Hoping Ron Paul Make a 3rd Party Run and Shuts up Those Who Laughed at Him

[Rusty John]

I have become so disgusted with the Republican party over the past 10 years that I hope to God that RP makes a third party run and takes away enough votes from McCain or Romney so they lose- listening to Guiliani cackle and watching McCain with that smirk in the last debate just solidified that desire.

If they think our ideas are "crazy" or that we shouldn't belong in the party, we'll leave and take our votes with us so theparty can be in shambles for the next decade as it turns into the party of Televeangelists.

KEEP GIVING AND DONATING ANDENCOURAGE A 3RD PARTY RUN- If the powers that be won't let us take our party back, then we will destroy it.

[literatim]

He isn't going to run 3rd party.

[Rusty John]

I'd love to watch McCain on election night lose by 1%- go to hell you crazy war monger

[john_anderson_ii]

He isn't going to run 3rd party.

The GOP would crap themselves if he did though. :D

[Rusty John]

If don't believe for one minute he won't- he has said all along that this is about ideas- what better way to get attention to those ideas than to destroy the establishment.

[hazek]

Waste of time and money if Ron would do this.

[N13]

This assumes that RP will lose the Republican nomination. This is not to be conceded.

[RPSignbomb]

It would only happen if Bloomberg did not enter the race - and it looks like he will.

[Rusty John]

Let's be realistic for a moment, please. Despite hearing for months that the "polls are wrong" the polls seem to be fairly accurate. If he doesn't place in the top 3 in either Michigan, SC or Nevada, where do you anticipate him winning? This is about delegate and after SUper Tuesday either McCain or Romney will have nearly enough- Paul gets great support out West and could win Alaska or place in the top 3 in either Idaho, Washington, Oregon, or Colorado- but by the time we get to those primaries over 1/2 the delegate will be awarded.

DOn't getme wrong- I am still voting for Ron Paul, have my Ron Paul signs up and canvass my neighborhood. But if you think he will win this election, pass me whatever you are smoking. There will be a good probability that come convention time no one will have enough delegates and then it comes down to let's make a deal with the 4 candidates that have enough- the goal at this point is to get the issues out there and get enough delegates to make an impact in this party- if they don't want us, fine- we'll take out votes on a 3rd party run and screw over all of those who thought we and our ideas wereinsignificant.

[Rusty John]

Who is Bloomberg going to take votes away from? Republicans? Hell no, he'll take votes from Obama or Clinton- that makes a RP 3rd party run even better- whoever the Republican nominee is would have to deal with our issues or at least incorperate theminto the campaign to try to take votes away fromPaul

[rollingpig]

he has no intention of doing that

[RPSignbomb]

Who is Bloomberg going to take votes away from? Republicans? Hell no, he'll take votes from Obama or Clinton- that makes a RP 3rd party run even better- whoever the Republican nominee is would have to deal with our issues or at least incorperate theminto the campaign to try to take votes away fromPaul

He'll split the votes between the two. Point is - Bloomberg is rumored to have $1 billion earmarked for a run. ONE BILLION DOLLARS!!! This will be a 3 person race and Dr. Paul will never get heard.

I do agree with your points in the other post - we are not going to win this thing. Polls for the most part are pretty decent and right on, if voter turn out matches historical trends. I will remain a Ron Paul supporter however so his message gets heard and becomes a biggerer part of the debate.

[Rusty John]

Again, he has never said he has "no intention" of doing a 3rd party run- what he has said is that he is pretty sure, in some interviews he has said 99% sure- and always prefaced his remarks with "I don't ever want to rule something out completely..." or words to that effect.

I think he should- I think he would have a huge impact if he did

[EvilEngineer]

Ok... what do people not understand about... 3rd = lose ... period. WE NEED THE PARTY LINE VOTERS! Hence why we need to win the republican nomination. 3rd party will not win, period... There are just not enough intelligent people in this country willing to break ranks in order to create a legitimate 3rd party. The best you can get is 20%... and that is with 10's of millions sunk into advertising, and heart ache of the trouble of getting on ballots.

[Rusty John]

Bloomberg can spend 10 billion dollars and I'd be surprised if he got more than 5% ofthe vote- he is nothng but a Democrat with a big checkbook-what is he going to say int he debates that would be different than Oblinton? "I'm an outsider?" Yeah- nothing like a billionaire sticking up for the little guy- oh, he won't let me drink, smoke, eat a hamburger and continuedthe Guiliani fascist state in NYC. Other than that, he is for the little guy.

[Rusty John]

Ok... what do people not understand about... 3rd = lose ... period. WE NEED THE PARTY LINE VOTERS! Hence why we need to win the republican nomination. 3rd party will not win, period... There are just not enough intelligent people in this country willing to break ranks in order to create a legitimate 3rd party. The best you can get is 20%... and that is with 10's of millions sunk into advertising, and heart ache of the trouble of getting on ballots.
Yes- if you can think of some way of getting 30% of the vote in the next three weeks, let me know how. The point is (Ithought Imade this point in three of the previous posts) that this will either be a situation where Romney or McCain locks up enough delegates in the nextmonth or we go to the convention with ROmney, McCain and Huckabee falling short and it becoming "Let's Make Deal" time between the three of them- where does that leave us? To go away? Or after one of them gets the nomination do we stick it to them and go with a 3rd party run.

If Paul can pull out a top 3 finish in either Michigan, Nevada or South Carolina then he'll have enough traction to breakout- right now my bet is the campaign is betting everything on Nevada. They are ignoring Michigan and hopping over Thompson and Huckabee and McCain and Romney in South Carolina is going to be tough. After that, what do we have? Maine?

The only good news is if Thompson doesn't do well in South Carolina he is out- leaving Guiliani to drop out after he bombs in Florida. That leaves a 4 man race with half the delegates left- Huckabee won't do well out west but he'll still get strong support in the earlier primaries in the south on Super Tuesday so he will have no incentive to drop out. McCain and Romney won't drop out even if broke because each will have about 1/4 of the delegates after Super Tuesday...so unless you are proposing that Ron Paul is going to win everystate after Super Tuesday, I don't see how he gets enough delegates for the nomination, particularly if he doesn't post a top three in Michigan and/or Nevada. Are you recommending that we just go away after that? Because ifyou think he gets zero pres now, he is going to really get zero press if he has 20 finishes of fourth place or worse.

The point is that a 3rd party run is not a bad thing- it is a good thing because it gets the ideas out there.

[Grandson of Liberty]

I have become so disgusted with the Republican party over the past 10 years that I hope to God that RP makes a third party run and takes away enough votes from McCain or Romney so they lose- listening to Guiliani cackle and watching McCain with that smirk in the last debate just solidified that desire.

If they think our ideas are "crazy" or that we shouldn't belong in the party, we'll leave and take our votes with us so theparty can be in shambles for the next decade as it turns into the party of Televeangelists.

KEEP GIVING AND DONATING ANDENCOURAGE A 3RD PARTY RUN- If the powers that be won't let us take our party back, then we will destroy it.

Agreed, though I am not giving up on the Rep. nomination. If he doesn't get it, then yes, I'm all for it. During the last debate, when RP said, "Make fun, buddy," I could just imagine him thinking, "You guys just kissed off ten percent of the vote. Let me know how that works out for you."

[FreedomLover]

I think a third party candidacy is very possible. We have all this campaign infrastructure, dedicated grassroots, campaign offices being opened everyday, large and proven potential donor pool. I don't think RP will just give up and go after the republican primaries, leaving us all hanging. I think he can run third party and win.

And if Mike runs, that will split the votes up even more in our favor. Enough of the two party monopoly, we need some real serious third party candidacies.

[eggnogaddict]

waste of money? you guys are retarded. he has over $27 million in the bank and with the money bomb coming up, he'll be fine.

he can definitely make a 3rd party run. he's saying he won't because, well, that's smart. think about it: If he says he'll run 3rd party, people will nominate someone else because he'll just run anyway. he loses support if he says he'll pursue a 3rd party candidacy.

[Rusty John]

Agreed, though I am not giving up on the Rep. nomination. If he doesn't get it, then yes, I'm all for it. During the last debate, when RP said, "Make fun, buddy," I could just imagine him thinking, "You guys just kissed off ten percent of the vote. Let me know how that works out for you."
Lol...I was thinking the same thing- It reminded me of Al Pacino pissing off Benny Blanco fromthe Bronx in Carlito's Way- lol- you just knew ol' Benny from the Bronx would be back.

If he does a 3rd party run can we make up signs that says , "Make Fun, Buddy" and follow Romney around? I think Paul would do quite well, especially if Hitlary gets the nom on the dems side- Paul would be the only candidate who would bring the troops home.

[Grandson of Liberty]

If he does a 3rd party run can we make up signs that says , "Make Fun, Buddy" and follow Romney around?

Friggin' fantastic idea! :D

[RPSignbomb]

Bloomberg can spend 10 billion dollars and I'd be surprised if he got more than 5% ofthe vote- he is nothng but a Democrat with a big checkbook-what is he going to say int he debates that would be different than Oblinton? "I'm an outsider?" Yeah- nothing like a billionaire sticking up for the little guy- oh, he won't let me drink, smoke, eat a hamburger and continuedthe Guiliani fascist state in NYC. Other than that, he is for the little guy.

You're clueless - the negatives on the front runners are so high people would flock to him. Bloomberg is well respected in the business world and $1 billion with a solid VP would make him very strong.

[Rusty John]

You're clueless - the negatives on the front runners are so high people would flock to him. Bloomberg is well respected in the business world and $1 billion with a solid VP would make him very strong.
Lol- I'm glad that 22 years of formal education has allowed me to be clueless- I will concede that if McCain andHillary are the noms that Bloomberg will get a greater percentage of the vote, but Ross Perothe is not- Ross had the advantage of a recession, no record to run on and a pissed off right wing. For Bloomberg, no one on the right/center is going to vote for him- he has no conservative credentials and,unlike Perot, he has 7 years of a mayoral record to view- all of which is socialist.

[Rusty John]

Lol- I'm glad that 22 years of formal education has allowed me to be clueless- I will concede that if McCain andHillary are the noms that Bloomberg will get a greater percentage of the vote, but Ross Perothe is not- Ross had the advantage of a recession, no record to run on and a pissed off right wing. For Bloomberg, no one on the right/center is going to vote for him- he has no conservative credentials and,unlike Perot, he has 7 years of a mayoral record to view- all of which is socialist.
When I say "greater percentage of the vote" i don't mean a greater percentage than McCain or Clinton- I mean a greater percentage than he would get if Obama was the nominee.

[mrabon5211]

I would definately support a 3rd party run, both with my vote and with my money. I am tired of seeing the party that I once beleived in abandon the values that I hold dear to me. I long for Ron Paul to get vindication against all the wise guys........everytime they joke or laugh at him.....I take it as a joke or a laugh at me. Do they really think his support is so insignificant that they can afford to piss this many people off!? How dare they call themselves republicans! If they were true republicans they would see the value and truth in Ron Paul's message.

The party has abandoned me!!! I see no need to shy away from a 3rd party run just because it would cost them the election....its their fault!!!!!!!!!

[jacmicwag]

Well, since Fox has already excluded him from one debate (without real justification) and probably will do the same in upcoming contests, I'd say Paul has moral justification for a third party run if he wants to go keep the revolution alive. One thing for sure, the day he makes this announcement, millions will flow into the coffers since it will renew all of our hopes. And Paul can finally take off the gloves and start pummeling the anointed candidates for their neocon positions. McCain vs. Hillary would be perfect for us since this means there is no conservative in the race except Paul.

[dante]

Bloomberg Paul ticket?

Bloomberg gets the press and media and bankrolls it.
Paul provides the grassroots and initial supporter base in return for a gold standard and a humble foreign policy

[Truth Warrior]

If Ron does that the MSM AND the GOP would just snicker and say, "See, we told you so. He's NOT a REAL Republican. We knew it all along. ( He still can't win. )"

[cayton]

I am 100% for a 3rd party run, but the democratic race is the one to watch. If Hillary wins, go for it. If obama wins, 3rd party success in my opinion will be much harder to obtain.

I'd really like to see this race:
Hillary
Paul
Bloomberg
Any republican

[itsnobody]

If McCain is the nominee I'll vote for him over Hillary

Democrats and big government disgusts me at least McCain would cut spending

The war in Iraq is going to end soon regardless of who wins

[RonPaulVolunteer]

We need to work our asses off to get him the nomination. This topic just keeps coming up several times a day. If you've taken time to make a thread about this, it's time not spent canvassing trying to get him the nomination. The nomination is the easiest way to the White House.

If he does not win the nomination, it will be because people were too occupied creating third party run threads rather than getting the word out about Ron Paul.

If he runs 3rd party, it's highly unlikely he'll win the general election, and we will not be able to return to congress.

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[RevolutionSD]

It's VERY IMPORTANT that we get RP as many votes as possible in the GOP race. A few 3rds, 2nds and winning a state or two will have the elites running very scared. They will have to either kiss our ass or we will take ALL these votes away from the GOP.

At the very least it will make for one helluva convention in Minneapolis.

[JenaS62]

I hope he makes a 3rd party run too. Rub the GOP's noses in their own shit.

[JMann]

I don't want him to get involved with a 3rd party and get caught up in the politics of that crap. He could make an Independent run and I would support that.

[Karsten]

It would only happen if Bloomberg did not enter the race - and it looks like he will.

What would be bad about this? It would help split up the pro-government vote.

[Rusty John]

Yes, if Ron Paul loses it will be because I was at work and took ten minutes to post a thread about a third party run to emphasize how the Congressman and supporters can punish the GOP establishment for ignoring and mocking us. Silly me- I should have walked out in the blustering rain driven by 35 mile per hour winds to canvass the abandoned downtown area. Better yet, I should have gone to the top of my office building, poured kerosene all over myself and lit myself on fire while screaming "Ron Paul" and "Freedom" while I plummeted 20 stories.

Let's get real, guys, just because all of us don't drink the Kool-Aid that the "polls are lying", that the "vote is rigged" or that the only way I can support this campaign is to abandon job, life and family to canvass doesn't mean we aren't supports and won't continue to support.

[Freemason]

I am working my ass off to him the GOP nomination but I would also work my ass off to win him a 3rd party run.

[Rusty John]

I am working my ass off to him the GOP nomination but I would also work my ass off to win him a 3rd party run.
Amen, Brother.

[Tn...Andy]

Ron Paul is the only republican that can win in November......if he doesn't get the nomination, the next president will be Hillary, as was determined some years back by the folks that actually run things.

[Rusty John]

Yes, but if we have 4 years of President Hillary the Republicans will grow their nuts back and get back the House and Senate and our values will be in a much better position come 2012- hey, if Ron Paul gets the nomination (or does a third party run) how about Dick Armey for VP? My favorite political quote of all time was when Armey was asked what he would do if he were in President CLinton's shoes during the impeachment, "If I were in the President's place I wouldn't have a chance to resign...I'd be lying in a pool of my own blood and the last thing I'd hear is Mrs. Armey saying, 'How do I reload this damn thing.'"

[austin356]

Political strategists are saying bloomberg makes a 3rd party Paul run more likely.

Sorry no proof, just what I am hearing.

[Phantom]

Hoping Ron Paul Make a 3rd Party Run and Shuts up Those Who Laughed at Him

He has that option available to him but what good would it do?

Even though I would still support him if he ran as a third party candidate he would still have to face the phony polling, stacked "debate" questions, debate exclusion, debate marginalization, false media, no media, ridicule by other candidates and questioners so he is better off where he is for now.

The odds are stacked against us and we need to battle hard to win this. Whatever it takes.

This will give you something to think about.

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[RPSignbomb]

Political strategists are saying bloomberg makes a 3rd party Paul run more likely.

Sorry no proof, just what I am hearing.

Can I see a link of what you are "hearing"

[SteveB-NY]

If it were a true third-party run as opposed to merely an independent Presidential race the obvious choice would be the Liberterian Party. The problem is that the LP convention is scheduled for late May. While the primaries will be over the Republican nomination could potentially still be undecided.
RP would have to, at nearly the eleventh hour jump into the LP fray with all of the attendant silliness that can sometimes lead to.
The positives would be ballot access and a state organization [of sorts] in place. For the LP the advantage is that they get the benefit of all of the RP buzz that has been building.
The negatives are that the LP organization is, and I say this as a long time member of the party although a registered Republican, third-tier at best.
Personaly I would love to see this happen. Realistically I don't see the GOP nomination happening. I do see some significant imput into the platform but not the nomination. A true third-party run would not win the Presidency but would ensure a significant role in the debate and and could [let us pray] bring some wins down ballot which builds the movement.

[henrykgrecki]

Whatever it takes.



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