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hazek
01-13-2008, 07:48 AM
I'm like :eek::

The Energy Non-Crisis (http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=3340274697167011147&hl=en)



Some time ago I watched this and it seems the first video only confirms this one:

GREG PALAST: BLOOD FOR NO OIL (http://video.aol.com/video-detail/greg-palast-is-the-fix-in-for-08--blood-for-no-oil-armed-madhouse-book-tour/3128582834)



Wake up, we are slaves and we don't even know it. :mad:

hazek
01-13-2008, 07:54 AM
Mod's please make an exception for this thread and don't move it. It's just too important for people not to see it.

dirknb@hotmail.com
01-13-2008, 07:58 AM
Here's another good one on oil for you. It's a British comedian. Hard to understand what he says at times, but he presents it and makes you laugh at the same time. It's called The History of Oil and runs about 45 minutes.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5267640865741878159&q=history+of+oil&total=1061&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Sarge
01-13-2008, 08:15 AM
I agree all should see this. Looked at it yesterday. 1hour 15 minutes, but an eye opener. Need to watch to the end for the full story.

If the minister is correct, which I believe he well might be, Bush will see that Iran is nuked before Iran floods the oil market. The minister does not appear to be a conspiracy type person. I sort of wish he wasn't trying to sell a book to get the word out but then what media would let him tell his story.

He makes so much sense on the IMF and World Bank using our money to forgive debt to the rest of the world and driving us broke. There will be hell to pay when all wake up to what is going on.

disciple
01-13-2008, 09:12 AM
We've been played. All these people killed for no good reason except for greed and deception.

Great video.

1913_to_2008
01-13-2008, 09:32 AM
I'm like :eek::

Wake up, we are slaves and we don't even know it. :mad:

I know we are slaves...I've known for years. It embarrasses me to see all the sheep that think they're free.

Your house is just where they brush you, feed you, and clean you, then send you back out to work.......

I know most of you won't understand this. At least try to take a minute and think about it instead of worrying about your worthless gadgets.

Thumper
01-13-2008, 10:40 AM
Read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins, the book mentioned by Lindsey Williams in his video. I had to read it last semester or for a Business Ethics class. It goes into great detail about how the IMF and the World Bank have enslaved third world countries with backbreaking loans and the deals America has entered into with the oil producing nations of the world and much much more. It also talks about CIA involvement in Iran, the overthrow of the Shah in the fifties and the installation of two governments in Iran since then. This is the exact kind of stuff that Dr. Paul talks about when he says that it is our foreign policy that pisses off the terrorists, not the fact that we are free or wealthy.

Very interesting stuff and a must read for anyone who wants to understand our foreign policy, how our government and large corporations exert control on other sovereign nations and seek to do the same to us.

PlaytoWin
01-13-2008, 11:02 AM
Couple questions:

He never did name "they" did he?

Anybody see the entire video to know the Iranian date for flooding the markets? Is it before the election in '08?

If this is true, wouldn't that make pulling the troops out alot easier for Iran to accomplish this objective? It would seem Ron is aware of this situation.

Stoli
01-13-2008, 11:42 AM
This is a must see

thechitowncubs
01-13-2008, 11:43 AM
This sucks, we need to start forming some militias soon :).

hazek
01-13-2008, 11:44 AM
This sucks, we need to start forming some militias soon :).

No problem. The FEMA camps are already waiting for you.

DAFTEK
01-13-2008, 12:02 PM
Scary shit, this explains why bush is so eager to bomb Iran and it sounds like our next president might just be chosen by bush to continue the oil legacy, i swear im moving overseas as this country is becoming worse then the communists :(

hazek
01-13-2008, 12:25 PM
More people need to see this.

hazek
01-13-2008, 01:09 PM
More people need to see this.

Blimp.

Dieseler
01-13-2008, 01:20 PM
'They' are The World Bank and the International Monetary Fund.

hazek
01-13-2008, 01:52 PM
blimp

tomahawk
01-13-2008, 01:52 PM
so what is the supposed date?

hazek
01-13-2008, 02:45 PM
I don't think the date matters..

hazek
01-13-2008, 03:09 PM
so what is the supposed date?


Maybe this could be a clue: Iran-Pakistan to sign Peace Pipeline deal by the end of January (http://www.isna.ir/Main/NewsView.aspx?ID=News-1067863&Lang=E)

hazek
01-13-2008, 03:20 PM
Or this: Iran Darkhovin oil field at 100k bpd output-report (http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKBLA35021320080113)

hazek
01-13-2008, 03:29 PM
Or maybe this could be a clue: Dollar, yen or Euro? (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=35109&sectionid=3510304)

Vet_from_cali
01-13-2008, 03:51 PM
why isnt this on youtube? i know its a long piece, but they show a cut down piece on youtube to introduce the viewer to the full version on google.

Vet_from_cali
01-13-2008, 03:51 PM
oh and someone put it up on digg

corsairtro
01-13-2008, 04:03 PM
wow,

Onyx
01-13-2008, 04:20 PM
Nice video.

Download it to your computer before they take it down. [ Download Video (http://vp.video.google.com/videodownload?version=0&secureurl=tQAAAKqC27KTQpG8KHLRMcW6G7_0UuNTkqo99d1a 8Dg6IWlM3Gqoml6ymno6TCBmIm8NCkBA_eVEwAubIDK9Nd_a86 Q4EoEPrnAn44KUA9fDwKbZpsxLXrNsEDxnENAy-cxOaL9Pr2X6Vmwb4NPCUtKWM7QPhOiNe7-Zl8WhUXWY07D0E_GJBNxScsJnYyIP_lBHhlwemqjlzR447Q27x 3GndJY2cQz3sp22VdCaEY-FFAYT9VAZ0rlkcXOBerFMZFTcyg) ]

hazek
01-13-2008, 04:46 PM
Bump.

asheville4paul
01-13-2008, 05:47 PM
Anybody think this is BS?

hazek
01-13-2008, 05:50 PM
bump.

tyler477
01-13-2008, 05:57 PM
Anybody think this is BS?
no, this makes perfect sense.... it's what CIA alex jones doesn't want you to know.


blimp

asheville4paul
01-13-2008, 06:02 PM
Are you saying Alex Jones is a CIA asset?

asheville4paul
01-13-2008, 06:04 PM
Is that why he mixes a lot of truth with some complete bs to make it all look like bs?

hazek
01-13-2008, 06:08 PM
Oh come on.

Maybe he just gets a bit carried away?

Honestly, I don't know, someone should look into it.. Follow the money.. it always leads you to the guilty.

propanes
01-13-2008, 06:10 PM
Someone please connect the dots.
Why is this important?
Is this person credible?
Why would Iran hike production?
Why would the government suppress the news of large oil/natural gas reserves?
Thanks

edit - never mind, got it

asheville4paul
01-13-2008, 06:15 PM
I've watched the whole video and its quite interesting. Don't know he could say these things(if its true) and not be iced.

asheville4paul
01-13-2008, 06:24 PM
What yall think?

asheville4paul
01-13-2008, 06:46 PM
bump

hazek
01-13-2008, 06:57 PM
If I wanted to find out the truth there would be two ways I could do that.

First: I could go to Alaska and see for my self if there really is so much oil there.

Second: I could wait and see if Bush does bomb Iran for no apparent reason other then the scare tactic "supporters of terrorists" bullshit.

But we don't really need do that now do we? We can just check out Iraq. There Hussein was going to do the same thing, namely dump US dollars and start exporting in Euros.
IRAQ WANTS TO BE PAID IN EUROS FOR ITS OIL SALES (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-66520721.html)
Iraq gets U.N. approval for euro-denominated bank account for oil proceeds (http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=NewsLibrary&p_multi=APAB&d_place=APAB&p_theme=newslibrary2&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0F89CAB19AABF40A&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM)
Dow sinks below 8,000 again over Iraq fears (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-67623605.html)
I could go on and on..
There were no WMD's and no real threat. The only logical threat was an economy based one.

I don't know but it just makes sense. Again for those that it doesn't, go to Alaska or wait and see how Iran gets destroyed.

tyler477
01-13-2008, 07:17 PM
Are you saying Alex Jones is a CIA asset?

yes, yes i am. Bill cooper outed him as being an all out lying fear monger in 2000, check out the youtubes of this.

Dave Pedersen
01-13-2008, 07:23 PM
What is the date of this speech? And what is the date referred to in the speech? Thanks

Dave Pedersen
01-13-2008, 07:29 PM
yes, yes i am. Bill cooper outed him as being an all out lying fear monger in 2000, check out the youtubes of this.

Bill Cooper was specifically against his fear mongering ranting on the date of y2k.

I think Alex is doing his very best to warn people and deserves a lot of respect.

At any rate, the world bank and the imf seem to be at the top of the western power structure but they have an opponent in the far east who is much stronger than they are in terms of capacity to do personal harm to each and every one of their members simultaneously.

Perhaps they will inflict the prophesied "deadly wound"..

asheville4paul
01-13-2008, 07:34 PM
Heres a clip of Cooper ripping alex jones


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ82zk8ycfs

tyler477
01-13-2008, 07:37 PM
Bill Cooper was specifically against his fear mongering ranting on the date of y2k.

I think Alex is doing his very best to warn people and deserves a lot of respect.

At any rate, the world bank and the imf seem to be at the top of the western power structure but they have an opponent in the far east who is much stronger than they are in terms of capacity to do personal harm to each and every one of their members simultaneously.

Perhaps they will inflict the prophesied "deadly wound"..

alex jones ripped bill coopers' ideas off for profit and took over his job after he was killed. AJ also lied about prophecizing 9/11 when in fact bill cooper did months prior.


it seems all to convenient that now AJ has a monopoly on the conspiracists media. I for one question his power and motives.

As for this man in the video, he makes rational sense as to who profits from the oil and why it is being done, with no extra AJ type fear mongering about masons and 9/11 inside job nonsense.

AJ takes part truths to make good lies.... he does this to make people fearful and take their minds off the real issues, like the ones raised in this topics' video.

asheville4paul
01-13-2008, 07:42 PM
Tyler477 says
"As for this man in the video, he makes rational sense as to who profits from the oil and why it is being done, with no extra AJ type fear mongering about masons and 9/11 inside job nonsense."


Damn good point

tyler477
01-13-2008, 07:44 PM
Tyler477 says
"As for this man in the video, he makes rational sense as to who profits from the oil and why it is being done, with no extra AJ type fear mongering about masons and 9/11 inside job nonsense."


Damn good point

I'm quite convinced that AJ is only using RP for ratings and to gain the trust of RP's supporters.

tyler477
01-13-2008, 07:45 PM
blimp

asheville4paul
01-13-2008, 07:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AqWF5FjkyI&feature=related


Alex Jones says he's not voting.

tyler477
01-13-2008, 08:07 PM
bump

asheville4paul
01-13-2008, 08:09 PM
Watch this video people (the OP)

tyler477
01-13-2008, 08:33 PM
important!

asheville4paul
01-13-2008, 09:13 PM
Watch it

rp4prez
01-13-2008, 10:09 PM
for those of you that watched these videos do you know what date iran is going to start selling their oil cheaply for euros as stated in the video?

TruckinMike
01-13-2008, 10:42 PM
for those of you that watched these videos do you know what date iran is going to start selling their oil cheaply for euros as stated in the video?

no, but here is a link to a WND article: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59109

and here is one about iran and chavez selling cheap oil:http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200608/07/eng20060807_290953.html

TMike

rp4prez
01-13-2008, 10:48 PM
That's one hell of a video that really makes sense.

asheville4paul
01-13-2008, 11:31 PM
for those of you that watched these videos do you know what date iran is going to start selling their oil cheaply for euros as stated in the video?

It did not say in the video.

rice_classic
01-13-2008, 11:41 PM
No wonder the powers in Washington are planning a Nuclear first strike. They are THAT afraid of the power Iran has over us.

Ironically it's ONLY Ron Paul that has a solution NOT involving nuclear weapons. That solution is first a competing currency so we are stuck ONLY holding dollars when our economy collapses and second, increased diplomacy with Iran (real diplomacy, not that with weapons).

alien
01-13-2008, 11:59 PM
yes, yes i am. Bill cooper outed him as being an all out lying fear monger in 2000, check out the youtubes of this.

And who the hell is Bill Cooper?

tyler477
01-14-2008, 12:54 AM
[QUOTE=alien;949726]And who the hell is Bill Cooper?[/QUOTE

search youtube for bill cooper.... he is the original AJ, also Bill Cooper is NOT CIA like Jones is.

RonPaulCentral
01-14-2008, 01:15 AM
And when I thought I had learned so much this past year.. about the Fed and such.... it just had to get even worse. This has to be the most enlightening thing I believe I have ever heard in my entire life. :eek:

There is ZERO question in my mind now that we will attack Iran.... ZERO.

I am starting to wonder.... has it all got so bad that everything is now going to start to come completely apart? I think the "powers to be" have lost control of this entire mess and everything is very close to a MAJOR collapse and breakdown.

I just don't even know what to say anymore. I am very depressed. At this point I wonder if Ron was to be elected if the poor man would even make it a month in office before he was eliminated. This so sucks. :mad:

tyler477
01-14-2008, 01:23 AM
And when I thought I had learned so much this past year.. about the Fed and such.... it just had to get even worse. This has to be the most enlightening thing I believe I have ever heard in my entire life. :eek:

There is ZERO question in my mind now that we will attack Iran.... ZERO.

I am starting to wonder.... has it all got so bad that everything is now going to start to come completely apart? I think the "powers to be" have lost control of this entire mess and everything is very close to a MAJOR collapse and breakdown.

I just don't even know what to say anymore. I am very depressed. At this point I wonder if Ron was to be elected if the poor man would even make it a month in office before he was eliminated. This so sucks. :mad:

you are so fu&*king right man, and the sad part is everyone on this forum doesn't have the attention span to watch this vid, they would rather yap all day about "luntz' criticism"
lol
talk about a waste of time.....

EVERYONE WATCH THIS! IT TAKES OUR WHOLE REVOLUTION IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION!!!!

Thumper
01-14-2008, 01:28 AM
Please stop all the back and forth about Alex Jones and Bill Cooper and encourage people to watch this video. It's far more important that whether or not AJ is a CIA spook etc etc etc.

Also, as I said in my previous post, please get a copy of "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins and read it. It's a great read and explains exactly what the World Bank and IMF agendas are as stated in the video. It's all about using credit to enslave the world and make corporations rich. If world leaders who take loans from these institutions don't play by the rules and follow their marching orders they are assassinated and puppet regimes are installed.

Unfortunately for all of us this is not "conspiracy theory". This is U.S. foreign policy and empire building at it's finest and a select few money men and power brokers stand to gain everything and everyone else stands to lose.

AlbemarleNC0003
01-14-2008, 01:33 AM
I'm quite convinced that AJ is only using RP for ratings and to gain the trust of RP's supporters.

Amen. Hallelujah!

AlbemarleNC0003
01-14-2008, 01:35 AM
For those interested. Here is a credible source CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR for the oil/euro story in Iran. They were supposed to do it in 2006, 2007. About the same time we started hearing screams of a surge.


Yet even as remote as the Iranian threat may be, others note that past attempts to create new markets have not been greeted warmly. None other than Saddam Hussein decided to sell oil only in contracts dominated in euros - in the months before he was ousted by a US-led military invasion.

The Iranian regime is certainly not looking to provoke a similar reaction, experts say, but on the other hand it is taking similar stabs at the global economic system as it faces waves of mostly Western-based criticism. "Basically they are just throwing stuff out," says Carnegie's Mr. Perkovich, "throwing out these ideas in an effort to stay on the offensive."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0830/p03s01-wome.html

tyler477
01-14-2008, 01:40 AM
For those interested. Here is a credible source CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR for the oil/euro story in Iran. They were supposed to do it in 2006, 2007. About the same time we started hearing screams of a surge.



http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0830/p03s01-wome.html

thanks for this...... this video really makes you see global conflict in a new light..... now all we need are the RP supporters who are liberals to get their heads outta their ass about global warming and 9/11 truth and heed this man.

tyler477
01-14-2008, 01:41 AM
Amen. Hallelujah!
WOW! at least one RP supporter isn't brainwashed by AJ!

AlbemarleNC0003
01-14-2008, 01:46 AM
WOW! at least one RP supporter isn't brainwashed by AJ!

I think he detracts from the message that I want to send. My agenda is freedom. I don't know what his is. I've listened only once. I got enough yelling as a kid.

He may be right, he may not be. I don't even know his argument and don't care.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article1263954.ece

Another talking about the Euro/Oil.

And who wins if we bomb Iran? China. http://www.researchandmarkets.com/reports/531602/iran_joint_venture_construction_plans_for.htm

AlbemarleNC0003
01-14-2008, 01:56 AM
And then, there's today.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601091&sid=aPcvedj0I.FU&refer=india


Jan. 14 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil traded near a three-week low in New York on concern slowing global economic growth will trim demand.

U.S. President George W. Bush yesterday warned Arab allies in the Gulf of the dangers posed by neighboring Iran, the region's second-biggest oil producer and exporter.

Find the money, find the reason. Bombing Iran would reduce production output and create a tighter supply increasing the price.

It's on.

Richandler
01-14-2008, 02:04 AM
Yah this is a really good video. Seeing articles about how Iraq was trying to switch to Euro's before the war is another piece to the evidence.

As for those of you who are wondering the "date." Well, it's already happened. I think recently dollars themselves have become illegal in Iran. Only Euros are being delt with so incase you haven't notice the dollar is largely falling as a result aiding inflation. It's going to drop even further as Iran dramatically increases their output tremoundously by 2010. It all ads up. I was so amazed when I saw this because this is the first of the "conspiracy" style talks that actually made sense with solid evidence.

asheville4paul
01-14-2008, 02:59 AM
watch this video

figueir2
01-14-2008, 03:12 AM
bump!

Dave Pedersen
01-14-2008, 03:20 AM
We know the IMF and the world bank have all the money they need. To do what? Rule the world with an iron fist. But they need more than just money. They need the cooperation of the people. Six billion people and they have several options.

They can kill 5 billion which makes their problem only one sixth as large.
They can kill 2 billion and use fear and confusion to gain power over the rest.
They can continue to wedge their propaganda into the minds generation by generation until the people over the world have forgotten how to imagine what freedom can be.

As their third option deteriorates they are more likely to move toward the other two.

The Chinese seem to find these options undesirable.
It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Talcott
01-14-2008, 04:06 AM
Anybody think this is BS?

It's BS.

http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2006/3/1/3402/63420

This site has lot's of people in the industry gears(non owners).

Some reason's why....

There's a very good chance claimed OPEC reserves are exaggerated.
World production stopped increasing in late 2004.
Decline rates of existing production are very high
Hubbert Linearization points to peak oil
At least one major oil company is warning us
The price of oil keeps going up.

THIS is why we are in Iraq to control one of the least exploited massive reserves left.

expatinireland
01-14-2008, 04:14 AM
I honestly couldn't watch any more than the first 60 seconds of this video.

To make a statement that there is more crude oil in the north slope of Alaska than there is in Saudi Arabia without drilling any exploratory wells is just plain nonsense imho.

tyler477
01-14-2008, 05:10 AM
bump

humanic
01-14-2008, 05:33 AM
It's BS.

http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2006/3/1/3402/63420

This site has lot's of people in the industry gears(non owners).

Some reason's why....

There's a very good chance claimed OPEC reserves are exaggerated.
World production stopped increasing in late 2004.
Decline rates of existing production are very high
Hubbert Linearization points to peak oil
- At least one major oil company is warning us
The price of oil keeps going up.

THIS is why we are in Iraq to control one of the least exploited massive reserves left.

I haven't seen this video yet, but I think Talcott is right here. Peak Oil is the one issue I never see any RP supporters discussing. Please check out this material and weigh it against whatever the guy in this video says. I'm not saying he's lying... I will watch it myself and weigh it against everything I've read about Peak Oil myself.

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net
http://www.dieoff.org

Videos (search google video):
- Crude Impact
- The End of Suburbia
- Oil Smoke and Mirrors

And Finally
- The Truth and Lies of 9/11.
This is an amazing lecture by former LAPD Narcotics detective Mike Ruppert explaining that Peak Oil is the motive for the war in Iraq. Ruppert also predicts future imperial wars with other major oil producers. He sites 9/11 as the catalyst for this type of imperial mobilization. Please watch this if you want to understand deep politics, oil, and current events.

If you want to learn more, buy his book Crossing The Rubicon (or if you can't afford it or can't wait, RIGHT CLICK HERE (http://nw0.info/files/eBooks%20and%20Audio%20Books/Michael%20Ruppert%20-%20Crossing%20the%20Rubicon%20-%20Decline%20of%20the%20American%20Empire%20at%20t he%20end%20of%20the%20Age%20of%20Oil%20(2004).pdf) and "Save As" if you want to download it as PDF). This is possibly the most important book you will ever read.

Sarge
01-14-2008, 05:49 AM
I have not read the new book. I only listed to the video.

What I heard the minister say is, there is a new chapter, written by the then head of the oil company, giving all the data on the Gulf Island oil reserves so there will be no doubt about the 200 year oil reserve in Alaska being covered up.

If that indeed is the case, we are being hood winked.

pikerz
01-14-2008, 06:27 AM
A lot of this stuff is right...

However, the chain of custody in regards to oil profits and the IMF/World Bank is all completely bogus. I suspect this stuff came from the chapter his buddy wrote that originally lost his job and suddenly got it back again.

The world is awash in oil, yet its supposed scarcity is definately used as leverage against other countries.

The Russians have even claimed oil comes from abiotic sources, and that if you drill deep enough, you'll always find oil.

asheville4paul
01-14-2008, 08:43 AM
I'm not sure what to make of this video. One thing he points out that got my mind going is the fact that all currencies are pretty much worthless, oil is the commodity that keeps the world turning. Whichever currency oil producers decide to accept for the oil is vital. Most of us know that we have a deal with the Saudi royal family to protect them, keep them in power in exchange they only sell oil in dollars. He mentions after they find the oil in prudhoe bay that it is immediately classified. I could see the government coming in and saying this new find will be a part of our "strategic reserves". If what he says is true about the oil producers being required to buy our debt with a portion of the proceeds from oil sales, I could see how the government would have little choice but to keep our domestic supplies artificially low. I would love to hear more knowledgeable people's opinion on this subject.

asheville4paul
01-14-2008, 09:03 AM
bump

rp4prez
01-14-2008, 09:47 AM
Hm.. well after I was able to "sleep on it" since I watched the video last night wouldn't it be possible for America to be okay if the dollar crashes and Iran sells oil in Euros that we could just tap the huge supply this guy is talking about and be energy independent?

kimosabi
01-14-2008, 10:05 AM
It's BS.

http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2006/3/1/3402/63420

This site has lot's of people in the industry gears(non owners).

Some reason's why....

There's a very good chance claimed OPEC reserves are exaggerated.
World production stopped increasing in late 2004.
Decline rates of existing production are very high
Hubbert Linearization points to peak oil
At least one major oil company is warning us
The price of oil keeps going up.

THIS is why we are in Iraq to control one of the least exploited massive reserves left.

You should watch these, your opinion may change...

Oil is not a Fossil Fuel ==> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=R7KyFF8ja7Y (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=R7KyFF8ja7Y)
http://trilogynet.net/Thomas_Gold/ (http://trilogynet.net/Thomas_Gold/)

Oil apparently isn't a Fossil Fuel but is made using other processes and they keep finding oil in places that there shouldn't be oil.

Interview of the President of Shell ==> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=RMKgGPclp9E (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=RMKgGPclp9E)

2nd video is an interview with the President Of Shell. He state they are only allowed to explore a small part of the US and states that there's no shortage of oil out there, the biggest problem is government policy...

And to complete the head f^ck watch this video on Water Fuel Cells people are putting in their cars and are getting up 25% increase in fuel economy and better performance and from water ==> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=FYxqvhzVie8, this is only one video, there are many more...

asheville4paul
01-14-2008, 10:31 AM
bump

hazek
01-14-2008, 11:13 AM
It's BS.

http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2006/3/1/3402/63420

This site has lot's of people in the industry gears(non owners).

Some reason's why....

There's a very good chance claimed OPEC reserves are exaggerated.
World production stopped increasing in late 2004.
Decline rates of existing production are very high
Hubbert Linearization points to peak oil
At least one major oil company is warning us
The price of oil keeps going up.

THIS is why we are in Iraq to control one of the least exploited massive reserves left.

Ok. But look at what he actually says. He esentialy says that by the looks of it we are at peak oil or rather Hubbert Linearization points to peak oil.

Now that may very well be true. But what guarentee do we have that the exporting countrires are not forced to to maintain a certeain production level let's say from your governemnt in a let's say "you do this or we bomb you" way?

asheville4paul
01-14-2008, 11:43 AM
bump

hazek
01-14-2008, 12:35 PM
bump

hazek
01-14-2008, 01:38 PM
Watch the god damn movie.

Talcott
01-14-2008, 02:11 PM
I watched the movie it's a crock.

parke
01-14-2008, 02:17 PM
This kept me up until 3am... Good video.

Oliver
01-14-2008, 02:18 PM
Offtopic. It's not even news.

Austrian_guy
01-14-2008, 02:40 PM
still, there's quite a lot worth seeing in this thread by now.

RonPaulCentral
01-14-2008, 02:47 PM
I watched the movie it's a crock.

Actually I did a little research today... It is not a crock.

hazek
01-14-2008, 03:18 PM
Yep, if you do just a little digging you can easly see how this might all fit together. Now I'm not saying it is the truth but damn it sounds much more reasonable than what Bush says about why Iran is a threat.

Talcott
01-14-2008, 03:28 PM
Actually I did a little research today... It is not a crock.

Did you read the article I linked to?

Will you provide a link to prove that is not a crock?

hazek
01-14-2008, 03:42 PM
Did you read the article I linked to?

Will you provide a link to prove that is not a crock?




There's a very good chance claimed OPEC reserves are exaggerated.

Now, could it be that it isn't exaggerated and it's actually surpressed by the powers to be? What if it only seems as if we were at peak oil because someone decided so?

If you watched the video closesly, didn't the minister say that this is exactly what would happen? That the price would rise? How can someone make the price of crude oil rise artificially?


You really belive there's no chance of that? Just be more open instead of stubborn and arrogant. Research all posible angles before you decide which one is the truth..

Again I'm not saying this video is the truth, but it does a hell of a lot better explaining of why Iran could be seen as a threat.. don't you agree?

hvac ak47
01-14-2008, 04:24 PM
?????????

hazek
01-14-2008, 04:35 PM
The Energy Non-Crisis (http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=3340274697167011147&hl=en) Watch it!

RoyalShock
01-14-2008, 04:43 PM
I watched it and I'm not sure what to think. What gives me pause is the whole Ken Frohm (sp?) deal. It seems rather convenient for him to get fired from ARCO, add a chapter to Williams' book, then get rehired, effectively shutting him up.

On the other hand, if it's true, this is a scary deal. I have a 15 year-old son and with our current entanglements, there would no doubt be a draft if we attack Iran (which is inevitable, IMO, if this video is accurate).

AceNZ
01-14-2008, 04:50 PM
I watched the video. It was painful to watch a southern baptist minister, who has combined his style of preaching with that of Paul Harvey, go on for more than hour about the economy and oil.

It's hard to say exactly what's going on. I looked on a map and couldn't find anyplace called Gull Island near Prudhoe Bay. Googling for Gull Island only produced quotes from the guy who gave this talk. I looked at some satellite photos of the area, and didn't see anything that looks like extensive or unusual development. It's hard for me to believe that the world's largest oil field could be kept secret for almost 30 yrs. Maybe not impossible, but very unlikely.

The story about Kissinger doesn't seem right either. Saudi Arabia's oil fields were developed way before Kissinger's time.

I also don't quite buy into his story that just because he was an effective minister, that somehow he was suddenly invited into these meetings with people who "control the world". It's a big jump.

I'm not saying that he didn't experience something strange during his time in Alaska, I'm just not convinced that he is correctly interpreting what he saw. If anything, it seems more likely that he's being used for some sort of disinfo campaign. Or maybe he just wants to sell more books.

I do know that the role of the IMF and the World Bank in global affairs is huge and isn't widely understood. I don't doubt that they play an important role in influencing the price of oil, nor do I doubt his statement that we are financing the National Debt through purchases at the gas pump. What's even less well known is that IMF and the World Bank are closely tied to large US banks, the Federal Reserve and the centers of wealth behind them -- which is where the true seat of power is.

hazek
01-14-2008, 05:12 PM
I wish someone would travel to Alaska :D cause I really want to know whether this is true or not.

webber53
01-14-2008, 05:58 PM
Can someone find any information on the person
Abner Dethrey mentioned by this man in the video?
I tried and only found 2 hits on Google.
Both were related to this video. I find it hard to believe that this man
Abner Dethrey is not very important on Google seeing that this man's
job was to set up Saddam Hussein. The preacher makes some good points
but I truly do not believe this. :(

AceNZ
01-14-2008, 06:20 PM
Can someone find any information on the person
Abner Dethrey mentioned by this man in the video?
I tried and only found 2 hits on Google.
Both were related to this video. I find it hard to believe that this man
Abner Dethrey is not very important on Google seeing that this man's
job was to set up Saddam Hussein. The preacher makes some good points
but I truly do not believe this. :(

I don't know about anyone by that name. However, the overall story of the US apparently "approving" Iraq's invasion of Kuwait is correct. From Wikipedia:


On Wednesday July 25, 1990, the American Ambassador in Iraq, April Glaspie, asked the Iraqi high command to explain the military preparations in progress, including the massing of Iraqi troops near the border. The American ambassador declared to her Iraqi interlocutor that Washington, “inspired by the friendship and not by confrontation, does not have an opinion” on the disagreement which opposes Kuwait to Iraq, stating "we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts". She also let Saddam Hussein know that the U.S. did not intend "to start an economic war against Iraq". These statements may have misled Saddam into believing he had received a diplomatic green light from the United States to invade Kuwait (New York Times, September 23, 1990).

Holly
01-14-2008, 06:26 PM
I've paused the video for a moment because I wanted to first see if there really is such a huge deposit of oil and natural gas in Alaska. It will take me a very long time to watch this if I keep pausing to try and confirm what he's saying!!

Anyway, I found this U.S. Geological Survey:

The U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) recently completed a new assessment of undiscovered oil and gas resources of the central part of the Alaska North Slope and the adjacent offshore area. Using a geology-based assessment methodology, the USGS estimates that there are undiscovered, technically recoverable mean resources of 4.0 billion barrels of oil, 37.5 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, and 478 million barrels of natural gas liquids.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2005/3043/

Holly
01-14-2008, 08:15 PM
I've just watched this to the end. He takes a while to make his point but it's like seeing a major puzzle piece fall into place. If what he's saying is true then much of what is going on makes sense.

And if it's true then it leaves the viewer wondering about the 'price' of all those who have died in Iraq.

Keep bumping this thing.

asheville4paul
01-14-2008, 08:34 PM
bump

asheville4paul
01-14-2008, 09:48 PM
bump

m72mc
01-14-2008, 09:59 PM
REGARDING DECEPTION ON FIRST GULF WAR- fake incubator babies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5NK30djHgA

Paul10
01-14-2008, 10:06 PM
....

american empire
01-14-2008, 10:44 PM
For all who say this is BS and crock.....
read john perkins..."the secret history of the american empire"

watch....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2815881561030958784&q=trials+of+henry+kissinger&total=47&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
I could easily believe this guy doing something like this.....

kyleAF
01-14-2008, 11:06 PM
I'm not sure what to make of this video. One thing he points out that got my mind going is the fact that all currencies are pretty much worthless, oil is the commodity that keeps the world turning. Whichever currency oil producers decide to accept for the oil is vital.

This is something that I recently realized, tell me what you think (I'm a geek, so bear with me):

As a thought experiment: If one imagines the teleportation beam in StarTrek were to be invented, what would it reveal about the world? Imagine how it might work. 1. matter is scanned and "energized". 2. it is transmitted as energy "data". 3. it is reconstituted at another location.

Step 2 is manipulable. It could be reprogrammed, could it not? How about changing it to something else? How about a technological philosopher's stone transmitting and transmuting lead into gold?

This is just a modernized thought experiment to illustrate and support the above point that "money" is not the issue. It's the source of life: energy itself that is important. Now, a solid standard, or asset-based currency is just fine (given that StarTrek doesn't come to pass), in fact it's the one thing that can shore up our currency. But really, it is oil and energy that make our high population numbers possible and life in this world go 'round. Given an oil flood and a corresponding lack of foreign debt-purchasing, a hard currency is the only thing that could help.

It should be obvious that it is only energy that can sustain life, and that economics in the form of monetary exchange is just a means to an end of production of energy and life-sustaining products.

Now watch there be a lot more efforts at "alternative" energy forms like ethanol: useless, but sound good politically. Direct energy is not the only issue anyway, as nearly every product you consume, and every service you purchase is involved with the oil and natural gas industry in the production phases.

This is a very interesting video... he seems to have a decent grasp on the economics in any case. Anecdotes are anecdotes, but he's got a good story.

kyleAF
01-14-2008, 11:21 PM
This is worth watching just for the bit at the 1:11 mark where he talks about the fate of the signers of the Declaration of Independence. It puts it all into perspective.

asheville4paul
01-14-2008, 11:45 PM
bump

hazek
01-15-2008, 04:37 AM
Bump

RonPaulCentral
01-15-2008, 05:15 AM
This is asinine. It's not true.

Prove it.

hazek
01-15-2008, 09:54 AM
bump

kyleAF
01-15-2008, 05:37 PM
This is asinine. It's not true.

Along the same lines as the video...

Iranian Oil Bourse (IOB) and what it may mean for us and Iran.

http://www.energybulletin.net/12125.html

This is from 2006, but Iran just officially began refusing dollars as payment for their oil on 8 December (or thereabouts), while the Straits of Hormuz and USS Hopper incident occurred on 6 January.

The new IOB date is set for early February of this year. This smells real to me. I believe Dr. Paul specifically responded to and addressed this issue, but I'd have to search for the source again...

AceNZ
01-15-2008, 06:32 PM
Along the same lines as the video...

Iranian Oil Bourse (IOB) and what it may mean for us and Iran.

http://www.energybulletin.net/12125.html


Wonderful article!

kyleAF
01-15-2008, 07:12 PM
I'm seriously considering purchasing gold now... the stars are aligning just WRONG for this economy...

Paul10
01-15-2008, 07:23 PM
....

asheville4paul
01-16-2008, 03:16 AM
Paul10 ^^^^^^^^^

If you have to ask that question you must not have watched the video.

asheville4paul
01-16-2008, 09:33 AM
bumpity

asheville4paul
01-16-2008, 09:07 PM
bingo

mokkan88
01-16-2008, 09:29 PM
I'd like to watch it all, but I get annoyed when he breaks into: "I'm just a simple little man..."

parke
01-16-2008, 10:31 PM
bump.

I enjoyed this. Thanks.

Quizno
01-17-2008, 12:26 AM
Oil Bourse:

This was originally scheduled to happen in 2006 but has been pushed back. Now they are saying that it will open in February 2008. Has anyone seen any info on the MSM about this? I wonder if it has anything to do with the recent "event" with the boats?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Oil_Bourse


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=86833

Ex Post Facto
01-17-2008, 12:29 AM
You want solutions to the energy crisis: www.waterpoweredcar.com/stanmeyer.html

asheville4paul
01-17-2008, 12:57 PM
bump

newbitech
01-17-2008, 06:18 PM
Not sure if this has been posted yet. Looks like a new video that needs some Ron Paul love.

A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash

Part 1 of 9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ppCU_vWSSI)
Part 2 of 9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7SCFbFAyTQ)
Part 3 of 9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cvv9ZqFQ24)
Part 4 of 9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-4Z6Vt9yzc)
Part 5 of 9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BbPjtdtMtI)
Part 6 of 9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnjdW_0XOMc)
Part 7 of 9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOwEY4OknpQ)
Part 8 of 9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzebyKaxGxk)
Part 9 of 9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVzxYMaUd8Q)

Stoli
01-17-2008, 07:13 PM
bump

Rhys
01-18-2008, 01:52 AM
I searched for the guy he said was killed in Korean flight 007. He was an Alaskan congressman. One of his quotes on Wikipedia was an attack on the Rockefellers.

I just heard on NPR today that a kid made an electric car in his parents garage to show how easy it is.

On the other hand, I sorta think 'they' want the dollar to tank so 'they' can buy us.

The more I think about it, the more I think about China buying up gold for a rumored currency switch. They're militarizing and they want Taiwan. If they flip a switch and dump the dollars timed with Iran turning on the pump, we could be looking at revolt in America.

hazek
01-18-2008, 04:19 AM
I searched for the guy he said was killed in Korean flight 007. He was an Alaskan congressman. One of his quotes on Wikipedia was an attack on the Rockefellers.

I just heard on NPR today that a kid made an electric car in his parents garage to show how easy it is.

On the other hand, I sorta think 'they' want the dollar to tank so 'they' can buy us.

The more I think about it, the more I think about China buying up gold for a rumored currency switch. They're militarizing and they want Taiwan. If they flip a switch and dump the dollars timed with Iran turning on the pump, we could be looking at revolt in America.

LOL can you beleive those conspiracy theory nuts?

/sarcasm off

Vote1RonPaul.com/blog
02-16-2008, 11:18 PM
quote:
What is the date"
I believe that the date Iran is due to switch on the cheap oil may be March 22nd.

quote:
I searched in maps and can't find Gull Island.
Use Google Earth and search for Prudhoe Bay #14, Prudhoe Bay, Alaska
Then zoom in so you can see the refinery buildings... now scroll North a little. It's all fuzzy, but the Google marker for Gull Island is there about 3 miles or so from the refinery near Deadhorse. It must be a small island I think.

newbitech
02-25-2008, 07:07 PM
deserves a bump given the cut cables and the official opening of the bourse

thechitowncubs
02-25-2008, 07:18 PM
Bump from a fellow economic slave.