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SeekLiberty
07-25-2007, 06:46 PM
IMO, it's an urgent, immediate Republic emergency to impeach our key criminal leaders before it's too late! How long will WE THE PEOPLE tolerate this?

Here's an article of a professor who's been in the middle of the fight in Congress:

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6409

The National Campaign to Impeach President George W. Bush
by Prof. Francis A. Boyle

Global Research, July 25, 2007

Excerpt

"This impeachment debate lasted for two hours. It was presided over by Congressman Conyers, who quite correctly did not tip his hand one way or the other on the merits of impeachment. He simply moderated the debate between Clark and I, on the one side, favoring immediately filing Bills of Impeachment against Bush Jr. et al. to stop the threatened war, and almost everyone else there who were against impeachment for partisan political reasons. Obviously no point would be served here by attempting to digest a two-hour-long vigorous debate among a group of well-trained lawyers on such a controversial matter at this critical moment in American history. But at the time I was struck by the fact that this momentous debate was conducted at a private office right down the street from the White House on the eve of war.

Suffice it to say that most of the "experts" there opposed impeachment not on the basis of enforcing the Constitution and the Rule of Law, whether international or domestic, but on the political grounds that it might hurt the Democratic Party effort to get their presidential candidate elected in the year 2004. As a political independent, I did not argue that point. Rather, I argued the merits of impeaching Bush Jr., Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Ashcroft under the United States Constitution, U.S. federal laws, U.S. treaties and other international agreements to which the United States is a party, etc. Article VI of the U.S. Constitution provides that treaties "shall be the supreme Law of the Land." This so-called Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution also applies to international executive agreements concluded under the auspices of the U.S. President such as the 1945 Nuremberg Charter.

Congressman Conyers was so kind as to allow me the closing argument in the debate. Briefly put, the concluding point I chose to make was historical: The Athenians lost their democracy. The Romans lost their Republic. And if we Americans did not act now we could lose our Republic! The United States of America is not immune to the laws of history!

After two hours of most vigorous debate among those in attendance, the meeting adjourned with second revised draft Bills of Impeachment sitting on the table.

Certainly, if the U.S. House of Representatives can impeach President Clinton for sex and lying about sex, then a fortiori the House can, should, and must impeach President Bush Jr. for war, lying about war, and threatening more wars. All that is needed is for one Member of Congress with courage, integrity, principles and a safe seat to file these currently amended draft Bills of Impeachment against Bush Jr., Cheney, Rumsfeld, and now Attorney General Albert Gonzales, who bears personal criminal responsibility for the Bush Jr. administration torture scandal. Failing this, the alternative is likely to be an American Empire abroad, a U.S. police state at home, and continuing wars of aggression to sustain both-along the lines of George Orwell's classic novel 1984. Despite all of the serious flaws demonstrated by successive

United States governments that this author has amply documented elsewhere during the past quarter century as a Professor of Law, the truth of the matter is that America is still the oldest Republic in the world today. "We the People of the United States" must fight to keep it that way!"

Francis A. Boyle is a Professor of International Law and a human rights attorney. He is the author of Destroying World Order (2004, Clarity Press).

For the full article, go to ...

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6409

- SL

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mdh
07-25-2007, 09:42 PM
Two words: President Cheney.

I dunno that impeachment is all that useful a tool at this point. It's like shooting ducks out of an infinite line of ducks.

american.swan
07-26-2007, 12:09 AM
Two words: President Cheney.

I dunno that impeachment is all that useful a tool at this point. It's like shooting ducks out of an infinite line of ducks.

Yeah, we'd have to impeach them to the point where RON PAUL is the next president and that won't happen.

Lets impeach the NEOCONS buy voting for RON PAUL and impeach the NEOCONS buy never allowing another into office.

rpf2008
07-26-2007, 12:16 AM
Impeachment should take place to send the message : NO MORE.

This isn't just about Bush and Cheney, this is about our countries legacy.

So 50 years in the future they can't say we cared more about blowjobs than we do illegal wars, the raping of the constitution and so forth.

SeekLiberty
07-26-2007, 08:24 AM
Impeachment should take place to send the message : NO MORE.

This isn't just about Bush and Cheney, this is about our countries legacy.

So 50 years in the future they can't say we cared more about blowjobs than we do illegal wars, the raping of the constitution and so forth.

Exactly rpf2008. A lesson needs to be taught to our public "representatives" of WE THE PEOPLE.

- SL

SeekLiberty
07-26-2007, 08:28 AM
The only reason impeachment won't happen is because we have a majority of Congressmen whom are complicit TOO and ALSO need to be impeached. It's quite a delema for WE THE PEOPLE.

Even if Ron Paul got elected, he can't impeach this criminal majority.

So ... what do WE THE PEOPLE do to teach our public servant criminal "representatives" a lesson, and put the FEAR of WE THE PEOPLE back into their bones?

Right now, we have a criminal Government. No and's, if's, or but's.

Are WE THE PEOPLE's strategy just to wait 16 months down the road and hope for some miracle from God to handle this national emergency?

What can be done in the meantime before this allusive miracle? This emergency is NOW.

- SL

Johnnybags
07-26-2007, 08:31 AM
to replace the old guard Senators and put pressure on them now thru election. Ron could serve as solid support endorsing these constitution abiding candidates. We should get a target list of the old guard and support candidates who will enforce and obey the constitution.

SeekLiberty
07-26-2007, 08:41 AM
Two words: President Cheney.

I dunno that impeachment is all that useful a tool at this point. It's like shooting ducks out of an infinite line of ducks.

LOL.

But it's got to start somewhere to set an example, and then maybe, if were lucky, there would be a domino effect. Though my confidence is not too high at this point.

For me, what's happening is untolerable for a Free People. We have an out-of-control criminal Government which needs to be delt with immediately.

- SL

freelance
07-26-2007, 08:45 AM
It would compel testimony, and we all know how Jr. does when he goes off script. Just look at what Gonzo slipped during his latest testimony.

And, who's to say that he wouldn't spill a few CRIMINAL beans on Cheney during testimony?