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DisabledVet
07-25-2007, 09:27 AM
(This guy needs to hear from us....and he needs to change his tin foil hat)

LINK TO STORY (http://www.freemarketnews.com/Analysis/118/8256/knapp.asp?wid=118&nid=8256)


My Ron Paul Conspiracy Theory
Wednesday, July 25, 2007

A hypothetical timeline:

- Wednesday, November 8th, 2006: Karl Rove wakes up on the couch in his White House office, where he's caught a couple of hours of sleep after a long night. His first order of business is to have a look at the latest vote totals from the previous day's election. Those totals confirm the projections from before his nap -- the Libertarian Party has "spoiled" elections in Missouri and Montana, costing the Republicans their already razor-thin majority in the US Senate.

- Thanksgiving Weekend, 2006: Rove sits down for a post-Thanksgiving breakfast with several key party leaders to discuss "the Libertarian problem." Over steak and eggs, it is decided that enough is enough: The Libertarian Party must be destroyed. Over the last four election cycles, LP candidates have cost the Republicans at least four Senate elections -- one in Washington, one in South Dakota, and the two key seats in the 2006 election. And with 2008 looking bad for Republicans anyway, it's definitely a good time to take out the trash.

What's needed? A Republican candidate who's well-positioned put the Libertarian Party down like a sick dog, with the assistance of the LP itself, or at least of the LP's "base" of members, supporters and prospective candidates (and, as it has transpired in reality, with the financial support of the LP's founder, at least two members of the Libertarian National Committee, and even the LP's lawyer).

- December, 2006: Ron Paul's phone rings.

I've made no secret of the fact that I believe Ron Paul's Republican presidential campaign to be a bad thing for the libertarian political movement in general, and for the Libertarian Party in particular.

What I haven't said before is that I believe that's the point -- that the objective of Paul's campaign is the destruction of the Libertarian Party and the co-opting of the libertarian political movement by a political party which will never serve that movement's goals.

My evidence for this belief? I admit that I don't have much -- when you get right down to it, there's not a lot more evidence for this than there is for the belief of many Paul supporters that the US government was behind the 9/11 attacks, or that the Federal Reserve is a communist conspiracy.

Then again, if those conspiracy theorists are honest -- if they find the evidence for what they believe convincing -- then they're going to have to believe this as well.

The "evidence," of course, is mostly of the cui bono? -- "who benefits?" -- variety.

We know that the Libertarian Party is not benefiting from the Paul campaign. Recent polling shows about 70% of LP members supporting a Republican presidential campaign over any of their own party's candidates. The idea that that could be good for the LP -- or any other political party to which it happens -- is ludicrous on its face.

We know that the larger libertarian movement isn't benefiting from the Paul campaign, either -- because Paul has assiduously avoided selling himself as a "libertarian," choosing instead to brand himself a "conservative" during his presidential run.

And we know that the pattern of Paul's activities over the last 20 years has amounted to a gigantic fleecing of various constituencies, including but not limited to the libertarian movement and the Libertarian Party. At any given moment, Paul may have sold himself to various donor pools as a "libertarian," a "constitutionalist" or a "small government conservative" (he's a little cagier when selling himself to the racists, usually stopping short of flatly identifying himself as one, and blaming unnamed "ghost writers" for saying things differently than he would have when he gets caught doing so) ... but he's arguably functioned in office as a slightly cranky, but otherwise fairly typical, Republican congresscritter.

Paul has drained untold millions out of the libertarian movement and the Libertarian Party over the years by talking a good line and casting strategic votes on the floor of the US House against spending bills -- bills that he knows will pass without his vote; bills he's already packed with pork that he can take credit for with his corporate sponsors and his home-district constituents, while denying responsibility for when he addresses the various pools of "small government" donors he's been playing like a fiddle for so long.

So ... why would Ron Paul bring his 20-year gravy train to its final stop with the 2008 election? Why would he destroy one of his key campaign funding mechanisms after such a benficial and long-standing, if parasitical, relationship? Why would he cash in his chips and take a flier on a GOP presidential run, when he could just as easily keep fleecing the yokels already in hand? Cui bono?

Well, he's 72 -- any way you cut it, he's nearing the end of his own political career. It's time to start planning for posterity, and the incentives in such planning often differ from those germane to previous endeavors. This, his final campaign, sets the stage for future speaking engagements, book deals, columnist or commentator positions, and other lucrative projects. And let's face it -- even a small segment of the Republican "base" disposes of more such opportunities, with more money in play, than the entire Libertarian Party apparatus does ... especially if Paul can drag some of his existing libertarian fans out of the movement and into the GOP behind him.

The Republican Party obviously stands to benefit if Paul's campaign guts the Libertarian Party, either destroying it outright or eviscerating its ability to field "spoiling" candidates in congressional races for even a few election cycles ... which is exactly what's happening. And it's that benefit to the GOP that makes it likely that he was recruited by Rove or some other GOP operative, with a quid pro quo on the table to seal the deal.

If I had to guess, I'd guess that part of that quid pro quo is in the way of keeping Paul's US House seat in the family. I predict that when Ron Paul, Jr. steps forward to claim his father's seat, the Republican power structure will stand aside for him instead of putting up a "party machine approved" primary opponent. It's also possible that various Paul family members or associates will be tapped for executive branch posts -- probably not on the Cabinet level unless it's Paul himself, but hey, "Deputy Assistant Undersecretary of Agriculture for the Wool and Mohair Program Inspectorate" isn't half bad as either a paycheck or a launching pad for a favorite nephew or a long-time friend -- or provided with sinecures by grateful GOP corporate contributors.

The sad thing is that even if Libertarians stop what they're doing, think things over, recognize what Paul is doing to their party, and stop supporting his assault on the very foundations of the American freedom movement, it's unlikely that he can be stopped per se. He'll probably drive his doomed campaign train right through the Republican convention regardless of his chances and regardless of the impact, and the LP will probably have an even crappier election year than usual, regardless of what LP members do. The damage is going to be severe, and it's going to take years to recover from.

The best we can hope for is that LP members will return to sanity sooner rather than later -- before, rather than after, Paul's campaign collapses -- and start rebuilding their battered party. Paul can damage us, but he can't destroy us. We can only do that to ourselves.

jblosser
07-25-2007, 09:29 AM
He was being satirical, and has published a followup article noting he didn't do a very good job.

Andrew76
07-25-2007, 09:34 AM
Well then, it fails miserably as satire and as something legitimate and/or informative. What a waste of time.

specsaregood
07-25-2007, 09:35 AM
He was being satirical, and has published a followup article noting he didn't do a very good job.

Good to know. The Libertarian party stands to do VERY well; nomatter the outcome of Ron Paul's campaign. He has gotten more young people interested in politics than any previous Libertarian candidate. I predict a huge influx to the Libertarian Party and Constitution Party after the primaries.

freelance
07-25-2007, 09:39 AM
Yeah, this didn't work at all as satire, but the FMNN is definitely behind RP. Does anyone have a link to the followup?

paulitics
07-25-2007, 09:45 AM
Most people dont get satire. There is a thread over at Hannity (I lurk to better understand the neocon mindset) where some morons think he is on their side. If there is anyone who has the whole satire thing nailed down, its Colbert, so its not surprising when a rank amateur can't pull it off.

jblosser
07-25-2007, 09:52 AM
It's from Thomas Knapp's blog. Note that he does in fact believe Ron Paul is going to destroy the LP and doesn't want anything to do with him, which is one reason the satire didn't work with people, but he's fairly alone in the LP.

http://knappster.blogspot.com/

JPFromTally
07-25-2007, 09:53 AM
The word libertarian has never been heard so frequently until Paul.

The LP doesn't do well because they're more concerned with infighting than promoting the cause of liberty.

I only supported the LP because of Harry Browne. Even he was fed up with the party before his passing.

Dustancostine
07-25-2007, 10:00 AM
Wouldn't it be better if the LP could gain a foothold in the Rep Party and eventually take it back (that is right I didn't say take it over, I said take it back) then people like Dr. Paul, Dr. Broun and others with LP or Const. Party leanings can actually get elected and have an impact?

jblosser
07-25-2007, 10:03 AM
The naysayers in the LP take it as a given that Ron Paul will neither win the nomination nor significantly affect the GOP. Once that is a given, the "only" effect Ron Paul will supposedly have on the LP is to make them lose ballot access in states where their own candidate has to reach a certain number of votes each election, since people will vote for Paul instead.

Of course given the rampant problems of the LP in even figuring out what their goals really are, losing ballot access and having to start the party over is not necessarily a bad thing.

mconder
07-25-2007, 10:03 AM
The people who have switched to Republican for Ron Paul are not going to stay in the Republican Party after the nomination. This is a marriage of convenience that will end once the honeymoon is over and Ron Paul is either nominated or not. I seriously doubt you will see many LP or Constitution Party members sticking around once the fun is over.

Beside, didn't Shakespeare say "what's in a name?" An libertarian who bears the Republican name is still a libertarian.

Dustancostine
07-25-2007, 10:10 AM
Here is also an example of why I think Libs need to try and get a foothold in the Rep Party.

The first meet up group that I went to was held in a Jason's Deli. We had a group of about 12 and had RP bumper stickers and slimjims on the table. I went to refill my drink at the coke machine and this man in his 50's, very executive looking, looked at me then our table and said sarcastically "If y'all are supporting Ron Paul, y'all must be libertarians", I looked him straight in the eye and said "No sir, we are a group of Republicans", with a look of surprise on his face and some interest he said "Oh Really", I said "Yes sir, would you like a flier", He eagerly said "Sure", I got him a slimjim and later watched as he read the whole thing while eating. Some how psychologically (and I am not justifying this), the fact that we were Republicans (it didn't matter that formerly were we all diverse, for this election we are Republicans) made it ok for him to consider Ron Paul.

That is my experience take it as you will.

Kuldebar
07-25-2007, 10:14 AM
Knapp doesn't like Paul guys. He was being satirical but he didn't support Kubby's move to endorse Paul. He's Kubby's communication director for the Kubby campaign. Kubby mentions this particular dissenter in his interview.

Knapp makes no bones about it, he doesn't think highly of Paul's candidacy.

http://knappster.blogspot.com/

Spatch67
07-25-2007, 10:21 AM
The people who have switched to Republican for Ron Paul are not going to stay in the Republican Party after the nomination. This is a marriage of convenience that will end once the honeymoon is over and Ron Paul is either nominated or not. I seriously doubt you will see many LP or Constitution Party members sticking around once the fun is over.

Beside, didn't Shakespeare say "what's in a name?" An libertarian who bears the Republican name is still a libertarian.

Great point. I would even go so far as to say that if Ron Paul does not get the nomination, then there will be many more people that were once Republicans switching over to the Libertarian party. So in the end, they will be bigger than ever. Republicans have failed America bigtime and the Libertarian party is going to be the natural party of choice.

That is until the Libertarian party scares them away with thier irrational bickering and failure to deal with reality on an intellectually honest level. I wish I were wrong, but the LP is entirely too black and white about everything. Once they learn that you cannot cripple the state overnight, but rather through a procedural change involving open minded candidates and education, then they may have a prayer of a chance one day.

Dustancostine
07-25-2007, 10:22 AM
The people who have switched to Republican for Ron Paul are not going to stay in the Republican Party after the nomination. This is a marriage of convenience that will end once the honeymoon is over and Ron Paul is either nominated or not. I seriously doubt you will see many LP or Constitution Party members sticking around once the fun is over.

Beside, didn't Shakespeare say "what's in a name?" An libertarian who bears the Republican name is still a libertarian.

That is my point. What is in a name. If you hold your principles, vote for who you think is the best candidate then that is what is important as a voter. But as someone who is seeking office, it doesn't make much since to run on the Lib ticket if you have very little chance of getting elected (if your a millionaire go ahead) when you could run as a Republican and get elected as Ron Paul, Ron Broun and Jim Guest have shown. The original core principles of the Rep. party are basically the same as Lib and Const. (pretty damn close). What is the point of complaining about the Rep, why not change it. If all the Lib voters voted in the Rep primary (most states don't even have a Lib primary) and then got elected as precinct chairs the face of the Rep party would change very quickly. I think you are going to see this very soon anyways with RP's candidacy.

Also this goes back to the mind set of the voting public and the msm. A lot of Dems and Rep go in and vote down the line and do no research what so ever. How can you expect to get those votes? You can't.

mconder
07-25-2007, 10:26 AM
or that the Federal Reserve is a communist conspiracy.

I don't think any of the Federal Reserve theorists believe that it was a "communist" conspiracy. This already lets me know this guy is out of touch.

NCGOPer_for_Paul
07-25-2007, 10:34 AM
Dustancostine,

Exactly.

If all the Paul meetup folks would just register Republican and get active within the party, the party would change from the inside.

As I have posted before, y'all would be shocked at just how many "average" Republicans would love to hear something different than the same nonsense.

kylejack
07-25-2007, 10:40 AM
The Losertarians have been pathetic and ineffective for 30 years. Ron Paul was wise to ditch them and get elected where he could effect real change. If they ever decide they want to be relevant, maybe they should stop requiring people to sign the NAP before joining the party. I view them more as a political discussion group than a relevant political party. And I'm a pretty rabid libertarian who always votes for a Libertarian when I have a chance.

Dustancostine
07-25-2007, 10:45 AM
Dustancostine,

Exactly.

If all the Paul meetup folks would just register Republican and get active within the party, the party would change from the inside.

As I have posted before, y'all would be shocked at just how many "average" Republicans would love to hear something different than the same nonsense.

For Example my meetup group is planning on calling and contacting every Rep, Lib and const. in our area to support RP and gain members for our meetup. We also plan to have at least one, hopefully more RP supports to show up at the precinct chair elections at every precinct in our congressional district. That way we not only will control the precincts, but the election of the county and congressional chairs. If every meetup group did this we could change the party this election cycle.