Ron Paul ad & Roy Jones Jr Boxing - a PPV fight

[Bryan]

Contract status from Heath as of 1/15 4:20PM CST: Contract fell through - I will be refunding everyone's money it will take me about an hour to process all of them. Give me at least an hour so that everyone that donated will get their money back. Thank You.

I will tell you what happened after everyone has their money back.


Old info:

This message and project is from the efforts of forum member heath.whiteaker.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=9734
http://ronpaul.meetup.com/1058/members/4739708/

He wrote: We are raising funds for the ad on Roy Jones Jr's back for the fight. The fight will be on the 19th and will be on HBO PPV. This is a HUGE fight. Read about the fight here (http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/2008/0119_trinidad_jones/news/announcement.html)

Like Ron Paul, Roy Jones Jr. has been very outspoken against the war in Iraq. This fight will be huge, the seats alone for this fight are currently going for $25K a piece.

The Trinidad vs. Jones domestic pay-per-view telecast beginning at 9 pm ET/6 pm PT will be produced and distributed by HBO Pay-Per-View and will be available in more than 61 million pay-per-view homes.

Any help that you can give is much appreciated. If you still have questions I can be reached by PM, or Phone 863-837-1032

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There will be two chip-ins for this:

The first has been established by Heath and will be used as to send money to forum member AdamT's The American Liberty Coalition PAC. If the full $50K total (from both chip-ins) is not raised or no contract is finalized then the money will be refunded. The American Liberty Coalition PAC will source the funding to the boxer. Here is this chip-in:
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The second chip-in will go directly to The American Liberty Coalition PAC. If the full $50K total (from both chip-ins) is not raised or no contract is finalized then the money will be used for other Ron Paul advertising projects as desired by the PAC. For sizable donations you may want to pre-arrange some details. Here is the second chip-in:
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Any overage from a combined $50K total of the two chips-ins will be used for other Ron Paul advertising projects as desired by the PAC. In all cases, you must supply FEC info for $200+ donations which includes name and employer- this is standard for a PAC. The American Liberty Coalition has done some excellent work and was responsible for the winning CNN/YouTube debate commercial, "Something Big". See: http://www.alcpac.com. The $5,000 PAC limit applies as normal too.

Please note: RonPaulForums.com will never touch any of this money and thus has no control over it. It is suggested that anyone considering donating perform due diligence to satisfy any concerns they have.
Please use this thread to discuss due diligence issues: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=90037

Everyone is welcome to post questions but please keep them appropriate.

[reverse]

Donated.

[cyrax]

Loved the idea from the beginning.
As soon as heath provides proof that it is going down I'll send my moola.
GL to heath.

[noztnac]

Please contact:

Alex Jones

http://www.infowars.com/contact/index.html

and Adam Curry

adam@podshow.com

and ask them to help raise funds for the Roy Jones Jr. Ron Paul chipin.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=954829

Time is running out!
:D

[Ron2Win]

I donated U$50.00, This will be HUGE!! let's get this done.

[kirkblitz]

to the top we go

[oldjersey]

Ron Paul!

[Edu]

It is suggested that anyone considering donating perform due diligence to satisfy any concerns they have.OK

EDIT: Found PAC on FEC site, anyone can verify (and always should) Search at:
http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/srssea.shtml
I entered "American Liberty" then look for "American Liberty Coalition".

Old message:
There's a "American Liberty PAC" with no information for 2008. But no "American Liberty Coalition"
http://opensecrets.org/pacs/index.asp
From the posts here it looks like this PAC has taken well over $3000 for things, so it should be listed on a database somewhere.
Anyone find anything else that's verifiable?
I hope Bryan calls Roy Jones' office direct to sort this out.

[kirkblitz]

Edu, today i have seen you bash this PPV thing
the Nevada meet up group
the operation broadcast freedom group

How much is McCain paying you?

[aoeu]

bumping this

[Cyclone]

fyi, Heath also said:

Ok. here is what is happening. We are close to having a contract however. They are checking to make sure he will not get fined for having this on his back. After the Golden Palace incident they were talking about fines..... His manager is checking to see if those fines are in place now. If so I will ask about maybe a T Shirt or some thing on the back of the shorts

Just sitting idle right now

On the show he stated that the Jones camp is looking into charges that Ron Paul is a racist. He said they are in negotiations.

No deal has been made for anything at this point.



(posted for full disclosure)

[Electric Church]

OK
There's a "American Liberty PAC" with no information for 2008. But no "American Liberty Coalition"
http://opensecrets.org/pacs/index.asp
From the posts here it looks like this PAC has taken well over $3000 for things, so it should be listed on a database somewhere.
Anyone find anything else that's verifiable?
I hope Bryan calls Roy Jones' office direct to sort this out.


good post

[noztnac]

I donated U$50.00, This will be HUGE!! let's get this done.

Nice work!

[Bryan]

OK
There's a "American Liberty PAC" with no information for 2008. But no "American Liberty Coalition"
http://opensecrets.org/pacs/index.asp
From the posts here it looks like this PAC has taken well over $3000 for things, so it should be listed on a database somewhere.
Anyone find anything else that's verifiable?

Here is a link to their web site:
http://www.alcpac.com

Here is the user profile:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=649




I hope Bryan calls Roy Jones' office direct to sort this out.
They would have no info on the PAC, or are you referring to something else? I have no plans to call at this time.

[Cyclone]

Here is a link to their web site:
http://www.alcpac.com

Here is the user profile:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=649




They would have no info on the PAC, or are you referring to something else? I have no plans to call at this time.


I think people are waiting for you to verify that the deal about the tattoo on his back during the fight is happening and what the terms of the deal are.

[Bryan]

fyi, Heath also said:

Ok. here is what is happening. We are close to having a contract however. They are checking to make sure he will not get fined for having this on his back. After the Golden Palace incident they were talking about fines..... His manager is checking to see if those fines are in place now. If so I will ask about maybe a T Shirt or some thing on the back of the shorts

Just sitting idle right now

On the show he stated that the Jones camp is looking into charges that Ron Paul is a racist. He said they are in negotiations.

No deal has been made for anything at this point.



(posted for full disclosure)
Thanks- I'll update the original.

[kirkblitz]

its pretty obvious the fight is happening...

http://www.hbo.com/boxing/

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=18831

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/packProg/highlights.jsp?assetId=1100103

[Cyclone]

I should have added the "show" was the Jack Blood radio show.

[Electric Church]

Here is a link to their web site:
http://www.alcpac.com

Here is the user profile:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=649




Yes the website checks out and he is a member on this forum but there is no database to show that this organization is a legitimate PAC

[Cyclone]

its pretty obvious the fight is happening...

http://www.hbo.com/boxing/

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=18831

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/packProg/highlights.jsp?assetId=1100103

Yes, that is why I revised my post. Look up.

[kirkblitz]

bump so we dont have to read 80000000000000000000 pages in the other thread

[noztnac]

Electric doesn't seem to understand that money may not be the only motivating factor for Roy Jones Jr. In the same sense that Ron Paul will be reaching a new demographic Roy Jones Jr. will be reaching an entirely new fanbase who may have never even been interested in boxing before his Ron Paul ad. Ron Paul supporters across the nation will be cheering for him to win and will be tuning in to watch him fight.

[AdamT]

Yes the website checks out and he is a member on this forum but there is no database to show that this organization is a legitimate PAC

The American Liberty Coalition PAC was founded it back in September by me. If you look on the FEC website, you can see it is indeed legit. There is no question about it. I just filed by Q4 report with them.

On Dec. 31st we filed an amended Statement Of Organization updating our status from an Independent Expenditure group to a proper PAC. You can view the doc here.
http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?_28039581778+0

I spoke with Heath personally and everything is legit. He's working on the contract now I believe. He requested the help of my PAC so we offered to help him.

[Trigonx]

bump, i think this would be HUGE for us

[noztnac]

Donate $5 right now and we can make this happen.

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

I put in ten bucks early this morning. If this doesn't pan out, how to the refunds work? Does it just get credited back to your card?

[Electric Church]

The American Liberty Coalition PAC was founded it back in September by me. If you look on the FEC website, you can see it is indeed legit. There is no question about it. I just filed by Q4 report with them.



Thanks

I went to FEC website site:
http://search.fec.gov/search?q=American+Liberty+Coalition+&btnG=Search&ie=&site=fecgov_collection&output=xml_no_dtd&client=fecgov_collection&lr=&y=3&proxystylesheet=fecgov_collection&x=5&oe=

And typed in American Liberty Coalition PAC into the search and nothing showed up

I'll keep trying

[Electric Church]

Electric doesn't seem to understand that money may not be the only motivating factor for Roy Jones Jr. In the same sense that Ron Paul will be reaching a new demographic Roy Jones Jr. will be reaching an entirely new fanbase who may have never even been interested in boxing before his Ron Paul ad. Ron Paul supporters across the nation will be cheering for him to win and will be tuning in to watch him fight.


Believe me....I understand what it would mean to have Roy Jones for 12 rounds in front of millions of fans with a colorful Ron Paul tattoo on his back and I would be thrilled.

But it's right out of Jones' character unless he really supported Ron Paul then I'm sure he would do it and he'd do it for free

[kirkblitz]

Thanks

I went to FEC website site:
http://search.fec.gov/search?q=American+Liberty+Coalition+&btnG=Search&ie=&site=fecgov_collection&output=xml_no_dtd&client=fecgov_collection&lr=&y=3&proxystylesheet=fecgov_collection&x=5&oe=

And typed in American Liberty Coalition PAC into the search and nothing showed up

I'll keep trying
Presented by the Federal Election Commission
Committees that match specified criteria:

AMERICAN LIBERTY COALITION; THE
Address: HANCOCK, WI 54943
Committee Designation: UNAUTHORIZED
Treasurer: CHRIS RYE
Committee Type: INDEPENDENT EXPENDITURE(PERSON OR GROUP, NOT A COMMITTEE)

AMERICAN LIBERTY PAC
Address: ARLINGTON, VA 22201
Treasurer: SUSAN WATERMAN HRBEK
Committee Type: NON-PARTY NON-QUALIFIED

AMERICAN LIBERTY POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE
Address: WASHINGTON, DC 20016
Treasurer: Christopher J. Ward
Committee Type: QUALIFIED NON-PARTY

TAIWANESE AMERICAN LIBERTY FUND-PAC AKA TALF-PAC
Address: PISCATAWAY, NJ 08854
Treasurer: AH-LAN HUANG
Committee Type: NON-PARTY NON-QUALIFIED

Total of 4 Committee(s) matched criteria

TRY A: NEW SEARCH NEW ADVANCED SEARCH
RETURN TO: FEC HOME PAGE

http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/norcomsea.shtml

[kirkblitz]

bump

[AdamT]

Presented by the Federal Election Commission
Committees that match specified criteria:

AMERICAN LIBERTY COALITION; THE
Address: HANCOCK, WI 54943
Committee Designation: UNAUTHORIZED
Treasurer: CHRIS RYE
Committee Type: INDEPENDENT EXPENDITURE(PERSON OR GROUP, NOT A COMMITTEE)

This is me.

[Sentinelrv]

I think the chipin should be in a more visible location, such as the front page of RonPaulForums.com, especially since this is very time sensitive.

[KewlRonduderules]

Agreed!

[oldjersey]

The chip-in needs to be updated at ronpaulboxing.com

[reverse]

Believe me....I understand what it would mean to have Roy Jones for 12 rounds in front of millions of fans with a colorful Ron Paul tattoo on his back and I would be thrilled.

But it's right out of Jones' character unless he really supported Ron Paul then I'm sure he would do it and he'd do it for free

Here we go again. Do you ever stop? Keep it positive or keep out. You've infiltrated the other two threads with nonproductive bullshit, and you even said you were done in the other thread.

Here's to hoping we can all pull this off. :)

[Edu]

Edited my previous post near the top:

EDIT: Found PAC on FEC site, anyone can verify (and always should) Search at:
http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/srssea.shtml
I entered "American Liberty" then look for "American Liberty Coalition".

You have to expect people to check these things out when someone asks for money.

[Supermanpi]

Here we go again. Do you ever stop? Keep it positive or keep out. You've infiltrated the other two threads with nonproductive bullshit, and you even said you were done in the other thread.

Here's to hoping we can all pull this off. :)

Agreed. Whats the point of continually trying to speak negatively on this project? Every point of his which is proven wrong he tries again and again with a new topic. Go put up a sign or knock on a door.

Positive energy is needed.

Sorry my first post had to be this but it's getting rediculous.

[kirkblitz]

yay for roy

[Cyclone]

Not trying to start a fight. I want to donate to this project and will as soon as I see a contract or some proof of an actual deal between this guy and Roy Jones.

What ever happened with this post? Is this bull?

This was posted over at DP. Any response?

*****ALERT***** I JUST CALLED ROY JONES JR INC IN FLA.
On January 14th, 2008 Eyes Wide Open says:

THIS IS A SCAM!!!
I just got off the phone with a person named "Linda" who has been with Roy Jones jr for 15 years and she stated that she hasn't heard anything about this and is calling Roy Jones jr right now. She went on to state that she doubts that Roy would ever promote any candidate ever. He does not want to use his popularity to effect public sentiment one way or another for any candidate. As she and I discussed Roy has been an invitee to the white house and supporting one candidate over another is just something that is basically off-limits. She also stated that where they are fighting they do not allow boxers to put an advertising on their bodies and this is sort of beneath Roy Jones at this point in his career. I am still waiting on her call back but I emailed her this

website: http://ronpaulonroyjonesj...

That states the site owner is taking chip in donations for Ron Paul advertising so I strongly suggest you not donate to this and attempt to cancel the charges or get a refund whichever way you need to.

This is how i got in touch with the representative "linda" at this website:

http://www.yellowpages.co...

I am not sure we all want to be bothering her at once especially since she seems a little under the weather with a cold. But the phone number is there if a couple of people want to call in order to corroborate my information that is up to you but she is the only one answering the phone so i would not suggest we all blast her at once.

I don;t know who this person is that is saying he has spoken to Roy Jones jr inc. but I know I just did.
More details as I get it.

[kirkblitz]

i just spoke with George Bush and he told me he would endorse Ron Paul. More details as i get them.

Anyone can make up some BS, but not everyone takes the time to make a PAC and file papers to make their story believable

[KewlRonduderules]

i just spoke with George Bush and he told me he would endorse Ron Paul. More details as i get them.

Anyone can make up some BS, but not everyone takes the time to make a PAC and file papers to make their story believable


+1

:D

[Drknows]

So this isnt happening now? Both chipins are down.

Jesus

[Cyclone]

...

[Electric Church]

I just discovered something.

If you click on either chip in they both say that "the event could not be found"

I checked about half an hour ago and it was up to 3k. Since it is gone, how do you get your money back now?


gone?

[Electric Church]

http://ronpaulonroyjonesjrback.chipin.com/roy-jones-jr-fight-ad

[kirkblitz]

http://www.ronpaulboxing.com/

Looks like hes trying to fix it

[KewlRonduderules]

One is up and the other is down for some reason:

http://ronpaulforumsdotcom.chipin.com/ron-paul-boxing

[Electric Church]

One is up and the other is down for some reason:

http://ronpaulforumsdotcom.chipin.com/ron-paul-boxing

that one's down too

[Drknows]

One is up and the other is down for some reason:

http://ronpaulforumsdotcom.chipin.com/ron-paul-boxing


Both chipins are down for me.


the PAC
http://ronpaulforumsdotcom.chipin.com/ron-paul-boxing

and heaths
http://ronpaulonroyjonesjrback.chipin.com/roy-jones-jr-fight-ad

[Electric Church]

I wonder if this is legal to solicit funds in the name of someone popular without their knowledge

[Electric Church]

do do do do do do do

[BeFranklin]

I wonder if this is legal to solicit funds in the name of someone popular without their knowledge

I think someone should give Heath a call. I still have confidence because a) most people don't risk their livelihood over 3k. b) the event may have fallen through.

Also, c) looking at past behavior, I also wouldn't put it past a troll to try to shut down the chip-in even if nothing is wrong. Both the blimp company and Llepard had problems with people like Electric.

[BeFranklin]

Both chipins are down for me.


the PAC
http://ronpaulforumsdotcom.chipin.com/ron-paul-boxing

and heaths
http://ronpaulonroyjonesjrback.chipin.com/roy-jones-jr-fight-ad

Since one is a chipin for a pac, it shouldn't be down, unless either the contract fell through, or some troll idiot. ie the pac chipin isn't heath's chipin from what I've been reading on here - I've been gone all day, so the pac chipin shouldn't be affected.

[Electric Church]

with people like Electric.

lol lol lol lol


You guys are getting desparate


How's your benny pop doin?

[Drknows]

I wonder if this is legal to solicit funds in the name of someone popular without their knowledge

I dont know maybe you should call the authorities on the grassroots Benedict Arnold.

[Cyclone]

Good point. Maybe he is giving everyone their money back (if the event fell through).

[BeFranklin]

lol lol lol lol


You guys are getting desparate


How's your benny pop doin?

I reported this for forum violations. I'm not affiliated with Heath, and I'm sick of your slander. I think its a gread idea, and I hope we can do it.

[Cyclone]

What is a benny pop?

[Electric Church]

Slander? To not believe in this?


http://www.gambling911.com/Ron-Paul-Roy-Jones-Jr-Large.jpg

[Electric Church]

What is a benny pop?


benny "pop" was my view of the the proposed ben franklin money bomb that would have conflicted with the MLK official money bomb

[BeFranklin]

I dont know maybe you should call the authorities on the grassroots Benedict Arnold.

Thats what I'm thinking - it happened with the blimp. The guy that made up all the fake donations also tried "siking the authortarians" on the blimp company as a fraud, and was still hating it on wonkette (sp?) long after it launched. For all we know, this is the same guy.

On the other hand, it might have fallen through with. I'm going to wait before deciding though.

[BeFranklin]

benny "pop" was my view of the the proposed ben franklin money bomb that would have conflicted with the MLK official money bomb

This guy sounds exactly like the wonkette guy from the blimp.

Notice the hate, and like he is in the special know or something.

FYI: I also was not involved in the franklin money bomb.

[Marc3579]

This guy sounds exactly like the wonkette guy from the blimp.

Notice the hate, and like he is in the special know or something.

FYI: I also was not involved in the franklin money bomb.

Eh I took the day off from the forums to be with my son, and get some school work done. As for electric church, a troll is a troll. He went from being a boxing fan, to "knowing" Roy Jones Jr, to being a boxer, then to just being a boxing fan for thirty years. I'll call a spade a spade and say we hold electric feet to the fire if this should happen to fall through...

[Electric Church]

Well i'm not gonna defend myself against a 47 poster who wants me to believe that RJjr pound for pound one of the greatest fighers of all time is gonna put this on his back for 50k:

http://www.gambling911.com/Ron-Paul-Roy-Jones-Jr-Large.jpg

If that makes me a troll then there are many many trolls

[BeFranklin]

Eh I took the day off from the forums to be with my son, and get some school work done. As for electric church, a troll is a troll. He went from being a boxing fan, to "knowing" Roy Jones Jr, to being a boxer, then to just being a boxing fan for thirty years. I'll call a spade a spade and say we hold electric feet to the fire if this should happen to fall through...

Same here. I took the day off, got back, mis-read Bryan's post initially and thought the contract was finalized, and then I get this.

Worse comes to worse, we can try again some other time, apparently there is some advertising market for this sort of thing, except this event would have been great.

I sent an email, and called chip-in support to see if I could find out anything. Still hopeful, but beginning to think it was canceled.

[Drknows]

Same here. I took the day off, got back, mis-read Bryan's post initially and thought the contract was finalized, and then I get this. Worse comes to worse, we can try again some other time, apparently there is some advertising market for this sort of thing, except this event would have been great.

I sent an email, and called chip-in support to see if I could find out anything.

I have a feeling the opponents already called chipin support thats why two separate chipins went down at the same time.

[Electric Church]

I'll call a spade a spade and say we hold electric feet to the fire if this should happen to fall through...


Listen troll, I came on here to prevent people from donating to this because it was impossible to be true.

Now the chip in is gone and so is the money and now you are trying to blame me for what? The chip in being down and the money gone?

[The Minister]

If that makes me a troll then there are many many trolls

Nothing short of an apology to all of the people in here you falsely accused of being co-conspirators, including myself, will be acceptable to me.


To quote the 'Big Lebowski.'

"You're not wrong, Walter. You're just an as*****!"

[surf]

i'm still hopeful...
be nice boys, we're in this together

[Drknows]

Apology for what? Trying to warn people that they could loose their money? And if that Chip in doesn't come back it looks like they have

TWO CHIPINS ARE DOWN.

One that guy heath set up. AND ONE the Admin of this forum set up with a PAC.

So your saying the ADMIN is ripping people off now?

[BeFranklin]

Another thread says the granny chip-in for the recount is down. This one didn't say event cancelled or whatever the boxing one said, it just said "ended" about 10k before the amount needed for the recount.

[thechitowncubs]

Just be patient young padawons and patriots, be patient.

[The Minister]

Another thread says the granny chip-in for the recount is down. This one didn't say event cancelled or whatever the boxing one said, it just said "ended" about 10k before the amount needed for the recount.

As far as the Granny's go, I know that they have been overwhelmed at points and the counter has not been able to keep up. Maybe the total was reached.

[Sey.Naci]

Sounds like Chip-in, period, may be having problems.

[Phantom]

Now it is posted on Alex Jones website.

http://infowars.net/articles/january2008/140108Knockout.htm (http://infowars.net/articles/january2008/140108Knockout.htm)

[Vet_from_cali]

im not clear on whats going on here. is there suppose to be a TV ad during the fight, or roy jones painting ron paul on his back? i keep seeing this back pose with ron paul on it. can someone clarify what were trying to do and if it is going to happen?
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[Onyx]

theres a bunch of chipins that are broken, i dont think its because this guy has taken the money and ran. Even the grannys chipin was reset.

[Marc3579]

Ya I think chipin is down for right now, I've heard of it happening before the granny was saying it was slow then it caught up now it's down... So...

[Onyx]

It almost sounds like the chipin was deleted - really weird. The grannys one just reseted to $0, it didn't show "The even could not be found".

[AdamT]

I just spoke with Heath. He's been at a Rudy rally in FL all night holding RP signs and away from his computer. He's on his way home now and is gonna check out his ChipIn. For some reason it's down.

[Electric Church]

This should not be getting ANY mass publicity without the knowledge of Roy Jones.

[Cyclone]

I just spoke with Heath. He's been at a Rudy rally in FL all night holding RP signs and away from his computer. He's on his way home now and is gonna check out his ChipIn. For some reason it's down.

Please call him back and ask him what the status of the talks are with the Jones camp. Was that poster right? Is it against the rules of the forum where the event is being held to do body advertising? Is Roy Jones Jr. against the idea of doing any political ads? What do his people say?

[Onyx]

I just spoke with Heath. He's been at a Rudy rally in FL all night holding RP signs and away from his computer. He's on his way home now and is gonna check out his ChipIn. For some reason it's down.

Great news!! :D

[Cyclone]

If this event does not happen we all can thank Electric Church for his flagrant sabotage of our efforts to get Ron Paul publicity in 61 million pay-per-view homes. :mad::mad::mad:

If one member asking questions about an event that at best has been described wishfully, then it had no chance. So far, the last information received from Heath, during his interview on GSN said that the Jones camp was not happy about Paul's racist accusations and thus the deal was in limbo.

For anyone to give money to a deal that is in limbo seems a little foolish to me as well. I am waiting to find out what the actual deal is going to be before donating any money. I mean, I don't want to find out that I spent a fortune and ended up getting a two inch sign under the armpit of some t-shirt for the 50k.

Call me nuts, but I usually look at what I buy. (Not in that other category of no look shoppers. Money is too precious.)

[AdamT]

Just got off the phone w/ Heath. Here's the deal. ChipIn temporarily disabled it until he can talk to them tomorrow morning to explain the situation. Here's their email to him:


Hello,

Thank you for considering ChipIn for your fundraising needs.

Your event, "Roy Jones Jr Fight Ad", is using highly recognizable names. As such, we need to confirm that you are associated with Roy Jones Jr Fight Ad and Ron Paul and that this is a legitimate fundraising event.

Please contact us as soon as possible with information that can confirm that you are legitimately fundraising for Ron Paul. Until then, your fundraising event will be placed on "hold" and will not be able to accept any donations.

Thank you for your understanding and we look forward to helping you raise funds for your event.

Regards, ChipIn

My bet is someone on these forums complained to ChipIn thinking it's a scam, which it is not. If someone did indeed alert ChipIn, it has wasted valuable time in getting the funds raised. Heath will be calling them in the morning to get it turned back on. He also said there were some people requesting refunds, which he is in the process of honoring.

He said he's real close to getting the contract, in which time we'll post here so everyone can view it.

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Lol, well, my 10 bucks is in the system. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

My guess is that the doubters will have ruined it, and will be eating their words.

[Drknows]

Just got off the phone w/ Heath. Here's the deal. ChipIn temporarily disabled it until he can talk to them tomorrow morning to explain the situation. Here's their email to him:



My bet is someone on these forums complained to ChipIn thinking it's a scam, which it is not. If someone did indeed alert ChipIn, it has wasted valuable time in getting the funds raised. Heath will be calling them in the morning to get it turned back on. He also said there were some people requesting refunds, which he is in the process of honoring.

He said he's real close to getting the contract, in which time we'll post here so everyone can view it.

Thank you for the INFO.

[nc4rp]

i still have $50 to chip. waiting for confirmation.

[Marc3579]

Just got off the phone w/ Heath. Here's the deal. ChipIn temporarily disabled it until he can talk to them tomorrow morning to explain the situation. Here's their email to him:



My bet is someone on these forums complained to ChipIn thinking it's a scam, which it is not. If someone did indeed alert ChipIn, it has wasted valuable time in getting the funds raised. Heath will be calling them in the morning to get it turned back on. He also said there were some people requesting refunds, which he is in the process of honoring.

He said he's real close to getting the contract, in which time we'll post here so everyone can view it.

TY Adam for clearing this up. I'm sure ChipIn will set it back up. I've got no reason to doubt him.

[heath.whiteaker]

I have refunded those who have asked for it. Sorry I was not readily available... I was at a Rudy Rally holding up some RP signs.

[Marc3579]

Heath I think we'll pull this off, will the help of GCN and Alex...I think it'll come to fruition ;)

[Sesshomaru]

I have refunded those who have asked for it. Sorry I was not readily available... I was at a Rudy Rally holding up some RP signs.

Heath whats the total up to now before the chipin shut down?

[heath.whiteaker]

$3,000 or so before refunds

[Marc3579]

Heath whats the total up to now before the chipin shut down?

I wasn't able to pull up a total about an hour or two ago... :S

[Cyclone]

I have refunded those who have asked for it. Sorry I was not readily available... I was at a Rudy Rally holding up some RP signs.

So what is the deal? Is it true that Madison Square Garden won't allow body advertising? Is it true that RJJ won't support any candidate? I heard your interview, have you been in further contact with RJJ's folks since then? What did they say?

I saw the total about half an hour before it went down. It was at 3k or so.

[RCRanger03]

i know since i dont have many posts your not going to take me seriously but your obviously not going to change his mind so is the banter necessary. Its not your money any of us is spending its ours and what we do with it is our buisness. You are entitled to your opinion and you have the right to post them, and if it turns out that this is some huge elaborate scam involving talk show hosts and reputable associations then ill be first to accept you I TOLD YOU SO! Until then hows about we direct all this anxious energy to other endeavors that benifit the campaign rather than create animosity amongst the forum. What do you think?

[RCRanger03]

i just said you could say what you want i was just hoping that instead of instigating or continuing (i dont know how it all began) the argument we apply our efforts to more helpful endeavors for the campaign.

[heath.whiteaker]

tonight... check out this picture
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/flsurfkarma/P1010237.jpg

[Marc3579]

That's at a Rudy rally or?

[Marc3579]

Wish it was warm enough here to wear shorts though lucky you Heath!

[heath.whiteaker]

That's at a Rudy rally or?

Oh it was a Rudy rally all right...

[heath.whiteaker]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/flsurfkarma/P1010235.jpg

[Cal for Paul]

How about I as a free individual say what I want and you as a free individual say what you want.

What do you think?

I have not donated yet, however I don't have any reason to be SURE its a scam, do you? Do you have proof, and saying you have seen Roy fight a lot is not proof. If this falls through AND people DO get their money back(proving it wasn't a scam), are you prepared to be the biggest asshole since the New Republic guy, I know if it is legit but killed by you I will be pissed.

Don't you believe in people's freedom to decide if this is real, if you distrust people that much maybe RP isn't your guy.

[heath.whiteaker]

I have already refunded anyone who asked for a refund... I think a total of 6 people now.

[Marc3579]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/flsurfkarma/P1010235.jpg

Where are the Ghoul's signs?

[heath.whiteaker]

Where are the Ghoul's signs?

the cops had us separated until several more individuals were able to infiltrate their ranks.

[hasan]

is the ad still on?

[The Minister]

I have not donated yet, however I don't have any reason to be SURE its a scam, do you? Do you have proof, and saying you have seen Roy fight a lot is not proof. If this falls through AND people DO get their money back(proving it wasn't a scam), are you prepared to be the biggest asshole since the New Republic guy, I know if it is legit but killed by you I will be pissed.

Don't you believe in people's freedom to decide if this is real, if you distrust people that much maybe RP isn't your guy.

It's especially frustrating for me since he's a canucklehead too. From BC no less.

[Marc3579]

Ahhh I've not seen a Rudy sign I'm just wondering what it says is all...

[noztnac]

is the ad still on?

Yes.

[heath.whiteaker]

Ahhh I've not seen a Rudy sign I'm just wondering what it says is all...

first picture had some... just our signs were way bigger. I made sure I brought out a big boy sign too. Speaking of... none of the rudy people brought their own sign they gave them these paper sheets that said Florida is Rudy Country.

[Marc3579]

Wow... That speaks volumes as to their finical woes I think...

[surf]

the ad is definitely on? confirm that 8-time world champ Roy Jones Jr. is in?

[Marc3579]

Yes, he's working on having the contract to put on the internet tomorrow...

[Cyclone]

So what is the deal? Is it true that Madison Square Garden won't allow body advertising? Is it true that RJJ won't support any candidate? I heard your interview, have you been in further contact with RJJ's folks since then? What did they say?

I saw the total about half an hour before it went down. It was at 3k or so.

Hello? Heath? What is the deal?


I am not trying to be negative, but for all of you new to this, this stuff started around 8am PST today. So that is 14 hours now. The original post in a thread that is no longer here said ****This has been Confirmed****Contractual Evidence to follow****
It went on to say that he was raising funds for the ad on Roy Jones' Jr. back.

The post then asked for the money.

Later on Mr. Whiteaker admitted that nothing at all was confirmed and that it turned out it might not be allowed to do body advertising so perhaps he would put the ad on RJJ's shorts or perhaps a t-shirt.

That then filled people with trepidation as a lot had already been donated and his later post contradicted the fact that anything had been confirmed.

People began to get worried. When asked questions Mr. Whiteaker either attacked the poster, threatened to leave, or didn't answer anything at all.

EC, while not the most polite at times, has been here the whole time trying to get the bottom of what was once a confirmed issue and then turned into a an attempt to get a deal, all the while funds were expected to keep flowing.

Now, again, I ask a question about what is actually going on and no answer is forthcoming.

I want to believe this guy, but his behavior all day has been rude and suspicious. So, before you jump down anyone's throat for asking questions about this deal you need to know the whole story.

That original thread was deleted so I can't link to it.

[Marc3579]

He wasn't rude in his original thread I remember very clearly how the original thread went. As for your question about MSG how about you use the internet and find out? Adam said he and Heath are working on finishing touches to the contract to get it signed and the posted on the internet. I don't know the answer to the MSG question, I'm not really concerned about the answer. Because, if that happens there are shirts/etc that could work around that.

[hasan]

contract out tomorrow so put your fears to rest

[Electric Church]

I have not donated yet, however I don't have any reason to be SURE its a scam, do you? Do you have proof, and saying you have seen Roy fight a lot is not proof. If this falls through AND people DO get their money back(proving it wasn't a scam), are you prepared to be the biggest asshole since the New Republic guy, I know if it is legit but killed by you I will be pissed.

Don't you believe in people's freedom to decide if this is real, if you distrust people that much maybe RP isn't your guy.

The chip in went down and that's what's killing it. I, however, am one person expressing my opinions even if the whole thread disagrees with them. Just like Ron Paul, sometimes he stands alone but he says what he believes.

Because what I say is not the popular opinion of others they want me silenced. You as an individual can come to your own conclusions instead of blaming one soul who is not in agreement with the many and calling that soul a name.

I've expressed my views and concerns and I want to be wrong. I want to see RJjr with a bright colored Ron Paul tattoo on his back dancin for 12 rounds in front of millions of people. But i, who am all but one on this thread, have a different view than most everyone else except perhaps one or two others.

Now why should one little ole me cause so much fear. Because I express my views I’m labeled a terrorist or saboteur and people want me eliminated. (Does the MO sound familiar?) Don’t worry. People will see that I stand a lone and they will run to the majority like they usually do. So don't worry about little ole me and my little opinions.

[Drknows]

He wasn't rude in his original thread I remember very clearly how the original thread went. As for your question about MSG how about you use the internet and find out? Adam said he and Heath are working on finishing touches to the contract to get it signed and the posted on the internet. I don't know the answer to the MSG question, I'm not really concerned about the answer. Because, if that happens there are shirts/etc that could work around that.

I like the trunks idea. But you know what would be really kick ass?

RON on his right glove and Paul on his left glove then vote 2008 on the wrists.

[hasan]

...

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

I gave my cash, and I want this to happen!

[driller80545]

better put in the contract that RJjr can't get knocked out on his back. that would hide the ad!

[Marc3579]

Woah a whole gang huh? I was one of those people who was responding, I'm far from a "gang" and as far back as I recall it was only me and Heath.

[Electric Church]

cyclone i seriously think your a troll. you were responsible for Mr. Lepard leavin the forum as well.

Heath dont take this trash seriously.


Amazing...the guy calmly and politely ask some intelligent questions and you call him a troll. It's this sort of behavior that brings so much uncertainty to this.

[Cyclone]

cyclone i seriously think your a troll. you were responsible for Mr. Lepard leavin the forum as well.

Heath dont take this trash seriously.

Oh for god's sake. Now you all are going to gang up on me too.

Well, I have had enough. I am not like EC, I don't stick around for this. llepard posted on the forum today, so I don't think he left.

If I could be responsible for people leaving then believe me I would have snapped my magic fingers and a lot of you would have disappeared already.

I defended the man who has helped Ron Paul more than any other on the planet.

Not that it is any of your business, but I already apologized to llepard for attacking him personally. Go look it up if you are so sure you know all the facts in the world.

Now, please, write this man a check yourself for 50k and have fun.

Boy oh boy. Truth is simply not allowed on this forum is it? Amazing. You all are too cruel to be believed.

[hasan]

Amazing...the guy calmly and politely ask some intelligent questions and you call him a troll. It's this sort of behavior that brings so much uncertainty to this.

im not gonna inflame this any further so i wont say anything in my defence. lets get

this ad rolling itll do a great deal of good.

[Marc3579]

*bump*

[heath.whiteaker]

just let it die down right now... it's no problem. Everything is coming together and Chris had some questions about the ad and saying it was through a PAC.

[RonPaul_SantaMonica]

just let it die down right now... it's no problem. Everything is coming together and Chris had some questions about the ad and saying it was through a PAC.

Thanks Heath. Sorry if this has been asked below, when is the contract going to be up ?

[hasan]

Thanks Heath. Sorry if this has been asked below, when is the contract going to be up ?

tomorrow

[heath.whiteaker]

tomorrow

at the latest... if it's not finalized I will start refunding money so people have money for the money bomb on the 21st.

[driller80545]

Thanks for trying to get this done Heath no matter how it works out!

[Marc3579]

Sorry if I jumped the gun Heath. I've got my fingers crossed for us though, this will be HUGE news!

[RCRanger03]

bump for insane potential

[ForLibertyFight]

bump :)

[Marc3579]

*bump* Too important for the second page....

[unloud]

How much money has been raised?

[Jae0]

:( I hope this works.

[BeFranklin]

My bet is someone on these forums complained to ChipIn thinking it's a scam, which it is not. If someone did indeed alert ChipIn, it has wasted valuable time in getting the funds raised. Heath will be calling them in the morning to get it turned back on. He also said there were some people requesting refunds, which he is in the process of honoring.


I think you are right. In fact, Electric make a statement that sounded just like that. It also reminds me of the guy from Wonkette that pledged a whole bunch of false pledges to the blimp, and then when that didn't work, started making similar statements about 'fraud' 'legal trouble' ect on wonkette.

[BeFranklin]

This should not be getting ANY mass publicity without the knowledge of Roy Jones.

You've made a bunch of statements like that, that are at odds with the actual truth of what has been said, since Roy Jones was contacted.

Should you even be here? Asserting an opinion as a fact could be construed as trade libel.

[heath.whiteaker]

Can someone else call chip in and see if it is my phone screwing up or theirs (415)644-5827 between the hours of 9:00AM and 5:00PM PST.

I have called several times but I keep getting disconnected after I select an option.

[Bryan]

Since ChipIn has not responded to why my ChipIn was disabled I created a new one that can be found here:

http://ronpaulforumsdotcom.chipin.com/funds-for-american-liberty-coalition-pac

It's the same deal just giving it a more appropriate name since all funds will be used by PAC and might not be used for the boxing since no contract has been finalized.

AdamT should be able to note how much was raised in the first chipin.

The OP was edited.

Thanks.

[heath.whiteaker]

thank you. I am still working on Chip In and the contract.

[reverse]

Thanks for everyone's hard work. Heath do you expect the contract to be up today?

[LibertyEagle]

bump

[Drknows]

woo hoo its back up but only 2 days left.

[Cyclone]

thank you. I am still working on Chip In and the contract.

Go ahead and flame me. I expect a few thousand for this post.

But since no one is making this clear, I thought I would. If you still want to donate, great. But do so with your eyes open.

Heath at this point has no contract whatsoever in place. He has made it clear that perhaps this ad will end up on his shorts or maybe his t-shirt. If you have ever seen a fight you know that boxers do not wear t-shirts except perhaps, at the end of the fight for all their sponsors.

If the boxer is knocked out, then he never gets to wear that t-shirt.

You could be buying an ad that is two inches big on the bottom of a t-shirt that Mr. Jones Jr. wears at the ends of the fight.

According to paypal, this is all you are buying:

Contribution to Roy Jones Jr Fight Ad by Heath Whiteaker (heath@emmausdesigns.com)


Technically, that could even mean an ad in a newspaper, although I certainly doubt that Heath would do that. I do not think that Heath is trying to hurt anyone, but he may not be aware of the tricks that lawyers play in writing contracts and how little he may actually be getting for the money.

That is why it is so important for us all to be able to read that contract so we can figure out exactly what we are buying or how little it could be.

For example, if it says 50k for an ad on the fighter's back, it could be one inch and that would satisfy the contract but no one on here.

Anyway, I have laid out the situation as I see it and why I am concerned.

Let the flame wars begin!

[Marc3579]

Don't play into Cyclones hand everyone, if you want to donate go for it. Heath has been honest with us and I believe everything is above board. I've seen a few boxers come to the ring with shirts on before Cyclone. I'm not going to play your game this time though, suffice to say that I think to say that people should do their own *due diligence* instead of blindly listening to you. I'd also say that getting infowars.com/Alex Jones to do a story on this is no small feat.

[hasan]

id much rather see this happen than not. its an amazing idea by heath. although it would be best if the ad were on the shorts or body because then it would be withing view throughout the telecast.

heath let us know of any new progress

[heath.whiteaker]

Deal fell through I will be refunding everyone's money it will take me about an hour to process all of them. Give me at least an hour so that everyone that donated will get their money back. Thank You.

I will tell you what happened after everyone has their money back.

[Drknows]

Coming from someone who worked in a factory with hundreds of people of all races. This is how you reach the guys who work 40+ hours a week that don't watch cable news or follow politics.

These fights are bigger than dominoes, Euchre, college games and rank right below the super bowl in betting.


I use to win or lose my rent money on these fights.

[Marc3579]

Sorry Heath... I was behind this 100% not a problem thanks for trying though

[Drknows]

Deal fell through I will be refunding everyone's money it will take me about an hour to process all of them. Give me at least an hour so that everyone that donated will get their money back. Thank You.

I will tell you what happened after everyone has their money back.

damn it.

[JulioForPaul]

If anybody thinks Roy Jones Jr. is going to tattoo his body for a fight for a Republican presidential candidate that is polling last place nationally.... all for only 50k.....then you are crazy. Why risk alienating a lot of his fan base and major sponsors? Why tattoo your body for anything for only 50k when you are worth many millions of dollars?

There hasn't been one ounce of proof provided that this is remotely true. If somehow Roy Jones Jr. is secretly a huge Ron Paul fan and is willing to risk advertising for a candidate for a such a small sum of money..... would you trust somebody to put it together that has no clue how to even provide any evidence to potential contributers?

[heath.whiteaker]

If anybody thinks Roy Jones Jr. is going to tattoo his body for a fight for a Republican presidential candidate that is polling last place nationally.... all for only 50k.....then you are crazy. Why risk alienating a lot of his fan base and major sponsors? Why tattoo your body for anything for only 50k when you are worth many millions of dollars?

There hasn't been one ounce of proof provided that this is remotely true. If somehow Roy Jones Jr. is secretly a huge Ron Paul fan and is willing to risk advertising for a candidate for a such a small sum of money..... would you trust somebody to put it together that has no clue how to even provide any evidence to potential contributers?

wow 24 big posts.... It had nothing to do with the money actually. If you donated money you will be the first to know why the deal fell through.

[oldjersey]

wow 24 big posts.... It had nothing to do with the money actually. If you donated money you will be the first to know why the deal fell through.

I hope it wasn't a forum member who ruined this by calling his people.

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

So what is the status of this?

[spiteface]

Heath, don't be discouraged. The sane people here really appreciate your efforts. Too bad this didn't pan out.

[tom4ronpaul08]

heath this was a great idea, sorry it fell thru i liked it .... just keep thinking up new ones and don't let small minded people stop you ....

[Soccrmastr]

Yeah I liked the idea. Hope to see some details soon. Why even wait to tell us what happened?

[heath.whiteaker]

Yeah I liked the idea. Hope to see some details soon. Why even wait to tell us what happened?

The reason was a pretty good one. However I think the people that donated the money deserve to hear first. I am on the third page of donations

[spiteface]

He's probably refunding the money as quickly as possible since he was repeatedly accused of being a crook on this forum, which was pathetic. I really hope it wasn't the racism crap that did this in.

[heath.whiteaker]

He's probably refunding the money as quickly as possible since he was repeatedly accused of being a crook on this forum, which was pathetic. I really hope it wasn't the racism crap that did this in.

nothing to do with it.

[spiteface]

nothing to do with it.

at least that's good news i guess

[heath.whiteaker]

All money has been refunded. I thank you guys for your support and I am looking forward to doing some other type of advertising in the future. Andre Berto is really interested in this now as well.

Here is the message that went out with all the refunds!

Hello, I am sad to say that this deal has fallen through. We will not have an ad for this event. This will be RJJ last fight and he doesn’t want to be known for endorsing a candidate. So I thank you for your donation and I am refunding your money.

[Onyx]

Thanks for your efforts Heath! That was a really good idea on your part and I'm sure you will think of something even better next time!!!! :D Thanks!

[dsentell]

Sorry to hear this is a no go . . .

Thanks for all your efforts Heath!

[TER]

Heath, we all thank your efforts. You put more work into this revolution than probably the vast majority of us (especially me!)

Continue to fight the good fight!

[noztnac]

Perhaps we can learn something from this whole ordeal.

Electric Church has posted over 90 posts in the last four days about this one grassroots project. Every post has been negative and he successfully, and almost single-handedly derailed the entire effort. He called long time members of this forum dishonest liars and scam artists.

I suggest that we learn something from this debacle. Are we going to let single members spam negative information about grassroots projects in the future or are we going to limit the number of inflammatory negative posts a member can make about a subject?
:mad::mad::mad:

Thanks Heath for your efforts.

[Marc3579]

Thanks for trying Heath. You tried, it didn't work out. We can learn from this though, what about trying for a UFC fighter to wear a RP shirt before and after their fight in the octagon? I'm not sure of where Zuffa stands on political message. I do know Tito Ortiz wore a shirt saying "Fighting for our Troops..." So, maybe someone can get in touch with Tito's people and run an idea past them? Or, one of the other UFC stars?

[Electric Church]

/////

[Paulitical Correctness]

Not necessarily true

Most boxers wake up after they get knocked out and are in good enough shape for the post fight interview. Their trainer can slip a Ron Paul T-shirt on them without the fighter even knowin it due to his wobbly condition. The post fight interviews last only about 5 minutes so it would probably be a lot cheaper than the $50,000 dollar 12 round tattoo on the back exposure.

[edit/forum guidelines]

[Electric Church]

If the boxer is knocked out, then he never gets to wear that t-shirt.




Not necessarily true

Most boxers wake up after they get knocked out and are in good enough shape for the post fight interview. Their trainer can slip a Ron Paul T-shirt on them without the fighter even knowin it due to his wobbly condition. The post fight interviews last only about 5 minutes so it would probably be a lot cheaper than the $50,000 dollar 12 round tattoo on the back exposure.

[cyrax]

Thanks for the effort man. GL on your next goal.

[reverse]

Heath,

Thanks for all your efforts. It is unfortunate that you had to face so much scrutiny in the process and I hope it does not derail future support.

On that note, F U Electric Church.



Got my refund, thanks!

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Message From Seller:
Hello, I am sad to say that this deal has fallen through. We will not have an ad for this event. This will be RJJ last fight and he doesn't want to be known for endorsing a candidate. So I thank you for your donation and I am refunding your money.


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[leipo]

I just got my money back from Heath. I'd like to applaud his effort for this. It's a shame that it didn't work out. But it was a GREAT idea!

[basejumper]

There is still an opportunity to get some exposure at this fight... I'd be more than happy to go for the Ron Paul team!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=260201998095&Category=16071&_trksid=p3907.m29

http://www.chipin.com/contributors/private/id/06b3c4aaf828b6e1 ;)

[reverse]

There is still an opportunity to get some exposure at this fight... I'd be more than happy to go for the Ron Paul team!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=260201998095&Category=16071&_trksid=p3907.m29

http://www.chipin.com/contributors/private/id/06b3c4aaf828b6e1 ;)

Take me, I'll rock Ron Paul gear from head to toe :D

[empirenine]

Thanks for trying Heath. You tried, it didn't work out. We can learn from this though, what about trying for a UFC fighter to wear a RP shirt before and after their fight in the octagon? I'm not sure of where Zuffa stands on political message. I do know Tito Ortiz wore a shirt saying "Fighting for our Troops..." So, maybe someone can get in touch with Tito's people and run an idea past them? Or, one of the other UFC stars?

Tito only has one fight left on his contract and I don't know if he's going to fight any time soon. He's expressed his interest in not fighting any more but I don't think Dana White would let that happen.

That said, I'm sure there are some other fighters that would consider this type of thing if the UFC allows it. Chris Leeban stands out as a possibility as the sort of "F the government" type.

[Jaykzo]

Perhaps we can learn something from this whole ordeal.

Electric Church has posted over 90 posts in the last four days about this one grassroots project. Every post has been negative and he successfully, and almost single-handedly derailed the entire effort. He called long time members of this forum dishonest liars and scam artists.

I suggest that we learn something from this debacle. Are we going to let single members spam negative information about grassroots projects in the future or are we going to limit the number of inflammatory negative posts a member can make about a subject?
:mad::mad::mad:

Thanks Heath for your efforts.

I think we should be able to vote people off of the island. Give everyone a rating system, you get rated too low and your temporarily banned.

[Eric21ND]

Heath please contact me we might be able to get a UFC fighter to do this for us. They have a live show on Spike TV very soon Jan 23rd and a PPV event Feb 2nd. We could probably do this for a fraction Roy Jones would cost and get more bang for the buck. For $50,000 we could get several fighters on different shows/dates.

Please consider doing this, I think this would get some great attention. http://www.ufc.com/

Eric21ND@hotmail.com

[Sesshomaru]

Awesome!

[BeFranklin]

I'd donate to that too.