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dseisner
07-25-2007, 06:34 PM
I work in a medical marijuana facility in Los Angeles where I actually only work 2-3 days a week, but the money I get from working there basically pays my bills. Today, the DEA ILLEGALLY raided at least 7 dispensaries in the area around where I work (probably more by now). They did something similar in January. I was forced to shut down the store and remove everything for fear of our store being ransacked. The cruel part about these raids is that the DEA rarely arrests anyone, they just take your stuff while the state and local cops (who by law, should be stopping them) stand by and hold off the protesters.

People with fatal or chronic illnesses who don't want to be treated by terrible western medicine rely on marijuana to ease their pain in ways "traditional" medicines cannot (there is much research to support this). And whether or not you believe in the concept of medical marijuana, I hope you believe in the constitution which does not permit the type of actions that the DEA (or IRS, or FDA, or AMA, etc.) are taking! Medical marijuana is a compassionate and thriving business in Los Angeles that a lot of people have come to rely on, including myself. There is a state law, passed by the people, Prop. 215 (11 years ago!), that is still in confliction with illegal Federal "laws." When is the madness going to stop?!

We must end this tyranny. This revolution must grow - and not for the sake of medical marijuana, but what it stands for, freedom. Help out in Iowa! We need people to pass out DVDs, call Iowans, and write Iowans. Everytime somebody you know complains about a law, say Ron Paul's name...better yet, educate them on how he will help make their lives better.

...And better yet, educate yourself about where your rights come from, state vs. federal citizenship, and individual sovereignty. Ok, we are fighting for Ron Paul, and against electronic voting machines...but none of this will help if we don't understand that are rights are inalienable under common law, yet the vast majority of us are tied to admirality (commercial/international) law. Learn more at www.livefreenow.org, www.civil-liberties.com, www.freedomabovefortune.com, etc. This is an uphill battle, but we've got the real ammo...let's get 'em.

DeadheadForPaul
07-25-2007, 06:38 PM
I've never understood why people feel so threatened by something that makes cancer patients feel no pain and gives college kids the munchies

lucius
07-25-2007, 06:41 PM
I've never understood why people feel so threatened by something that makes cancer patients feel no pain and gives college kids the munchies

DEA is just an enforcing agent of Big-pharma cabal.

kylejack
07-25-2007, 06:48 PM
Its ridiculous what the federal government is doing to these farmacies.

rpliving
07-25-2007, 08:43 PM
exercise the rights listed in the 2nd amendment.

Silverback
07-25-2007, 08:50 PM
exercise the rights listed in the 2nd amendment.


That's a bit extreme isn't it? What's he going to do shoot it out with the agents over some bud that doesn't even belong to him?

Not to mention the fact that possessing a firearm and a large quantity of MJ at the same time is bad juju legally, they can take those 2nd amendment rights from you permanently. (shouldn't be so but it is.)

Must admit it's be good for the JBTs to get some bad publicity over this kinda stuff though.

Mom4Ron
07-25-2007, 09:46 PM
I watched on C-Span tonight as they voted for more Federal intervention on patients' rights, by voting down the Hinchey-Rohrabacher Amendment. Even Bush gets that treatment should be between a doctor and their patient, whether he's astute enough to extrapolate that to the mmj issue is doubtful though.

I am seriously ready to expatriate if things continue as they are, my husband's protestations may not be enough to stop me from it as time goes by.

Man from La Mancha
07-25-2007, 10:43 PM
I believe it is their right as Paul does to take anything they want. Though I think morphine would work better. In my past I have done pot and it never seem to ease any pain for me. In fact I didn't like to take when I was in pain or suffering it ruined mt buzz.

Mom4Ron
07-25-2007, 11:06 PM
I don't know the ratio's, but I know a lot of mmj patients who aren't in it for the buzz. Why would anyone want to use something so damaging and incapacitating as morphine to deal with something that a natural God given remedy works fine for? That's kinda like using a shotgun to kill an ant.

V-rod
07-25-2007, 11:43 PM
exercise the rights listed in the 2nd amendment.
Ha, Ron Paul said civil disobedience is good, but he also said you have to accept the consequences of your actions. Better be ready to die for that weed, bud!

Marceline88
07-25-2007, 11:57 PM
I feel for you Dseisner, it's not right. I am sick and tired of the federal government prohibiting cannabis. It is a blessing, and an inexpensive, natural alternative to what big pharma wants to sell us.

Cannabis is only dangerous to rich old men, with massive amounts of capital invested in Dow Chemical, Steel, Lumber, Pharma, Petroleum, and so on because it is a cheap, and easily obtained alternative material that can be utilized in many industries.

Medicine, fuel, fiber, food.....this prohibited plant can be so much more than just a good buzz.

richard1984
07-26-2007, 12:16 AM
I believe it is their right as Paul does to take anything they want. Though I think morphine would work better. In my past I have done pot and it never seem to ease any pain for me. In fact I didn't like to take when I was in pain or suffering it ruined mt buzz.

So it's just like any other medicine--works for some, doesn't work so well for others. And besides, marijuana is very safe (you can't overdose). Morphine, on the other hand, is pretty damn hardcore. Also, marijuana is a good medicine for cancer and AIDS patients because it helps increase/create appetite. Many patients wither away because they are too sick to eat (and morphine definitely doesn't help with nausea), but I have read stories of people who prolonged their lives and increased their peace of mind, and some who were even able to beat their disease largely because smoking/vaporizing marijuana helped their body rebuild itself.

Also, though, I think that it's illegal status and the negative stigma make more experiences with smoking marijuana more difficult and unpleasant than they would be if we weren't so fearful of what might happen if we were caught, etc. I definitely think that this is a big factor.

Marijuana is one of the safest and widely effective medicines around. Of course, to each his/her own, but if it works for an individual, then by all means s/he should use it. It is much safer (when vaporized or eaten--and even when smoked, perhaps) than about any other medicine.
I definitey prefer it to Adderall as a daily treatment for my ADHD. Adderall has many negative side-effects--it is a much "harder" drug than marijuana. Marijuana can be an effective alternative choice of medicine for many people. (note: I'm not saying this as if I think that you don't know this. I'm just saying it.)

Peace!

richard1984
07-26-2007, 12:16 AM
I feel for you Dseisner, it's not right. I am sick and tired of the federal government prohibiting cannabis. It is a blessing, and an inexpensive, natural alternative to what big pharma wants to sell us.

Cannabis is only dangerous to rich old men, with massive amounts of capital invested in Dow Chemical, Steel, Lumber, Pharma, Petroleum, and so on because it is a cheap, and easily obtained alternative material that can be utilized in many industries.

Medicine, fuel, fiber, food.....this prohibited plant can be so much more than just a good buzz.

Right on!

Man from La Mancha
07-26-2007, 12:25 AM
I don't know the ratio's, but I know a lot of mmj patients who aren't in it for the buzz. Why would anyone want to use something so damaging and incapacitating as morphine to deal with something that a natural God given remedy works fine for? That's kinda like using a shotgun to kill an ant.

All I'm saying pot never eased any pain I had. I could see where it might be help to nausea or stimulate appetite. But an all raw organic vegan diet with herbs, hot cold water treatments, body massage, a stressfree environment and no toxic chemicals or soaps and tooth paste should cure most anything. And with cancer you can eat apricot kernels for the vitamin b17.

DjLoTi
07-26-2007, 12:31 AM
I should have the freaking right to smoke marijuana if I want to. I've been to Amsterdam.. they don't have tons of people being junkies on the streets. If I want to smoke weed, I should fucking have the right!

Truth is, nothing chilled me out like THC. They gave me adderall, an extremely hard and dangerous drug, because of ADHD. A fucking child! It's fucked up. Marijuana is just so much better. The reason it *is* illegal is because it is not good for the big companies having a lock on their renewable resources and chemical plants and plastics and polyester ect., ect.

Plus, the government makes too much money fighting the war on drugs

EVEN THOUGH 13 STATES FREAKING LEGALIZED IT! AND IT'S STILL AGAINST FEDERAL LAW!!!

dseisner
07-26-2007, 12:33 AM
I believe it is their right as Paul does to take anything they want. Though I think morphine would work better. In my past I have done pot and it never seem to ease any pain for me. In fact I didn't like to take when I was in pain or suffering it ruined mt buzz.


This is a legitimate claim. But it seems as though marijuana for medical purposes is not the answer for your pain relief. It is for some though...

I just spoke with two patients, one with gluacoma (you could see this in his eye) who's had surgery 24 times to try to see out of it. Another had a herniated disk. They BOTH have been addicted to Vicatin. The man with gluacoma said the Vicatin didn't even help him see much better, but claims now that he would not be able to leave the house without weed for lack of vision. The man with the herniated disk said he had 8 months of withdrawl from a year's worth of Vicatin. Why is the DEA and the president denying people of their RIGHT to relieve their pain and pushing harmful drugs for their own profits? This is pure evil at work.

We are open for business right now.

Please support this movement!

dseisner
07-26-2007, 12:35 AM
I should have the freaking right to smoke marijuana if I want to. I've been to Amsterdam.. they don't have tons of people being junkies on the streets. If I want to smoke weed, I should fucking have the right!

Truth is, nothing chilled me out like THC. They gave me adderall, an extremely hard and dangerous drug, because of ADHD. A fucking child! It's fucked up. Marijuana is just so much better. The reason it *is* illegal is because it is not good for the big companies having a lock on their renewable resources and chemical plants and plastics and polyester ect., ect.

Plus, the government makes too much money fighting the war on drugs

EVEN THOUGH 13 STATES FREAKING LEGALIZED IT! AND IT'S STILL AGAINST FEDERAL LAW!!!


Right on

dseisner
07-26-2007, 12:38 AM
Ha, Ron Paul said civil disobedience is good, but he also said you have to accept the consequences of your actions. Better be ready to die for that weed, bud!

He's right. But what I'm doing is legal and I feel positive about how I'm going about it. If I go to jail, it won't be for nothing.

Mom4Ron
07-26-2007, 12:38 AM
All I'm saying pot never eased any pain I had. I could see where it might be help to nausea or stimulate appetite. But an all raw organic vegan diet with herbs, hot cold water treatments, body massage, a stressfree environment and no toxic chemicals or soaps and tooth paste should cure most anything. And with cancer you can eat apricot kernels for the vitamin b17.
And that's precisely why these #$@#$%@#$ should have voted tonight to uphold each patients' rights.

No one's pain is the same or even from the same cause, no one's treatment or reaction to treatment will be the same. While your anecdotal evidence is interesting, that's the kind of crap that makes these !@#!@**&^*&^ up there think they know better than a patients' physician.

Syren123
07-26-2007, 12:40 AM
I watched on C-Span tonight as they voted for more Federal intervention on patients' rights, by voting down the Hinchey-Rohrabacher Amendment. Even Bush gets that treatment should be between a doctor and their patient, whether he's astute enough to extrapolate that to the mmj issue is doubtful though.

I am seriously ready to expatriate if things continue as they are, my husband's protestations may not be enough to stop me from it as time goes by.

Dana Rohrabacher (R-Huntington Beach, CA) is one of the few real fighters in Congress; not the statesman like Ron Paul, more of a politician but he's actually still maintained possession of his soul and more than a shred of integrity. Without him and a few other great Rs, CA would have been handed over to the socialists wholesale long ago.

Mom4Ron, here's my plan to mitigate my exposure to the NWO you may want to consider. Less drastic than full expatriation:

IF - and that's a big IF - Ron Paul is not elected, I will join the Free State Project in New Hampshire. If you agree with their intentions and join, you agree that once they reach 20,000 joined members, you will move to NH within 5 years. You can go earlier, but that's the agreement.

Part B is to put all my assets into an offshore trust www.trustprofessionals.com. This will help to maintain a low profile as far as govt intrusion is concerned. And once settled in NH, introduce my community to the Liberty Dollar and the concept of financial intimacy (www.libertydollar.org, www.solari.com).

Part C - live a happy, authentic life among others who want to be left alone by Big Brother and have a live-and-let-live attitude.

You might want to consider this. We should not be chased out of our own country by inbred elitists.

Mom4Ron
07-26-2007, 12:42 AM
I should have the freaking right to smoke marijuana if I want to. I've been to Amsterdam.. they don't have tons of people being junkies on the streets. If I want to smoke weed, I should fucking have the right!

Truth is, nothing chilled me out like THC. They gave me adderall, an extremely hard and dangerous drug, because of ADHD. A fucking child! It's fucked up. Marijuana is just so much better. The reason it *is* illegal is because it is not good for the big companies having a lock on their renewable resources and chemical plants and plastics and polyester ect., ect.

Plus, the government makes too much money fighting the war on drugs

EVEN THOUGH 13 STATES FREAKING LEGALIZED IT! AND IT'S STILL AGAINST FEDERAL LAW!!!

While I agree that you should be able to consume cannabis recreationally if you choose, I find that they would vote to continue to allow the DEA to harass those who actually need it for medicine to be downright CRIMINAL and beyond EVIL on a scale that I cannot bear to admit exists.

The spiteful part of me hopes that they all suffer the way I watched my grandfather suffer when he wasted away and died from cancer treatments.

Mom4Ron
07-26-2007, 12:45 AM
Dana Rohrabacher (R-Huntington Beach, CA) is one of the few real fighters in Congress; not the statesman like Ron Paul, more of a politician but he's actually still maintained possession of his soul and more than a shred of integrity. Without him and a few other great Rs, CA would have been handed over to the socialists wholesale long ago.

Mom4Ron, here's my plan to mitigate my exposure to the NWO you may want to consider. Less drastic than full expatriation:

IF - and that's a big IF - Ron Paul is not elected, I will join the Free State Project in New Hampshire. If you agree with their intentions and join, you agree that once they reach 20,000 joined members, you will move to NH within 5 years. You can go earlier, but that's the agreement.

Part B is to put all my assets into an offshore trust www.trustprofessionals.com. This will help to maintain a low profile as far as govt intrusion is concerned. And once settled in NH, introduce my community to the Liberty Dollar and the concept of financial intimacy (www.libertydollar.com, www.solari.com or org).

Part C - live a happy, authentic life among others who want to be left alone by Big Brother and have a live-and-let-live attitude.

You might want to consider this. We should not be chased out of our own country by inbred elitists.

Thanks for the info Syren! It's late for me to do too much reading tonight, but I promise that I'll save this info for tomorrow after work when I'm not bleary-eyed and angry.

amonasro
07-26-2007, 01:06 AM
I believe it is their right as Paul does to take anything they want. Though I think morphine would work better. In my past I have done pot and it never seem to ease any pain for me. In fact I didn't like to take when I was in pain or suffering it ruined mt buzz.

Although morphine does work well to cure pain, it is addictive and dangerous. Marijuana is neither. While some strains don't work as well to cure pain, some work fantastically, giving the user a very narcotic body buzz that is similar to opiates without the nasty side effects. Remember that each strain of marijuana gives a unique "high" depending on genetics and harvest time. Some marijuana will be better at relieving arthritis and some better at relieving migraines. That is the beauty of the medical community in CA--cannabis can be bred to cure particular ailments. This ain't your college buddy's weed--this is potent, effective, genetically tailored medicine that will knock the casual user on their ass.

We need RP in office so we can put a stop to the madness in the medical community, and ultimately the war on drugs.

richard1984
07-26-2007, 01:32 AM
I should have the freaking right to smoke marijuana if I want to. I've been to Amsterdam.. they don't have tons of people being junkies on the streets. If I want to smoke weed, I should fucking have the right!

Truth is, nothing chilled me out like THC. They gave me adderall, an extremely hard and dangerous drug, because of ADHD. A fucking child! It's fucked up. Marijuana is just so much better. The reason it *is* illegal is because it is not good for the big companies having a lock on their renewable resources and chemical plants and plastics and polyester ect., ect.

Plus, the government makes too much money fighting the war on drugs

EVEN THOUGH 13 STATES FREAKING LEGALIZED IT! AND IT'S STILL AGAINST FEDERAL LAW!!!

You know where I'm coming from. I can't even make it through a class if I don't take my Adderall or smoke (or both). I tried it recently. I hardly had any idea what the teacher was talking about because I was day-dreaming the whole time, and inside I felt like I had electricity/energy shooting through me. I had so much energy it just about drove me crazy trying to sit still.
When I take Adderall I might be sedentary (though uncontrollably so), but I'm also anti-social and a pain-in-the-ass to be around. Smoking helps keep me calm, but I am also able to still "be myself" and I'm not irritable or depressed like I am on Adderall. I would be a much happier, productive, well-adapted person today if I had had the option of marijuana (especially starting in high school) from the beginning instead of Adderall. (note: I don’t advocate drugs for children who don’t have major problems. The system needs to be changed--not the children!)

richard1984
07-26-2007, 01:53 AM
Although morphine does work well to cure pain, it is addictive and dangerous. Marijuana is neither. While some strains don't work as well to cure pain, some work fantastically, giving the user a very narcotic body buzz that is similar to opiates without the nasty side effects. Remember that each strain of marijuana gives a unique "high" depending on genetics and harvest time. Some marijuana will be better at relieving arthritis and some better at relieving migraines. That is the beauty of the medical community in CA--cannabis can be bred to cure particular ailments. This ain't your college buddy's weed--this is potent, effective, genetically tailored medicine that will knock the casual user on their ass.

We need RP in office so we can put a stop to the madness in the medical community, and ultimately the war on drugs.

Yeah. It's really fascinating what can be done with genetics. There are two main "families" of marijuana--indica and sativa. Indica strains produces a body high (and the plant itself is different is many other ways), and sativa strains produce a "heady" high. Most types/strains of marijuana are combinations of indica and sativa, and different "combinations" create different effects. Seems like a great way to learn about genetics to me. You can have your cake and eat it, too! Anyway, yeah. I just find the plant fascinating, and I sure would love to be able to grow it. But it's only a dream. As things are today, I don't want to be anywhere near people growing it. I have a healthy paranoia of these things.

You know things are getting bad when they start making plants illegal.

jnpg
07-26-2007, 07:57 AM
I strongly believe the majority of Americans are with us on this one. Do whatever you like in the privacy of your home- as long as it doesn't harm another.
It is amazing to think that growing a plant to prepare any way you like is illegal... in the free-est (how do you spell that- is it a word?) nation on earth.
We must fight for Ron Paul like our lives depend on it!
Call, write letters etc.!

We CAN do this.

Fields
03-20-2008, 12:44 AM
I've never understood why people feel so threatened by something that makes cancer patients feel no pain and gives college kids the munchies


+1

kirkblitz
03-20-2008, 12:46 AM
little late

Hook
03-20-2008, 01:42 AM
Man, talk about history. I was getting happy because I though a bunch of old-timers suddenly came back. Until I noticed the dates on the postings.

ryanmkeisling
03-20-2008, 01:46 AM
I am so sorry to hear this is happening. They came after me once too... Just be safe and DO NOT sacrifice what freedom you have left. You cannot fight from within a concrete cell...

CurtisLow
03-20-2008, 09:55 AM
DEA is just an enforcing agent of Big-pharma cabal.

+1 Exactly why!

My 2 cents.. Close the store and deliver like pizza hut.

LEK
03-20-2008, 10:00 AM
The DEA isn't getting a cut from your profits. That's the problem.