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Luft97
01-13-2008, 02:02 PM
I just want to know what you think.. Do you guys feel that this campaign is our last hope for true freedom?

Nate SY
01-13-2008, 02:04 PM
Yes. At least the last peaceful hope for freedom.

JonathanR
01-13-2008, 02:05 PM
The fight for freedom is never truly lost and will always rise, for these truths really are self-evident!

pacelli
01-13-2008, 02:05 PM
I just want to know what you think.. Do you guys feel that this campaign is our last hope for true freedom?

Ah ha, your title implies the poll is about Ron Paul. Your subject states it is the campaign that we are voting on.

Yes for Ron Paul. No for the campaign.

Jeremy
01-13-2008, 02:06 PM
Not our last hope

But we need to do something before it's too late... or at least gets worse

Matthew Zak
01-13-2008, 02:06 PM
The fight doesn't end with Ron Paul.

Think about Braveheart. At the end of that movie he dies, but after his death they accomplish the most.

If Ron doesn't win we need to spread his message and keep fighting. It will never be easy, even if he does win.

McLane2007
01-13-2008, 02:08 PM
This Revolution is just getting started...........

kirkblitz
01-13-2008, 02:09 PM
Know we'll get a second chance when he runs for re-election in 2012 :)

Luft97
01-13-2008, 02:09 PM
This Revolution is just getting started...........

Very true.. love your sig BTW made me laugh..

LiveToWin
01-13-2008, 02:10 PM
We still have box 3 and 4 (look at my sig)

Jeremy
01-13-2008, 02:10 PM
Everyone voting Yes here needs to reconsider. These could be people who will leave the movement after 2008. We need to take back America now or then. The sooner the better.

AggieforPaul
01-13-2008, 02:13 PM
No. Our generation and the internet are going to get a patriot elected during my lifetime even if it isnt Ron Paul

Nate SY
01-13-2008, 02:15 PM
Everyone voting Yes here needs to reconsider. These could be people who will leave the movement after 2008. We need to take back America now or then. The sooner the better.

If I could change my vote I would. I was looking for a bit of a pessimistic view. I'll still be here whatever happens. But I honestly think that if we don't get RP our government is going to get to the point where it is non-redeemable.

Luft97
01-13-2008, 02:15 PM
Everyone voting Yes here needs to reconsider. These could be people who will leave the movement after 2008. We need to take back America now or then. The sooner the better.

Oh I agree, I just wonder how many are truely devoted to liberty. I was one of those people that thought there would never be a group truely devoted to returning our country to a constitutional republic. I was as skeptical as Dr. Paul in that respect.

Acidlump
01-13-2008, 02:18 PM
Last chance for a peaceful revolution.

RickyJ
01-13-2008, 02:23 PM
Ron Paul our last hope? Get out of here! Our last hope for freedom will be when every last American submits to these jackals! That hasn't happened yet and I doubt it ever will. There will always be hope.

RickyJ
01-13-2008, 02:25 PM
Last chance for a peaceful revolution.

Actually there is no such thing as a peaceful revolution. That's why it's not the best of slogans for Ron Paul's peaceful campaign for President.

RickyJ
01-13-2008, 02:27 PM
No. Our generation and the internet are going to get a patriot elected during my lifetime even if it isnt Ron Paul

Don't count on the Internet. It will soon be controlled too. Count on it.

Luft97
01-13-2008, 02:29 PM
Don't count on the Internet. It will soon be controlled too. Count on it.

Agreed.

Jeremy
01-13-2008, 02:29 PM
Don't count on the Internet. It will soon be controlled too. Count on it.

No... If anyone tried to pull this kind of lunacy there would be an uprising. Look at China... people are still getting censored stuff anyway. And they were already that step behind us. This would never happen...

Luft97
01-13-2008, 02:37 PM
Yes, but if they know and are seriously watching everything that you do on the internet then you wouldn't get very far would you?

Silverback
01-13-2008, 02:38 PM
Actually there is no such thing as a peaceful revolution. That's why it's not the best of slogans for Ron Paul's peaceful campaign for President.

I used to think that way too, but it's grown on me.

The Love/revolution means many things to many people but to me it means "one last shot at the ballot box".

Son of Detroit
01-13-2008, 02:43 PM
Absolutely not. There will be other people just as passionate as Paul running for office.

I say that when this election is all over, we turn this forum into a forum that focuses on electing and nominating candidates who speak of the same message that we do.

If Paul doesn't win, then in 2012 we all can get together and try to get someone similar to Paul to run and support whoever is closest to the message that we are trying to get out.

Luft97
01-13-2008, 02:45 PM
Absolutely not. There will be other people just as passionate as Paul running for office.

I say that when this election is all over, we turn this forum into a forum that focuses on electing and nominating candidates who speak of the same message that we do.

If Paul doesn't win, then in 2012 we all can get together and try to get someone similar to Paul to run and support whoever is closest to the message that we are trying to get out.

While that is an interesting idea, I don't think there is anyone else with Ron Paul's record. (I wish there was) Not going to be easy to find someone that can do it.

Son of Detroit
01-13-2008, 02:47 PM
If only Walter Williams wasn't so old.

alaric
01-13-2008, 03:12 PM
Everyone voting Yes here needs to reconsider. These could be people who will leave the movement after 2008. We need to take back America now or then. The sooner the better.
No, I'm not leaving it, no matter what. If we get another CFR asshole as pres, it may be the end of doing this peacefully.

LukeNM
01-13-2008, 04:24 PM
bump...

Luft97
01-13-2008, 08:02 PM
+1

Paul4Prez
01-13-2008, 08:09 PM
If you look at the exit polls for the under-30 vote share, you know this isn't the end, but a new beginning.

priest_of_syrinx
01-13-2008, 08:20 PM
If we don't win the election this time, hopefully in 2012 we supporters can re-unite again behind either Dr. Paul or another good candidate that advocates liberty and a humble foreign policy. Perhaps Michael Badnarik?...

smartguy911
01-13-2008, 08:24 PM
Last chance for a peaceful revolution.

i am guessing in few years internet will be heavily regulated.

Luft97
01-13-2008, 08:37 PM
i am guessing in few years internet will be heavily regulated.

I'm pretty sure it will be.

Agent CSL
01-13-2008, 08:39 PM
No. Ron Paul will inspire hundreds of thousands. He may, however, be our last chance for a peaceful way to change the government.

jumpyg1258
01-13-2008, 08:41 PM
If Ron does not get elected then the NAU will come to replace America which will nullify the Constitution and Bill of Rights, so yes he's our last hope for freedom and the USA.

G-Wohl
01-13-2008, 08:45 PM
I don't think this is the last chance, but it sure is getting more and more unrealistic as the time goes by.

My only fear is that the internet becomes regulated and the Patriot Act becomes interpreted more "liberally" as to assert that those of us who love freedom are "homegrown terrorists". If these two things were to happen, then our love for freedom will be crushed.

crink
01-13-2008, 08:52 PM
To say that this is our last chance would be a ridiculous statement. Even if Ron Paul loses and Hillary or Giuliani wins we can still win back congress. I can't believe it when people are saying "maybe we'll do better in 2012." If we can focus all this energy and money and support that we have for Dr.Paul into other good people like him then we can win this country back in 4-8 years!!
But we need to start as soon as the presidential elections are over before all the fareweather fans leave. I doubt Ron Paul ever expected to win in the beginning. If we give up at the very beginning then we obviously don't have a chance.

austin356
01-13-2008, 09:05 PM
How could it be our last hope?

Our government will in the long term reflect the will of the people. (hell it even does now to a large extent; The problem is the people have just been fooled)
Our problem is the will of the people is turned toward things at the expense of liberty.

That is not the case with the up and coming generation X, and Y. (at least to such extent).
Imagine how socialistic the baby boomer generation (current generation) was when they were 20-30 years old.
Now compare that to generation X and Y. The blind faith in government is just not there anymore.

mstrmac1
01-13-2008, 09:09 PM
our country is being bought everyday, by the chinese & the saudis... the dollar is worthless... yes! america as we know it will be done unless mr paul gets elected!

dirknb@hotmail.com
01-13-2008, 09:13 PM
Don't count on the Internet. It will soon be controlled too. Count on it.

Exactly. Factor in all of the civil-liberty-eroding legislation, Executive Orders and Presidential Directives that are now on the books. And then factor in the NAU.

The noose is almost closed. This is it.

dirknb@hotmail.com
01-13-2008, 09:14 PM
How could it be our last hope?

Our government will in the long term reflect the will of the people. (hell it even does now to a large extent; The problem is the people have just been fooled)
Our problem is the will of the people is turned toward things at the expense of liberty.

That is not the case with the up and coming generation X, and Y. (at least to such extent).
Imagine how socialistic the baby boomer generation (current generation) was when they were 20-30 years old.
Now compare that to generation X and Y. The blind faith in government is just not there anymore.

You're assuming that in the long term we will have the same freedoms we have now. We won't.

Revolutn
01-13-2008, 09:24 PM
The last hope is guns and ammo in the hands of enough liberty minded people.
Our founders knew it.
Our founders lived it.
Our founders wrote it down so that it might never be forgot.
We've failed by and large to care enough as a whole to read or remember it.


As to Ron Paul being the 'last' hope however.....I always think of the sceene from The Empire Strikes Back.

Obiwan to Yoda as Luke leaves his Jedi training pre-maturely on Degobah
"That boy was our last hope."

"No. There is another."


There is always 'another' hope.

What there isn't at the present is another man to be the focal point of that hope.
And time draws ever narrower to escape a completely totalitarian society where rebellion even of an armed nature, which Dr. Paul does not support, will be very difficult to succeed.

When I think of that pending reality, I recall this:

"If you will not fight when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Winston Churchill

And I am driven to push harder to awaken persons yet in the fog, before it comes to a 'worse case' with no hope of victory.

Rev

alaric
01-13-2008, 09:49 PM
Exactly. Factor in all of the civil-liberty-eroding legislation, Executive Orders and Presidential Directives that are now on the books. And then factor in the NAU.

The noose is almost closed. This is it.
if the internet is basically closed, like in china, the time for talking will be over. Other means will be needed. That will not be pretty. No, I won't give up in either case, but i don't think 'elections' will then help or be fair, either.

pcosmar
01-13-2008, 10:04 PM
There is always 'another' hope.

I think Ron Paul is the last hope for a peaceful transition.
He is not the Last hope, but I hope it does not come to that.

daniroyer
01-13-2008, 11:39 PM
I voted "no" because there are so many people who are rising up and running for office thanks to Ron Paul. Without him as President, it will be INCREDIBLY hard, but he isn't the end. Only the beginning.

exer51
01-13-2008, 11:41 PM
Pretty much. There's a chance if we RABIDLY start taking over city/state governments and educating EVERYONE... But if he loses and we don't get at it 10x what we have we're done IMO.

Luft97
01-14-2008, 05:39 AM
Hmm, it's interesting the percentages have stayed almost the same since the poll started

u2canbfmj
01-14-2008, 06:27 AM
As long as we continue to fight, we have thousands of Ron Pauls in this country. We need to run for office, get elected, reform the government from the inside. OR Allow the Central Government to become even stronger, there by, many of the sheeple's rose colored glasses will be removed. These former sheeples will be a tipping point in the fight for a correctly sized constitutional republic.

Xenophage
01-14-2008, 08:02 AM
Ron Paul is my generation's first hope. He's the only hope we've ever had. How can we say its our last?

I was born in 1982. We've never had an ideological revolution of this magnitude before. Its going to get bigger.

Xenophage
01-14-2008, 08:03 AM
Hmm, it's interesting the percentages have stayed almost the same since the poll started

OMG! VOTE RIGGING!

I CALL FOR A RECOUNT!

Dr.3D
01-14-2008, 08:37 AM
At the current rate the constitution is being infringed upon, in 2010, there will be little of the constitution left to protect people who would try to change the direction the Federal Government is heading. By 2010, there will be a totally CFR controlled government and I'll be surprised if it isn't a One World Government.

This is the last chance to elect someone as president who would change the current direction this country is heading into.

There will be no other chance to elect anybody when they take away voting rights.

Swmorgan77
01-14-2008, 10:37 AM
I just want to know what you think.. Do you guys feel that this campaign is our last hope for true freedom?

Honestly yes.. and that's not to say that even if Dr. Paul won that freedom would happen.

Like RP has said in several speeches, we have to be a moral nation to make freedom work and to deserve it.

If this effort fails in this election, I honestly don't see how the United States will avoid the problems that are at our doorstep. I think this nation is headed for a Soviet-style collapse. After that, will free areas exist that uphold the Constition.. yes. That is where I plan to be.

shane2
01-14-2008, 10:55 AM
I'm really surprised we are even getting this last chance to seriously bust up TPTB and regain our Constitution.

For me, I'll be vigorously supporting Ron Paul getting his message out far & wide for as long as his star burns brightly illuminating the masses to the loss of their Constitutional freedoms and liberties.

When it comes time to take this country back, whether he had won or not, we'll have thousands more fellow patriots standing shoulder-to-shoulder with us then because of him and this historic campaign having awakened them.

I hope/pray we can do so in-time via the ballet box and not need the cartridge box.

- Shane

dirknb@hotmail.com
01-14-2008, 11:03 AM
Ron Paul is my generation's first hope. He's the only hope we've ever had. How can we say its our last?

I was born in 1982. We've never had an ideological revolution of this magnitude before. Its going to get bigger.

In 1982 the Constitution was still largely intact. It has now been virtually legislated away. How are you going to continue the fight if you're in jail for being a domestic terrorist because you spoke out?

TurtleBurger
01-14-2008, 11:11 AM
It's not the last hope for freedom in general. However, if Ron Paul is not elected, thousands more American troops and innocent Arab civilians will DIE. This is the last chance for many of them.

MN Patriot
01-14-2008, 11:13 AM
If most people think Ron is our last hope, then what is the point of even trying? Ron is 72 years old. How many more years will he be involved in politics? 8 at the most?

If most people here think one man is our last hope, then they are horribly unrealistic. Wake up, people. YOU need to become the next Ron Paul. Learn the issues, learn how to present them. Learn how the political system works. Ron has created a great example of how to argue the merits of freedom. We just need to take it to the next level.

That next level is an independent run, preferably as a Libertarian. Have a Libertarian run for every Congressional seat. Emphasize the need to grow the party as a central campaign message. Then in 2, 4, 6 years we can take the country back with hundreds of Ron Pauls in Congress.

dirknb@hotmail.com
01-14-2008, 11:23 AM
If most people think Ron is our last hope, then what is the point of even trying? Ron is 72 years old. How many more years will he be involved in politics? 8 at the most?

If most people here think one man is our last hope, then they are horribly unrealistic. Wake up, people. YOU need to become the next Ron Paul. Learn the issues, learn how to present them. Learn how the political system works. Ron has created a great example of how to argue the merits of freedom. We just need to take it to the next level.

That next level is an independent run, preferably as a Libertarian. Have a Libertarian run for every Congressional seat. Emphasize the need to grow the party as a central campaign message. Then in 2, 4, 6 years we can take the country back with hundreds of Ron Pauls in Congress.

Ron himself isn't our last hope, but it's imperative that he reach the White House to toss out all of the Executive Orders and Presidential Directives that threaten our liberty. It is also crucial because by the time the next Presidential election comes around the internet will probably be regulated and the message of freedom will be outlawed. As President he can't be denied the microphone. The only way this succeeds is if we get him there now. Others can carry on after he is gone, but unless we get him the microphone now the message will be silenced for good.

MN Patriot
01-15-2008, 09:09 PM
Ron himself isn't our last hope, but it's imperative that he reach the White House to toss out all of the Executive Orders and Presidential Directives that threaten our liberty. It is also crucial because by the time the next Presidential election comes around the internet will probably be regulated and the message of freedom will be outlawed. As President he can't be denied the microphone. The only way this succeeds is if we get him there now. Others can carry on after he is gone, but unless we get him the microphone now the message will be silenced for good.

Get real. The message of freedom won't be silenced for good if Ron doesn't win this election. But we will continue to gradually lose our freedom unless the libertarians and conservatives who value freedom unite and create a political organization that can role back the welfare state.

As I've stated before, if Ron doesn't get the Republican nomination, he needs to run as a Libertarian, get a Libertarian to run in every congressional district, and have a united campaign platform that we can present to voters. Every candidate must emphasize growing the LP so it can compete with the other two, and win elections with 34% of the vote in another 2,4,6 years.

jlaker
01-16-2008, 12:32 AM
No. Our generation and the internet are going to get a patriot elected during my lifetime even if it isnt Ron Paul

I was watching Glenn Beck and he had a guy on talking about the government taking contol of the internet. He said Bush plans on trying to do this in Febuary. He was saying we need to give up our privacy a little for protection. Sound farmilar. He said if this doesn't get done we would have a Pearl Harbor attack on the internet. Glenn asked the guy if this means that he wrote an E-mail to his aunt would the government be able to read it and he said if they felt they needed to. This would be very very bad.:(

Luft97
01-24-2008, 09:09 PM
Since there are so many on atm I'm interested to see the results ;)

stevedasbach
01-24-2008, 09:12 PM
Doomsday predictions are almost always wrong.

If Ron Paul doesn't win, he will have laid the foundation for Ron Paul candidates winning seats in Congress, and a candidate running on a version of Ron Paul's platform winning the Presidency, hopefully in 2012.

Of course, it would be much better to get Ron elected in 2008. :)

TheWhiteRider
01-24-2008, 09:14 PM
"no, there is another"

-yoda

yongrel
01-24-2008, 09:19 PM
No.

Yongrel in 2028 is our last hope :D

sharpsteve2003
01-24-2008, 09:22 PM
Know we'll get a second chance when he runs for re-election in 2012 :)

Great Response!

+10000

captainelectron
01-28-2008, 08:47 PM
I notice that Randall may be available in future years as randpaul2012.com and randpaul2016.com are already taken. Hone your skilz and be ready to crush the statists as the rEVOLution grows.

jdmetz
01-28-2008, 08:59 PM
They are registered by Mike Toles, who apparently is a Ron Paul meetup group organizer. ronpaul2012.com appears to be registered (as best I can tell) by the Ron Paul campaign.

PepperdotNet
01-28-2008, 09:11 PM
This is a unique time in history. Personal liberties are being steadily whittled away, and yet we have an unregulated Internet and still have the right to vote. That might not last much longer. It will be regulated, monitored and censored in the name of "stopping the piracy" "protecting the children" and "hunting down the terrorists."

"They" definitely don't want something like the "Ron Paul r3Vo7ution" happening again.

mconder
01-28-2008, 09:12 PM
Ron Paul is not our last hope, but a new beginning and a reason to hope for the future. I have always thought this campaign serves more of an educational purpose than to actually get RP elected. Look how many people like RP have already committed to running for Congress.

mconder
01-28-2008, 09:16 PM
In 1982 the Constitution was still largely intact. It has now been virtually legislated away. How are you going to continue the fight if you're in jail for being a domestic terrorist because you spoke out?

The work to destroy is began way before that.

ArrestPoliticians
01-28-2008, 09:22 PM
I voted "Yes" because the press towards a NAU will accelerate to completion within the next ten years.

However, JESSE VENTURA could run third party on Ron Paul's platform(he would need massive financial backing) to win. HE is the last hope if Ron Paul doesnt get in there.

AFM
01-28-2008, 09:23 PM
This begins with Ron Paul.

fufurios
01-28-2008, 09:32 PM
He would bring the troops home from Iran immediately.
He is Iran's last hope.:(

amistybleu
01-28-2008, 09:35 PM
I put Dont Know but I am treating it like our last chance.

scrosnoe
01-28-2008, 09:37 PM
Very true.. love your sig BTW made me laugh..

+1

crazyfingers
01-28-2008, 10:05 PM
Come on people...frankly the number of "Yes" votes is depressing. Just the fact that so many freedom-minded people have come together for this campaign has brought me great encouragement. Especially the large number of young people - I honestly thought I was practically the only member of my generation who truly understood the need for liberty and limited government.

If we can raise $30 million for Paul we can raise at least that much to take back Congress for the people. Sure things are looking bad, but like the saying goes, it's always darkest before dawn. If we give up now, they win. It's as simple as that.

Mandrik
01-28-2008, 10:10 PM
I said no. I'm 28 with two daughters turning 4 in a couple weeks. If this is our last hope, wtf am I supposed to tell my kids? I refuse to believe it ends here. IMO, it STARTS here.

Libertytree
01-28-2008, 10:30 PM
We have been fighting, we are fighting and we will continue fighting.

We are looking at an epoch in American history that isn't boding well for the future of freedom, liberty and the longevity of our republic.

Whether or not Dr Paul becomes our next president we still direly need to get libertarian minded people into offices, bottom to top. Yes, it would help tremendously if he were at the top while we built the foundation.

But...there's always a but, we should start also thinking in contingencies, the meetup groups are an ideal method for us to stay connected and to be able to mobilize as needed, in real life and online. What I'm talking about is the infrastructure of the resistance. We have the net, for now, but what if we were all suddenly disconnected? We would be the snake with its head cut off, we are very much defenseless at the moment and we may very well need the ability to actually physically unite at some point in the future.