Are "PC Libertarians" Really Statists in Disguise?

[Bradley in DC]

http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/46477.html

Are "PC Libertarians" Really Statists in Disguise?

Among the more curious arguments made in the wake of the Ron Paul newsletters affair is the charge that those libertarians who decried the racism and homophobia of the newsletters are revealing their underlying statism. The most complete version of this argument is here. You can also see it here, where I've been declared a "Libertarian War Criminal" for "Siding with the State’s Thought Control in the Ron Paul Newsletter Affair." It has also been made in different forms, or cut and pasted from the first blog, into a number of comments threads at Hit & Run and elsewhere...

[Ernest]

You can definately see government public schools at work.

[Mark Rushmore]

Are "PC Libertarians" Really Statists in Disguise?

Yes.

[electronicmaji]

statists? We haven't had a statist movement in america for 50 years. Statists are just overglorified communists...so really....no..

[constituent]

statists? We haven't had a statist movement in america for 50 years. Statists are just overglorified communists...so really....no..

kidding, right?

and yes... i can think of several "libertarian" statists

[MsDoodahs]

"To suggest that anti-racism libertarians are somehow secret statists because opposition to racism must necessarily lead to state imposition of those views is both a distortion of the actual arguments people like me have made and flies in the face of a long history of libertarians being both anti-racist and anti-state."

And to suggest that those who defend the individual's right to be racist are somehow racists themselves is likewise a distortion, and flies in the face of libertarianism, period.

In answer to the question, are those "PC Libertarians" really statists in disguise?

Yes, most assuredly so.

<waves hello to the warmongering bunch of PC Libertarians at Cato and Reason>

[Cyclone]

"To suggest that anti-racism libertarians are somehow secret statists because opposition to racism must necessarily lead to state imposition of those views is both a distortion of the actual arguments people like me have made and flies in the face of a long history of libertarians being both anti-racist and anti-state."

And to suggest that those who defend the individual's right to be racist are somehow racists themselves is likewise a distortion, and flies in the fact of libertarianism, period.

In answer to the question, are those "PC Libertarians" really statists in disguise?

Yes, most assuredly so.

<waves hello to the warmongering bunch of PC Libertarians at Cato and Reason>

Stands next to Ms. Doodahs and waves as well.

[LibertyOfOne]

How does one who does not want to be associated with racism a statist? There is no use of government force to not associated with or tolerate racist shit. By Libertarian standards Ron is a statist. Just that he is the least statist of those running.

[CountryboyRonPaul]

Are "PC Libertarians" Really Statists in Disguise?

Having discretion about what one associates with does not make one a Statist.

That's like saying Gays that don't make out in public are statists for conforming to the whims of society and culture.

A Candidate that has no discretion is a candidate who fails in our stupid PC system.

This really has to be one of the saddest things I've heard in a while

[Ernest]

Well said!

[BarryDonegan]

"creedism" is the belief that having certain beliefs or values makes one more or less superior.

it is protected by the EXACT same line in the bill of rights as race and religion

[ErikBlack]

Exactly!

[Detonator]

This is absurd. Statists arguing statists. To anarchists, everyone here is a statist. If you would really like to argue this, start this discussion at Strike The Root. (http://www.strike-the-root.com/cgi-local/yabb/YaBB.pl)

[constituent]

This is absurd. Statists arguing statists. To anarchists, everyone here is a statist. If you would really like to argue this, start this discussion at Strike The Root. (http://www.strike-the-root.com/cgi-local/yabb/YaBB.pl)

so i guess that'd be the 'official' hangout for the real 'anarchists' :rolleyes: