Ron Paul ad Tattooed on Roy Jones Jr

[Electric Church]

Well guys....what do ya think?

I figure I post this here because they ganged up on me in the grassroots area so perhaps this could be discretely discussed over here. This news is now posted on the front page of Prison planet .com story here: http://infowars.net/articles/january2008/140108Knockout.htm.

There are some very peculiar things that I feel need to be addressed in a civil and calm matter without cussin and cursin and the usual.

Apparently, for $50,000 dollars Roy is striking a deal to post a colorful Ron Paul tattoo on his back to show to 60 million people around the world from Madison Square Garden. Quite a deal when seats run up to $25,000 each.

Now here is my concern:

Now that this has been picked up by infowars it's gonna generate a lot of attention. And of course that attention will come from MSM sources such as Fox News. If the deal is in the works or in the process and Roy Jones' handlers including Roy Jones know all about this, it might not be such a bad thing even though Fox can still spin it. But, if Roy Jones' handlers and Roy Jones say they never heard of such a proposal and they ridicule it, well you know...Fox will spin that like there's no tomorrow.

Now given the fact that Roy Jones is a multi, multi millionaire, lives on and 88 acre ranch with all his cock fightin birds and wears bracelets that are worth more than $50,000 and is pound for pound one of the best fighters of all time, why would it only take $50,000 to entice him to paint a colorful Ron Paul add on his back and dance around with it for 12 rounds in front of 60 million people when there are at least a 1,000 other potential sponsors who would be bangin on his door to offer him at least 10 times that amount to put a tattoo on his back advertising their products or services?


Opinions?

[noztnac]

Well guys....what do ya think?

I figure I post this here because they ganged up on me in the grassroots area so perhaps this could be discretely discussed over here. This news is now posted on the front page of Prison planet .com story here: http://infowars.net/articles/january2008/140108Knockout.htm.

There are some very peculiar things that I feel need to be addressed in a civil and calm matter without cussin and cursin and the usual.

Apparently, for $50,000 dollars Roy is striking a deal to post a colorful Ron Paul tattoo on his back to show to 60 million people around the world from Madison Square Garden. Quite a deal when seats run up to $25,000 each.

Now here is my concern:

Now that this has been picked up by infowars it's gonna generate a lot of attention. And of course that attention will come from MSM sources such as Fox News. If the deal is in the works or in the process and Roy Jones' handlers including Roy Jones know all about this, it might not be such a bad thing even though Fox can still spin it. But, if Roy Jones' handlers and Roy Jones say they never heard of such a proposal and they ridicule it, well you know...Fox will spin that like there's no tomorrow.

Now given the fact that Roy Jones is a multi, multi millionaire, lives on and 88 acre ranch with all his cock fightin birds and wears bracelets that are worth more than $50,000 and is pound for pound one of the best fighters of all time, why would it only take $50,000 to entice him to paint a colorful Ron Paul add on his back and dance around with it for 12 rounds in front of 60 million people when there are at least a 1,000 other potential sponsors who would be bangin on his door to offer him at least 10 times that amount to put a tattoo on his back advertising their products or services?


Opinions?



Did it occur to you that Roy Jones might be interested in getting a piece of our grassroots? His PPV earnings depend on having people buy the event through HBO. He's probably aware that we raised about 20 million dollars in no time. Don't you think he might see this as an opportunity to broaden his fan base?

He's also on the tail end of his career. Most boxers notoriously mismanage their money. He may have a lot less money than you think considering the cut taken by promoters, his trainer, his cutman, his lawyers, etc.

He'll basically be getting the money for doing nothing.

Bernard Hopkins did a goldenpalace.com ad when he was the middleweight champion of the world. Roy Jones is not in the position he once was.

You have yet to respond to any of this. You just keep posting the same arguments over and over. You've basically undermined our entire effort to get this done and now it is becoming increasingly likely to not happen thanks to your efforts.

:mad:

[noztnac]

In the past three days Electric Church has posted over 70 posts trying to derail the Roy Jones ad project. He has accused many longtime members of this forum of being dishonest. I urge all Ron Paul supporters to look up Electric Church's posting history and to contact admin requesting, at the very least, that he refrain from making the exact same posts over and over in an attempt to undermine our efforts to get a highly original ad campaign for Dr. Paul up and running.

[Electric Church]

Why do you come over here with all this anger? This is why I posted it here to get calm and rational discussion. State your points in a calm and rational way and I'll address them. I think my concerns are valid and there's no reason to be upset even if you do not consider my concerns to be valid.

[Electric Church]

Now let me see if there are any calm and intellectual views to your response and I will see if I can address them.

[noztnac]

Why do you come over here with all this anger? This is why I posted it here to get calm and rational discussion. State your points in a calm and rational way and I'll address them. I think my concerns are valid and there's no reason to be upset even if you do not consider my concerns to be valid.

You accused me and Heath of promoting a scam. You weren't calm and rational. You were rude and obnoxious, repeatedly. Over 70 negative posts by you in the last few days.

I'll let people look at your posting history and mine and make their own minds up about who is trying to help Ron Paul win and who is trying to undermine the campaign.

[noztnac]

Respond to this:

Did it occur to you that Roy Jones might be interested in getting a piece of our grassroots? His PPV earnings depend on having people buy the event through HBO. He's probably aware that we raised about 20 million dollars in no time. Don't you think he might see this as an opportunity to broaden his fan base?

He's also on the tail end of his career. Most boxers notoriously mismanage their money. He may have a lot less money than you think considering the cut taken by promoters, his trainer, his cutman, his lawyers, etc.

He'll basically be getting the money for doing nothing.

Bernard Hopkins did a goldenpalace.com ad when he was the middleweight champion of the world. Roy Jones is not in the position he once was.

You have yet to respond to any of this.

[Electric Church]

Did it occur to you that Roy Jones might be interested in getting a piece of our grassroots? His PPV earnings depend on having people buy the event through HBO. He's probably aware that we raised about 20 million dollars in no time. Don't you think he might see this as an opportunity to broaden his fan base?

Well the way it also could be is that Roy Jones may have heard very little about Ron Paul like many people because of the MSM. And of course we all know that the little that we hear in the MSM about Ron Paul is often twisted. So he definitely would need a serious sales job in order to be convinced that the $50,000 is actually worth a lot more with the additional Ron Paul fans viewing the fight.



He's also on the tail end of his career. Most boxers notoriously mismanage their money. He may have a lot less money than you think considering the cut taken by promoters, his trainer, his cutman, his lawyers, etc.

This is very unlikely. Roy Jones is not Mike Tyson, he does manage his money and likes to invest in other things like rap music projects and he has no drug, or alcohol abuse problems plus he’s got kids.



He'll basically be getting the money for doing nothing.


Well as I said he can get at least 10 times the amount from other potential sponsors.



Bernard Hopkins did a goldenpalace.com ad when he was the middleweight champion of the world. Roy Jones is not in the position he once was.


Yes you are referring to this:

“A middleweight named Bernard Hopkins had one (until his sweat washed it away) in a bout against Felix Trinidad in September 2001. This sparked various wrangles between the casino and boxing authorities; later, ESPN threatened to fine boxers who carried the tats in fights the cable network televised.”

That was a while ago and that was Hopkins not Jones which was a rarity. He probably never did it after that. I’ve never seen Roy wear one in his entire career and I’ve seen almost all his fights except one or two of the very first few.

Anyways, it will be interesting to see what becomes of all this.

As I said I'd be most happy to see Jones wearing a Ron Paul tattoo. It would be great if it was allowed by the boxing authorities

[SeekLiberty]

Well guys....what do ya think?

I figure I post this here because they ganged up on me in the grassroots area so perhaps this could be discretely discussed over here. This news is now posted on the front page of Prison planet .com story here: http://infowars.net/articles/january2008/140108Knockout.htm.

There are some very peculiar things that I feel need to be addressed in a civil and calm matter without cussin and cursin and the usual.

Apparently, for $50,000 dollars Roy is striking a deal to post a colorful Ron Paul tattoo on his back to show to 60 million people around the world from Madison Square Garden. Quite a deal when seats run up to $25,000 each.

Now here is my concern:

Now that this has been picked up by infowars it's gonna generate a lot of attention. And of course that attention will come from MSM sources such as Fox News. If the deal is in the works or in the process and Roy Jones' handlers including Roy Jones know all about this, it might not be such a bad thing even though Fox can still spin it. But, if Roy Jones' handlers and Roy Jones say they never heard of such a proposal and they ridicule it, well you know...Fox will spin that like there's no tomorrow.

Now given the fact that Roy Jones is a multi, multi millionaire, lives on and 88 acre ranch with all his cock fightin birds and wears bracelets that are worth more than $50,000 and is pound for pound one of the best fighters of all time, why would it only take $50,000 to entice him to paint a colorful Ron Paul add on his back and dance around with it for 12 rounds in front of 60 million people when there are at least a 1,000 other potential sponsors who would be bangin on his door to offer him at least 10 times that amount to put a tattoo on his back advertising their products or services?

Opinions?

I really have no idea and so can only speculate a hypothesis. Perhaps Roy Jones really loves and wants Freedom as much as we do and supports Ron Paul?

- SL

[Electric Church]

I really have no idea and so can only speculate a hypothesis. Perhaps Roy Jones really loves and wants Freedom as much as we do and supports Ron Paul?

- SL

Well that is something that was never mentioned. This was presented as a business deal. If Roy Jones loves Ron Paul he'd do it for free.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Well that is something that was never mentioned. This was presented as a business deal. If Roy Jones loves Ron Paul he'd do it for free.

Or a reduced amount. Why would you suggest that it has to be either free, or the market value you place on it, or it must be illegitimate somehow?

[noztnac]

Well that is something that was never mentioned. This was presented as a business deal. If Roy Jones loves Ron Paul he'd do it for free.

Why would he do it for free when he can make $50,000? Would you turn down $50,000? I love Ron Paul but if someone offered me $50,000 to paint Ron Paul on my back I'd certainly take the money. I'd still be supporting Ron Paul and $50,000 is $50,000. Roy Jones is not in the business of turning down money.

[noztnac]

Or a reduced amount. Why would you suggest that it has to be either free, or the market value you place on it, or it must be illegitimate somehow?

I wasn't at the negotiation. Maybe the original amount was $100,000 and he is doing it at a reduced rate. If your question is now that the amount is too high why don't you PM the guy who negotiated it rather than publicly trashing the idea and calling us liars and scam artists?

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

The "you" you are referring to is most certainly not me. Just saying, since you quoted me.

[asgardshill]

When Roy Jones Jr. gets knocked out again, who's going to be able to see the ad? That's where he will be lying, after all.

[Rebel Resource]

I wasn't at the negotiation. Maybe the original amount was $100,000 and he is doing it at a reduced rate. If your question is now that the amount is too high why don't you PM the guy who negotiated it rather than publicly trashing the idea and calling us liars and scam artists?

Say more about the negotiation if you can. That is what interests me and I don't know how much you've revealed about it.

[noztnac]

Forget it. Electric Church squashed the idea. There's almost no way to raise the money in time now. Electric Church wins. No ad to reach 60 million homes. I hope Electric Church is happy. :mad:

[Electric Church]

Get serious. I didn't squash the idea I questioned it and I'm only one person on this forum...that's what people do here,,,it's a forum in a free society where ideas can be questioned and debated. Many, many forum members debated the MLK momeybomb and said MLK is a commie and a womanizer and all sorts of things but the moneybomb still went forward. The idea is not moving forward as planned because chip in went down last night not because of one forum member’s resistance to it. You're giving me way too much credibility as one person to sway majority opinions

[Wendi]

Wow. I hope he doesn't read this thread and change his mind about doing it :rolleyes:

[Electric Church]

Or a reduced amount. Why would you suggest that it has to be either free, or the market value you place on it, or it must be illegitimate somehow?

Well first of all there seems to be nothing finalized, whether it's gonna be a tattoo, a T-Shirt, trunks etc... The $50,000 was presented as the sum required (market value) to get the goods (tattoo on the back).

The market value that I placed on the goods "at least 10 times that amount" is very conservative and is based upon competition: the amount a company or presidential hopeful would pay to have their name printed on the back of a very famous fighter in front of 60 million viewers for 12 rounds of boxing (48 + minutes).

[brandon]

This would have been a far better use of the money that is being spent on a recount in NH. What a waste...

[Electric Church]

Pardon me but I'm not sure I understand: do you mean the money should have been spent on the NH recount?

[constituent]

Well guys....what do ya think?

I figure I post this here because they ganged up on me in the grassroots area so perhaps this could be discretely discussed

wtf electric church? discrete? you're not going soft on us now are you?

[IndieRocker79]

Well guys....what do ya think?

I figure I post this here because they ganged up on me in the grassroots area so perhaps this could be discretely discussed over here...Opinions?

My opinion is that you thought that by moving the idea into a less active forum you might be able to spill the argument over into other forums and continue to up your post count so that you look important.

I've seen very little useful posting from your account in the entire time I've been here. Mostly you just debate and argue with people over silly nonsense, or you flame them and then retract your flames 5 posts later saying you meant something else.

I'm reporting this thread as spam. Have a nice day.

[noztnac]

Electric Church has posted over 90 posts in the last four days about this one grassroots project. Every post has been negative and he successfully, and almost single-handedly derailed the entire effort. He called long time members of this forum dishonest liars and scam artists.

I suggest that we learn something from this debacle. Are we going to let single members spam negative information about grassroots projects in the future or are we going to limit the number of inflammatory negative posts a member can make about a subject?
:mad::mad::mad:

[heath.whiteaker]

Electric Church was single handedly responsible for bringing down the Chip In. The chip in was restored once RJJ team confirmed we were in talks. However the deal fell apart because RJJ is planning this is his last fight.

[Electric Church]

wtf electric church? discrete? you're not going soft on us now are you?

I'm always gentle:)

[Electric Church]

I'm reporting this thread as spam. Have a nice day.


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[Electric Church]

Electric Church has posted over 90 posts in the last four days about this one grassroots project. Every post has been negative and he successfully, and almost single-handedly derailed the entire effort. He called long time members of this forum dishonest liars and scam artists.

I suggest that we learn something from this debacle. Are we going to let single members spam negative information about grassroots projects in the future or are we going to limit the number of inflammatory negative posts a member can make about a subject?
:mad::mad::mad:

oooooooooo
:cool:

[Electric Church]

Electric Church was single handedly responsible for bringing down the Chip In.

:rolleyes:

[Electric Church]

Intelligent reply to my OP welcomed

[Gimme Some Truth]

Intelligent reply to my OP welcomed

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[Corydoras]

This thread is boring.

[angelatc]

Yes it is!

[VoluntaryMan]

Electric Church was single handedly responsible for bringing down the Chip In. The chip in was restored once RJJ team confirmed we were in talks. However the deal fell apart because RJJ is planning this is his last fight.

What are the odds of a post-fight endorsement, even a paid campaign ad?

[Montpelerin]

I actually proposed this idea similar to this in the Sherdog forums...

...I believe the price for a piece of real estate on a pair of trunks runs about 2-5K for a decent fighter at a UFC event.

I think this would be great ROI