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voytechs
01-16-2008, 09:34 PM
Neat article:

http://www.newhavenadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=5323


Election 2008: Did Ron Paul Break Fox News?
Indeed he may have?if the South Carolina GOP debate was any indication.
By Phil Maymin Two days before the New Hampshire primary, Fox News staged a forum for the Republican presidential candidates and invited everyone who was at the ABC debate the day before, except for Ron Paul. They introduced the forum by saying that the GOP nominee would be one of the five candidates who were there, a statement clearly meant to suggest that Ron Paul doesn't have a chance to win.
That may have been the straw that broke the camel's back, if the camel was an American populace growing increasingly impatient and frustrated with Faux News propaganda.
Fox News wanted to have a forum where it talked with the five GOP candidates who basically agree with their way of thinking: who like the war in Iraq, who like the surge, who want to increase troops in the region, and who have no problem with an eventual war against Iran. What they didn't count on was the depth of support for Ron Paul.
It is hard to measure Paul's support. He is the most-searched-for candidate on the internet, by far, outpacing every Democrat and Republican. He probably raised the most money last quarter (probably, because he reports his donations live while others wait for the FEC deadline at the end of the month). In a graphic map of Meetup groups, other candidates have patches of red dots, while Paul's map is a solid red across the entire country. He has won almost every post-debate poll. Independent Paul supporters have helped him raise $10 million over two days, setting and breaking his own record. There is a blimp flying around the country that asks Who is Ron Paul? on one side and suggests you Google Ron Paul on the other.
Yet Paul came in fifth in both Iowa and New Hampshire. True, he beat Rudy Giuliani in the first, and nearly tied him in the second, despite the fact that Giuliani apparently spent more time campaigning in both states. But still, the other measures of Paul's support would suggest he should be winning these primaries, possibly by a landslide.
So is the mystery, why does Paul not do better in primaries? Or is the mystery, why does his support seem larger than it is?
It's almost an impossible question to answer. Almost because we now have, thanks to Fox News, proof in the stock market that the support is genuine, and the primary results so far are the aberrations.
The news that Fox News would be excluding Ron Paul from its N.H. debate came on Dec. 27. From that day on, the stock price of News Corp., its parent company, fell every day, losing a cumulative 10 percent, or about $6 billion, over the next seven days.
To be sure, other media companies fell as well. Time Warner and Viacom each fell about 6 percent over that period. The Paul supporters who spread the message of selling News Corp. stock, boycotting Fox News advertisers, and otherwise imposing their economic will cost the media giant billions.
The bleeding stopped Jan. 8, when Fox News relented to the economic pressure and invited Paul to the South Carolina debates. The stock price gained nearly 4 percent in just two days, right back in line with the other media companies.
Those debates were held last week. They were very similar to all the earlier debates, to which Paul had been invited. Other candidates get asked about policy issues while Paul gets asked about his electability. Other candidates snipe at each other and in particular Paul, while Paul ignores them and talks solely about the issues, the only candidate to answer every question that is asked.
But there was one major difference: Whereas in past debates, Paul received a vanishingly small portion of air time, in this one he received approximately equal time. I counted the number of words each candidate uttered. Paul surpassed the word output of John McCain, Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson, and Rudy Giuliani. Only Mike Huckabee said more words.
Maybe it's because Paul talks faster than the others, or because he needed to respond to accusations against him by the other candidates. Or maybe Fox News has realized that the people buttering its proverbial bread are conservatives like Paul and they are trying to recapture that key demographic.
That was, in essence, the only difference in this debate. Everyone else still wants to keep our troops overseas. Everyone else is itching to go to war in Iran at the slightest provocation. Everyone else thinks it is up to the government and the Federal Reserve to stimulate the economy. Only Paul wants to bring our troops home, abolish the IRS, abolish the Federal Reserve, and slash our debt, spending and warring.
On the poll run by Fox News, where viewers can only vote once per cell phone number, the winner of the debate was, as always, Ron Paul.
editor@newhavenadvocate.com

LandonCook
01-16-2008, 09:35 PM
Fuck yeah!!!

Shink
01-16-2008, 09:40 PM
Nice to hear about the actual $ amount they cost themselves because of us.

2young2vote
01-16-2008, 09:47 PM
Wow i didn't think it would actually work.... 6 billion dollars is alot of money ahhahahaha

corsairtro
01-16-2008, 09:51 PM
6 billion in market cap isn't real money lost or gained unless murdoch had bought all the shares at the high and sold at the low.

Iwantchange
01-16-2008, 10:00 PM
sweet!

Iwantchange
01-16-2008, 10:02 PM
You know this actually brings a question to the forefront of this campaign, should we really push the idea of boycotting the news until they decide to be fair.

JordanQ72
01-16-2008, 10:13 PM
I know you guys like optimism, but this just isn't grounded in reality.

The stock price movement is inline with various peers. I didn't see anything hinting at our boycott having done much of anything, rather larger market movements dragging the stock up and down.

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5994/nwssj9.png

All I see is a sector trending along with each other, inline with even broader market indexes, and on closer inspection, NWS outperforming the DJIA and various others in the sector


when Fox News relented to the economic pressure and invited Paul to the South Carolina debates

And this just never happened. Ron was scheduled to be in SC for a while.

RPatTheBeach
01-16-2008, 10:14 PM
What a crock of shit that article is. All it does is look at Fox's stock price. It doesn't compare it to its' competitors stock prices, nor does it look at general market trends. In case you guys haven't noticed, a majority of stocks are in a landslide lately. This has NOTHING to do with Ron Paul OR his supporters.

Biased, one sided, half-informed article.

NY4RP
01-16-2008, 10:17 PM
The only effect you will have on FOX News is if you write to sponsors, boycott sponsors, etc.

It won't be anything quickly or easily measured- just do what you can and take pride in the fact that you are in no way supporting NewsCorp and FOX News.

acptulsa
01-17-2008, 08:44 AM
Someone who pulls stations in only over the airwaves volunteering to list the advertisers on Faux for boycott purposes? We can set up a special thread. It needs to be someone off cable/dish because only then can Faux be monitored without bumping its ratings one bit.

ecliptic
01-17-2008, 08:58 AM
You know this actually brings a question to the forefront of this campaign, should we really push the idea of boycotting the news until they decide to be fair.

NO, we should Boycott Olde Media until they DIE! ( and by "DIE!!!!" I mean "go out of business due to lack of viewers" )

Permanently.

Forever.

crazyfacedjenkins
01-17-2008, 08:59 AM
Man a lot of people have no idea how the stock market works.

voytechs
01-17-2008, 09:25 AM
Well, all I can say, if Ron Paul investors had pulled their money out of that stock, they would be better off by not loosing due to over-all decline. The stock market is going a lot lower, so I hope nobody here is long in NWS.