank ... israel would not be nuclear and vietnam would have been the quagmire that never happened ... cia wouldn't have been the bush drug cartel and organized crime would have been under attack ... now we need ron paul to correct the hell we got without him

kill the banks


Amen!

[cageybee]

I know this information has been circulated in several videos and books, but it's incorrect.

Executive Order 11110 authorized the printing of $4B in silver certificates, should the occasion arise -- it had nothing to do with stripping anything from the Fed, and it wasn't an instruction to actually do the printing, only an authorization to do so. A similar order had been written in 1957, just six years before.




This is also incorrect. It was rescinded by Reagan with Executive Order 12608 in 1987.


Why did Reagan kill that order then? Why did the presidents after JFK and before Reagan did not continue with that order???

[crazyfacedjenkins]

Holy shit I can't believe I'm reading all this love for another corporate shill. He is just a cult of personality, get over him.

[Deborah K]

Holy shit I can't believe I'm reading all this love for another corporate shill. He is just a cult of personality, get over him.


Crazyface, you have some 'splainin' to do. Are you parroting someone else's opinion or can you cite some sources to back up your opinion of JFK? Let's debate this if you really believe this way about him.

[AceNZ]

Why is it such a bad quote? He's not talking about what you can do for your government, he's talking about what you can do for your fellow man, for your community. What the hell is so wrong with that?!

What's wrong with it is its hidden socialist implications. I'm OK with the first part, "ask not what your country can do for you" -- he should have stopped there. It's the second part that's wrong and evil. Why should I have to do anything special for my country (or for my community)? The implication is that what I'm already doing -- working hard and earning a living -- somehow isn't really helping society. Rather, I should give away some of my time, money or effort to others who haven't earned it. That's socialism, and it sucks.

[cageybee]

What's wrong with it is its hidden socialist implications. I'm OK with the first part, "ask not what your country can do for you" -- he should have stopped there. It's the second part that's wrong and evil. Why should I have to do anything special for my country (or for my community)? The implication is that what I'm already doing -- working hard and earning a living -- somehow isn't really helping society. Rather, I should give away some of my time, money or effort to others who haven't earned it. That's socialism, and it sucks.

he wasn't talking about socialism. he was talking about courage!

[electronicmaji]

I will never like a president who supported a stupid and pointless war and sent thousands of americans to die and be injured!

[kill the banks]

What's wrong with it is its hidden socialist implications. I'm OK with the first part, "ask not what your country can do for you" -- he should have stopped there. It's the second part that's wrong and evil. Why should I have to do anything special for my country (or for my community)? The implication is that what I'm already doing -- working hard and earning a living -- somehow isn't really helping society. Rather, I should give away some of my time, money or effort to others who haven't earned it. That's socialism, and it sucks.

bs ... redneck ... i lived it ... now we have communists in power ... thx


kill the banks

[Deborah K]

What's wrong with it is its hidden socialist implications. I'm OK with the first part, "ask not what your country can do for you" -- he should have stopped there. It's the second part that's wrong and evil. Why should I have to do anything special for my country (or for my community)? The implication is that what I'm already doing -- working hard and earning a living -- somehow isn't really helping society. Rather, I should give away some of my time, money or effort to others who haven't earned it. That's socialism, and it sucks.

Put the quote in context. To me it seems like he's telling us we're on the road to a nanny state....."ask not what your country can do for you...."

[Deborah K]

I will never like a president who supported a stupid and pointless war and sent thousands of americans to die and be injured!


It was LBJ who got us into the war.

[AceNZ]

Why did Reagan kill that order then? Why did the presidents after JFK and before Reagan did not continue with that order???

The order was on the books that whole time. Silver certificates could have been printed at any time during that period if they were needed.

The US was taken off of the silver and gold standards when Nixon backed out of the Bretton Woods agreement in 1971 (effectively declaring bankruptcy, though no one dared call it that). In the same way that coins were no longer made of silver, silver certificates were no longer wanted or needed, so the original order no longer made sense. For some reason it took the executive branch another 16 yrs to get around to cleaning up the records and rescinding it (the delay shouldn't surprise you -- after all, this is government we're talking about).

[kill the banks]

I will never like a president who supported a stupid and pointless war and sent thousands of americans to die and be injured!

then tell it to ike ... he learned the truth and opposed the military industrial banking complex and secret societies and wanted out of the quagmire

kill the banks

[cageybee]

I will never like a president who supported a stupid and pointless war and sent thousands of americans to die and be injured!


Quote from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War :

"Kennedy's policy towards South Vietnam rested on the assumption that Diem and his forces must ultimately defeat the guerrillas on their own. He was against the deployment of American combat troops and observed that "to introduce U.S. forces in large numbers there today, while it might have an initially favorable military impact, would almost certainly lead to adverse political and, in the long run, adverse military consequences."

[electronicmaji]

It was LBJ who got us into the war.

And it was JFK who started it and let him do these things....:rolleyes:

[Deborah K]

Quote from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War :

"Kennedy's policy towards South Vietnam rested on the assumption that Diem and his forces must ultimately defeat the guerrillas on their own. He was against the deployment of American combat troops and observed that "to introduce U.S. forces in large numbers there today, while it might have an initially favorable military impact, would almost certainly lead to adverse political and, in the long run, adverse military consequences."


Furthermore:

"The "Vietnam War", which was a civil war was well underway before the US had any involvement, Kennedy sent additional American 'advisors' for a total of 16.200 (an increase of 4.000) from IKE's build-up after taking over from the defeated French expedition, to help the South Vietnamese. On Oct 6 1963 he signed an executive (NSAM 263) National Security Action Memorandum) report that provided for the removal of 1000 troops in December 1963 and the vast majority of troops were to be out by 1965. He strongly felt that this was a no win scenario, and that the Vietnamese people were not behind the corrupt government of South Viet-Nam . After JFK was killed, LBJ countermanded that order with NSAM 273, and increased the number of troops dramatically, eventually to 500.000 within 2 years, eventually resulting in the deaths of 58.000 American soldiers throughout the Johnson and Nixon presidencies. These soldiers died in vain, and tore the USA apart with civil strife and eventually culminated with the loss of American's trust in government with the final insult of the "Watergate travesty" which had ties all the way back to that dark day in Dallas on November 22, 1963, when America lost it's last independent leader, before the corporate military industrial take-over. JFK had warned us all . And we did not listen.. Now that's the way it was.

Kennedy had nothing to do with the start of the the Vietnam conflict. It was a civil war in Vietnam.

Eisenhower sent the first "advisors" into Vietnam on 12 February 1955. There were between 9-12 thousand US military serving in Vietnam when President Kennedy took office. CAT/Air American had a strong presence in support of the French long before that time. "

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_JFK_start_the_Vietnam_War

[electronicmaji]

Quote from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War :

"Kennedy's policy towards South Vietnam rested on the assumption that Diem and his forces must ultimately defeat the guerrillas on their own. He was against the deployment of American combat troops and observed that "to introduce U.S. forces in large numbers there today, while it might have an initially favorable military impact, would almost certainly lead to adverse political and, in the long run, adverse military consequences."

Nonetheless he supported a ruthless dictator, put him in power, and later had him killed.

[Deborah K]

Nonetheless he supported a ruthless dictator, put him in power, and later had him killed.

huh??:confused:

[cageybee]

The order was on the books that whole time. Silver certificates could have been printed at any time during that period if they were needed.

The US was taken off of the silver and gold standards when Nixon backed out of the Bretton Woods agreement in 1971 (effectively declaring bankruptcy, though no one dared call it that). In the same way that coins were no longer made of silver, silver certificates were no longer wanted or needed, so the original order no longer made sense. For some reason it took the executive branch another 16 yrs to get around to cleaning up the records and rescinding it (the delay shouldn't surprise you -- after all, this is government we're talking about).


Quote:

"Kennedy knew that if the silver-backed United States Notes were widely circulated, they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve Notes. This is a very simple matter of economics. The USN was backed by silver and the FRN was not backed by anything of intrinsic value. Executive Order 11110 should have prevented the national debt from reaching its current level (virtually all of the nearly $9 trillion in federal debt has been created since 1963) if LBJ or any subsequent President were to enforce it. It would have almost immediately given the U.S. Government the ability to repay its debt without going to the private Federal Reserve Banks and being charged interest to create new "money". Executive Order 11110 gave the U.S.A. the ability to, once again, create its own money backed by silver and realm value worth something."

[kill the banks]

Put the quote in context. To me it seems like he's telling us we're on the road to a nanny state....."ask not what your country can do for you...."

it was more like waking up from a sea of retardation in usa and world events [ the 50's were over and a new generation , new frontier was the call ] ~ people were inspired to participate in the process again ... nanny state is the problem now

also i don't think reagan had that executive order in his by name

kill the banks
edit i misread your post sorry you are correct as i reread it ! yes fdr was the nanny state and relatives in federal reserve traitor

[Mystile]

JFK is one of the most overrated presidents of all time.

[kill the banks]

And it was JFK who started it and let him do these things....:rolleyes:

not true ... inherited it from ike

kill the banks

[cageybee]

JFK is one of the most overrated presidents of all time.

A man that had a courage to fight the Banking Cartel and die for you in the process while all others have been pussies is called overrated???

[Deborah K]

it was more like waking up from a sea of retardation in usa and world events [ the 50's were over and a new generation , new frontier was the call ] ~ people were inspired to participate in the process again ... nanny state is the problem now



kill the banks


I disagree. FDR helped create the nanny state with SS and welfare. It was well entrenched by the time JFK was President.

[kill the banks]

I disagree. FDR helped create the nanny state with SS and welfare. It was well entrenched by the time JFK was President.

well fdr was a traitor to the banks and i agree ... i never blamed jfk or inferred that ? but today is the nanny state on steroids !

kill the banks

[Deborah K]

well fdr was a traitor to the banks and i agree ... i never blamed jfk or inferred that ? but today is the nanny state on steroids !

kill the banks


True dat

[gang]

It's good to see new members and more and more people getting to know about the FED and current monetary system. :)
Afaik Executive Order 11110 allowed ONLY the President to issue new silver certificates. So this order returned this authority back to government away from the FED.

But I have to admit, that I don't like this quote either.
I use it in bit adjusted matter.

Ask not what your country can do for you,
ask not what you can do for your country either -
do ask what government actually does to you.

[cageybee]

It's good to see new members and more and more people getting to know about the FED and current monetary system. :)
Afaik Executive Order 11110 allowed ONLY the President to issue new silver certificates. So this order returned this authority back to government away from the FED.

But I have to admit, that I don't like this quote either.
I use it in bit adjusted matter.

Ask not what your country can do for you,
ask not what you can do for your country either -
do ask what government actually does to you.

Gang, when JFK said that, he was talking about courage.

[gang]

Gang, when JFK said that, he was talking about courage.

I know, but it sounds pretty much pro statism when you don't know the rest of his speech.
It for sure would not be amiss to specify it a bit. Don't you think so? ;)

[cageybee]

I know, but it sounds pretty much pro statism when you don't know the rest of his speech.
It for sure would not be amiss to specify it a bit. Don't you think so? ;)

Yes, sir or ma'am :)

[cageybee]

so, does anyone else want to comment on this?