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Razmear
07-26-2007, 07:50 AM
Fred Thompson has been watching the success of the grassroots effort of the Ron Paul campaign, and lacking any true grassroots support of his own, I believe he has resorted to hiring Blogger Mercenaries to spread his word.
Yes there are companies that will gladly supply you with a few hundred keyboard warriors who will spread your message for a price.
These Mercenaries can be used to spread the word of their sponsor and disrupt the works of their competition at the same time.
So when you see a troll here, or a totally irrational FredHead trying to stir the shit, please be aware that you might be arguing with someone who is being paid by the word to argue back.

Here is a link to a real company that will sell you an army of Blog Warriors:
http://www.winningcampaigns.org/eblast/advantageblog/advantageblog.html

eb

MsDoodahs
07-26-2007, 07:54 AM
Seems to me that we've had quite the invasion of late, so you may very well be correct on this, Raz.

Thanks for the heads up. :)

Razmear
07-26-2007, 07:57 AM
If Fred ever releases his financial data, I'll be checking the report for a payment to this company.

eb

ButchHowdy
07-26-2007, 07:58 AM
Did anyone else catch it but it looks like Ron himself came on this site yesterday to explain the rude infiltrator - he said something so adorable like

"There coming here cause we're over there [Thompson's site]"

Gotta love this guy!

MsDoodahs
07-26-2007, 07:59 AM
Isn't that why Fred HASN'T announced?

He's trying to avoid for as long as possible compliance with regs to release data, come under FEC stuff, etc, etc.

He's a snake.

ecliptic
07-26-2007, 08:02 AM
Please avoid wasting any time on other candidates forums - this is totally detrimental to the cause. In fact almost all time in the virtual world is wasted time - if you want to see things change for the better... hit the streets!

freelance
07-26-2007, 08:06 AM
He can hire mercenaries all day long, but they the blog entries will show a total lack of passion. Unless you are thoroughly familiar with your subject and sincerely believe what you write, you come off flat. The serious RP blog entries and the entries on this forum are full of passion--straight from the heart. That's something that money can't buy.

Dartan
07-26-2007, 08:08 AM
I think thats great, more power to the industrious guy who thought up this business. I don't see it being very effective against us. With RP's message, I don't lose debates except on basic ideology (I'm amazed how many socialists are out there and how many of them get upset when you refer to their ideas as socialist). Generally, they just degenerate into calling us names or just saying 'RP can't win' with nothing to back it up.

constituent
07-26-2007, 08:23 AM
Dartan -

For you socialist friends

... though he is extremely unpopular here and RP has attacked him outright...

Look to Trotsky and read Permanent Revolution with an open mind and remember he was talking about Russia circa last century and try to keep it in that context. You will see on short order why (as I believe) true free markets are the same thing as socialism and vice versa.

Also, I've said it here before too... but, Socialism vs. Capitalism is a false dichotomy (the real spectrum runs from sociaism to fascism... we often mistakenly refer to Russia or China as Socialist when they were clearly fascist regimes) largely constructed and perpetuated through right wing groups like the American Legion post WWI. You might also find it helpful to read up on the development of the independent school district and the political/monetary forces behind it.

Happy hunting!

beermotor
07-26-2007, 08:54 AM
Socialism = government control of stuff.

Free-markets = individual control of stuff.


These two do not square. Care to explain?

Scribbler de Stebbing
07-26-2007, 09:08 AM
Did anyone else catch it but it looks like Ron himself came on this site yesterday to explain the rude infiltrator - he said something so adorable like

"There coming here cause we're over there [Thompson's site]"

Gotta love this guy!

I don't think Dr Paul knows how to type. :D Doesn't need to. We've got him covered.

james1844
07-26-2007, 09:20 AM
Maybe we should hire those guys...

Razmear
07-26-2007, 09:23 AM
Maybe we should hire those guys...

No need, we have enough real supporters. It's folks like Fred and Rudy who will resort to hiring companies like that to smear their opponents.

eb

freelance
07-26-2007, 09:46 AM
We don't need to SPAM, and that's spamming!

Dustancostine
07-26-2007, 09:54 AM
Dartan -

but, Socialism vs. Capitalism is a false dichotomy (the real spectrum runs from sociaism to fascism... we often mistakenly refer to Russia or China as Socialist when they were clearly fascist regimes) l

The reason why you probably don't trust Capitalism is because we have never had a truly free market. We came close in the 19th century with amazing results. But the philosophy behind Socialism and Fascism is the same: collectivism, and neither ever survives very long. Also the more free market element of a economic system the better it does. Take you China example. While they originally held a communist mentality, their economy sucked. When they started adding Capitalistic elements, it has been booming. If China ever became free and had a free market I promise you they would do truly amazing things.

constituent
07-26-2007, 10:06 AM
Beermotor-

The issue here is the way in which we conceptualize human governance.

Consider corporations - you can't eat w/out income, can't pay rent so you have to get a job. Sadly, most people get stuck in the job they can get. Employers govern what the employed wear, when they can and cannot use the restroom, what constitutes acceptable conversation, etc. In this manner, employers are a mechanism of human governance (let's not even get into credit reporting standards, drug tests which amount to corporate enforcement of federal policies, etc.)

Now briefly examine the idealistic notions behind socialism (this'll be broad brushed, I know). People get together and pool their labor to create a good or service which keeps employment up. Those employees need resources to continue life which allows them to work and continue to perpetuate the system. Ideally, the goods/services produced will work in conjunction with other aspects of a healthy economy creating a better world. This is the same arguement that pro-capitalism folks use to justify their economic theory (think "growing the economy").

Just as free-markets will exist regardless of government interference (see bootlegging, black markets) so will true socialism (see social entrepreneurship, community outreach, personal charity). Consolidated authority, be it in terms of regulated currency or monolithic statism is the enemy of both true socialism and "capitalism" (which of course I feel are inseperable from one another).

"Communism" as we have come to know it is the complete opposite of socialism and is, in fact, fascism. When people are forced to sacrifice their time/property/efforts etc. they have become pawns to the king whether or not that king is an individual or a small group of ruling elite. It is important to remember that both Stalin and Mao were fascists supported by the upper-crusts of their respective societies. Trotsky broke with the original October Revolution crew because he came to realize the corrupting force of power and authority and that real revolutions cannot be bottled in a single moment... that's why he was later declared an "unperson" and his pictured were even removed from all official records.

I find it telling that somehow his unperson status has been voluntarily adopted by the American people as well. The knee-jerk reaction people have when one even mentions him should speak volumes about our own communistic programming here in the states. Again, I would recommend reading Permanent Revolution and sitting on it for a couple of weeks... also, keep in mind that the real revolution will one day come and it will be a revolution of the mind... not of arms.

constituent
07-26-2007, 10:07 AM
I agree w/ free markets 100%, you'll find no greater advocate for them than myself (a very small business owner).

lucius
07-26-2007, 10:32 AM
I am not very comfortable with this action on American soil, which is out of CENTCOM’s area of responsibility; it is part of the full-spectrum informational dominance mandate.

Electronic Media Engagement Team U.S. Central Command Public Affairs: CENTCOM announced earlier this year (2006) that they have a team of employees who would be engaging bloggers who are posting “inaccurate or untrue information”, as well as bloggers who are posting “incomplete information”.

U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) – One of nine Unified Combatant Commands assigned operational control of U.S. combat forces.

ButchHowdy
07-26-2007, 10:36 AM
I don't think Dr Paul knows how to type. :D Doesn't need to. We've got him covered.


Really, I'm sure there's a way to check. The person's name was 'Ron Paul' with an address of Lake Jackson and Ron's PIC.

I doubt that was a mercinary!

P.S. I checked the master file and no one fits that description . . . O JOSHIE!! Have you cloaked The Chrome?!?