GOP Top Brass Discuss Strategies; What to Do About Paul and Returning to Core Values

[hummtide]

WHat meeting? There was none. Get your heads out of the Ron Paul is better than anyone else clouds

[VoluntaryMan]

WHat meeting? There was none. Get your heads out of the Ron Paul is better than anyone else clouds

You have a better candidate for President? Please, share.

[hummtide]

You have a better candidate for President? Please, share.


Having a candidate to vote for is one thing, making up stuff that is untrue in every way is another thing.. keep feeding those "Ron Paul supporters are loons theory!"

[VoluntaryMan]

Having a candidate to vote for is one thing, making up stuff that is untrue in every way is another thing.. keep feeding those "Ron Paul supporters are loons theory!"

Not sure what you mean.

[susano]

It's no 'accident' that the party has drifted from its former core values. It was by design and implemented by very powerful, long-term thinking people. We must realize this in order to isolate the problem makers and root them out.

And you know who these "long term thinking people" are? They are actually remnants of the communist party. They are the Bolshevik wing that split with Stalin. When they say they are anti communist, they are are anti Stalinism. They are still globalists and collectivists.

[michaelwise]

In light of the current mainstream media blackout of Ron Paul, I'm of a mind that we should just band together, and pledge to put the final nail in the coffin of the GOP. Vow to vote for none of the above.

What we Ron Paul Republicans need is a symbol of our solidarity. How about a special ring. Something we could use to identify our brothers when we pass each other in the streets. Perhaps a ring with the r3volution logo on it?

[RSLudlum]

WHat meeting? There was none. Get your heads out of the Ron Paul is better than anyone else clouds

referring to my post? :confused:
http://www.charlestongop.org/Calendar/0801.htm

[fletcher]

In light of the current mainstream media blackout of Ron Paul, I'm of a mind that we should just band together, and pledge to put the final nail in the coffin of the GOP. Vow to vote for none of the above.

What we Ron Paul Republicans need is a symbol of our solidarity. How about a special ring. Something we could use to identify our brothers when we pass each other in the streets. Perhaps a ring with the r3volution logo on it?

None of the above? I'll be voting for Ron Paul no matter what. I hope everyone else does too. That is the only way to send the message.

[exer51]

I agree. I really think it's best if everyone would write to their state GOP chair, in firm and polite manner, and let them know that we are genuine conservatives, who want a genuine conservative candidate, and Ron Paul is the only who fits that description. They have to understand that they get ALL of our votes with Ron Paul, and none without.

Ron Paul is the only uniter of the party, whether they like it or not. No Republican in his or her right mind would vote for the Socialists rather than Ron Paul, but RP supporters, Indis and some Dems will NEVER vote for RINOs & neoCONs.

I did just that! I also CCed it to some of the other top people in the state. I wonder if I'll get a response! I'd love to hear what they have to say about me informing them their party is toast without RP... Keep in mind I used much better phrasing than that. I know the thought must have already crossed their mind, if it hasn't then they really are out of the loop.

[ronpaulblogsdotcom]

Just frigging give him a fair shot and do the normal backroom things to suggest to the media to not treat him like a nutcase.

Let him win the nomination and have a shot at beating the Democrats. Because frankly without him I doubt there is anyone else in the GOP we (or most moderate people) could get behind.

This is going to be a tough race for the GOP with automatic votes for Clinton or Obama. Very tough.

[NocturnalC]

Having a candidate to vote for is one thing, making up stuff that is untrue in every way is another thing

Sounds exactly like what the MSM is all about. Especially with Paul.

[susano]

In light of the current mainstream media blackout of Ron Paul, I'm of a mind that we should just band together, and pledge to put the final nail in the coffin of the GOP. Vow to vote for none of the above.

What we Ron Paul Republicans need is a symbol of our solidarity. How about a special ring. Something we could use to identify our brothers when we pass each other in the streets. Perhaps a ring with the r3volution logo on it?


Yeah!

And, Voluntary Man, I, too, like the American Party. That said, I would like to see candidates run on name only. That's one for a ballot initiative.

[michaelwise]

None of the above? I'll be voting for Ron Paul no matter what. I hope everyone else does too. That is the only way to send the message.I meant that to mean, just write in the name, Ron Paul, as I will be doing.

[susano]

bumping a great thread

[CountryB4Party]

Hey, if we know they are scared, why not use this?!?!

We need a website pledging to switch to the libertarian party with hundreds of thousands of pledges if he doesn't get the GOP nomination. Sort of a... Nomination or else kind of thing...

With all due respect, this conservative has no, none, nada, zip, zilch interest in joining the Libertarian party.

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[stewie3128]

With all due respect, this conservative has no, none, nada, zip, zilch interest in joining the Libertarian party.

How come?

[CountryB4Party]

How come?

Stewie, there are a couple of reasons:

1. I no longer buy into the political party game.

2. I do not completely agree with the platform, specifically open borders.

3. My experience with libertarians through RP's campaign has not been positive, and I am being exceptionally generous with my description.

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[CountryB4Party]

Stewie, there are a couple of reasons:

1. I no longer buy into the political party game.

2. I do not completely agree with the platform, specifically open borders.

3. My experience with libertarians through RP's campaign has not been positive, and I am being exceptionally generous with my description.

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LOL...my reasons ended up being several rather than a "couple".

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[exer51]

Stewie, there are a couple of reasons:

1. I no longer buy into the political party game.

2. I do not completely agree with the platform, specifically open borders.

3. My experience with libertarians through RP's campaign has not been positive, and I am being exceptionally generous with my description.

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You just met the wrong ones! I'd call myself a Libertarian, but I'm REASONABLE. Some of them take it so far as to go out of their way to come up with complex schemes to replace government functions that end up being more burdensome than just keeping it the way it is. I draw my line with things that are clearly better left to the free market.

The borders thing wouldn't be as much of an issue if we had a reasonable economy either... My only gripe with immigration is that it should be LEGAL and they should learn ENGLISH.

[Highstreet]

The only concession I want from the GOP is to throw some support behind our man. That is the only way I will judge them as genuine in any sort of return to core values. What they don't realize is that their new wave of potential voters (us) is not going to be placated by smarmy doublespeak. We aren't idiots, and we aren't going to be led around. They are going to have to be genuine or we will see it for the hollow promise that it is. I don't know if being honest is something they are going to be able to bring themselves to do. :o

Would be nice to know we're stirring the pot up there though :cool:

Exactly.

And this is how many feel. Either we are successful or the fight begins at the local level again. One way or another we are taking back our country.

[CountryB4Party]

You just met the wrong ones! I'd call myself a Libertarian, but I'm REASONABLE. Some of them take it so far as to go out of their way to come up with complex schemes to replace government functions that end up being more burdensome than just keeping it the way it is. I draw my line with things that are clearly better left to the free market.

The borders thing wouldn't be as much of an issue if we had a reasonable economy either... My only gripe with immigration is that it should be LEGAL and they should learn ENGLISH.

Actually, I was, unfortunately, referring to the attitude and demeanor of many Libertarians - an attitude with which I prefer not to associate.

You are correct regarding immigration; however, I also believe in immigrants paying into our system for an appropriate length of time before receiving benefits, including school. In the UK, the time frame is five years.

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[exer51]

Actually, I was, unfortunately, referring to the attitude and demeanor of many Libertarians - an attitude with which I prefer not to associate.

You are correct regarding immigration; however, I also believe in immigrants paying into our system for an appropriate length of time before receiving benefits, including school. In the UK, the time frame is five years.

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Well everyone is their own person, so I still say you just caught a bad patch of them.

I can definitely get behind not letting them get benefits for awhile. School... I dunno. Can't not let their kids go to school IMO. If they're living in a house(owned or rented) their property tax is directly paying for a chunk of that schooling anyway. Welfare and such I definitely agree though, not that we should have any welfare anyway. :)

[Spirit of '76]

Stewie, there are a couple of reasons:

1. I no longer buy into the political party game.

2. I do not completely agree with the platform, specifically open borders.

3. My experience with libertarians through RP's campaign has not been positive, and I am being exceptionally generous with my description.

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I hear ya.

Another problem is that the Libertarian Party is infected with the culture of loserdom. By that, I mean that they have such a long history of losing elections that they have come to expect to lose, and even when they have a chance to win they sabotage themselves and prevent it from ever happening.

Look at the way the "Libertarians" have torn each other apart over Ron Paul.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Wow a lot of speculation here on this thread. I also love the whole "If RP isn't the nominee I won't vote!" Let me ask this question, what exactly do you think not voting is going to do? Not voting is the same as watching some guy next door murder his wife and let him get away with it.

No, it's not even close. On some level, I may have a moral obligation to help the person being murdered. I have no moral obligation whatsoever to feign suport for a political candidate.




Yup. Expect to hear ALL the "top tier" :rolleyes: espousing tax cuts and spending restraint. Too bad they've been SAYING that for years. Talk is cheap ya'll.

Ron Paul is the only money bet :D



Agree. Huck's been on it for the last several weeks. Rudy's pretending to be a tax cutter lately. The GOP can say whatever they like. Until they allow RP to fairly participate in the conversation, they're just flapping their lips.

[FreeTraveler]

Yes this is true and sparks a question: When did Kusinich announce his run for president and do you think Paul and Kucinich discussed their intentions before actually announcing, pure coincedence or ploy for a movement on both sides?

GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!!! KUCHINICH IS NOT FOR LIBERTY!!! HE WILL TAKE YOUR GUNS AND MONEY! HE IS A SOCIALIST!!!

[Dary]

Should Ron not get the nomination, then for the first time in my life, I will vote FOR the GREATER of the two evils.

[speciallyblend]

if ron paul doesnt get the nomination,i will not vote for either evil,ill write RON PAUL IN;)

[AlexMerced]

I'll write Ron Paul in as well

[xd9fan]

I personally have said that at this point I can't tell the differnce between the Republicans or the Democrats, other than Ron of coarse. But if the GOP are not going to back Ron, then I guess one way to say F-You to the GOP is to not vote at all and let the Democrats win.

And, that is what they are worried about.....

BINGO

The GOP just wants to stay in power......principle is not on their minds.......(remember Trett Lotts comments about talkradio and americians slaming them on their vote on amnesty?........this is NOT your Fathers GOP)

[NoMoreApathy]

You just met the wrong ones! I'd call myself a Libertarian, but I'm REASONABLE. Some of them take it so far as to go out of their way to come up with complex schemes to replace government functions that end up being more burdensome than just keeping it the way it is. I draw my line with things that are clearly better left to the free market.

The borders thing wouldn't be as much of an issue if we had a reasonable economy either... My only gripe with immigration is that it should be LEGAL and they should learn ENGLISH.

+ 758907550570578057800786578060

[Ernest]

Should Ron not get the nomination, then for the first time in my life, I will vote FOR the GREATER of the two evils.

I hear ya Dary! I will either write in RP or vote for the worst candidate.

[dawnbt]

if ron paul doesnt get the nomination,i will not vote for either evil,ill write RON PAUL IN;)

+1

[ButchHowdy]

My vote is NON-transferable!

[davidkachel]

I won't vote if Ron is not in the race, and most of the RP supporters I know feel the same way. If Ron does not get the republican nomination, they are handing a victory to the democrats.

Think about what you said: if you don't vote, you have cast a vote for the Republican nominee! The bullet that is never fired is never felt.

Write in Ron Paul or vote for ANYONE BUT the Republican nominee if it is not RP.

[susano]

bump

[michaelwise]

Rush Limbaugh is now talking about "applying the core principles of conservatism" with Newt Gingrich right now. They are monitoring the conversation on this thread. We are being heard!

[michaelwise]

I am shocked that media pundits are reading this thread.

[Ethek]

Rush Limbaugh is now talking about "applying the core principles of conservatism" with Newt Gingrich right now. They are monitoring the conversation on this thread. We are being heard!


what are you getting at? what lead to that leap of logic?

[B of R guy]

The basic problem is for our message to truly succeed Republican politicians have to abstain from lots of power. Ultimately that is what small government conervatism/libertarianism is. I am not sure they will ever do that. Newt sandbagged me on the contract with America and I still have not forgiven him.

I hope he is reading this.

[michaelwise]

Here is a write in Ron Paul site.
http://www.writeinronpaul.com/home

[billjarrett]

Here is a write in Ron Paul site.
http://www.writeinronpaul.com/home

Sorry, might be for a good cause, but that site just made my eyes bleed.

[Primbs]

Rush did say there is one candidate who upholds conservatism. He wouldn't mention Ron Paul by name when talking to Newt.

[michaelwise]

I would like to stick this thread up the GOP's ass.

[Marc3579]

Ya know if the top GOP Brass is reviewing this thread or other party operatives are monitoring this thread... Comments like the last will not go over to well for us.

[ihsv]

Wow a lot of speculation here on this thread. I also love the whole "If RP isn't the nominee I won't vote!" Let me ask this question, what exactly do you think not voting is going to do? Not voting is the same as watching some guy next door murder his wife and let him get away with it. If you don't vote, you can't whine about the loss of civil rights. Because, you didn't vote to get someone in there that might stop the loss of civil rights. I'd also, love to your reasons for not voting and how you justify it. :>

For me, morally, I can only vote for Ron Paul. I can't vote for any of the Turkeys running as republicans because of the war issue. I cannot violate my conscience like that. The dems are a conscience issue for me because of the Abortion issue, even with someone like Kucinich.

I will either write in RP or not vote at all. That's like asking me to vote to murder someone either by blowing them up or aborting them. I can't stop the carnage by myself, but I can abstain from facilitating it. At least by not voting (or voting RP via write in) I am sending a message of disapproval. I know, one lousy vote won't make a difference one way or another. But I will not be a party to it.

[Marc3579]

ishv a moral obligation to not vote? I'm all for writing Ron Paul in, it's what I will do if I have to in the end. I'm not saying one vote won't count one way or another. What I'm saying is that, by not voting you are still accepting status-quo.

[ihsv]

ishv a moral obligation to not vote? I'm all for writing Ron Paul in, it's what I will do if I have to in the end. I'm not saying one vote won't count one way or another. What I'm saying is that, by not voting you are still accepting status-quo.

By voting in favor of anyone (Rep or Dem) but RP I am endorsing the status quo. I may not be able to stop it, but I will not help it. I will write RP in (if I have to).

[michaelwise]

Here's some interesting reading for the Paulhive lurkers. This thread is truth.

[EvilNight]

I don't trust the Republican party. They've become an unmitigated disaster.

I do trust Ron Paul.

The only option I will accept is a full endorsement of Ron Paul and his policies. If (and only if) the Republicans back Paul, I'll vote for them. Otherwise it's Democrats and Libertarians for me. I have no interest in voting for any of the snakes they are currently toying with for nominees.

[wgadget]

Yesterday I got a survey (full of biased questions) from the RNC.

Today I sent it back empty except for the Ron Paul slimjim.

Postage paid.

[John P Slevin]

I was speaking to party insiders this weekend and was told that discussions reaching as high as Mike Duncan, Chairman of the Republican National Committee, were taking place on what to do about Ron Paul. I was told that the movement has had a profound affect on the party and is reshaping the current platform. Concessions must be made to the Ron Paul Republicans if the party is to thrive. They said they know the party will lose in the general election to the Democrats without Ron Paul supporters and irreparable damage to the party could last for decades.

To be brandished as losers does not sit well with the top brass in the party, and an incredible amount of resources are being wasted. They said that a return to core Republican values could go a long way in returning credibility to the party. I didn't ask what they meant by this but I know what they were thinking. I think they are beginning to see the writing on the wall, and I hope this is the beginning of a breakthrough for our party.

More driveling nonsense. What powerful Republican movers and shakers would discuss this with you so that you could do the responsible thing and post their strategies on a public board...anonymously no less.

What friggin nonsense.

[CriticalThinker]

I hope this is true... it sure seems like Huckabee is on board :rolleyes:

Give me a break. He is a LIAR - A PROFESSIONAL LIAR.

Please stop pandering to the enemy - go to his website - will ya?

[Ron2Win]

I don't trust the Republican party. They've become an unmitigated disaster.

I do trust Ron Paul.

The only option I will accept is a full endorsement of Ron Paul and his policies. If (and only if) the Republicans back Paul, I'll vote for them. Otherwise it's Democrats and Libertarians for me. I have no interest in voting for any of the snakes they are currently toying with for nominees.
I don't trust them either lately. Terrorism is now the excuse for everything.

Michael Chertoff on the ID card:
Only 3 types of people won't like the National ID card, they are, terrorists, illegal immigrants and convicted felons. OK, except that Homeland Security will not do anything about illegals, convicted felons have paid their dues and terrorists are not supposed to be here anyways. So they will stick it to the regular folk.

Another one:
After ONE F15 crashes in MO they want to replace half of the fleet with F22's. I mean, people are losing everything, houses, jobs etc etc and the Air Force wants to buy 183 planes at 150mil a pop plane from Lockheed?

And lastly:
Bush goes into the Middle east, sells the Arabs a 20B defense contract, the enemies of Israel, and when he asks for an increase in Oil production they just say NO. Pathetic.

[Thomas Paine]

I was speaking to party insiders this weekend and was told that discussions reaching as high as Mike Duncan, Chairman of the Republican National Committee, were taking place on what to do about Ron Paul. I was told that the movement has had a profound affect on the party and is reshaping the current platform. Concessions must be made to the Ron Paul Republicans if the party is to thrive. They said they know the party will lose in the general election to the Democrats without Ron Paul supporters and irreparable damage to the party could last for decades.

To be brandished as losers does not sit well with the top brass in the party, and an incredible amount of resources are being wasted. They said that a return to core Republican values could go a long way in returning credibility to the party. I didn't ask what they meant by this but I know what they were thinking. I think they are beginning to see the writing on the wall, and I hope this is the beginning of a breakthrough for our party.

The problem with today's GOP leadership is that they traded away our party's principles for power and in the end the party will end up with neither. The poster boy for betraying conservative principles is President George Bush II. Under the Bush presidency, the national debt more than doubled to $9 Trillion in the last seven (7) years, federal entitlements expanded (ie. Medicare Prescription), unfunded state mandates increased (ie. No Child Left Behind Act), the size of federal government increased, and federal spending increased, etc. I never thought I would live to see a Republican President who has performed even worse than Jimmy Carter.

Unfortunately, our so-called Republicans in Congress (excepting Ron Paul and a very few others), led by that RINO in Chief, Tom Delay, aided and abetted President Bush in betraying every single conservative principle the GOP once stood for and promoted. There is no question that the Republicrats in Congress blew it, just f-ing blew it, during the ten years they had control of Congress. If there is nothing that pisses me off the most is the fact that these members of Congress come back to their districts on weekends and holidays and brag about how conservative they are only to return to DC and spend money like a bunch of drunken sailors on shore leave in a New Orleans whorehouse (ie. $230 Million bridge to nowhere).

The only way the GOP will return to its core values is if the current leadership resigns en masse and turns the reins over to a new generation of leaders who will restore the GOP to the conservative principles of Robert Taft, Barry Goldwater, and Ronald Reagan. As Oliver Cromwell once told an incompetent Parliament:

"You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"

[enjerth]

They aren't going to win over very many Ron Paul supporters by using his talking points.

They've been hard at work to alienate his supporters from the Republican party. Ron Paul is not to blame, but the GOP itself. I've been marginalized, ignored and told I don't matter for 4 months and it only gets worse. I'm not a friend of the GOP any more, and it's their fault for treating me like I'm some kind of filthy liberal or cancerous growth.

After this election, if it isn't Ron Paul, I'm leaving the GOP. I'd rather see them fractured and broken, with a Democrat in the White House, than let them lead me down this ugly path.

A live toad will let you boil it if you turn up the heat slowly enough. I'm not that stupid.

[enjerth]

I don't think we're just 10%. How many people say they won't vote for them even if they like him because he's unelectable?

The people who won't vote for Ron Paul because they think he's unelectable will vote for whoever the nominee is, regardless of his record, character or platform. Even if the Republican nominee was Saddam's ghost, they'd vote for him. Anything to keep the party going.

We're the party crashers.

[ronpaul4pres]

To add some legitimacy to the original post, here's an article on Buchanan's website:

‘Old Right’ Intellectual Challenges NeoConservatives (http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=920)

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

They've been hard at work to alienate his supporters from the Republican party. Ron Paul is not to blame, but the GOP itself. I've been marginalized, ignored and told I don't matter for 4 months and it only gets worse. I'm not a friend of the GOP any more, and it's their fault for treating me like I'm some kind of filthy liberal or cancerous growth.

After this election, if it isn't Ron Paul, I'm leaving the GOP. I'd rather see them fractured and broken, with a Democrat in the White House, than let them lead me down this ugly path.

Right on. And don't worry: after this, we will found our own party. There is no going back for most of us. Once you have seen the light, you cannot go back to the old lies.

[MN Patriot]

If Ron Paul supporters are so gullible they believe a billionaire will save the campaign (why did he wait so long? he should have been doing this months ago), then they will believe that the GOP wants to return to core values.

I wouldn't doubt the neo-cons are worried about Ron Paul running as a third party candidate, taking away votes from Republicans. But returning to core values? They'll just keep doing what Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, and the other candidates do, talk about less government, freedom, etc. But then do the opposite. They'll make us think they have regained their senses, and try to fool us again.

Ron needs to run as a third party candidate, such as the Libertarian Party. the message is more important than letting the Republican Party ruin the country.

[cayton]

By voting in favor of anyone (Rep or Dem) but RP I am endorsing the status quo. I may not be able to stop it, but I will not help it. I will write RP in (if I have to).


This is exactly how I feel. I can not do everything but I can do something. I am not responsible for it if I cast my vote in direct opposition to it.

These guys are going to run us into the ground and/or blow up the world, but at least the blood is not now nor will ever be on my hands.

[michaelwise]

More driveling nonsense. What powerful Republican movers and shakers would discuss this with you so that you could do the responsible thing and post their strategies on a public board...anonymously no less.

What friggin nonsense.Because I'm a life long party member for 30 years now, and they know I don't put up with bullshit.

[Malum Prohibitum]

Well we need liberty minded folks in the Democratic party too :)

LOLz... no doubt, wouldnt it be refreshing if the drug war, interventionist foreign policies, the crushing of civil liberties, corporate welfare, the income tax and etc.. were done away with and all the dems and republicans had to argue about was monetary policy, environmental regulations, and abortion?

sweet bliss.

[John P Slevin]

Because I'm a life long party member for 30 years now, and they know I don't put up with bullshit.

Well excuuuuuse me...

What party? Couldn't be the Republican Party, cause that one is filled with so much bullshit, and since you don't put up with same...

[michaelwise]

Well excuuuuuse me...

What party? Couldn't be the Republican Party, cause that one is filled with so much bullshit, and since you don't put up with same...
They don't like what's going on either, many of them. Just the thought of Hillary and Pelosi, 1st and 3rd in line ruining our country is quite repulsive to them. Well, they get what they deserve.

[PaultheSaint]

Remember folks, even should Ron Paul lose this race but return to Congress, he could be the most powerful Congressman on the Hill if we keep our support behind him. Never forget this. Never give up. This is just the beginning.

Not to mention that every day we keep seeing folks running in their respected States that have the same platform as RP. There most certainly is a movement going on in the Republician party. Lets make sure we support all these guys that sahre RP's values.

[michaelwise]

Originally Posted by WilliamC

Remember folks, even should Ron Paul lose this race but return to Congress, he could be the most powerful Congressman on the Hill if we keep our support behind him. Never forget this. Never give up. This is just the beginning.



Not to mention that every day we keep seeing folks running in their respected States that have the same platform as RP. There most certainly is a movement going on in the Republician party. Lets make sure we support all these guys that sahre RP's values.

That gives me an idea. Maybe we should spam congress to voice our outrage at the unfair treatment of the good doctor in the media. Mass petition to revoke Fix News license.:mad:

[michaelwise]

That gives me an idea. Maybe we should spam congress to voice our outrage at the unfair treatment of the good doctor in the media. Mass petition to revoke Fix News license.:mad:
I would also like to see antitrust lawsuit brought against all the major media companies, and a breakup of the industry.

[citijain]

Huckabee is just going where the wind is blowing. Like all of them, tossing in a reference to The Constitution, or civil liberties...don't be fooled, it's just smoke to grab a few more votes.

[michaelwise]

Huckabee is just going where the wind is blowing. Like all of them, tossing in a reference to The Constitution, or civil liberties...don't be fooled, it's just smoke to grab a few more votes.It's funny how they are all acting like copycats stealing bit's and pieces of Ron's platform. I was listening to Mark Lavin by accident today, and he was touting the virtues of liberty and the Constitution like there was no tomorrow. Ron Paul's message is really starting to sink in.

[freelance]

If you still have any doubts about that high-level meeting, just wander on over to the Winning Nevada sub-forum. That ought to open your eyes big time.

I think that part of the new play book is open primaries/caucuses, and by open, I mean that anyone from anywhere is welcome to come (be bussed in by the opposition) to vote for their favorite candidate (anyone but RP, that is). All one has to do is sign some affidavit saying that hey live in the state or hope to maybe some day (retirement anyone?) move to the state.

Don't believe me? It happened in NH, and it's happening right now in NV. Just go on over the that sub-forum to see what they have planned for us. There's lots more. Go see for yourselves.

And then decide whether these are people worthy of our trust.

[wgadget]

Illegal aliens, too?

[michaelwise]

I just thank God every day for economic disaster that is bearing down on this country now. Next week should be fun.

[michaelwise]

The GOP must be destroyed before it can be rebuilt by us.

[A Ron Paul Rebel]

The GOP must be destroyed before it can be rebuilt by us.

We are working on that as we speak ;)
We should chat Michael!

Hunter

[spudea]

it is very simple. If they want to save the republican party, then elect Ron Paul, cut the bullshit corruption in louisiana etc.

[michaelwise]

We are working on that as we speak ;)
We should chat Michael!

HunterI have a person named Hunter in My Florida Meetup Group.

[BillyDkid]

Screw them. They had their chance this go round and they treated us and Dr. Paul like dirt. The GOP put all their power behind discrediting Ron Paul and his supporters and I, for one, will not ever forget that.

[HippyChimp]

Screw them. They had their chance this go round and they treated us and Dr. Paul like dirt. The GOP put all their power behind discrediting Ron Paul and his supporters and I, for one, will not ever forget that.I'm with ya, but what options do we have? A third party candidate can't win in America, that's why Paul running as a Rep. got us long-time-libertarians all hot and bothered, we saw this as a chance to finally get some national attention (press). That didn't happen, at least not enough. You think Paul's being ignored now? You ain't seen nothin' yet...

(don't listen to me, I'm in a very negative mood today...)

[scandinaviany3]

Wow, they're just now figuring it out?

I wonder how many people (like me) have answered the RNC's calls for $$$ with, "Sorry, I won't be contributing to you unless you start listening to Ron Paul. BTW, I've been giving all my $$$ to him..."

LOL>

Corrupt, sold out too often, but not wise are those in power.

In fact they only seek to retain power...until its too late and too damaging for us all.


Its time to clean house in 08!

[Join The Paul Side]

The only concession I want from the GOP is to throw some support behind our man. That is the only way I will judge them as genuine in any sort of return to core values. What they don't realize is that their new wave of potential voters (us) is not going to be placated by smarmy doublespeak. We aren't idiots, and we aren't going to be led around. They are going to have to be genuine or we will see it for the hollow promise that it is. I don't know if being honest is something they are going to be able to bring themselves to do. :o

Would be nice to know we're stirring the pot up there though :cool:

I agree. If they are saying this but have no intentions to stand behind Dr. Paul but only want our votes to keep themselves in power.......then Fuck 'em. :cool:

[Swmorgan77]

I was speaking to party insiders this weekend and was told that discussions reaching as high as Mike Duncan, Chairman of the Republican National Committee, were taking place on what to do about Ron Paul. I was told that the movement has had a profound affect on the party and is reshaping the current platform. Concessions must be made to the Ron Paul Republicans if the party is to thrive. They said they know the party will lose in the general election to the Democrats without Ron Paul supporters and irreparable damage to the party could last for decades.

To be brandished as losers does not sit well with the top brass in the party, and an incredible amount of resources are being wasted. They said that a return to core Republican values could go a long way in returning credibility to the party. I didn't ask what they meant by this but I know what they were thinking. I think they are beginning to see the writing on the wall, and I hope this is the beginning of a breakthrough for our party.

Not that I disbelieve you, or your account of what you were told... but here is my response to the substance of it:

BULL CRAP. They just want to pacify us yet again so we'll go along and help them keep power. I say we TORPEDO THE PARTY, GET HILLARY ELECTED SO THAT REPUBLICANS WILL OPPOSE BIG GOVERNMENT AGAIN, and let the GOP wither away and die like the Whig party before it!!!

[michaelwise]

Not that I disbelieve you, or your account of what you were told... but here is my response to the substance of it:

BULL CRAP. They just want to pacify us yet again so we'll go along and help them keep power. I say we TORPEDO THE PARTY, GET HILLARY ELECTED SO THAT REPUBLICANS WILL OPPOSE BIG GOVERNMENT AGAIN, and let the GOP wither away and die like the Whig party before it!!!I say we help get Obama elected and end the Bush-Clinton dynasty. I will be writing in Ron Paul, but will be encouraging everyone not doing this to vote for Obama.

[Swmorgan77]

I say we help get Obama elected and end the Bush-Clinton dynasty. I will be writing in Ron Paul, but will be encouraging everyone not doing this to vote for Obama.

Either is fine. They're both Socialists with horrible platforms and niether will end the war any time soon. Because they have a (D) next their name, at least "conservatives" will oppose those policies coming from them, unlike if they were coming from McCain, Romney or Bush.

[cheese]

bump

[michaelwise]

The GOP is a catastrophic waste of time.

[parke]

If the GOP thinks Im voting for McCain they are off the reservation. I REFUSE TO VOTE FOR THAT LIBERAL PANDERING FOOL.

Him as president? Better learn to speak spanish. He'll have em living in our back yards in tents.

The GOP better wake the hell up if they want to keep a brand new block of DONATING VOLUNTEERS.

I could settle for a Paul/Huck ticket. Those are the only two, together, that could keep the base happy and defeat the Democraps.

The only thing scarier to me than McCain is Hillary.

[tommyzDad]

The only concession I want from the GOP is to throw some support behind our man. That is the only way I will judge them as genuine in any sort of return to core values. What they don't realize is that their new wave of potential voters (us) is not going to be placated by smarmy doublespeak. We aren't idiots, and we aren't going to be led around. They are going to have to be genuine or we will see it for the hollow promise that it is. I don't know if being honest is something they are going to be able to bring themselves to do. :o

Would be nice to know we're stirring the pot up there though :cool:

+1776

I'll try to state this as stridently as I can: The only way the GOP can unfuck this is to ditch McDrain, and any thoughts of remaining in Iraq. And it had better be done publicly! I will never vote for anyone but Dr. Paul. I hope no one here would for millisecond consider giving away their precious vote to anyone but Dr. Paul, no matter what the GOP may promise.

[CitizenPlain]

...

[Xenophage]

Uh, this is a real old post so I don't know why it got bumped again but...

read my post about taking over the Alaskan GOP. Its stickied at the top of this forum.

[bcreps85]

The thing that they have to realize is that they CANNOT get our votes without a candidate that has the record to back up his/her mouth.

That is not McCain or Huckabee. If they want us, this time it HAS to be Ron Paul. In the future it may be someone else, but not unless their record backs it up.

[pacelli]

I'm guessing it got bumped again because the information in the OP has been shown to be a fluff piece from the GOP. They want to get us involved so they can use us, without giving any real support to Dr. Paul.

We're not fooled. They're not going to have it their way any more. The GOP has had numerous opportunities over the past several months to turn their organization around and put action where it wasn't before. I've e-mailed and called them several times over the past few weeks, as I know others have as well.

Instead of making real changes, they continue to give us lip service. I don't think anyone is fooled in this movement. The GOP has dug their political grave and now they will have to lie in it. Of course, maybe they are better off with another 8 years of Clinton. At least they will be able to keep their jobs.

The GOP is a disgrace to conservatism, political action, and our party.

[Thomas Paine]

I don't think losing Ron Paul supporters will cost them the general election. Paul had 10,000 votes in Iowa and 15,000 in NH. Those votes have come from everywhere, from libertarians to Democrats to Republicans to non voters. And likewise, those votes could go to a number of places in the general election. 1.5 million people and 680,000 people voted in the 2004 general election in Iowa and NH. Both contests saw a greater turnout for the Democrats in the primaries this year and both states saw Republicans lose in 2006. I think they'd go Democrat anyway and we'll see what happens in other states. They're going to lose the general election because of George W. Bush, Iraq, and the economy.

You forget that only a few hundred votes handed George W. Bush the margin of victory in Florida in 2000, which handed him the victory over Gore.

[Thomas Paine]

The RNC is not sincere. The inside the Beltway GOP establishment sole purpose is to acquire raw unadulterated power. They could give a rat's ass about core conservative values and Main Street America as evidenced by their support for:

1. By doubling the national debt by another $5 Trillion in just the last 7 years;

2. By supporting a war of choice in Iraq that has cost this nation $1 Trillion and will cost another $1 Trillion before it is all over;

3. By supporting the expansion of federal entitlements such as the Medicare Prescription Act;

4. By supporting unfunded federal mandates on the several States such as the No Child Left Behind Act;

5. By sacrificing domestic civil liberties in order to prosecute the War on Terror abroad; and

6. By supporting general amnesty for illegal immigrants.

The only way the national GOP is going to change is from the bottom up, which means that everyone who believes in the core conservative values espoused by Ron Paul, Ronald Reagan, Barry Goldwater, and Robert Taft, is going to have to get involved in local GOP organizations and get elected to influential party positions and begin a new political reformation of the national GOP that is long overdue.

[LEK]

I will stand by my principles.

Good for you...that warms the cockles of my heart...the GOP should demonstrate such scruples.

[Mesogen]

Let the Republican Party die.

DIE GOP DIE

[smile]

No thanks
I rather write-in RP

[LittleLightShining]

Wow a lot of speculation here on this thread. I also love the whole "If RP isn't the nominee I won't vote!" Let me ask this question, what exactly do you think not voting is going to do? Not voting is the same as watching some guy next door murder his wife and let him get away with it. If you don't vote, you can't whine about the loss of civil rights. Because, you didn't vote to get someone in there that might stop the loss of civil rights. I'd also, love to your reasons for not voting and how you justify it. :>
I'm writing in Ron Paul if he doesn't get the nomination. I used to think everyone should vote. But what choice is there if he doesn't get the nomination? The lesser of two evils is still evil and I don't want that responsibility on my shoulders. I owe it to my kids to stick with Ron Paul.

[nbhadja]

I am hoping that the GOP just dies. They deserve it.

[WRellim]

I was at the Red, White, and Blue (largest annual Republican fundraiser) dinner last Friday night. I proudly jacket pinned my RP 08 button. I had nothing but praise from people telling me they liked Ron and I had balls to come out and publicly show it.

Did you tell them they were BIG and made out of brass... so groin-kicks are completely ineffective...

And did you mention that there is a SPINE made out of Stainless Steel to go along with them?

[LEK]

A little too late oh fat, dumb and happy GOP.
It takes a traitor to support a traitor...enjoy propping up McCain.

[WRellim]

I don't think losing Ron Paul supporters will cost them the general election. Paul had 10,000 votes in Iowa and 15,000 in NH. Those votes have come from everywhere, from libertarians to Democrats to Republicans to non voters. And likewise, those votes could go to a number of places in the general election. 1.5 million people and 680,000 people voted in the 2004 general election in Iowa and NH. Both contests saw a greater turnout for the Democrats in the primaries this year and both states saw Republicans lose in 2006. I think they'd go Democrat anyway and we'll see what happens in other states. They're going to lose the general election because of George W. Bush, Iraq, and the economy.

Ah, but it is only the TIP of a very big Iceberg that we represent.

Every Ron Paul supporter (and indeed every RP voter) is representative of at least 10x our number (people who DIDN'T vote for RP because of their actions in suppressing our message). Most of THOSE people just stayed home.

And for those who have denigrated the efforts of the RP people who have joined their local GOP party entities -- since we have been the only NEW people to enter the room, and they have otherwise lost members (dropping like flies) -- it HAS made an impression... and that impression has been filtering UP the ladder from across the country.

You see, WE STAND out when we attend a GOP meeting (even without RP Gear) -- in part because we do NOT have gray hair, or use a walker and are not a direct descendant of the above (sitting next to dad and grandpa does not exactly make you much of a "surprise" youth member of the party you know... especially when they've seen you sitting there for the past several years).

For example at my local party meeting this last week (which had DISMAL attendance from my meetup members, BTW) -- even still, there were only 32 people in the room. At least 6 of them were local elected officials (wives in tow). So if you discount them (this is their paid JOB on the line, remember) then you have only 26 people.

6 of them were VISIBLY Ron Paul Supporters (RP buttons on jacket or lapel). And another 2 were incognito RP supporters.

That means nearly 1/3 of the people in that room (and 1/4 VISIBLY so) were there SOLELY because Ron Paul's campaign convinced them to join or rejoin the party.

I tell you as a person who has run OTHER organizations in the past -- THAT is both seen and makes a very marked impression. And since our numbers have been slowly "building" in attendance at meetings (initially it was only me) they really do NOT know if I have 3x, 4x, 10x or 25x that number of people in my group (they just know that I have more than showed up...)

[WRellim]

You forget that only a few hundred votes handed George W. Bush the margin of victory in Florida in 2000, which handed him the victory over Gore.

AND the entire "strategy" of the RNC this year is "50% + 1" -- at Voter Vault training, that little equation "50+1" was shown in BIG HUGE characters on screen during the presentation. It was on screen for 5 minutes while the guy from the RNC talked and hammered home the point about the fact that the GOP already *IS* a minority of voters and therefore their is an absolute need to "Get Out The Vote" at close to a 100% level to merely keep their current people in office, much less retain the WH.

So whether we are 5% or 10% of their "base" is pretty irrelevant. The FACT that we are willing and CAPABLE of "sitting this out" by standing and NOT voting on principle -- is enough to make those few in the RNC who DO have brains shudder.

They were counting on *hatred* of Hillary to galvanize their own party and maybe gain a few crossovers... Obama is screwing that up. And McCain obviously isn't helping either.

Everything is decided "at the margin" -- and we ARE the margin.

Now it really just remains to be seen whether they can rub those few brain cells together and produce the RIGHT answer. (Sad to say it, but I'm fairly certain that they WON'T succeed.)

[MozoVote]

WRellim is hittng on something that I've suspected. One of the most common refrains among the top brass of any social organization ... a church, a Rotary club, Lions club, Elks, etc is:

"How do we get some new members?"

Usually the new members are friends, marriages, or relatives of the existing members.

Go make a visit to your local GOP executive committee meeting, you will be surprised how small and clubby it is. You'll probably find some of your county reps and state legislative reps there, and miscellaneous party functionaries. Very few "interested locals" bother to come.

Although I doubt any substanitive change will take place, until Liberty minded Paulites make the difference and *get people elected* - I do agree that even a few of us attending their meetings would have to conspicuosly stand out.

[Thomas Paine]

bump

[scandinaviany3]

too many corrupt people ...time to clean house and make alliances with those that are left that want to save america, not rule it.

[tamor]

Beware of strangers bearing gifts (especially in an election year :-)

[Fields]

Say No to GOP

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/notogop/

[Rhys]

say yes to the GOP doing it our way, yes our way. make all our deams come true, for me and you.

[hawks4ronpaul]

GOP elites leak that they will return to conservative principles.
War, domestic spying, and torture continue as usual.
Bush introduces a bank-breaking $3.1 trillion budget.

Do you believe them yet?

http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

[wgadget]

Hey,

I really don't want to read all 36 pages of this thread, but I'm missing what the point is up there. So we will be conspicuous n the GOP. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? We are having our mass precinct meetings this Saturday, and I'm kinda wondering what the attitude will be toward us. Of course we have been warned to "look like Republicans."

[Rhys]

Hey,

I really don't want to read all 36 pages of this thread, but I'm missing what the point is up there. So we will be conspicuous n the GOP. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? We are having our mass precinct meetings this Saturday, and I'm kinda wondering what the attitude will be toward us. Of course we have been warned to "look like Republicans."

be a Ron Paul Republican and own it.

[Myerz]

say yes to the GOP doing it our way, yes our way. make all our deams come true, for me and you.


Schlemeel, schlemazel, hasenfeffer incorporated.

We’re gonna do it!
Give us any chance, we’ll take it.
Give us any rule, we’ll break it.
We’re gonna make our dreams come true.
Doin’ it our way.

Nothin’s gonna turn us back now,
Straight ahead and on the track now.
We’re gonna make our dreams come true,
Doin’ it our way.

There is nothing we won’t try,
Never heard the word impossible.
This time there’s no stopping us.
We’re gonna do it.

On your mark, get set, and go now,
Got a dream and we just know now,
We’re gonna make our dream come true.
And we’ll do it our way, yes our way.
Make all our dreams come true,
And do it our way, yes our way,
Make all our dreams come true
For me and you.

[apropos]

Unfortunately for the RNC, trust has to be earned. They had many years where they could have easily acquired my vote, but they chose the path of big government, unconstitutional laws, etc. The illegal immigration amnesty attempt was the last straw - I will never vote for the republican party unless they clean house.

There are some notable exceptions, however - Ron Paul being one of those.

[nc4rp]

like the man says, GoP has been hijacked. Maybe they will wake up because of all this?

[Working Poor]

Republicans are not going to back down from McCain I don't think. It is unfortunate. I guess a miracle could happen I hope so. All the same I intend to vote for RP no matter what because I will vote for who I think is the best candidate.

[Thomas Paine]

McCain may end up being the GOP nominee. However, McCain is not going to become President. McCain can kiss 5%-10% of vote good-bye because not one supporter of Ron Paul is going to lift a finger to help that bastard win in November. McCain is also going to be hammered daily from now to the general election by Rush Limbaugh and other radio talking heads. Also, if Obama wins the Democratic nomination, then McCain can kiss the independent votes good-bye because in these primaries, Obama has proven to attract the vast majority of independents compared to McCain. "Make fun, buddy!"

[Thomas Paine]

However, I did forget to add that the Clintons will probably be low enough to stoop to hiring some white supremist to take out Obama (like the MacBeths in Shakespeare) so that Hillary can claim her party's nomination.

[pepperpete1]

They had there chance to allow Ron Paul's message to be heard in a fair manner, like all the rest of the candidates. But oh, no. They did not want the public to hear the truth, and they do not have enough "dirt" on Ron Paul to smear him without out and out lying, which they are good at. So they ignored him, ridiculed him without his being able to give a resonable response, sneared at him, and the only clever one of them stole those points that he saw the public receive with applause for RP.

If they were to change their tune now, they would be putting themselves out of power and the opportunities to line their pockets like always. It is not going to happen.

We need to learn how the system works in each of our states and verify the information as to how to get to be delegates to the national convention. If it means not professing to be a RP supporter til it comes time to vote for the nominee, so be it. A little subterfuge is a whole lot less compared to what they have done during this election process.
The end result of Ron Paul as President justifies the means.

I will vote for Ron Paul if I have to write him in, and believe me each of us are able to do just that, if your poll says differently they are lying.

I would get an affidavit signed and notarized to make sure they count my vote.

So, I say piss on the GOP as it is today, and let's get doing what we can in those states that still have conventions to elect the delegates. The primaries and caucuses are just beauty contests, to see how many delegates each candidate is to receive. They do not determine who those delegates are until the convention. So if you sign on as a McCain supporter to get to be a delegate, whoops, when it comes time to vote at the national, what happens if you happen to vote for RP