Does the GOP even want the GOP to win the election??

[Santana28]

you know... i'm starting to get the impression that the GOP doesn't even want the GOP to win anymore. Maybe they know they CANT. Maybe that's why they're so gung-ho about being "Pro-War" and not backing down (and trying to cover up the fact that there IS an anti-war Republican out there!). Maybe thats why they keep bring in new candidate after candidate - eventually SOMEONE will win, but no one with the majority confidence needed in order to have a chance against Hillary/Obama/Edwards. Of course we all know Ron Paul would win, but thats exactly why they would rather pretend he doesn't exist then attack him repeatedly out in the open.

I mean, most uninformed people take it as supposed common knowledge that the Democratic party is the "Anti-War, Anti-Bush" party. Not a lot of people realize that most of the Democratic candidates are following the same agenda as Bush and Co. - they're just playing opposites really... "If you're for this, i'm against it." Thats why i think people have gotten a little fed up with the Democratic party in the first place - they can tell you they're against Bush's policies until they are blue in the face - but you ask them what they are FOR, and they have nothing but vague generalities "Um... war is bad. Starving children are bad. Diversity is good!" BLAH. Politics as usual. Divide - and conquer.

I dont know if it would even show up anywhere - but it might be worth looking into people or groups with GOP ties funding Democratic candidates...

[SWATH]

Yea I think they just want to pass the baton

[Thatguyuknow]

The GOP has no chance of winning with a pro-war Bush part deux candidate. Giuliani surprisingly polled high early on, but as republicans and democrats learned more about him.. *keys in bomb dropping sount byte*

Jeez, just look at this poll, where voters identify themselves as voting for democrat or republican next election cycle.
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm

It's more than 2:1 democrat/republican

[freelance]

It's the Clinton's turn. Next up? Jeb!

[Johnnybags]

The rumor mill says anyway. No more Clinton or Bush, PLEASE!!!!!

[Mom4Ron]

" Does the GOP even want the GOP to win the election??"

It doesn't really look that way, does it?

[Ron Paul Fan]

Of course they want to win, but like the President, they're stubborn and they've lost their way. They don't seem to remember the same George Bush who criticized Gore and the Clinton Administration for getting involved in nation building projects in the 2000 election debates. I wish they would realize that Ron Paul is the closest thing to their traditional beliefs of less government spending and lower taxes. I agree with others on the forum that Dr. Paul is the only Republican candidate that stands a chance against the Democrats. I don't know why people are supporting people like Giuliani who promote invading more countries, more government, and spending more money. There's nothing conservative about most of his views.

[Thatguyuknow]

If Hillary Clinton got the presidency and was followed by Jeb Bush, history students (if there's any history left to be taught) would rate this generation as the most retarded generation of American history.

[Original_Intent]

If Hillary Clinton got the presidency and was followed by Jeb Bush, history students (if there's any history left to be taught) would rate this generation as the most retarded generation of American history.

You forget that the victors WRITE the history books.

[TheEvilDetector]

Electoral college is a funny thing you know.

Even if RP got 100% of the popular vote, all the republican electors could still choose democrats.

Over 20 states do not even punish faithless electors as far as I know.

[Slugg]

I agree, I don't think the GOP want to win. I think they are tossing up their scraps, just going through the motions. Perhaps Mitt is really 'trying' (spending 6 mil of your own money is pretty convincing).

[TheEvilDetector]

If you think about it, it really is a one party system.

The common characteristics of Repubocrats:

1) Big Government
2) Big Spending
3) Pro-Corporate
4) Pro-Globalisation

Its globalism, socialism and fascism mixed up.

[quickmike]

The rumor mill says anyway. No more Clinton or Bush, PLEASE!!!!!

No s--t!!! Is this country becoming a monarchy or something? 300 + million people in this country to choose from for president, and we have had the same two families in(bushs & clintons) the white house in one form or another since 1980? What the hell is going on here? People are STOOOOPID. I hope the sheeple are waking up.

[TheEvilDetector]

No s--t!!! Is this country becoming a monarchy or something? 300 + million people in this country to choose from for president, and we have had the same two families in(bushs & clintons) the white house in one form or another since 1980? What the hell is going on here? People are STOOOOPID. I hope the sheeple are waking up.

But you see the system is screwed up.

If 51% of the people in a state choose a republican, that means ONLY republican electors get to cast the actual votes. In other words, the electoral college wipes out the minority entirely within the state. The only reason why they even implemented this system, is to give small states more of a say in the election.

This is the height of absurdity. Wiping out the voice of minorities to protect minorities.

I guess, in retrospect, this was done to please the small states and allow the union to be more cohesive.

http://www.fec.gov/pdf/eleccoll.pdf

[Original_Intent]

I think they want to win, but if they were left with a choice between RP and almost any dem, they would put on donkey suits.

[Johnnybags]

Its virtually all CFC members, the Repubs want low income tax, high inflation tax and the Dems want both. Its the CFC election and they allow you to pick one. Is'nt that nice.

[Richie]

I hate to sound like such a conspiracy theorist, but have you guys considered the possibility that the Republicans will steal the election? Think about it. I can see why Bush was elected for his first term, but I was surprised when he was elected for a second term. Maybe he wasn't. I'm not saying that there was or will be widespread voter fraud, I just want to consider the possibility. There is no difference between Democrats and Republicans. Both parties would do anything to win.

Another possibility is the plans for the North American Union. Most of the Democrat and Republican politicians support this. Perhaps that is the ultimate goal, and the Republicans feel they don't have to try as hard to get elected. This would also explain why they're trying to silence Ron Paul. If he wins the primary, those plans would go down the toilet (where they should be).

[freelance]

I hate to sound like such a conspiracy theorist, but have you guys considered the possibility that the Republicans will steal the election?

IF there is an election, they will probably make sure that Hillary wins. She's up to bat, by whatever means and methods.


Another possibility is the plans for the North American Union.

Or martial law.

[Johnnybags]

Thats one way to get the troops home because if our defacto king Nero declares that he will certainly need the help at home, thats for sure.

[pazzo83]

But you see the system is screwed up.

If 51% of the people in a state choose a republican, that means ONLY republican electors get to cast the actual votes. In other words, the electoral college wipes out the minority entirely within the state. The only reason why they even implemented this system, is to give small states more of a say in the election.

This is the height of absurdity. Wiping out the voice of minorities to protect minorities.

I guess, in retrospect, this was done to please the small states and allow the union to be more cohesive.

http://www.fec.gov/pdf/eleccoll.pdf

The flip though is that if we elected the president based on popular vote only, we'd no longer really be a mixed-system republic. A system wherein the majority will determines the legislative AND executive branches is a system I don't think the founders envisioned.

Why not have the electors vote in a proportional manner based on how the state votes? Each elector represents a Congressional district in that state?