Grassroots Conflict of interest with Grassroots Campaign and HQ - RE:CATO

[steph3n]

It does seem that CATO is behind a lot of recent articles pulling up old info and continuing attacks on Dr Paul if all accounts are to be believed. I want to bring up here a massive Conflict of interest.

Among our groups we are providing tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands to CATO buying their pocket constitutions, in addition this is advertising for them in the front page, and on the back. I know that in NH alone we gave away over 10,000 pocket constitutions from CATO.

We need to find another source!

[Thomas Paine]

It's time to bring CATO down!

[hawks4ronpaul]

It does seem that CATO is behind a lot of recent articles pulling up old info and continuing attacks on Dr Paul if all accounts are to be believed. I want to bring up here a massive Conflict of interest.

Among our groups we are providing tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands to CATO buying their pocket constitutions, in addition this is advertising for them in the front page, and on the back. I know that in NH alone we gave away over 10,000 pocket constitutions from CATO.

We need to find another source!


If they do not give refunds, you could deface all your CATO materials (to remove re-sale value) and mail everything back to them.


http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

[steph3n]

If they do not give refunds, you could deface all your CATO materials (to remove re-sale value) and mail everything back to them.


http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

well hard to get a refund on something you already passed out....it isn't what I was talking about.

We just need a new source going FORWARD from today.

[Wyurm]

well hard to get a refund on something you already passed out....it isn't what I was talking about.

We just need a new source going FORWARD from today.

http://www.nccs.net/us_constitution.html

I didn't check to see if they have any affiliation with CATO, but I don't think they do.

[Dave Wood]

ANYONE who slanders Paul or US for that matter needs to receive a painful lesson immediately. From here on out, I dont care what the "your going to give us a bad name" crowd thinks, imho they are wrong. Everyone out there is trying to paint us one way or another. It is time to confront, forcefully. What happens when you run from a barking dog? He chases you! What happens when you show that dog who is boss, he backs down.

I am NOT talking violence here....lets be clear. Everyone has a weakness, find theirs and exploit it.

[pinkmandy]

bump

[steph3n]

Hitting groups in the pocketbook is the best answer every time.

[steph3n]

i am bumping this because it is actually important that we stop funding CATO.

So many other ideas on here are minor, this one can be pretty large, funding the people that work against us is not wise.

[dshields]

I agree. Drop CATO and send them a clear, financial rebuttal to there recent bashing of the only Constitutionalist candidate.

Dave

[ConstitutionGal]

Get 'em from the John Birch Society. They have been faithful backers of Dr. Paul for YEARS now and they sell a pocket Declaration of Independence and Constitution on their American Opinion Bookstore:

http://aobs-store.com/store/ (scroll down and type in Pocket Constitution in the search box on the left)

Support those who support Dr. Paul!!

[Badger Paul]

You mean "STATO" Institutue

[Bradley in DC]

Eric "Dondero" Rittberg is the primary one stirring this pot.

Are there personalities, egos, histories, donor competition and everything else at work here? Yes, but that is true of all of these kinds of groups.

[Wyurm]

Eric "Dondero" Rittberg is the primary one stirring this pot.

Are there personalities, egos, histories, donor competition and everything else at work here? Yes, but that is true of all of these kinds of groups.

Any ideas about how to put a lid on this pot?

[Bradley in DC]

Any ideas about how to put a lid on this pot?

It NEEDS to be addressed and explained and put in its proper context. The Reason article does some of that.

[liberty_Forever]

fuck CATO, they are a bunch of technocrats

[j0ew00ds]

Get 'em from the John Birch Society. They have been faithful backers of Dr. Paul for YEARS now and they sell a pocket Declaration of Independence and Constitution on their American Opinion Bookstore:

http://aobs-store.com/store/ (scroll down and type in Pocket Constitution in the search box on the left)

Support those who support Dr. Paul!!

+1 JBS rules.

[bluemarkets]

here is another cheap alternative ... dont know much about them

National Center for Constitutional Studies
http://www.nccs.net/us_constitution.html

[liberty_Forever]

Also, check out http://givemeliberty.org

[AlexMerced]

CATO has just made on hell of an enemy

[MsDoodahs]

You mean "STATO" Institutue

lol....

[MsDoodahs]

Eric "Dondero" Rittberg is the primary one stirring this pot.



Proof please. :)

[Xenophage]

CATO is not the problem. CATO is one of the only organizations, especially high-profile, that fights for libertarianism in American politics.

CATO, like Reason Magazine, are motivated by the desire to distance libertarian philosophy from allegations of racism. They care more about the preservation of the integrity of the philosophy than they do about Ron Paul's campaign. To them it is not about any single face or personality.

I agree with that stance. I don't think they're hurting us. Libertarians that pay attention to CATO and Reason support Ron Paul anyway, because he supports them and they know it.

But what happens four years from now when another libertarian comes along and runs for president, and the media starts to portray him as being associated with a racist political philosophy? Well, we point back and say hey, these libertarian publications were denouncing all of this stuff to begin with.

[mosquitobite]

CATO is not the problem. CATO is one of the only organizations, especially high-profile, that fights for libertarianism in American politics.


I unsubscribed to CATO about a week or so ago (maybe 2). It had nothing to do with them smearing Dr Paul. There was an article on the Presidential race, and not ONE WORD about Dr Paul. How can a libertarian organization act the same as the biased MSM? Oh - maybe because they ARE the same?

I wrote the editor an email to tell them why I was unsubscribing as well.

If they truly support libertarian ideals, Ron Paul is their closest match. The fact that they ignore him, tells me everything I need to know about their true positions.

[colin1]

CATO is not the problem. CATO is one of the only organizations, especially high-profile, that fights for libertarianism in American politics.

CATO, like Reason Magazine, are motivated by the desire to distance libertarian philosophy from allegations of racism. They care more about the preservation of the integrity of the philosophy than they do about Ron Paul's campaign. To them it is not about any single face or personality.

I agree with that stance. I don't think they're hurting us. Libertarians that pay attention to CATO and Reason support Ron Paul anyway, because he supports them and they know it.

But what happens four years from now when another libertarian comes along and runs for president, and the media starts to portray him as being associated with a racist political philosophy? Well, we point back and say hey, these libertarian publications were denouncing all of this stuff to begin with.

Are you kidding me? Four years from now? And what candidate would that be, pray tell? Ron Paul has done more for bringing libertarian ideas into the mainstream in the past six months than the Cato Institute has done since it's inception. My lib dem fiancee has come around to some libertarian positions via Ron Paul and believe me, she never would have read Reason.

[MsDoodahs]

CATO is not the problem.

CATO is the problem as far as I'm concerned. CATO is pro war. Reason is as well.

I am not.

:)

edited to add: I believe we have many Cato/reason apologists present in this forum - whether they are here to advance Ron's campaign - or damage it - is a question that the reader must decide for himself.

[billyjoeallen]

The MSM needs to know that CATO and REASON are not legitimate mouthpieces for libertarianism.

This could work out in our favor as the only thing preventing an alliance with left/anti-war activists is the perception that Dr. Paul is aligned with CATO and coporate elites.

This is obviously not true. Anyone have a connection at Daily Kos and the like?

get this meme out to our allies on the left: CATO hates Dr. Paul

the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[integrity]

SCREW "Stato and tReason"

read this article from tReason: http://reason.com/news/show/122632.html

[fuzzybekool]

bump

[John P Slevin]

Any ideas about how to put a lid on this pot?

Ignore Dondero, most do.

As for CATO, major funding comes from a handful of moneybag individuals and their organizations. Charles and David Koch started CATO...google it, and you'll find that KOCH Industries is the nation's largest privately held corporation. Charles divorced himself from CATO some time back but David still is on the board.

CATO advocates what is good for the people who write the big checks...they've long since lost any claim to consistent libertarian principles.

[free.alive]

CATO is corporatist.

What's that another name for?

[bolidew]

CATO is evil and need to be exposed!

[Johncjackson]

CATO is not the problem. CATO is one of the only organizations, especially high-profile, that fights for libertarianism in American politics.

CATO, like Reason Magazine, are motivated by the desire to distance libertarian philosophy from allegations of racism. They care more about the preservation of the integrity of the philosophy than they do about Ron Paul's campaign. To them it is not about any single face or personality.

I agree with that stance. I don't think they're hurting us. Libertarians that pay attention to CATO and Reason support Ron Paul anyway, because he supports them and they know it.

But what happens four years from now when another libertarian comes along and runs for president, and the media starts to portray him as being associated with a racist political philosophy? Well, we point back and say hey, these libertarian publications were denouncing all of this stuff to begin with.

Bingo.

[dawnbt]

Get 'em from the John Birch Society. They have been faithful backers of Dr. Paul for YEARS now and they sell a pocket Declaration of Independence and Constitution on their American Opinion Bookstore:

http://aobs-store.com/store/ (scroll down and type in Pocket Constitution in the search box on the left)

Support those who support Dr. Paul!!

+1000

[dawnbt]

Get 'em from the John Birch Society. They have been faithful backers of Dr. Paul for YEARS now and they sell a pocket Declaration of Independence and Constitution on their American Opinion Bookstore:

http://aobs-store.com/store/ (scroll down and type in Pocket Constitution in the search box on the left)

Support those who support Dr. Paul!!

They are a lot cheaper too!

[angrydragon]

This will explain a lot...

Cato Institute VP Sneers At Ron Paul: He’s Not Our ‘Kind of Person’!

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/07/cato-institute-vp-sneers-at-ron-paul-hes-not-our-kind-of-person/

The War Party Conquers Cato?

http://antiwar.com/blog/?p=2394

[John P Slevin]

It does seem that CATO is behind a lot of recent articles pulling up old info and continuing attacks on Dr Paul if all accounts are to be believed. I want to bring up here a massive Conflict of interest.

Among our groups we are providing tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands to CATO buying their pocket constitutions, in addition this is advertising for them in the front page, and on the back. I know that in NH alone we gave away over 10,000 pocket constitutions from CATO.

We need to find another source!

here's .50 cents apiece (http://www.nccs.net/us_constitution.html)

I just googled "pocket constitution" and there are other sources it looks like

[LibertyEagle]

I like the JBS, but they offer their Pocket Constitution in bulk at $1.50/each. The National Center for Constitutional Studies offers them in buld for .50/each. Seems like a better deal to me. :)

http://www.nccs.net/us_constitution.html

[Fields]

This is another great one; .45 each on orders of 100+

http://patriotshop.us/product_info.php?products_id=124&osCsid=d30bcbf224c944a06b4587cb888f82e5

[Fields]

We need to pick the best one and support them 100%

Any have any opinions on the best of all listed?

[Fields]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/8/7696540_fb275d0359.jpg?v=0