Wesley Snipes = Tax Dissent?

[Meekus]

Take a look: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0114082snipes1.html

Very interesting. He hasn't paid taxes because he doesn't believe the IRS has the authority to collect taxes.

So is he being a true patriot because he is standing up for what he believes to be right? I am eagerly watching this to see how it unfolds...

[diesirae]

Take a look: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0114082snipes1.html

Very interesting. He hasn't paid taxes because he doesn't believe the IRS has the authority to collect taxes.

So is he being a true patriot because he is standing up for what he believes to be right? I am eagerly watching this to see how it unfolds...

Such arguments have been repeatedly declared as invalid by the courts.

[Malakai0]

Doesn't make them any less true. Countless people have brought this up, and even taken this to court and had juries rule on it.

There is no actual law stating Americans are required to pay a tax on income. Furthermore no one has ever been able to prove that the income tax amendment was ever properly ratified. Even beyond that, many years ago the supreme court ruled that the amendment gave the federal government no new powers of taxation.

Many IRS agents have quit over what they saw and found out working there.

Check out Aaron Russo's Freedom to Fascism, his documentary interviews all kinds of people. He was also a friend of Ron Paul and RP is in that documentary.
Ron Paul has also repeatedly publicly defended people practicing civil disobedience like tax evasion, as long as they know they will have to face the punishment the system gives them.

[youngbuck]

Read this book by Otto Skinner: The Biggest Tax "Loophole" of All. That book will tell you exactly what you need to know about the so-called "income tax."

[Meekus]

I've heard the argument that there is no actual law about paying an income tax. But what I don't understand, is that if this were the case, then how do they nail people on taxes? I believe it was Al Capone that they finally got on tax evasion? Or all the other tax cases that made the public eye?

This has always baffled me I must admit. In Freedom to Fascism, a number of ex IRS Agents have gone to not filing. How do they get away with this legally.. .and not people like Al Capone? (I am not equating ex IRS Agents with Capone mind you lol.. just an example of someone who I can think of that lost a case)

[davver]

The courts can enforce rulings that are illegal. I think someone else posted the quote of a tax judge stating in effect, "I will not allow the law in my courtroom."

Ron Paul has repeatedly said that since they have the guns, they can enforce whatever law they want.

[diesirae]

Doesn't make them any less true. Countless people have brought this up, and even taken this to court and had juries rule on it.

There is no actual law stating Americans are required to pay a tax on income. Furthermore no one has ever been able to prove that the income tax amendment was ever properly ratified. Even beyond that, many years ago the supreme court ruled that the amendment gave the federal government no new powers of taxation.

Many IRS agents have quit over what they saw and found out working there.

Check out Aaron Russo's Freedom to Fascism, his documentary interviews all kinds of people. He was also a friend of Ron Paul and RP is in that documentary.
Ron Paul has also repeatedly publicly defended people practicing civil disobedience like tax evasion, as long as they know they will have to face the punishment the system gives them.

What? I just said the following:

"Courts have found repeatedly that the argument that individuals do not have to legally pay income tax is invalid".

You replied by saying:

"That doesn't make the arguments that they have no legal obligation to pay income taxes invalid".

Which is exactly the opposite of what I just said; courts have found that these arguments are not valid and carry no legal weight. When it comes to legal matters, courts have the final say -- if you want to change the laws, talk to Congress.

What you are arguing is equivalent to me coming into court and saying "The 1st Amendment affords me the right kill this man" and the court saying "No" and convicting me. This is exactly the same thing.

[jaybone]

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[weatherbill]

there are many tax cases that you don't hear about where the citizen of the state wins over the IRS...... google "lloyd long tennessee" or "we the people" ....you can come to alot of stuff.

[diesirae]

there are many tax cases that you don't hear about where the citizen of the state wins over the IRS...... google "lloyd long tennessee" or "we the people" ....you can come to alot of stuff.

Could you link me to any of them?

[slantedview]

Such arguments have been repeatedly declared as invalid by the courts.

the federal income tax has been defeated in court, just not too often.

[diesirae]

the federal income tax has been defeated in court, just not too often.

Again, I'd like to see an actual court docket of this.

[slantedview]

Again, I'd like to see an actual court docket of this.
i don't know docket numbers, just that it's occured. i've not heard the evidence in "America: Freedom to Fascism" disputed one bit. In fact, the former IRS commissioner looked like a fool in the documentary trying to answer basic questions about the topic.

anyways, watch the film if you want.

[diesirae]

i don't know docket numbers, just that it's occured. i've not heard the evidence in "America: Freedom to Fascism" disputed one bit. In fact, the former IRS commissioner looked like a fool in the documentary trying to answer basic questions about the topic.

anyways, watch the film if you want.

No, I have, but I don't really trust any summary of court documents that I can't read. It's just a habit from years of being subjected to incredibly poor legal journalism in the MSM.

[slantedview]

No, I have, but I don't really trust any summary of court documents that I can't read. It's just a habit from years of being subjected to incredibly poor legal journalism in the MSM.

the MSM is worthless for just about anything, let alone legal journalism :)