New Republic hits Ron Paul again

[trispear]

Posted 2 hours ago, according to Google:
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=54586159-12be-442c-810d-020982d8becb

This needs to be addressed, I feel.

[Ara825]

They have lost all credit in my book, I refuse to acknowledge they exisit and refuse to read any more of the crap they spew. Correct me if I am wrong, it's another blatant idiotic pointless attempt to smear Ron Paul, right? Right, and low and behold, once again it appears right before the primary. It's becoming redundent, don't you agree?

[trispear]

I agree, but I have the feeling it isn't noticeably damaging RP in the polls (one way or another) but it is dividing us as supporters and slowing the campaign down. Sowing doubt if you will.

I think the problem needs to be acknowledged and owned - and the question on everybody's minds is "If not Paul, who wrote it then?" Also, I was previously under the impression that it was a few newsletters, not so many -- and the comments are collectivist - so I'm asking "How could this have escaped Dr. Paul's attention for so long?"

I would like to have answers as well. I know Dr. Paul wants to say he didn't write it and leave it at that...... but still, it lingers.

:(

[Cinci4RP]

well those that were going to leave have.....

those that are determined to stay with him read: blah blah blah smear

Its funny but I really don't find any of those offensive, just politically incorrect. And all the quotes seem to be deliberately taken out of context to imply things other than their meaning.

Hillary gut got away with implying that one of the greatest pacifist leaders of all time ran a gas station, people laughed.
McCain has used 'Gook' many times on camera.
Huck pretends to get cell call from the Almighty, which I find blasphemous and Greatly insulting to my faith.
Edwards left his dying wife for another woman.
Romney has a man-dolphin following him around.
Rudys closet is like the Arlington Cemetary.
Fred...well I don't know any dirt on Fred, but he's got a hottie wife, so he had to sell his soul for that so its out there



TNR promoting a racist card against a statist?

Pot Kettle Black

[idiom]

Email them and ask if they have taken up fabricating stories again.

[Cinci4RP]

I agree, but I have the feeling it isn't noticeably damaging RP in the polls (one way or another) but it is dividing us as supporters and slowing the campaign down. Sowing doubt if you will.

I think the problem needs to be acknowledged and owned - and the question on everybody's minds is "If not Paul, who wrote it then?" Also, I was previously under the impression that it was a few newsletters, not so many -- and the comments are collectivist - so I'm asking "How could this have escaped Dr. Paul's attention for so long?"

I would like to have answers as well. I know Dr. Paul wants to say he didn't write it and leave it at that...... but still, it lingers.

:(

Nothing in the new article offends me. More like unpleasant truths. Very politically incorrect, but unpleasant truths nonetheless.

Whats wrong with calling the ATF 'Jackbooted Thugs'?

They are firing blanks. They are losing credibility(edit: oops you have to have something to lose it). I was sent this article by a lefty I've been working on and in his email he said its pretty obvious they are reaching.

[DRV45N05]

What's funny is that the only newsletter where Paul is identified as having anything to do with it is the Ron Paul Investment Letter... the only newsletter without bigoted commentary.

[Sandra]

I read the full newletters and there's really nothing there.

[Quick]

They've already released the most "damning" newsletters.

Now they are just scrapping the barrel trying to spin things into a bad light. Politically incorrect in today's standard? Sure, but racist? Nah.

[Mises]

Unbelievable. They cite Paul and Rockwell as the authors and editors of the Ron Paul Investment Letter, but can't point to any questionable comments in them. This is a clear attempt to get their readers to confuse the Investment Letter with the original newsletters and lead them to believe they are one and the same. Rotten!

Of course, TNR is a little behind schedule, apparently, as the Michigan primaries are today. They should have posted this article yesterday.

[kellann]

those who call it a "smear" are forgetting that the information is in fact, true. Newsletters that were racially charged went out in RP's name. If he wants to save his campaign he needs to address it.

ragging on reason and TNR is pointless. They're doing what they do, its the free market, right? Ron Paul needs to seriously address the newsletters before he gets one more dime from me.

Not because I think he wrote them (I dont), but because he'll never be president unless he DOES address them!! Saying "I have no idea who wrote them" is the lamest thing I ever heard.

Its like stumbling in at 2am with lipstick on your collar stinking of perfume...and not expecting your wife to be suspicious! Denial wont work here! We need ANSWERS from Ron Paul himself.

[Mises]

No, you are the one who needs answers. Unfortunately, you are too short-sighted to understand that if he lends credibility to the matter by further addressing the issue when he already has (multiple times) that then his campaign will be ruined.

TNR is trying to goad him into holding a press conference to address the articles, which would reak of panic-stricken damage control, backtracking, and a guilty conscience.

The matter is over and done with - except in the eyes of TNR. Did you even read this latest article? It's garbage! They are trying to show he has connections with Pat Buchanan and insinuating that he did write the investment letter so he must have written all the articles in the political report. It's such a childish reach that Kirchik should be embarassed! You want Paul to cow-tow to that?

You're not going to be satisfied, so you may as well go support Kucinich.

[Xenophage]

Unbelievable. They cite Paul and Rockwell as the authors and editors of the Ron Paul Investment Letter, but can't point to any questionable comments in them. This is a clear attempt to get their readers to confuse the Investment Letter with the original newsletters and lead them to believe they are one and the same. Rotten!

Of course, TNR is a little behind schedule, apparently, as the Michigan primaries are today. They should have posted this article yesterday.

They did the same thing with NH and it seemed to work to their advantage.

[LinearChaos]

the only bad excerpts are from 91-92. the stuff in there that isn't involved with 91-92 is mostly about trilateral commission, nwo, bohemian grove, etc. and, well, that stuff isn't a big deal at all to me. TNR is conflating a bunch of different issues and trying to present them as a continuous period in which those things all persisted, all the time, but like I said, the "racist" stuff seems to be from 91-92, and the politically incorrect stuff like the bohemian grove, the nwo, AIPAC, etc. are conflated with it and tagged as "conspiracy" and "antisemitic". /shrug

[Quick]

And the fact that the MSM has more or less ignored this should be another sign that this stuff isn't a "big deal" -- sure they ran a few snippets 3-4 days after it was released, but I've read nothing since.

I except it to be mentioned, randomly, a few more times in the next week or two but they recognize that it has no merit and can't be proven that Paul was involved in any form.

TNR is only releasing more newsletters because no one really cared when they re-released the ones in the first article. I think they expected a lot more publicity and are mad that they didn't get it.

Now they release more newsletters, trying to confuse people, but any normal person who reads any of that will go.. "eh, so?"

[Xenophage]

those who call it a "smear" are forgetting that the information is in fact, true. Newsletters that were racially charged went out in RP's name. If he wants to save his campaign he needs to address it.

ragging on reason and TNR is pointless. They're doing what they do, its the free market, right? Ron Paul needs to seriously address the newsletters before he gets one more dime from me.

Not because I think he wrote them (I dont), but because he'll never be president unless he DOES address them!! Saying "I have no idea who wrote them" is the lamest thing I ever heard.

Its like stumbling in at 2am with lipstick on your collar stinking of perfume...and not expecting your wife to be suspicious! Denial wont work here! We need ANSWERS from Ron Paul himself.

Why do you think he *does* know? I've been involved in libertarian political campaigns before, and they are so disorganized, and fruitcakes usually end up taking the reins and getting all the media attention. There have been local newsletters and political organizations in my own state that were founded by intelligent, well-meaning people who eventually ended up dropping out of politics altogether for a while, and having nothing to do with the newsletters. The crazies take over, and steer everything into the ground. Nobody intelligent ever becomes involved with those organizations again.

I have a strong idea that this is exactly what happened to the Ron Paul newsletter.

This is not to detract from your overall points however. The newsletters have been damaging. Its hard to convert people when the first thing they say is, "Ron Paul? The racist?" Don't think that doesn't happen, either. It happens constantly. Unfortunately, I don't know how to deal with it, and if I were in Paul's shoes I'd probably do the same things he's been doing.

The important thing is to stay true to YOUR principles, and promote freedom and limited government however and whenever you can. You cannot abandon the Ron Paul campaign, thereby abandoning your values and giving up the fight to those who would see you and your ideologies destroyed. In the end, that's what this is really about... not whether or not Ron Paul is a racist, but whether libertarianism itself, and you by association, are to be considered insane and fringe. TNR and others are attempting to derail this campaign for the purposes of derailing the political philosophy itself, not because they actually care if Paul is a racist, because the political philosophy is what scares them.

[kellann]

No, you are the one who needs answers. Unfortunately, you are too short-sighted to understand that if he lends credibility to the matter by further addressing the issue when he already has (multiple times) that then his campaign will be ruined.

TNR is trying to goad him into holding a press conference to address the articles, which would reak of panic-stricken damage control, backtracking, and a guilty conscience.

The matter is over and done with - except in the eyes of TNR. Did you even read this latest article? It's garbage! They are trying to show he has connections with Pat Buchanan and insinuating that he did write the investment letter so he must have written all the articles in the political report. It's such a childish reach that Kirchik should be embarassed! You want Paul to cow-tow to that?

You're not going to be satisfied, so you may as well go support Kucinich.

Look, I'm just being honest. *I KNOW* why they're putting them out and yes, *I KNOW* the politics behind it.

Trust me, everytime he rises in polls or does well in a primary it will come up...until he finally decides to put it to bed for real. Most people either dont know or dont care about the fight between CATO and Mises. They dont care about the agenda behind the revelation. They only care that Ron Paul had a newsletter with his name on it that was very racist and very homophobic. They dont care about ideological arguements between Paleo-libertarians and Neo-libertarians!!

Just being realistic and telling you what I'm seeing out there in my campaigning for Paul. We need to convert NEW people to win an election and that wont happen as long as "Ron Paul = Racist" in the general populace's eyes.

[LastoftheMohicans]

The pdf's are only parts of the newletters. Why? Are there portions of the newletter that contradict the selectively reported parts. Let us for the sake of argument say Ron Paul wrote every single word. Objectively, the worst you can say is that they are extremely politically incorrect. The "N" word is never used. Most of the criticisms of homosexuals seem to be by someone with a religious objection to homosexuality. While I don't personally share these views or the views of the lifestyle libertarians at Reason Magazine, it's a legitimate point of view.

Why is it racist to criticize Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights movement? I think King was a mixed bag like so many other people. He was right on the VietNam war and the evil of Jim Crow. However, he was a socialist on economic matters. And yes, he did cheat on his wife. Not the sort of behavior one should expect from a preacher. And he was a plagarist. I was very disappointed with Larry Elder the other day. For those of you who don't know, Larry Elder is a conservative/libertarian talk radio host on KABC in LA. He's been called Uncle Tom and the like because he doesn't agree with Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton,etc. The other day he read excerpts from the newletters on the air. He seemed to be pretending to be indignant about some of the content. The ironic part is that he agrees or agreed with a lot of it and has been attacked by the same people as Ron Paul.

[Mises]

Look, I'm just being honest. *I KNOW* why they're putting them out and yes, *I KNOW* the politics behind it.

Trust me, everytime he rises in polls or does well in a primary it will come up...until he finally decides to put it to bed for real. Most people either dont know or dont care about the fight between CATO and Mises. They dont care about the agenda behind the revelation. They only care that Ron Paul had a newsletter with his name on it that was very racist and very homophobic. They dont care about ideological arguements between Paleo-libertarians and Neo-libertarians!!

Just being realistic and telling you what I'm seeing out there in my campaigning for Paul. We need to convert NEW people to win an election and that wont happen as long as "Ron Paul = Racist" in the general populace's eyes.

I'm telling you - you're living in Fantasyland if you think he can "put this to bed" somehow. The bomb has gone off. The damage has been done. He has apologized for this more than once in his career. Giving attention to this garbage now will do nothing to convert people to his campaign. It will only shine more light on the problem and then more people will call for explanations, and on and on...it won't be enough.

If you really want more people to come over to Ron Paul's side, then you should be aware that making yourself look guilty has a negative effect on gathering support.

[noztnac]

People here spent 10 minutes reading that trash. That's ten minutes that could have been put to better use doing something positive for the campaign. Ignore them! We are only adding fuel to their fire.

[SeanEdwards]

I'm telling you - you're living in Fantasyland if you think he can "put this to bed" somehow. The bomb has gone off. The damage has been done. He has apologized for this more than once in his career. Giving attention to this garbage now will do nothing to convert people to his campaign. It will only shine more light on the problem and then more people will call for explanations, and on and on...it won't be enough.

If you really want more people to come over to Ron Paul's side, then you should be aware that making yourself look guilty has a negative effect on gathering support.

Your plan to stick your head in the sand and hope the enemies of this campaign give up this smear campaign is stupid beyond belief.

You wouldn't happen to be in the leadership of the Paul campaign staff would you? Because the nonsense you are peddling here sounds like the same kind of braindead stupidity coming out of the national HQ.

[Galileo Galilei]

"A fundraising letter from Paul's 1984 Senate campaign in which Paul complains about the "minions of Kissinger and Rockefeller" and "the big New York banks, and their pals in Texas" who "want me silenced.""

WOW! This is sure racist. Joke.

"The June 1996 issue of the Ron Paul Survival Report refers to Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms officers as "Jackbooted Thugs.""

Oh, how horrible.

"The September 1995 issue of the Ron Paul Survival Report asks about "Black Helicopters?""

I'm sure you couldn't paint a helicopter black, right?

"In January 1992, Paul writes about his consideration of a presidential bid which he dashed after Pat Buchanan expressed his intention to run. Paul wrote of "the essential compatibility between [Buchanan's] ideas and mine" and "agreed to serve as the chairman of his economic advisory committee.""

Oh my God, not Pat Buchanon! That's the kiss of death!

Joke.

[Mises]

Your plan to stick your head in the sand and hope the enemies of this campaign give up this smear campaign is stupid beyond belief.

You wouldn't happen to be in the leadership of the Paul campaign staff would you? Because the nonsense you are peddling here sounds like the same kind of braindead stupidity coming out of the national HQ.

What is truly remarkable is that you think he can hold a press conference and make this go away for good, or that someone can come forward, say "I did it!" with a sheepish grin, and all will be forgotten. Laughable.

[jmc1144]

No, you are the one who needs answers. Unfortunately, you are too short-sighted to understand that if he lends credibility to the matter by further addressing the issue when he already has (multiple times) that then his campaign will be ruined.

TNR is trying to goad him into holding a press conference to address the articles, which would reak of panic-stricken damage control, backtracking, and a guilty conscience.

The matter is over and done with - except in the eyes of TNR. Did you even read this latest article? It's garbage! They are trying to show he has connections with Pat Buchanan and insinuating that he did write the investment letter so he must have written all the articles in the political report. It's such a childish reach that Kirchik should be embarassed! You want Paul to cow-tow to that?

You're not going to be satisfied, so you may as well go support Kucinich.

This unwillingness to see reality and why the average American will not buy Ron's current explanation is exactly why he will not win the nomination in the end.

[jmc1144]

Your plan to stick your head in the sand and hope the enemies of this campaign give up this smear campaign is stupid beyond belief.

You wouldn't happen to be in the leadership of the Paul campaign staff would you? Because the nonsense you are peddling here sounds like the same kind of braindead stupidity coming out of the national HQ.

Thanks. That put Mises' stand on this into the perfect perspective.

[SeanEdwards]

What is truly remarkable is that you think he can hold a press conference and make this go away for good, or that someone can come forward, say "I did it!" with a sheepish grin, and all will be forgotten. Laughable.

Chucking racists and homophobes under the bus is ALWAYS the right thing to do. You're willing to lose this campaign in order to protect Lew Rockwell's feelings?

That's just dumb.

It's one thing to say that Paul has nutball supporters, but it's an entirely different thing when the nutballs are part of the campaign staff. That's a campaign killer.

[Mises]

JMC:

Reality? The reality is that his gets 5-10% in the polls. So let's visit utopia for awhile and assume he can actually make this all disappear. He holds a press conference, announces he did not write the letters, says it was wrong that he didn't oversee them properly, and disowns the comments. Maybe he even hangs his good friend Lew Rockwell out to dry. It's your fantasy, include whatever you want.

Great then, in our alternate universe Paul is forgiven. Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton come out and say "we forgive you, Ron." The media collectively say, "well, since he apologized and took responsibility, we can drop the issue now. He will probably gain a lot more support now. What a great guy."

Now, Ron Paul begins to spread his message and gain support. He even wins the nomination. But, because he answered the allegations (or insinuations) once before during the primaries, they will never come up again. Brit Hume, Wolf Blitzer, or Chris Matthews will not bring up these newsletters during the general election campaign because they know that Paul adequately answered the allegations. The New Republic will probably be silent on the matter as well. There is no possible way that this could come up again, forcing him to answer the charges a second time.

Keep dreaming.

The fact is that few people are really following the primaries now. Hardly anybody knows about this outside of the circle of people closely following politics. An explanation/apology right now will be used later to convict him during the general campaign. We all agree that this is a smear campaign against Paul. What on earth makes you think they will stop later on?

[i2ambler]

I dont find most of these letters to be all that offensive, to be honest. The only thing offensive is that TNR is trying so hard to MAKE it offensive. I dont get the bobby fischer bit.. So.. the ron paul report says congrats to bobby fischer for winning at chess. Does that mean that Ron Paul now is a holocost denier. because bobby fischer is? I dont get it.

[Mises]

You're willing to lose this campaign in order to protect Lew Rockwell's feelings?

Well, naturally I do not believe that the present course of action will "lose the campaign" for Ron Paul - that's kind of what we are arguing, isn't it? Trying to morph my point into something you can attack more easily isn't very dignified. In fact, some may even say that it's "dumb."

[jmc1144]

Ignorance is strength!

[A rope leash]

These "politically incorrect" newsletters probably went a long way in helping Ron get elected back in the Nineties. Texas is, plain and simple, a racist state. O, not officially, but spend some time any where there (except perhaps Austin), and you'll see what I mean.

His criticisms of MLK, if they are indeed his, are only offensive to the sensitive media-liberal types who think we can stop racism by eliminating the word "******". The fact is that racism is alive and well in the US, it just isn't front and center like it used to be. That said, I don't think there's any real antagonism between the races like there was back in the Sixties, even tough I suspect that the powers now wish there was. Most of the anger out there nowdays is toward the idiot government that has been installed. I don't think blacks blame whites for their troubles any longer...it is as Abbie Hoffman said, "we're all ******* now".

It wouldn't surprise me to find out that TEXAN Ron Paul is a secret white supremist. TEXAN George Bush is, as is Cheney, as are many elected and unelected officials of our government. But, Ron is running a new race, a national race, and he will certainly have to deal with these newsletters in a head-on fashion. I see no way he can wriggle out, really...he'll say he didn't write them or approve of them, it's just something his supporters did. It's kind of like the way he is handling the truthers..."those people support me, but I don't support them"...

So much for the honest politician...

[Excaliber]

Those newsletters were not written by Dr Paul. FACT !!! However, the contents are obviously from a European-American perspective. And let's face it, the contents not be politically correct, but they ARE true.

The main objective of the main stream media is to divide and/or demoralize us. Let's not let that happen, and instead fight back by increasing our support and activisms for Dr Ron Paul, the only patriotic American in the race, and the last hope for freedom, liberty, and independence for all American citizens, regardless of race or ancestry.

The only alternative to Ron Paul is One World Government enslavement, and I assure you the real, behind the scenes, masters will not be of European descent. (hint hint).

[jmc1144]

Those newsletters were not written by Dr Paul. FACT !!! However, the contents are obviously from a European-American perspective. And let's face it, the contents not be politically correct, but they ARE true.

The main objective of the main stream media is to divide and/or demoralize us. Let's not let that happen, and instead fight back by increasing our support and activisms for Dr Ron Paul, the only patriotic American in the race, and the last hope for freedom, liberty, and independence for all American citizens, regardless of race or ancestry.

The only alternative to Ron Paul is One World Government enslavement, and I assure you the real, behind the scenes, masters will not be of European descent. (hint hint).

If you believe in one world government, enslavement of the human race, and an elitist conspiracy, then you CANNOT possibly believe that the party will EVER give Paul the nomination, or that they have not chosen their candidate already. C'mon, Paul stands against pretty much AGAINST everything the Establishment and elite stands for. If the NWO conspiracy, and everything encompassing it, is actually true, these people would never let RP take the Republican nomination.

[melianthus]

And let's face it, the contents not be politically correct, but they ARE true.

(hint hint).

So, you think it is true that Martin Luther King was a homosexual pedophile? Because it actually said that in one of those newsletters.

Those newsletters are an offense to many Ron Paul supporters. And making the claim that they contain truth doesn't help.

[ddoggphx]

the only bad excerpts are from 91-92. the stuff in there that isn't involved with 91-92 is mostly about trilateral commission, nwo, bohemian grove, etc. and, well, that stuff isn't a big deal at all to me. TNR is conflating a bunch of different issues and trying to present them as a continuous period in which those things all persisted, all the time, but like I said, the "racist" stuff seems to be from 91-92, and the politically incorrect stuff like the bohemian grove, the nwo, AIPAC, etc. are conflated with it and tagged as "conspiracy" and "antisemitic". /shrug

And by their own article under authorship, Lew Rockwell apparently took over as editor in May 1988. LOL.

Thanks for helping to make the case that Paul wasn't involved with the newsletters during the questionable timeframe.

[LinearChaos]

So, you think it is true that Martin Luther King was a homosexual pedophile?I think yer mom is! And it was written write here on this forum!

[LinearChaos]

And by their own article under authorship, Lew Rockwell apparently took over as editor in May 1988. LOL.

Thanks for helping to make the case that Paul wasn't involved with the newsletters during the questionable timeframe.
I'm not making a case, I am one of those people who heard about the newsletter thing a LONG LONG Time ago and at this time I could really care less about the whole thing one way or another. I'm not the one playing Divide and Conquer with the same old wedge issues.

Way to play the fools and dance right into this obvious political trap. All these people who are "new to the game" because they are attracted to Ron Paul seem pretty ignorant of Thesis, Antithesis, and Synthesis; Problem->Reaction->Solution. Divide and Conquer. Same shit, different day.

Good luck to the people that let Kirchick and the other rank bigots at TNR succeed at driving the most played out political wedge between them, that was the whole point.

[Peace&Freedom]

What is also silly about the second TNR article is that it inadvertantly confirms Paul's account about not being aware of the content. Surely Paul would have cared about COLLECTIVIST sounding rhetoric in the newsletters if he was paying attention to them. The fact that he didn't notice suggests he WASN'T paying it attention, and thus corroborates his story.

[fmontez]

JMC:

Reality? The reality is that his gets 5-10% in the polls. So let's visit utopia for awhile and assume he can actually make this all disappear. He holds a press conference, announces he did not write the letters, says it was wrong that he didn't oversee them properly, and disowns the comments. Maybe he even hangs his good friend Lew Rockwell out to dry. It's your fantasy, include whatever you want.

Great then, in our alternate universe Paul is forgiven. Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton come out and say "we forgive you, Ron." The media collectively say, "well, since he apologized and took responsibility, we can drop the issue now. He will probably gain a lot more support now. What a great guy."

Now, Ron Paul begins to spread his message and gain support. He even wins the nomination. But, because he answered the allegations (or insinuations) once before during the primaries, they will never come up again. Brit Hume, Wolf Blitzer, or Chris Matthews will not bring up these newsletters during the general election campaign because they know that Paul adequately answered the allegations. The New Republic will probably be silent on the matter as well. There is no possible way that this could come up again, forcing him to answer the charges a second time.

Keep dreaming.

The fact is that few people are really following the primaries now. Hardly anybody knows about this outside of the circle of people closely following politics. An explanation/apology right now will be used later to convict him during the general campaign. We all agree that this is a smear campaign against Paul. What on earth makes you think they will stop later on?

We all know Ron Paul is a long shot... and this scandal makes it even more so... so we either give up and stick our heads in the sands and ignore it, and Dr. Paul goes down but he at least got to say his piece....

OR Dr. Paul addresses it, finds out who wrote the letters, and exposes the racist pigs (there are probably a whole gaggle of these nutball writers, this is a 20+ year scandal) and we run a race for President.

[entwife]

The comments in most of those letters aren't untrue, they're just ROUGH language. Plus they were written at a time before 'Political Correctness' had us in the same death grip that it does today. He is not going to give us anymore than he's already said about these letters beyond repeating himself. A white person critisizing non-whites may be a thought crime today but it was not then, and it does not mean that you don't still care about people of other races. Ron Paul is not a white supremist, he cares about all of our individual liberty, including but not limited to, white peoples'.

[weatherbill]

apparently, when you click on any of the reference links, you can't find anything. it just comes up blank.

[fmontez]

The comments in most of those letters aren't untrue, they're just ROUGH language.

Are you kidding me? Some of these newsletters look like they were written by a nutball nazi facist pig who recently escaped from a State mental hospital. I suggest you read some of this dripple in these letters!

[jmc1144]

I think yer mom is! And it was written write here on this forum!

Wow. Great argument there. You have a great way of proving your point. I respect you SO much now. It's this type of mental retardation that has made my admiration for the Ron Paul Revolution slowly wither and die.

[RoyalTenenbaum]

I thought it was funnny how the article uses inflammatory titles like "Blacks," "Jews," "Gays," and "Conspiracy Theories."

Then it breaks out the big guns: "Pat Buchanan!"

No doubt Pitchfork Pat would consider it a point of pride to have been singled out by the New Republic this way.

[LinearChaos]

Wow. Great argument there. You have a great way of proving your point. I respect you SO much now. It's this type of mental retardation that has made my admiration for the Ron Paul Revolution slowly wither and die.
then why are you here?

[grunt]

I read through that whole thing. It was a huge waste of time. The article is basically designed to appear to the casual reader as if all the quotes were absolutely horrible. Click the links and read the actual newsletter in context. Most of the time the quote makes a lot more sense in context. This newsletter's were mostly politically correct during the times in which they were written, especially in Texas. They are truly stretching on this one, and they're hoping that most readers don't actually dig in.

[huchahucha]

"In January 1992, Paul writes about his consideration of a presidential bid which he dashed after Pat Buchanan expressed his intention to run. Paul wrote of "the essential compatibility between [Buchanan's] ideas and mine" and "agreed to serve as the chairman of his economic advisory committee.""

This proves what I have suspected all along - that Chris Matthews, Tucker Carlson, and Joe Scarborough are all frothing at the mouth, conspiracy nut, racist, homophobic bigots. Let me explain:
TNR has now said Ron Paul is a bad person for supporting Pat Buchanan. Pat Buchanan works for MSNBC and is on Matthew's, Carlson's and Scarborough's shows all the time. They must be sympthetic to his "nasty" ideas or they would not let him on the air, so therefore they are just as bad as Pat Buchanan.
Wait, I forgot. MSNBC is the only cable news channel that takes TNR seriously and regularly lets their reporters on air to talk about whatever stories are happening at the time. Any logical person must therefore assume that anyone who works for TNR is also a bigot.

Guilt by association - It's a real bitch.

[jmc1144]

then why are you here?

Because I like to debate issues. Apparently you like ignoring them, or resorting to childish namecalling

[jmc1144]

This proves what I have suspected all along - that Chris Matthews, Tucker Carlson, and Joe Scarborough are all frothing at the mouth, conspiracy nut, racist, homophobic bigots. Let me explain:
TNR has now said Ron Paul is a bad person for supporting Pat Buchanan. Pat Buchanan works for MSNBC and is on Matthew's, Carlson's and Scarborough's shows all the time. They must be sympthetic to his "nasty" ideas or they would not let him on the air, so therefore they are just as bad as Pat Buchanan.
Wait, I forgot. MSNBC is the only cable news channel that takes TNR seriously and regularly lets their reporters on air to talk about whatever stories are happening at the time. Any logical person must therefore assume that anyone who works for TNR is also a bigot.

Guilt by association - It's a real bitch.

I would agree with all of this. In fact, look at ALL the presidential candidates on the Republican side, they're ALL bigots and/or racists. Yet they don't get called out for it, it's complete bullshit.

[LinearChaos]

Because I like to debate issues. Apparently you like ignoring them, or resorting to childish namecalling

No, I don't. I just don't play ball with the Divide and Conquer wedge issues you consider "debate".

[LinearChaos]

And I guess "enjoying debate" consists of 38 posts since Saturday defending and spreading the "Ron Paul is teh racist" meme (and how it is going to defeat him in the end). Such masterful "debating".

[TattooTom]

I'm reading through this new "batch" of newsletters. These are vile. Look at this one:

http://www.tnr.com/downloads/February1990.pdf



(Boy, it sure burns me to have a national holiday for that pro-communist philanderer, Martin Luther King. I voted against this outrage time and time again as a Congressmen. What an infamy that Ronald Reagan approved it! We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day.)


WTF? Hate Whitey Day? This shit is extensive, and in some cases, even worse than the original stuff.

[LinearChaos]

Divide and Conquer.

[StarKissed]

those who call it a "smear" are forgetting that the information is in fact, true. Newsletters that were racially charged went out in RP's name. If he wants to save his campaign he needs to address it.

ragging on reason and TNR is pointless. They're doing what they do, its the free market, right? Ron Paul needs to seriously address the newsletters before he gets one more dime from me.

Not because I think he wrote them (I dont), but because he'll never be president unless he DOES address them!! Saying "I have no idea who wrote them" is the lamest thing I ever heard.

Its like stumbling in at 2am with lipstick on your collar stinking of perfume...and not expecting your wife to be suspicious! Denial wont work here! We need ANSWERS from Ron Paul himself.

The bottom line is, you either believe in Ron Paul, or you don't. It's that simple. No matter how many times he addresses this shlit, it's going to keep coming up. He isn't going to play their games. The more importance you/we we give TNR or any of these bottom feeders, the more power we give them. STOP GIVING THEM POWER!

[fmontez]

I would agree with all of this. In fact, look at ALL the presidential candidates on the Republican side, they're ALL bigots and/or racists. Yet they don't get called out for it, it's complete bullshit.

Well, Ron Paul is a Republican! :)

If you don't like Republicans go support some nut job, welfare, neo-lib candidate.

We should support Ron Paul for the nomination, and if he doesn't get it we should support the GOP candidate that does... its part of being in a party. Come out of the fringe and join society... its nice here, no conspiracy, no secret government plots, being able to disagree and yet still respect each other... just a lot of hard working Americans trying to make our Nation great.

[LinearChaos]

The bottom line is, you either believe in Ron Paul, or you don't. It's that simple. No matter how many times he addresses this shlit, it's going to keep coming up. He isn't going to play their games. The more importance you/we we give TNR or any of these bottom feeders, the more power we give them. STOP GIVING THEM POWER!
Come on, man. Without divide and conquer wedge issues, what would the sheeple, lightweights, and True Believers have to bicker about?

[LinearChaos]

We should support Ron Paul for the nomination, and if he doesn't get it we should support the GOP candidate that does... its part of being in a party. Come out of the fringe and join society... its nice here, no conspiracy, no secret government plots, being able to disagree and yet still respect each other... just a lot of hard working Americans trying to make our Nation great.This is sarcasm, right? If the GOP rejects Ron Paul, it will concede that it is no longer a party of limited government, which is what Paul basically said in the debate, and the GOP will be dead.

What is most likely going to happen is what Buchanan predicted many months ago, that Ron Paul's candidacy would fracture the base and split the GOP.

[jmc1144]

Come on, man. Without divide and conquer wedge issues, what would the sheeple, lightweights, and True Believers have to bicker about?

No being "sheeple" is when you say let it die, let it die, to an issue that has many facets which don't add up if the current explanation is to be believed. As I posted earlier, "Ignorance is strength". That's what posts saying to ignore this and let it die are essentially saying, and this is a quote from Orwell's 1984. It boggles my mind that true RP supporters, who supposedly believe in the truth, would simply say move on to something like this, when the man has changed his story on the letters and then acts like he can't make decisions about what to say about this, only his campaign managers tell him what to do, which is why he changed his story to today's version. That's bullshit, and I wouldn't take that from Clinton, McCain, Giuliani, or anybody else. Certainly not going to take it from Paul either. He says in his decision not to pursue the NH recount that HE decided not to pursue it based on info HE looked at, and told his campaign of his decision. So why, on this issue, is he unable to look at the situation and give a clear account of what happened back in 1996? I honestly don't know. Instead, he says that his campaign manager told him to act like he wrote the stuff back in '96 so THAT'S why he said it that way then, and has changed his story so drastically now.

[fmontez]

This is sarcasm, right? If the GOP rejects Ron Paul, it will concede that it is no longer a party of limited government, which is what Paul basically said in the debate, and the GOP will be dead.

What is most likely going to happen is what Buchanan predicted many months ago, that Ron Paul's candidacy would fracture the base and split the GOP.

No sarcasm, the GOP is alive and well, and will go on after this election. Yes, if Ron Paul is not the candidate then we support the primary winner, and Ron Paul will advocate for platform change. We never get 100% of what we want, because that isn't possible... it's about working together, a Nation is not made or saved by one person.

If Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination I will vote for the GOP candidate (unless it is Ghouliani.)

[LinearChaos]

No being "sheeple" is when you say let it die, let it die, to an issue that has many facets which don't add up if the current explanation is to be believed. As I posted earlier, "Ignorance is strength". That's what posts saying to ignore this and let it die are essentially saying, and this is a quote from Orwell's 1984. It boggles my mind that true RP supporters, who supposedly believe in the truth, would simply say move on to something like this, when the man has changed his story on the letters and then acts like he can't make decisions about what to say about this, only his campaign managers tell him what to do, which is why he changed his story to today's version. That's bullshit, and I wouldn't take that from Clinton, McCain, Giuliani, or anybody else. Certainly not going to take it from Paul either. He says in his decision not to pursue the NH recount that HE decided not to pursue it based on info HE looked at, and told his campaign of his decision. So why, on this issue, is he unable to look at the situation and give a clear account of what happened back in 1996? I honestly don't know. Instead, he says that his campaign manager told him to act like he wrote the stuff back in '96 so THAT'S why he said it that way then, and has changed his story so drastically now.

:rolleyes:

You just don't "get it". This issue has been rehashed for almost 15 years. Go watch the Blitzer interview again, but pay attention this time, and you'll see why Ron Paul isn't going to play divide and conquer or be involved with what this smear really is. You should, because you are playing right into what Paul has already spoken out againt. Here, I'll give you the cliff notes:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Witch+hunt


witch-hunt also witch hunt (wchhnt)
n.
An investigation carried out ostensibly to uncover subversive activities but actually used to harass and undermine those with differing views.
Get it yet? Or would you rather go along with the "mob" or "sheeple", which are the ones who carry the torches and pitchforks when it is time to look for witches to burn.

[LinearChaos]

Yes, if Ron Paul is not the candidate then we support the primary winner, and Ron Paul will advocate for platform change.

You don't seem to get it either. With their current platforms and Foreign Policy positions, do you really think that Paul is going to give his support to McCain, Romney, Thompson, Giuliani, or Huckleberry, and tell us all to support a statist, warmongering GOP party that is trying to make Dr. Paul into a persona non grata?

[fmontez]

You don't seem to get it either. With their current platforms and Foreign Policy positions, do you really think that Paul is going to give his support to McCain, Romney, Thompson, Giuliani, or Huckleberry, and tell us all to support a statist, warmongering GOP party that is trying to make Dr. Paul into a persona non grata?

Yes, I do expect Dr. Paul to do that.. for the good of us all... change doesn't come in one big lump, it comes slowly... every candidate has good points, I just feel that overall RP is the best. If he doesn't get the nomination then I fully expect Ron Paul to negotitate on our behalf and bring about platform change. A renewed GOP party is far more important than a single president.

[rockwell]

Hi, I Am Ian Rustil Of Jukt Micronics And I Am Having A Big Hacker Convention In The Lobby Of A Bank. Come Join Us, Everyone Who Is Everyone In The Anonymous Hacker World Will Be There And Stephen Glass From The New Republic Will Write Up A Really Super Dooper Extra Special Article About It.

[LinearChaos]

quote deletedHey Uncle Fester, head back to the Bermuda Triangle and take your bigotry with you.

[StarKissed]

No being "sheeple" is when you say let it die, let it die, to an issue that has many facets which don't add up if the current explanation is to be believed. As I posted earlier, "Ignorance is strength". That's what posts saying to ignore this and let it die are essentially saying, and this is a quote from Orwell's 1984. It boggles my mind that true RP supporters, who supposedly believe in the truth, would simply say move on to something like this, when the man has changed his story on the letters and then acts like he can't make decisions about what to say about this, only his campaign managers tell him what to do, which is why he changed his story to today's version. That's bullshit, and I wouldn't take that from Clinton, McCain, Giuliani, or anybody else. Certainly not going to take it from Paul either. He says in his decision not to pursue the NH recount that HE decided not to pursue it based on info HE looked at, and told his campaign of his decision. So why, on this issue, is he unable to look at the situation and give a clear account of what happened back in 1996? I honestly don't know. Instead, he says that his campaign manager told him to act like he wrote the stuff back in '96 so THAT'S why he said it that way then, and has changed his story so drastically now.

Good God! Don't you get it? No amount of apologizing, kissing ass, or bending over is going to appease some of these people. Nothing he can possibly say, is going to make YOU happy either. I don't know how old you are, but at a certain point in your life, you come to realize when your explainations go on deaf ears. The only thing he could possibly do, is what he's already done.

These people don't want to hear his explanation, and in all actuality, their anger isn't toward Ron Paul. They're angry at years of injustice, and he just happens to be the latest vehicle supplying their fuel.

That being said, this forum is for Ron Paul supporters, and you don't seem to fit in that category. You happen to be making more of a deal about this than the media. That tells me, that this issue is a personal problem of your own.

[Fritz_Katz]

Well, Ron Paul is a Republican! :)

If you don't like Republicans go support some nut job, welfare, neo-lib candidate.

We should support Ron Paul for the nomination, and if he doesn't get it we should support the GOP candidate that does... its part of being in a party. Come out of the fringe and join society... its nice here, no conspiracy, no secret government plots, being able to disagree and yet still respect each other... just a lot of hard working Americans trying to make our Nation great. Bravo!

[jmc1144]

Well, Ron Paul is a Republican! :)

If you don't like Republicans go support some nut job, welfare, neo-lib candidate.

We should support Ron Paul for the nomination, and if he doesn't get it we should support the GOP candidate that does... its part of being in a party. Come out of the fringe and join society... its nice here, no conspiracy, no secret government plots, being able to disagree and yet still respect each other... just a lot of hard working Americans trying to make our Nation great.

Don't you realize what you've laid out here is collectivist thinking? I thought libertarians didn't have a collectivist bone in their bodies. You're saying we MUST vote GOP because its part of being in the party. Even if the candidate with whom you agree with is out of the race, you still must vote GOP for the good of the party. That's really stupid, considering you would be voting for somebody who has the exact opposite policies of Ron Paul.

[fmontez]

Don't you realize what you've laid out here is collectivist thinking? I thought libertarians didn't have a collectivist bone in their bodies. You're saying we MUST vote GOP because its part of being the party. Even if the candidate with whom you agree with is out of the race, you still must vote GOP for the good of the party. That's really stupid, considering your voting for somebody who has the exact opposite policies of Ron Paul.

I am a Republican NOT a Liberarian... I am proud to be a member of the GOP.

[LinearChaos]

I am proud to be a member of the GOP.
I am glad that you speak for yourself...

[jmc1144]

Good God! Don't you get it? No amount of apologizing, kissing ass, or bending over is going to appease some of these people. Nothing he can possibly say, is going to make YOU happy either. I don't know how old you are, but at a certain point in your life, you come to realize when your explainations go on deaf ears. The only thing he could possibly do, is what he's already done.

These people don't want to hear his explanation, and in all actuality, their anger isn't toward Ron Paul. They're angry at years of injustice, and he just happens to be the latest vehicle supplying their fuel.

That being said, this forum is for Ron Paul supporters, and you don't seem to fit in that category. You happen to be making more of a deal about this than the media. That tells me, that this issue is a personal problem of your own.

I don't want an apology, I want the true story on this. According to the Ron Paul of '96, I should believe he wrote the letters and apparently had a right to because it was different times back then. According to the Ron Paul of '08, I should believe that they were all ghostwritten, he never looked at a single article, and he has no clue who wrote them. How do you know which story is true? You don't. You're just going with the latter version because it is the one that damages the campaign least. Doesn't necessarily mean that is the true one, just because Ron says the '96 explanation was essentially a mistake. McCain's no vote in 1983 for MLK Day was supposedly a mistake, do you think I buy that? I don't care how truthful someone was before this, that doesn't mean they should be let of the hook and trusted in this circumstance. He's a politician, politicians lie all the time. It's not impossible that Paul is not telling the truth on this one.

[richk]

I am a Republican NOT a Liberarian... I am proud to be a member of the GOP.

If you can say that, you cannot be a true conservative because this party is AFU. BYE BYE TROLL

[spankbot]

I'm reading through this new "batch" of newsletters. These are vile. Look at this one:

http://www.tnr.com/downloads/February1990.pdf



WTF? Hate Whitey Day? This shit is extensive, and in some cases, even worse than the original stuff.

Yes, it's clear Dr Paul wrote many of these. The above is proof of that. This are sick, sick, sick and Dr Paul has not effectively countered them in my opinion. I am seriously considering removing my support.:mad: